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Blackno3
2004.08.05, 03:51 PM
A new Stock Car class will be starting this fall at CP Mini RC Raceway.
This class will be for are new Kyosho F1 Stock Car conversion kit cars.
The series will be called the CP Cup and the cars are known as CP Cup cars.
We are building a new 12 by 32 foot oval track with 4 foot wide lanes just for this class.

We will still be running mini-z stock and mod and maybe F1ís if there are members that still have some that have not bin converted to CP Cup cars. The mini-z classes will still be run like the mini-z cup 7 minute heats and mains on are supper road course with the new RCP surface.

The CP Cup cars are going run completely different. First we are going to race for laps not time. The heats will be heat races lasting something like 50 to 75 laps. The mains will be called features and will last something like 75 or 100 laps.

This class is going to be run American style, go fast turn left on are new 12 by 32 foot oval track with 4 foot wide lanes and a new RCP surface. The track is going to have a gray 8 inch low traction apron around the inside.

The apron is a portion of a race track which separates the racing
surface from the infield wall.

The 4 foot wide lanes will allow the CP Cup cars to run 3 and maybe 4 wide in the corners. The 8 inch apron will allow some one to try to pass on the inside in the corners but there will be less traction there. This should make for some very fun and challenging racing.

The CP Cup car kit basically turns the Kyosho mini-z F1 in to a bumper car underneath the Stock Car body. The carbon fiber sub chassis has lightweight foam rubber bumpers on three sides.

We raced F1ís all last winter and found that the F1ís handle better than the mini-zís and they are much better when two cars get together, meaning the two cars donít just crash. The CP Cup car kit allows the cars to bump draft and rub on each other with out wrecking so you can mussel your way around another Cup car.

The kit includes a Stock Car body, a set of paint masks, a carbon fiber sub chassis with lightweight foam rubber bumpers and a mounting setup. The kit also includes a free set of carbon fiber Rear Flex Plates.
The complete kit with a body is $44.99 and extra bodies are $13.99.
If you interested in one call Cp Mini RC Raceway at 518-371-4887 or check out are
web site.

Iím attaching some more picís of the CP Cup car kit, check them out.

RCPMini-z
2004.08.05, 04:35 PM
Blackno3,

This new stock car class looks exciting. It would be nice to see the cars run on both the oval and road course. I have been working on RCP large radius inside corner and angled tiles/rails for next production, but I think it might be a good idea to include some large radius Nascar oval type outside tiles/rails for our new tracks, if this class draws a lot of attention.

The RCP grip on the track is great at CPís so I believe bank turns are not going to be incorporated, but may be added later. Inlaying a different traction tile for the apron sounds great and I look forward to seeing how this all plays out. Inlaying an additional traction tile for the outside portion of the track may also create a different groove or simulate the loose tire gravel area seen near the outside corner wall of most Nascar tracks.

TNB
2004.08.05, 04:42 PM
I wonder about running on a banked oval since the 1/4 scales have different tire diameters and suspension set ups because of the banked oval. I'd guess if foams were used, one "side" could be cut a little more than the other side. The springs would help solve the suspension differences easily enough. After this, business may boom for Hudy and Ofna because of tire truers and all the Mini-Zers racing down to purchase a machine. :D It may convert a few slot car racers too since some are already into NASCAR, rebuild motors, and already own tire truers.

arch2b
2004.08.05, 04:45 PM
i will be following this with great interest as there are a few interested in this idea in my area and we are looking to begina a racing season. would you mind if we pretty much copied your stock car class format? we plan to purchase some of these kits and i have a large oval (more like a big box)track

Blackno3
2004.08.05, 08:48 PM
Arch2b No I would not mind at all if you use some form of are stock car class format.

Any new format will require some tweaking so are members and I will try to keep everyone up to date on what we are doing when we start racing this new format next month.

You know some of them like Paulangelo, TJFBryant and mini-z racing.

techno
2004.08.06, 12:23 PM
this sounds like a great idea for me too i still want to get a track im my area off the ground looks like a very durable idea for newbs to run mini-zs and we can suck in all the nascar fans in to the mini-z arena

byebye
2004.08.06, 03:47 PM
I am tempted to buy an f1 and covert it now. That looks pretty cool.

Bad Company
2004.08.06, 08:08 PM
I am tempted to buy an f1 and covert it now. That looks pretty cool.
This sent me over the edge to order an F1 finally last night. ;) Probably not what Kyosho intended for it, but hey, they still make their money. ;)

TNB
2004.08.07, 03:26 AM
My NASCAR F1 is up and running. Photos in Gallery TNB, Album F1s & F1 Art, sub-Album F1 Converted... I also made a small lexan cover for the underside and painted the windows black since most Mini-Zs have black windows. :D

Here is one photo.

http://mini-zracer.com/albums/album452/F1nascar11.jpg

Bad Company
2004.08.07, 06:31 AM
Well, how does it handle? Looks like you need a partner to put some doughnuts on the side of that thing....it looks too pretty.

arch2b
2004.08.07, 09:53 AM
My NASCAR F1 is up and running. Photos in Gallery TNB, Album F1s & F1 Art, sub-Album F1 Converted... I also made a small lexan cover for the underside and painted the windows black since most Mini-Zs have black windows. :D

Here is one photo.

http://mini-zracer.com/albums/album452/F1nascar11.jpg
did you get your body prefinished

TNB
2004.08.07, 12:13 PM
did you get your body prefinished
No, the kit looked like this when it arrived.

http://mini-zracer.com/albums/album452/F1nascar1.jpg

TNB
2004.08.07, 12:18 PM
Well, how does it handle? Looks like you need a partner to put some doughnuts on the side of that thing....it looks too pretty.
Thanks. I'll be trying it out later today, since last night I also broke in a new X-speed, changed the toe-in, added a motor heat sink, and added a roll shock from all the extra option parts I had in my box. Hopefully, it won't come back looking like my 1/4 scale since it does have those doughnuts. But first, I have to work on one of the Overlands. ;) Besides, the LHS isn't open yet and hopefully, there will be a few more locals late this afternoon.

RCPMini-z
2004.08.07, 01:41 PM
Your converted F1 looks great, TNB. Looking forward to painting some different bodies myself.

This new Nascar conversion has really got me excited about manufacturing a new Nascar large radius turn for our RCP wide lane and mini tracks. We are working on a 40 inch radius for the standard width tracks and a 60 inch radius for the standard width plus (1) expansion tile tracks. The mini tracks would have a 24 inch radius for the standard mini width and a 36 inch radius for the 3 tile mini width.

CP's is currently working on a 48 inch radius for their RCP nascar track, which should work just fine.

The cutting tools for the large radius rails and tiles, won't take long to make and we should have some product scheduled for manufacturing by the end of August. You will be able to interconnect all the large radius turns straight to your existing tracks, without any modifications. You will be able to create large Ovals or add the big turns to your existiing road track.

arch2b
2004.08.07, 02:13 PM
No, the kit looked like this when it arrived.

http://mini-zracer.com/albums/album452/F1nascar1.jpg
since i'm not a nascar fan, i tried to find a palce to look for all the available decals sets to choose soemthing that appeals to me but i wasn't able to find them on slixx's site http://www.slixx.com , any idea where i can look?

Bad Company
2004.08.07, 03:35 PM
I picked up my green paint today, but mine is gonna take a liitle work to come out right. The #18 scheme is pretty graphic intensive on the sides, and with the decals being a slightly smaller scale, I will have to compensate for the rest with paint or my own vinyl.

StandonIt
2004.08.07, 03:37 PM
Great! Some one made an conversion for the F1! We have been trying different models out to get to fit, but either too long or too short a wheelbase.

So who makes the conversion, is it just the guys at CRP or does MiniZ sell them?

We have been racing oval at our lhs Franks in Oldsmar Fla. for almost a year now. We started with an flat oval, then banked it. we have oval racing every Wed nite.
We end up with at least 2 7 or 8 car mains for Sportsman, and at least two for the prostock class. We also have 1 heat of Mod oval, were we just use the X speed for the mod to keep the expense down. Last Wed we had 46 racers.

We have also ran the F 1s on the oval and they have done well, but you need a reall bumper on car to save the wheels.

Oh and some of our times have been on the 12 ft wide by 30 foot oval have been in the 4.o sec range with some dipping into the 3.8 and 3.9s! Oh and with out Fets or Turbos, with stock motors too!
Here is a pic of one of our Stock Car bodies.

Blackno3
2004.08.07, 03:53 PM
Here are so pic's of one are customerís #9 car.

StandonIt
2004.08.07, 04:03 PM
So Blackno3, I take it you are the one to create this kit? if so it looks killer. What type of bodies are there, just chevy, or do you have ford and dodge bodies too?

What type of surface do you guys race on up there? Here in Fla the track is plywood with gray paint with silica sand mixed in real good to make some excellant traction.

do the kits come with out the decals?

TNB
2004.08.07, 04:36 PM
Your converted F1 looks great, TNB. Looking forward to painting some different bodies myself.
Thanks for the compliment and for everything else. I look forward to the newer track alternatives. I managed to borrow the 1/4 scale from Bennie who had a fit until I put the car away--he really does think that it is his car or maybe it is and I just think that it is mine--so that I could take the following photo. The third #3 is on an MR-02mm chassis that I did a while back. It is very easy to see the size difference. There are also two more photos of all three #3s in the same album mentioned earlier in Gallery TNB.

http://mini-zracer.com/albums/album452/NascarNo3_3.jpg

arch2b,
I posted a couple of links to a couple of "local" slot car tracks that sell various stickers for lexan bodies though you may want to ask Eric at CP first. The BSA Pine Wood Derby decals may also work since I know they stick to Mini-Z bodies, just unsure about the lexan. As an alternative, you can always print your own and glue them to the underside of the lexan body. XXX Main produces "Lexan Picture Glue" for magazine pictures, but Elmer's white glue should also work.

standonit,
The decals were priced separately from the CP F1 conversion kit.

Bad Company
2004.08.07, 05:15 PM
Hmm, that is a bit bigger. Doesn't look like I will be running that on the Mini96. I will probably have to run mine on the tennis courts up the street.

Blackno3
2004.08.07, 05:35 PM
Standoni, Itís a generic lexan Stock Car body for the Kyosho F1 Mini-z.
When you put the stickers on it becomes the car make that the stickers say.
There called CP cup cars. They are not chevy, ford or dodge.

We use a RCP Track surface and itís way better then plywood with gray paint with silica sand mixed in. We used the plywood and paint with sand for two years. Looking back that surface really sucked. We considered it to be good at the time before we got the RCP surface.

TNB nice job on your CP cup car. We leave the windows clear on are cars because we are getting a lap-z lap counter.

StandonIt
2004.08.07, 08:24 PM
Ok so now the only people that sell these kits are the gang at CP raceway right?

Are you guys using foam or the kyosho slicks for tires?

arch2b
2004.08.07, 08:36 PM
it's been my experience that the ribbed f1 tires work best on the rcp track. foams would be overkill in terms of traction

TNB
2004.08.08, 01:35 AM
TNB nice job on your CP cup car. We leave the windows clear on are cars because we are getting a lap-z lap counter.
Thanks. The local tracks, including Danseys uses Amb-it, so I never considered any other timing and scoring system. I just figured this "ain't" ROAR so who cares if I paint the windows like most other Mini-Zs (and my own car with limo tint). I actually thought the body looked sharp completely black like the MR-02mm Diablo.

So does paint hinder the Lap-Z system? How does it work with 1/8th scale buggies? I know my Mugen mbx5 comes stock with a transponder mount that is no where near the windows since the transponder mounts on the flat portion off to the side.

TNB
2004.08.08, 02:07 AM
Hmm, that is a bit bigger. Doesn't look like I will be running that on the Mini96. I will probably have to run mine on the tennis courts up the street.
I figure that to run the F1 conversion on the standard Mini-Tile, it will probably need the -0.6 tie rod. I ran it tonight with the -0.2 tie rod on the 4L since I didn't have a -0.4 tie rod in stock. I did purchase another set of tie rods at the LHS tonight, but I didn't take the time to install a -0.4 tie rod when I ran it or rather chose not to install it yet.

http://www.kyosho.com/cars/kyoc8202a-2.jpg

arch2b
2004.08.08, 09:34 AM
Thanks. The local tracks, including Danseys uses Amb-it, so I never considered any other timing and scoring system. I just figured this "ain't" ROAR so who cares if I paint the windows like most other Mini-Zs (and my own car with limo tint). I actually thought the body looked sharp completely black like the MR-02mm Diablo.

So does paint hinder the Lap-Z system? How does it work with 1/8th scale buggies? I know my Mugen mbx5 comes stock with a transponder mount that is no where near the windows since the transponder mounts on the flat portion off to the side.
the lapz transponder uses light to communicate with the bridge over the starting line. if the windows are opaque, it won't work ;)

TNB
2004.08.08, 02:15 PM
But doesn't NASCAR use AMB Timing and Scoring Systems? ;) I guess if I ever "race" it and am around Lap-Z, I'll just toss another body on it. I'd probably want that one to be different anyway since there would probably be too many #3's. Perhaps, a NASCAR body like Fraz's F1--Pink with flames. Are you out there Fraz? ;) I saw your name a few times recently. Rialto or Vegas bound?

Blackno3
2004.08.08, 05:00 PM
TNB
CP raceway is going to be using the Lap-Z for are races and for are mini-z cup race on March 20th 2005. You only need a clear windshield if you are planning to come to New York and race with us.

And you still have a free month of practice and a membership waiting for you if you ever move here because you got that monster from us.

TNB
2004.08.08, 05:17 PM
Considering its been years since I've been around Albany, I doubt if I'll be in Clifton Park any time soon. However, if I am, I'll probably purchase another conversion body and some paint from you so I can slap a quick coat of paint over the "window masks" and body in order to take advantage of that practice time before a race. ;)

Blackno3
2004.08.09, 05:51 PM
We are 15 minutes north of Albany a lot of are racers are form Albany.
Anyways your always welcome to come and race here.

TNB
2004.08.09, 06:34 PM
Thanks. I appreciate the invitation and if I ever am in the Albany area again, I'll make sure I can spend some time your way. ;)

mini-z
2004.08.09, 08:15 PM
Guys, can you email us about stocking this at the Shop here? Thanks! :)

StandonIt
2004.08.09, 09:28 PM
You know this may the start of converting F1s to Sports Car,Can Am, Gtp type of cars theay we all have been searching for. So Mini Z maybe you could broker a deal and do both Nascar and Gtp or something like that. I think the racers would like that

Bad Company
2004.08.09, 10:38 PM
Just thought I throw a pic of mine in here too. ;) :D

http://mini-zracer.com/albums/album462/Picture_108.jpg

TNB
2004.08.09, 11:49 PM
That "alien" green looks pretty good. I'll have to remember that if I do an "Area 51" body. :D

PAULANGELO
2004.08.15, 10:34 AM
WOW, Eric, sorry I haven't been around to check things out this summer. When I com in, I'll take a few hrs catching up with you. Now I really have to come in for my car. I will need 2 bodies. adn one conversion ket. put them to the side for me! I was glad you called me and let me know about this. Looks like I need to get my but in gear so I can be ready when the league starts. Like what I see out here with what the members are doing. can't wait to show mine also!!

arch2b
2004.08.15, 08:37 PM
WOW, Eric, sorry I haven't been around to check things out this summer. When I com in, I'll take a few hrs catching up with you. Now I really have to come in for my car. I will need 2 bodies. adn one conversion ket. put them to the side for me! I was glad you called me and let me know about this. Looks like I need to get my but in gear so I can be ready when the league starts. Like what I see out here with what the members are doing. can't wait to show mine also!!
i was starting to wonder why we haven't seen one from you.... ;)

KirkLong
2004.08.18, 07:04 PM
We got this car and tested it. Now we have 6 of them in shop!

The cars are very durable. We hit bump and grind just like real Nascar racing!


:D

Blackno3
2004.08.18, 07:53 PM
Check out this #60 car one of are racers did. I think its one of the best paint and decal jobs yet.

http://www.cpminiraceway.com/gallery2/60car.JPG

Blackno3
2004.08.24, 06:07 PM
Here is photo of a die cast and cp cup car side by side. And the kits are now on are web site.

http://www.cpminiraceway.com/gallery2/diecast%20and%20cp%20cup%20car%20side%20by%20side. JPG

arch2b
2004.08.27, 01:08 PM
:D i just ordered myself a kit :D look'in forward to some bumping at the next gtg with bad company ;)

Twenty-Se7en
2004.08.27, 01:11 PM
can't wait to see what you do with it Arch... :)

arch2b
2004.08.27, 01:31 PM
my paint skills are well, lacking :p so please dont expect bad company type results or like the other's posted here. i'll try my best though ;)

TNB
2004.08.27, 02:22 PM
There is nothing to it especially if you go with a single color and use the canned paint. It only gets crazy if you start using glitters and some of the other airbrush paints. Even the glitter is not bad at 70lbs of air pressure. :D

arch2b
2004.08.27, 02:33 PM
i happen to have some cans of paint for plastics but not specifically lexan... would that work ok?

StandonIt
2004.08.27, 03:10 PM
I trick I picked up years ago with lexan bodies is that i mask the windows off, then I lightly scuff the body, minus the window areas then shoot the body with clear Krylon paint, let drt then shoot what ever type of paint you want on it. the Krylon bonds to the body then the paint you shoot bonds to the Krylon paint. It helps to stop the flaking of the paint off the body. For an example I just sold a TC3 to a friend, and thru in some old (7) year boides I had for him to practice with, even after he has thrased the bodies the majority of the paint is still on it. Even after 25 mph plus crashes. Oh the paint is starting to come off now LOL but hey it works!

But Arch they are right stick to one maybe 2 colors, it is reall simple, and dont forget - - you paint them INSIDE !!! :)

PAULANGELO
2004.08.28, 08:59 AM
i was starting to wonder why we haven't seen one from you.... ;)
I have one and am currently working on it!. Actually, you know me. I got one kit and 2 bodies. gotta have 2 different looking cars!

PAULANGELO
2004.08.28, 09:05 AM
:D i just ordered myself a kit :D look'in forward to some bumping at the next gtg with bad company ;)
You have GOT to post the body once it's done!. What car are you going to make? Custom or a NASCAR replica?

arch2b
2004.08.28, 09:48 AM
i am making an alternate #3 car. it's not black.... it's also a replica but i don't know how popular the car was as i don't knwo a thing about nascar. i just wanted something easy to see and differernt

Bad Company
2004.08.28, 10:51 AM
i am making an alternate #3 car. it's not black.... it's also a replica but i don't know how popular the car was as i don't knwo a thing about nascar. i just wanted something easy to see and differernt
Let's just say it was one of the most popular schemes. ;)

arch2b
2004.09.01, 01:14 PM
see me (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14963) :D :cool:

Twenty-Se7en
2004.09.01, 01:38 PM
see me (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14963) :D :cool:

just cause you can :p
jk, good idea

arch2b
2004.10.26, 01:05 PM
Blackno3,
i noticed your auction ;) Item number: 5929663139

i'm curious to see what a pre-assembled kit goes for. f1's are only going to get more expensive with the newer models

Blackno3
2004.10.27, 11:03 AM
Arch2b I put one there to see what I can get for a pre-assembled kit. We donít sell them pre-assembled at are shop but if a new customer needs help were always here for them. It may be the only one I ever put to auction depending on the price I get. It takes me well over an hour to do one.

arch2b
2004.10.27, 02:22 PM
i think it was a very fair price. especially for a prefinished rtr kit... is it unpainted with the decals or painted and decaled?

Blackno3
2004.10.27, 04:55 PM
Itís ready to go painted and decaled.

arch2b
2004.10.27, 05:41 PM
WOW, fully finished... that's a great price, a real steal if the bidding doesn't go higher

Twenty-Se7en
2004.10.27, 09:23 PM
i'm going to check that out... I want to do my own of course, but it never hurts to see what other people have done :D