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Lionblade
2005.07.07, 08:26 PM
Now that my LHS's track is RCP, I think I'll need a new motor.

There's only 2 of us left running stock motors, and it's obviously not fast enough. (Though if I may say, I STILL won my main last week. :D )

A friend of mine is going to help me experiment with a few different motors (Speedy and X Speed, I think), but I wanted to get a second opinion anyway.

What kind of motors do you RCP guys use? Conventional motors, I mean. I'm not looking to do 35 MPH in my Z, I can't control that. :p

williams F1#3
2005.07.07, 08:32 PM
conventional means stock class or modified?

Lionblade
2005.07.07, 10:36 PM
What I mean by "conventional" is just somethign other than a supermotor, e.g. like some of the motors mentioned that are incredibly fast. I think one of them was named WhoaNelly? Not sure.


I just need something with a good bit more punch than the stock motor, probably.

bda52
2005.07.07, 10:44 PM
What I mean by "conventional" is just somethign other than a supermotor, e.g. like some of the motors mentioned that are incredibly fast. I think one of them was named WhoaNelly? Not sure.


I just need something with a good bit more punch than the stock motor, probably.

I think you mean one that does not need a FET upgrade.

I like the X-Speed and 3racing motors. I have not tried any of the PN motors that do not require FET upgrade as of yet.

wkn
2005.07.07, 10:49 PM
i have try all different stock fet motors and i can say that the pn speedymn is the best i have used.

http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_37&products_id=356

another good motor is the speedy05

http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_37&products_id=348

if you us one of these motors put a high gear like a 9tooth.most people at my track with a speedymn is keep up with fet motors :eek:

another stock fet motor i am going to try later this mouth is the atomic stock

http://www.******.com/catalog/product_info.php?
cPath=144_21_80&products_id=8318

put r cmart in

now there is nothing wrong with the x-speed but these two motors are just faster.

ruf
2005.07.07, 11:29 PM
We also stock these PN motors. The new Atomic stock motors should be in our store in the next week or so. We might end up making it our "crate motor".

Thanks for the support Kyle! :rolleyes:

wkn
2005.07.08, 02:29 AM
sorry i came on forgetting about your store :D

ruf
2005.07.08, 01:35 PM
That's ok. I'l keep forgetting about your parts! :D

wkn
2005.07.08, 02:17 PM
fine

you can get the speedymn at the best store in the world for mini zs

http://www.reflexracing.net/proddetail.asp?prod=10NM47

also you can get a nother good motor at the best store in the world for mini zs it the speedy05

http://www.reflexracing.net/proddetail.asp?prod=100452

you also want to get some of this motor hooch make your motor alot faster

http://www.reflexracing.net/proddetail.asp?prod=rx002

you can get all of these fine products at the best store in the world for minizs

is this good enouth for you joe :D

ruf
2005.07.08, 02:20 PM
Yah. But I'm still forgetting all your crap. Bring your car to the track this weekend if you want it fetted. I don't want to drive all over town picking up stuff. Or you can just mail it to me the standard way.

wkn
2005.07.08, 02:32 PM
Yah. But I'm still forgetting all your crap. Bring your car to the track this weekend if you want it fetted. I don't want to drive all over town picking up stuff. Or you can just mail it to me the standard way.

ok i will be at the track this weekend see you there.

minizworkshop
2005.07.08, 11:32 PM
If you wanna get a tailor made motor to fit your needs, including your driving style and tracks feature, I think I can help you.

admin@minizworkshop.com

EMU
2005.08.22, 02:41 PM
LionBlade, let me know if you want to test out some of my motors on the track. I have been using the Speedy NM for a while in my Enzo, after the PN race I switched to the Atomic Stock BB. I have a few PN Speedy BB's and Speedy 05's.

MiniZWorkshop makes very nice motors as well ;) If you want to use a motor that nobody else races with at the track, he would be the one to speak to. In general, a pattern wound motor will be more efficient and have slightly more power than a machine wound motor.

bolter9
2005.08.22, 02:59 PM
I run xspeeds and a PN speedy (bb)- the PN feels more punchy and seems to have a higher top speed. Being able to get "perfect" gear mesh with the PN motor mount may be helping here too (thanks to superpeltor who sold me a perfect car!).

I think the average Xspeed tested on our dyno was about 22-24 km/h- the PN speedy was closer to 27 km/h. Stock motors were around 15-18 km/h. (those numbers are approximate- testing was not controlled by battery type/charge or motor cleaning.)

EMU
2005.08.22, 03:38 PM
Speed checker depends mainly on gear ratio. Was the X-Speed tested at the same ratio as the Speedy BB? My X-Speed that I used to run was very punchy, but did not have as much high end as the Speedy BB, which is why I compare it closely to the Speedy 05. One major drawback of the X-Speed is the lack of a BB can. Which is why it is not worth changing the can, because for less money, you can get a PN Speedy 05 BB, Speedy NM, or Atomic Stock BB.

With the Speedy NM and 8t I get about 29-31kph, Speedy 05 got about 27-29kph, Speedy BB got about 31-33kph. Every motor even in the same production line will perform different. Break in counts a bit, make sure that the brushes sit on the comm well.

bolter9
2005.08.22, 04:17 PM
Speed checker depends mainly on gear ratio. Was the X-Speed tested at the same ratio as the Speedy BB? My X-Speed that I used to run was very punchy, but did not have as much high end as the Speedy BB, which is why I compare it closely to the Speedy 05. One major drawback of the X-Speed is the lack of a BB can. Which is why it is not worth changing the can, because for less money, you can get a PN Speedy 05 BB, Speedy NM, or Atomic Stock BB.

With the Speedy NM and 8t I get about 29-31kph, Speedy 05 got about 27-29kph, Speedy BB got about 31-33kph. Every motor even in the same production line will perform different. Break in counts a bit, make sure that the brushes sit on the comm well.

No, we didn't standardize the pinion either- this was just a real informal check on the speed checker, rather then a controlled comparison. I don't think anyone was running more then a 7 tooth though.

Lionblade
2005.08.22, 04:40 PM
Speed checker depends mainly on gear ratio. Was the X-Speed tested at the same ratio as the Speedy BB? My X-Speed that I used to run was very punchy, but did not have as much high end as the Speedy BB, which is why I compare it closely to the Speedy 05. One major drawback of the X-Speed is the lack of a BB can. Which is why it is not worth changing the can, because for less money, you can get a PN Speedy 05 BB, Speedy NM, or Atomic Stock BB.

With the Speedy NM and 8t I get about 29-31kph, Speedy 05 got about 27-29kph, Speedy BB got about 31-33kph. Every motor even in the same production line will perform different. Break in counts a bit, make sure that the brushes sit on the comm well.

Actually, I didn't break in the handout motor at all on Saturday...just ran a lot of practice, heh. Dunno, mine seemed fast from the start. It was hard to drive with 100% throttle, it was flying and sliding all over the place. Blast to drive though. Johnathon broke his in, but the one he got seemed really slow...he only did about 17kph on the Tamiya, even with my IC3's and his 7t(even though I told him to move to 8t, because he likes to try and power past me out of turns...not gonna happen while he's running a 7 and I'm on a 9..even with 65% throttle. :rolleyes: )

He was having real problems with his diff, too. I felt bad for him, 'cause Joe and Al kept switching the setup back and forth for a little while. They were areguing on whether or not it was too loose. Obviously it was, you could hear his car over a 747. :p I think you played around with it for a little bit, too, and Johnathan seemed to like it. Though, he told me after our main that Joe had changed it right before the main, which screwed him up. :(

I have the Speedy BB that Mag gave me, but I'm not sure I'm gonna swap it for the 05, I like it so far. I didn't even realize it was a BB until Mag took it out again to put the handout in..I thought it was an 05 for a while. :D

When Mag replaced the FET last week, I think he went a little nuts. He replaced almost all the the rusty screws on my chassis(which I couldn't get out...otherwise I woulda did it myself), used one of your plastic motor mounts to replaced mine, which was held with the Loctite I wound up giving to Mag anyway. He also fixed the positioning of the rear dampner...which I didn't know was wrong. At the time it was put in, Bobby had helped me.. :rolleyes: I don't think $35 was a bad deal for all that. :D Thr FET alone would normally be twice that, and then Al would've had to replaced it..no doubt he'd charge for it, not that I'd blame him.

There's plenty of option with my car. I don't even have an alloy motor pod, even though some people list that as a priority upgrade. :rolleyes:
I would get one at the LHS, but Al wants about $40 for it...but he also wants $50 for an ASC, which is why I got my SLR at the shop here. (Great service, by the way! Mini-Z even put a "thank you" on the shipping box. :D )

Also, is you see him, can you ask Mag to bring my aluminum spacers? He swapped them for plastics because he thought they broke the motor pod..which isn't true, it had been broken since a week after I bought the car. :rolleyes:

EMU
2005.08.22, 04:53 PM
Ill speak to Mag about the spacers. If you want to use one of my PN Motor mounts for a little while, let me know. I have more mounts coming in on an order than I have cars right now. I can get a similar mount to the PN MM for $20. I want to pick one up to compare to the PN, then if you want it, you can have it.

The main thing you need right now is a rear roll damper. I would go with the PN disc damper that I have on my modena since it can be used on an 94mm or 98mm MM setup. I think Al has them for around $27 (at Kenon, they are about $24).

Magic does good work. If there is anything slightly wrong with a car he is repairing, he will fix it. I would have done the same.

Speedy BB is Magics favorite motor. PN just released the Speedy 05 BB :rolleyes: wish they released it before I bought the Speedy 05. I mainly bought the 05 because I knew that was what we were going to be racing in the PN race... So Magic had some practice time with that motor for the last 2 weeks.