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DogbreathRacing
2005.10.18, 07:48 AM
I did post this under the 4X4 thread but after suggestion have decieded to start a new thread on this.
There has been lots of talk lately about Kyosho's new 4X4 car coming out and everyone is wanting a 4X4 truck also though none have been found that really fit the bill till now. Fast Lane R/C (distributed through Toys-R-Us) has released the new Super Slick MT in 1/24th scale. Some call it a toy R/C...and it is, but it is also a fully functional 4X4 with diffs and after just a little work and an open heart transplant (junk the stock PCB and replace it with a Kyosho or Iwaver board) it can be a fully proportional 4X4 Monster Truck....read on for more info.

OK guys here's the skinny on the SSMT

#1 No the SSMT is not full propo, it's one step right or left and one step forward, brake and reverse, but it does ok in stock form......Yes it can be made proportional with a Kyosho or Iwaver board. This also includes a potentiometer transplant which is slightly tricky but totally within our abilities.

#2 While it does not have the articulation of the MZM it is still quite good, the upper and lower links you see that look stationary are not, they are mounted on a pivot that the internal drive shaft passes through....quite clever actually. And in reality the articulation of the front and read cases is limited only by the shocks, unlike the MZM/IW04 which are limited by the upper links, so this truck really has some promise for a big articulation crawling monster.

#3 It is a single motor truck and the stock motor is larger than the 130's we use in mini z's, but the MZM or IW04 boards will handle them and they have tons of torque compared to the smaller motors. (I did install an X-Speed just to see and while it was fast, it lacked enough torque and got very hot so went back to the stock motor it came with)

#4 Even after modding it to full propo be careful, the truck is cheaper toy grade plastic and duribility will be an issue. I can't see trying to hop this up into some speed demon, it will just end up broke...but if you want a low speed, high torque 4X4 crawler then this has lots of potential.

#5 There is no servo saver....not yet anyway, I'm still working on that. Not sure yet if we can transplant the whole gear cluster with servo saver. Right now I am using the stock servo gears with a transplanted pot.

#6 The SSMT does have open diffs (meaning it act like the old limited slip diffs, jam one tire and all the power goes to the other side) so these will have to be locked up for any serious crawling...still working on that too.

#7 there are no bearings, nor do I believe any could actually be made to work in this truck, however it does ride on a set of very smooth and slick nylon bushings that should work well for a long time if lubed up good.

All in all for $20 you can't go wrong. It took me about three hours to dissassemble and install a IW board in it and figure out the potentiometer in the front servo case.

The MINI Z MONSTER GARAGE will be doing a four link suspension system on this truck in the near future as well as figuring out the servo saver problem. The little truck has lots of promise.

Here is a pic of the IW board mounted with sticky foam to the inside of the top cover, the original board sat on top of the chassis with a small secondary board with the FETs sitting down inside the chassis
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1557/dcao63821fn.jpg

Here you can see the articulation without shocks attached
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1114/dcao63830oe.jpg

here the SSMT chassis (foreground) and the MZM chassis (background) show similarities...the SSMT is just a tad (1/4 inch) longer than the MZM, it is also a tad (1/4 inch) wider.
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9788/dcao63872zp.jpg

pHREDD
2005.10.18, 11:50 AM
That is super cool DBR. I gotta make me one of those. I thought I had seen those tires some where before

byebye
2005.10.18, 01:51 PM
That looks like it's going to be a fantstic project. Keep us posted on your progress.:)

Is it possible to criss cross the suspension to gain full articulation?

-Byebye

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.18, 08:21 PM
One other measurement that needs to be addressed, the SSMT, while wider and longer than the MZM, is also lower by about 1/4 inch (lower meaning the clearance under the chassis) But I think the 4X4 feature makes up for this.
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2901/dcao63903pl.jpg

Ronin
2005.10.20, 06:03 PM
One other measurement that needs to be addressed, the SSMT, while wider and longer than the MZM, is also lower by about 1/4 inch (lower meaning the clearance under the chassis) But I think the 4X4 feature makes up for this.
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2901/dcao63903pl.jpg

are you going to be doing a full article on how to install a kyosho or iwaver pcb into the ssmt?

what's the runtime like all stock? how about with kyosho/iwaver guts?

mzm wheel and tire mounting capabilities?

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.20, 08:26 PM
Is it possible to criss cross the suspension to gain full articulation?
hhhhmmmmm...don't know about that, really haven't really played with the suspension yet...it does have alot of possibilities

are you going to be doing a full article on how to install a kyosho or iwaver pcb into the ssmt?
probably not at this point, changing the PCB is pretty easy, rip out the old, slap in the new, the real tricky part is the steering, and I am still working on a better way to do that....but will keep everyone informed

what's the runtime like all stock? how about with kyosho/iwaver guts?
don't know about stock, only ran it about five minutes stock then ripped into it...
since it runs AA's instead of AAA's the run time should be at least double but there again, I haven't run a full pack yet (AAA=850Mah=40/60 min / AA=2200Mah=120 min+)

mzm wheel and tire mounting capabilities?
Don't see anyway to mount MZM wheels on the SSMT, but with some work the SSMT wheels will fit on the SSMT

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.21, 07:03 AM
one more little bit of info.

In stock form the SSMT has a total of 1 3/4 inch articulation
In stock form the MZM has a total of 2 1/4 inch articulation

measured from outside edges of the tires with three tires touching the ground

I believe the difference come from the shock mounting positions, the MZM shocks are mounted 1.2 iches apart front and 1.45 inches aprt rear, while the SSMT shocks are mounted 1.55 inches apart front and 1.75 inches rear

measured center ball to center ball at the bottom mount

the wider the shocks are mounted the less articulation travel there is

the SSMT shocks also have approx. 1/8 inch lees travel

all of this corresponds to the SSMT having less articulation than the MZM, I do think we can change some things to give the SSMT a little better flex

byebye
2005.10.21, 07:22 AM
COOOOL!

-Byebye

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.24, 12:05 AM
OK Monster Truck Fans...here's the latest update on the SSMT Full Propo Experimental truck.

The whole MONSTER GARAGE crew got together today for a little monster mayhem, RCM and I both are running the new SSMT's with full propo boards and steering against the MZM.
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/5957/dcao64983ka.jpg
It became apparent very quickly that a SSMT with fully locked four wheel drive with full propo capabilities and regardless of actual ground clearance, can out climb, out crawl, and out claw the MZM hands down.
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/4900/dcao64253nh.jpg
RCM showed up with his truck sporting a LSSM shock job....WOW! We have never seen such articulation in any Kyoshor or Iwaver Monster, Overland, or even scrath built trucks of this scale. We are talking over 4 inches of lift on any corner and keeping the other three tires firmly planted. Now just add full driving powe to all those tires and you can start to see where these things will crawl out of or over just about anything.
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/2518/dcao64859qv.jpg
We had a great time, we broke out all the old foam obstacles and went to crawling. One of the favorites was the "Bowels of Hell" canyon run. It has many holes that will almost swallow a monster. The MZM performes ok in here with lots of horsepower but the SSMT geared so low just walks through obstacles like this, and the added articulation really comes into play.
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3392/dcao64543sj.jpg
Our opinion is that for the little amount of money for the truck, add a full propo board and servo, do a small shock job, and viola' you have a really nice crawler, tons of low torque, fantastic traction, and very controllable (with the 4X4 engaged, if you get in a tight spot, you can always stop, backup, and realign, ....very hard to do with a 2WD)
These may become our favorite truck if we're not careful!
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/6208/dcao64718gu.jpg

byebye
2005.10.24, 01:46 AM
Way tooooooo COOOOOOL!

You've gotta shoot some video!

-Byebye

easy
2005.10.24, 08:53 AM
Those are cool truck fo shu! :D With that kind of articulation after a simple shock and such a low cost they will likely become the standard crawler in this scale until Kyosho and Iwaver step up to the plate.

Even if the plastic is not quite as good I doubt that will matter if people use them as low speed crawlers like you guys are. The other thing is most of us will make our own chassis meaning the the original plastic is even less of an issue.

DM

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.24, 11:09 AM
You've gotta shoot some video!
yeah we never rven thought of video yesterday, we barely got the pictures, we were having way too much fun!

Even if the plastic is not quite as good I doubt that will matter if people use them as low speed crawlers like you guys are. The other thing is most of us will make our own chassis meaning the the original plastic is even less of an issue.
RCM and I have both had these trucks torn completely apart and RCM even built a chassis for his, but getting the geometry right was being a pain, and we both opted to run the stock chassis. With the cheap shock mod and that kind of articulation, we will probably stick with the stock chassis. The AA's add weight that is needed to keep those four clawing tires on the ground and they also provide much longer run times than switching to AAA's :D . The plastic was not an issue during out initial testing, in fact the trucks performed flawlessly.......we were totally amazed that something so cheap and simple could do what these trucks are doing :eek:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4710/dcao65018pc.jpg

beanoman
2005.10.24, 05:29 PM
Hey, I got one of these a few weeks ago.. Started to poke around in it seeing if i could make it full propo, and after seeing yours I had to do it yesterday. Stuff that was laying around was a Mini T reciever/esc unit, a xmod pot, and xmod aa lithiums. It worked out pretty good with nimhs, after I got the front end figured out. Then I bridged the top aa holders, and put the lithiums in the lower ones.. It was doing pretty long wheelies from a stop, but one of the gears in the drivetrain was starting to break. A bit later I hit a corner of a wall, bunged in part of the front of the steering because it was going pretty fast and I had left the front bumper off :( Seems to have bridged a connection, probly the wires going to the pot, and I may have fried the Mini T board.. I am going to look into fixing, because it is a great truck, for little money... Full propo lithium beast for something like $70. Everyone needs to have their own SSMT :).

It was able to get over everything in my yard, and I havnt gotten a chance to lock the diffs or do any suspension mods.

Beano

Mini T board fits perfectly between the 4 screw holes for the top plate- just have to cut that apart and trim it. Chassis is still rigid.

http://x10.putfile.com/10/29518070097.jpg (http://www.putfile.com)

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.24, 05:40 PM
OK I will say it again....these SSMT trucks are best suited for LOW speed crawling, add more horsepower (Lithiums or hot motors and gearing) and you'll end up breaking things :rolleyes:

beanoman
2005.10.24, 05:52 PM
Hehehe, it was fun while it lasted. Definatly better off staying with nimhs, but if you dont jam the throttle.... Yeah, definatly worth it, lol. Preformed very well :).

easy
2005.10.26, 07:50 PM
Could one of you guys or more post pics of how you put the pot in the steering box. Maybe its pretty straight forward. I don't know because the 1/24 SSMT is still in transit and I hajen't opened the 1/43 yet.

DM

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.26, 08:41 PM
Sorry Dave, I know I said I would do that and haven't yet, but I will get you pics this weekend. It is pretty straight forward to do and seems to work very well.

Simply done...
#1 open the front case
#2 gut the old steering pot and motor (but save the gear off the motor, it's a different size than the MZ gear)
#3 glue back of new pot to sheet plastic and glue that sheet into slot in the bottom of the case (you'll see what I mean when you get it open, be sure to size things so pot and gear line up))
#4 cut short piece plastic tubing to fit between pot and gear (notch one end to fit the front of the gear)
#5 glue (very little glue) tube to shaft on the pot (not to the gear)
#6 replace servo motor gear with gear saved from old motor
#7 reinstall servo motor
#8 close case
#9 Rock and Roll!

easy
2005.10.27, 02:16 PM
Well get to it I don't have all week! :p :D :)

Just kidding! I don't blame you for not opening it up I've had my 1/43 for 3 days and lived with the slipping tranny because I didn't want to stop driving it to tear it down. I did this morning though and am just waiting for the glue to dry before reassembly.

Actually your instructions make it sound very straight forward. I just have to wait until it gets here. Too bad we all didn't live closer together our combined offroad obstacles would make for some great monster truck rallys!

DM

yamar6
2005.10.29, 09:56 PM
what did he do to the shocksOK Monster Truck Fans...here's the latest update on the SSMT Full Propo Experimental truck.

The whole MONSTER GARAGE crew got together today for a little monster mayhem, RCM and I both are running the new SSMT's with full propo boards and steering against the MZM.
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/5957/dcao64983ka.jpg
It became apparent very quickly that a SSMT with fully locked four wheel drive with full propo capabilities and regardless of actual ground clearance, can out climb, out crawl, and out claw the MZM hands down.
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/4900/dcao64253nh.jpg
RCM showed up with his truck sporting a LSSM shock job....WOW! We have never seen such articulation in any Kyoshor or Iwaver Monster, Overland, or even scrath built trucks of this scale. We are talking over 4 inches of lift on any corner and keeping the other three tires firmly planted. Now just add full driving powe to all those tires and you can start to see where these things will crawl out of or over just about anything.
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/2518/dcao64859qv.jpg
We had a great time, we broke out all the old foam obstacles and went to crawling. One of the favorites was the "Bowels of Hell" canyon run. It has many holes that will almost swallow a monster. The MZM performes ok in here with lots of horsepower but the SSMT geared so low just walks through obstacles like this, and the added articulation really comes into play.
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3392/dcao64543sj.jpg
Our opinion is that for the little amount of money for the truck, add a full propo board and servo, do a small shock job, and viola' you have a really nice crawler, tons of low torque, fantastic traction, and very controllable (with the 4X4 engaged, if you get in a tight spot, you can always stop, backup, and realign, ....very hard to do with a 2WD)
These may become our favorite truck if we're not careful!
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/6208/dcao64718gu.jpg

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.30, 01:49 AM
Both our SSMT trucks run the LSSM shock mod, thats all you need to get massive articulation out of these trucks!

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.30, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=easy]Well get to it I don't have all week! :p :D :)

Ok this is for Dave and anyone else who has that "need to know" about the SSMT steering gear box.

Instructions first, pic second

#1 open the front case
#2 gut the old steering pot and motor (but save the gear off the motor, it's a different size than the MZ gear)
#3 glue back of new pot to sheet plastic and glue that sheet into slot in the bottom of the case (you'll see what I mean when you get it open, be sure to size things so pot and gear line up))
#4 cut short piece plastic tubing to fit between pot and gear (notch one end to fit the front of the gear)
#5 glue (very little glue) tube to shaft on the pot (not to the gear)
#6 replace servo motor gear with gear saved from old motor
#7 reinstall servo motor
#8 close case
#9 Rock and Roll!

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/3994/gearcasessmt8tw.jpg

easy
2005.10.30, 11:05 PM
Sweet set up DB and thanks for the great photo.

DM

Ninja
2005.10.30, 11:47 PM
man, i was going to put the new Overland board im getting into my monster, but now i think i will buy myself one of these instead, and show the monster guys in our club what crawling is all about :D :p

ApacheXMD
2005.10.31, 03:00 AM
I just did a fully propo mod to one of these trucks using an Epoch Indoor Racer board. It was fun for a while, but managed to strip a couple of teeth from the middle servo gear, just bashing around the house.

Have you had any trouble with the servo gears? I'm trying to figure out a servo saver solution for my truck.

-patchy

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.31, 12:13 PM
Yes I have had a broken second servo gear also (luckily it was only one tooth and I was able to rotate the gear 180 degrees and it still works)

The main problem is that these trucks do not have servo savers and I have not yet figured out how to add one.

That is why I have said since the begining that these are best suited as a slow speed crawler (using the upgrade climbing motor and lowest gearing) even the stock motor is too fast in my opinion, it only takes one good whack to a front tire and you have broken servo gears....and the only way to get a replacement is to buy another truck for parts.

DogbreathRacing
2005.10.31, 08:12 PM
Newest mods included Kyosho MR02 board installed, LSSM shock mod, mounts to fit the MZM bodies, internal lay down antenna, and a reshaped front gear case to eliminate some of the sharp overhanging edges

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6969/dcao65530uu.jpg

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.01, 01:33 AM
My finished SSMT Mini Smasher.
Chassis and drive train are stock SSMT
PCB and steering pot supplied by a spare MR02 for full propo control
Battery capacity 2300Mah 4XAA
Powered by the SSMT Climber upgrade motor and gear
Traction supplied by Team Losi 1/18th scale Mini-Smasher tires, no inserts
Suspension is SSMT shocks with LSSM shock mod giving 4 1/2 inch articulation
Full time 4X4 with locked diffs
Custom suspension rod battery covers replace the old chrome gas tanks
Custom DBR 73 VW light weight styrene body

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8456/dcao65595mi.jpg


SSMT Mini-Smasher compared to Mini-Z Monster
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9852/dcao65569qs.jpg


With the SSMT/MS you can pass anyone anywhere anytime
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9030/dcao65803dr.jpg


This truck will take the toughest obstacle head on and power through it effortlessly
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4192/dcao65699ij.jpg
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/553/dcao65651bk.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/282/dcao65710dw.jpg

ApacheXMD
2005.11.01, 03:25 AM
Looks awesome!

One thing I've been wondering, you're not having any trouble running the SSMT motors straight off the mini-z board? They're physically a lot larger than the mini-z motors, but I wasn't sure of the current draw on them.

On my truck I had to make an external h-bridge (mini-z "turbo") to drive the motor since I'm using an Epoch Indoor Racer board. I was sure it'd blow out the fets on that.

-patchy

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.01, 05:29 AM
The Kyosho and Iwaver boards both seem to drive the bigger motors just fine....so far

ApacheXMD
2005.11.03, 11:50 PM
So I bought a second to fix my servo gear issues. I was gonna take out the virgin servo gears from this 2nd truck, make a nice silicone mold, and cast spare gears in case of future accidents.

After disassembling the front end, I noticed the gears were different from my first SSMT. Here's a pic:

http://www.xmdtech.com/pics/servo_gears_small.jpg

The top row is from my first truck. The bottom row is from the new truck.

The middle gear is the one that broke for me (you can see 2 teeth missing from the inner section of the gear. Now I'm sure you notice that the gears from the new truck has fewer, but beefier teeth right where the weakness is. 6 teeth instead of 8. I'm sure this is an improvement made to resist gear breakage was is obviously a problem with these trucks.

Another difference is the nub on the final gear (furthest right). The nub is the part that mates to the steering tie-rod. The weak gears have a round, cylindrical nub, while the stronger gears feature a more elliptical nub. The new nub has a looser fit in the tie rod when in the center position.

The major axis of new nub is the same as the diameter of the old nub (0.097 inches), but the minor axis measures 0.078 inches. This will add some more slop in the steering system, and may be another attempt to prevent servo gear breakage.


The trick is finding out which trucks have the bigger gears and which ones don't.

I do not see any obvious differences between the two trucks otherwise, except that the screws that hold down the top of the front end assembly were oversized on the truck with the weaker gears. Other than that, I can see nothing to distinguish between the two versions.

Dog, do you recall which version of servo gears you had?

-patchy

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.04, 08:38 PM
My truck had the second gear with eight teeth, broke the same as yours

pHREDD
2005.11.04, 09:07 PM
Great looking job DBR. Im going tomorrow to pick up a couple these tomorrow and start modding.

Ninja
2005.11.05, 01:07 PM
damn you Phredd, you beat me to the punch :p

pHREDD
2005.11.05, 02:02 PM
I thought I beat you about 30 post ago :)

pHREDD
2005.11.05, 02:23 PM
I did pick up a SSMT today and still having fun in its stock form. I may have to gut one of my overlands and start modding.

Ninja
2005.11.05, 05:32 PM
man, i cant wait to get my hands on one. i would love to mod it out and sho Todd and Carnes what real mini-crawling is all about :D

pHREDD
2005.11.05, 05:54 PM
so far so good....its fun out of the box

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.05, 06:05 PM
You wanna mod it into a real monster?
SSMT/MS Instructions (http://ripper7racing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4683)

bda52
2005.11.05, 06:24 PM
OK, reading all of these posts made me go out and pick one up. No mods yet but it looks like following DBR's tut it should be kind of easy (I have not been into doing mods before). It is a reeally cool little truck. $20 for the truck and $30+ for an Iwaver board is not too bad a deal to get 4x4.

DBR, with the board swap do you pick up turing diameter? That is the one thing I was kind of suprised to see was not as tight as the MZM. Thanks!

pHREDD
2005.11.05, 06:27 PM
You wanna mod it into a real monster?
SSMT/MS Instructions (http://ripper7racing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4683)


yeppers....i sure do.


fanks for the link

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.05, 06:37 PM
yeppers....i sure do.
I'm sure you do!!! :D

DBR, with the board swap do you pick up turing diameter? That is the one thing I was kind of suprised to see was not as tight as the MZM. Thanks!
No, swapping the board will not tighten the turning radius (the only real weak link in this truck) the steering radius is controlled by two nibs on the steering arm, they can be shaved a little but be careful, if you trim to much then the drive shafts in the front knuckles will start to rub and that could be a problem far worse than the turning radius. As far as I am concerned...I can live with it.

pHREDD
2005.11.05, 11:53 PM
Ok I finished the SSMT with a overland PCB and LSSM mods. DBR was right. this thing will climb almost anything. If you can get a tire on it it will climb it.

http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/501952/33.JPG

http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/501952/34.JPG

http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/501952/35.JPG

I want to experiment a little more before I call it complete but so far I LIKE IT!!!


COOL!!!!

bda52
2005.11.06, 12:58 AM
Did your Toys-r-Us have the accessory kits for these? I would really like to get both kits for the different motors and the spare wheels.

I could not find them in either of the 2 near me. I did find them at there online store but would rather save the shipping charges. Maybe I just looked in the wrong place. I figured they would be right next to the RTR sets in the peg hook section.

pHREDD
2005.11.06, 01:33 AM
yeah the toys b us had both upgrade kits. i am running the hummer tires and wheels now. It kicks the mini-z monster in the butt

bda52
2005.11.06, 01:42 AM
yeah the toys b us had both upgrade kits. i am running the hummer tires and wheels now. It kicks the mini-z monster in the butt

I must just be blind as a bat then, I will check again. Now I just have to order an IW board to upgrade mine.

DBR or anyone that has done the upgrade:

1) Do you still use the stock steering motor or the IW's with the stock gear on front?

2) Do you use the stock motor or do you use the Z's motor screwed into the PCB as picuted in DBR's second pic in the linked tut?

I am more interested in using this truck for racing like on the monster truck tour and maybe a little off road use.

Thanks for all the help.

pHREDD
2005.11.06, 02:06 AM
I grabed up both upgrade kits and 2 RTR kits. I have modded one and the other will be a parts truck. I used the kyosho steering motor in mine but the SSMT stock steering motor was the same size and looked like it would work. the stock main motor is smaller than the SSMT motor so I didnt try a x speed or any mini-z motor. I will use my SSMT for creeping and crawling. it does go better than the MMT. dont get me wrong I still like my MMT. if only it was 4x4.

http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/501952/36.JPG

SuperFly
2005.11.06, 11:26 AM
I have a question about the LSSM mod. Are you guys modifying the stock shock or using overland shocks? If you're using the stock shocks, how the heck do you get the stock screw out of the bottom? It doesn't unscrew, it feels like it has an anchor molded into the plastic.

pHREDD
2005.11.06, 11:41 AM
I have a question about the LSSM mod. Are you guys modifying the stock shock or using overland shocks? If you're using the stock shocks, how the heck do you get the stock screw out of the bottom? It doesn't unscrew, it feels like it has an anchor molded into the plastic.

I used the stock shocks. Grab the inner shaft with a pair of needle nose plires and then grab the shock end with a pair of regular pliers. pull like hell until it comes off. It will not hurt the shock end.

bda52
2005.11.06, 12:33 PM
I grabed up both upgrade kits and 2 RTR kits. I have modded one and the other will be a parts truck. I used the kyosho steering motor in mine but the SSMT stock steering motor was the same size and looked like it would work. the stock main motor is smaller than the SSMT motor so I didnt try a x speed or any mini-z motor. I will use my SSMT for creeping and crawling. it does go better than the MMT. dont get me wrong I still like my MMT. if only it was 4x4.

http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/501952/36.JPG

Thanks pHREDD.

I really like the way the drive motor mounts in these things. Might be a bit lazy on my part but I just love how easy it is to swap out.

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.06, 12:41 PM
1) Do you still use the stock steering motor or the IW's with the stock gear on front?
You can use either the stock servo motor or the one that comes with your PCB...but you must use the stock servo motor gear from the SSMT (it's a different size than the MZ gear)


2) Do you use the stock motor or do you use the Z's motor screwed into the PCB as picuted in DBR's second pic in the linked tut?
again you can use either, but using a MZ motor will require additional modification to the rear case (I use the "Climber" upgrade SSMT motor)


I have a question about the LSSM mod. Are you guys modifying the stock shock or using overland shocks? If you're using the stock shocks, how the heck do you get the stock screw out of the bottom? It doesn't unscrew, it feels like it has an anchor molded into the plastic.
I usually cut the shaft so the shock comes apart in two pieces, the chuck the botoom half of the shaft (the end with the ball cup you need) into my dremel, they as it spins, pull the ball cup with a set of pliers...the spinning creates just enough friction that the plastic heats enough to release the anchors and let the shaft pull out....then to reassemble the ball cupo with the longer rod I use super glue, there's no real strain on the shaft so glue holds fine.
(so you got a SSMT Fly? Cool, we're gonna have to get together for some crawling)

pHREDD
2005.11.06, 12:43 PM
im thinking about hooking up a JST connector to the PCB and also to the motors. then it will be a breeze to swap.

MiniZMaster
2005.11.06, 12:46 PM
Nice Trucks, I Want One So Bad

pHREDD
2005.11.06, 12:47 PM
I used threaded linkage rod for the shaft (256 I think) and it screwed in nicely in the shock ends.....

pHREDD
2005.11.06, 01:11 PM
DBR, did you use the pot coupler that came with the SSMT or did you mod 1? I cut and used the stock one and it was a bear to fit.

SuperFly
2005.11.06, 01:30 PM
(so you got a SSMT Fly? Cool, we're gonna have to get together for some crawling)


Yeah, and I bought Mat one for his bday, so we'll both be crawling soon!

I just bought all the parts for the LSSM mod at Tammies yesterday, and I'm going to sacrifice my 01 iWaver for the board and pot. I've only driven it twice since I moved on to MR02s, so I'll get more use out of it this way.

pHREDD
2005.11.06, 08:32 PM
DBR, did you post that you locked in your diff? if so how did you do it?

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.06, 08:50 PM
Yeah, and I bought Mat one for his bday, so we'll both be crawling soon!

I just bought all the parts for the LSSM mod at Tammies yesterday, and I'm going to sacrifice my 01 iWaver for the board and pot. I've only driven it twice since I moved on to MR02s, so I'll get more use out of it this way.

Coolness, we crawled today....a little "King of the Hill" :D



Phredd, I used a piece of tubing and built a scratch coupler, the stock white one is quite tough to work with........I locked the diffs with CA, took them apart and two drops right on the spider gears

ApacheXMD
2005.11.14, 03:17 PM
I just noticed a difference in the front bulkheads in the new and old versions of the truck, so now it should be possible to choose a truck that has the new, beefier servo gears

When you see the trucks on the shelf, you will see the bare chassis near the bottom of the box:
http://www.xmdtech.com/pics/new_version_front_bulkhead3-small.jpg

You should be able to see the top bulk head cover where the steering knuckle goes through:
http://www.xmdtech.com/pics/new_version_front_bulkhead4-small.jpg

What you're looking for is the shape of the cover, right where the knuckle is:
http://www.xmdtech.com/pics/new_version_front_bulkhead1-small.jpg
http://www.xmdtech.com/pics/new_version_front_bulkhead2-small.jpg

See the differences between the NEW (beefier servo gears) and the OLD? Notice the old version has those diagonals that extend into the circle. The NEW does not. The NEW version's circle is raised a bit from the other parts, whereas the OLD version's circle is flush with the other lines.

You should be able to spot the shape of the new version pretty easily. Good luck!

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.14, 04:29 PM
Good eye! I didn't even notice that till you posted, but you are correct!
Now all of you know how to find the trucks with the good servo gears

ApacheXMD
2005.11.14, 08:45 PM
So i'm trying to do the LSSM, but for the life of me, i can't get the shaft out of the stock shocks. I did manage one, but not before mangling the hell out of the ball cup. It barely snaps over the ball now :(

The next one I tried is fighting me all the way. I've tried yanking with two pliers. Nothing. Next I cut the shaft and chucked it in my drill press while I yanked down with pliers. Nothing. I've even tried heating the shaft with my 100 watt soldering gun until my fingers were burning, then yanking on it with two pairs of pliers. Still nothing..

Now the ball cup is horribly disfigured and my fingers hurt. I'm just about out of ideas. :(

-patchy

pHREDD
2005.11.14, 09:02 PM
I just grab the shaft with a pair o pliers and grab the shock end with another and pulled hard. Mine came apart ok. you have to have a firm grip on both. pull like heck in one swift move it will come apart.

oh yeah if it makes a difference I modded the stock black shocks

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.14, 09:31 PM
Yeah they can be a pain (literally), I use a drill and pliers and they come apart with a fair amount of strain....it's much easier to order a spare set of stock Kyosho shocks, they screw apart!

ApacheXMD
2005.11.14, 10:52 PM
I finally got it!

I should have done what DogBreathRacing said earlier in the thread and used my dremel. I just used a smaller collet to get it to grip the shock shaft, gripped the ball cup with pilers, turned the dremel on to full blast and the damn thing slid off! Literally, it took less than 2 seconds!

30,000RPMs works better than the 500RPMs on my drill press :)

-patchy

jaeneke
2005.11.20, 01:35 AM
mmm i'm interested to pick such a MT up @ tuys"r"us in holland but can u only use the wheels that come with the kit ?
and is it difficult to build proper bodymounts for the kyosho chassis ??

i like my full alloy MZM wit locked diff but it cant crawl like those MT's :eek:

bda52
2005.11.20, 02:51 AM
mmm i'm interested to pick such a MT up @ tuys"r"us in holland but can u only use the wheels that come with the kit ?

That is correct. There are 3 total styles of wheels available. One comes with the RTR ($20 in the US), one style with the Hummer body kit ($10 US) and one style with the Ford body kit ($10 US). The body kits include not only the body and new wheels but also tires, motor and gear. The Ford body is prewired with headlights and taillights. Note: You cannot use Kyosho lock nuts with the wheels, so be careful not to lose the alloy lock nuts it comes with or you will have to make a trip to the local hardware store.

I might have to steal the way they have them in there for my racers. There is a piece of clear plastic installed to hold all the wiring out of the way and has holes cut in it for the light kit plug to come through and an antenna hole in it.

and is it difficult to build proper bodymounts for the kyosho chassis ??

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202383&postcount=26 Look at the white bar above the battery box. DBR mounted white styrene bar with holes drilled to mount MZM and his own bodies on it.

jaeneke
2005.11.20, 05:48 AM
That is correct. There are 3 total styles of wheels available. One comes with the RTR ($20 in the US), one style with the Hummer body kit ($10 US) and one style with the Ford body kit ($10 US). The body kits include not only the body and new wheels but also tires, motor and gear. The Ford body is prewired with headlights and taillights. Note: You cannot use Kyosho lock nuts with the wheels, so be careful not to lose the alloy lock nuts it comes with or you will have to make a trip to the local hardware store.

I might have to steal the way they have them in there for my racers. There is a piece of clear plastic installed to hold all the wiring out of the way and has holes cut in it for the light kit plug to come through and an antenna hole in it.



http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202383&postcount=26 Look at the white bar above the battery box. DBR mounted white styrene bar with holes drilled to mount MZM and his own bodies on it.


tnx for the info !!

i cant wait to see that thing crawl :D
like i said, my MZM is perfect for crawling(with the IW controller adjusted to 35% throttle)with the LSSM but he misses something... like AWD... ;) :D

and the light kit that comes with that body, wheels and motor... how do you instal it on a MZ board or do i have to use a MZ lightkit ??

bda52
2005.11.20, 10:23 AM
The plug on the light kit for the SSMT body is similar to the Xmod kit, it just plugs into the stock board. Easiest would be to use the light kits for the Zs.

DogbreathRacing
2005.11.23, 09:39 AM
is it difficult to build proper bodymounts for the kyosho chassis ??

It is really easy to build either the Kyosho style body mounts for the body or the chassis...you want a Kyosho body on the SSMT? That's an easy fix

I found a quite effective way to mount stock MZM type bodies to the SSMT


MZM Type Mounts on top cover
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3605/dcao65531ci.jpg
#1 measure distance between mounting nibs in the body shell.
#2 drill two holes that distance apart in a sheet of 1/8 inch styrene sheet cut
1/2 inch by 2 1/2 inches X two pieces
#3 align mounts, body in position with new chassis mounts along the upper portin of the top cover and glue
#4 install MZM body of choice, I prefer (I wonder why?) DBR light weight styrene racing bodies, the bug fits well on this truck.


SSMT with DBR VW body using MZM style mounts
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9977/dcao65647dz.jpg

Custom made mounts installed inside DBR VW body
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3821/dcao63932gm.jpg

landmine55
2005.12.07, 07:11 PM
It is really easy to build either the Kyosho style body mounts for the body or the chassis...you want a Kyosho body on the SSMT? That's an easy fix

I found a quite effective way to mount stock MZM type bodies to the SSMT


MZM Type Mounts on top cover
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3605/dcao65531ci.jpg
#1 measure distance between mounting nibs in the body shell.
#2 drill two holes that distance apart in a sheet of 1/8 inch styrene sheet cut
1/2 inch by 2 1/2 inches X two pieces
#3 align mounts, body in position with new chassis mounts along the upper portin of the top cover and glue
#4 install MZM body of choice, I prefer (I wonder why?) DBR light weight styrene racing bodies, the bug fits well on this truck.


SSMT with DBR VW body using MZM style mounts
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9977/dcao65647dz.jpg

Custom made mounts installed inside DBR VW body
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3821/dcao63932gm.jpg






hey can u mount mzm shocks on the ssmt because i just got one in mail and cant open it till the fat red man gets here :mad: i got tons of old shocks so if u can thanks but not crap.

DogbreathRacing
2005.12.07, 08:54 PM
Sure the MZM shocks are a direct bolt on :)

SuperFly
2005.12.08, 01:17 PM
Yeah, it's very tough to get them out. I struggled with it, but once I got the first one out the rest came easier because I knew what to expect. Here's how I did mine:

I followed DBR's instructions about cutting the shaft and chucking it in my drill. I tighted the chuck real good, as I used the drill to pull it out while it was spinning. Then I got my wire strippers (the flat, black kind with multiple nothces for stripping various guages of wire), and there's a large, open notch that's not bladed. I believe it's supposed to be used for crimping. Anyway, it's big enough to allow the shaft and part of the housing to poke through, but small enough to keep it from spinning. Then I get the drill spinning with just enough pulling pressure to keep the lower housing seated on my wire strippers. After letting it spin at high speed for about 30 seconds, I pull real hard, trying as hard as possible to keep my pull straight. For one of them I put the wire strippers under my feet so I could use both hands to pull and get a better angle.

landmine55
2005.12.08, 05:58 PM
thanks for the info dbr cause i just got the special editaien mzm with oil shocks and mak killer body

lilskipro587
2005.12.11, 09:03 PM
how much would it cost me for one of you guys to build me a full propo ssmt? with a iwaver pro board from tower hobbies and a $15.99 truck i would not expext anything more than $50 for all of it i would like less. Im not looking to buy now unless dirt cheap ($30-35) so i would just like an estimate

Kevin

easy
2005.12.11, 11:18 PM
30 to 35$? I guess you're expecting to get the labour and materials other than the truck and PCB to build your truck for free then? I live in Canada so the shipping alone would put me out of your price range.

DM

DogbreathRacing
2005.12.11, 11:39 PM
Yeah, even at $50, that just covers the parts and shipping costs....why don't you build it yourself?....that's half the fun of this hobby

ApacheXMD
2005.12.12, 05:01 AM
how much would it cost me for one of you guys to build me a full propo ssmt? with a iwaver pro board from tower hobbies and a $15.99 truck i would not expext anything more than $50 for all of it i would like less. Im not looking to buy now unless dirt cheap ($30-35) so i would just like an estimate

Kevin

I'd probably do it for you for 50 bucks, if you provide the truck and the Iwaver board and pay shipping both ways. It'd be a pretty quick and dirty job for that price though..

just do it yourself.

-patchy

DogbreathRacing
2005.12.12, 06:05 AM
I'd probably do it for you for 50 bucks, if you provide the truck and the Iwaver board and pay shipping both ways. It'd be a pretty quick and dirty job for that price though..

just do it yourself.

-patchy

Heck I would do him a bang up job for $35 if all the parts and shipping were provided, it's not that hard..............but I think he wanted everything included for $50?......maybe I read the post wrong?

bda52
2005.12.12, 10:10 AM
Heck I would do him a bang up job for $35 if all the parts and shipping were provided, it's not that hard..............but I think he wanted everything included for $50?......maybe I read the post wrong?

DBR, how you read it was how I read it also. I was thinking at Tower the IW board it $29.99 and I think the sale is over at Toys-R-Us so the truck it $20. Your at $49.99 right there (less local sales tax on the truck, 7% here so it would be $21.40 for the SSMT).

lilskipro587
2005.12.12, 02:20 PM
everything for $50 which means you going out and buying at least the truck. but i cant afford that right now so wen i have the money i will let u now

DogbreathRacing
2005.12.12, 03:46 PM
everything for $50 which means you going out and buying at least the truck. but i cant afford that right now so wen i have the money i will let u now

So you are asking for someone to go out and buy all the parts, put it together, and ship it to you for nothing? :eek: Good Luck finding someone that is willing to go through all that. Again I suggest you try it yourself, it is not that difficult and I have posted a tutorial on how to do it. :D

lilskipro587
2005.12.12, 03:55 PM
no no no i would pay $50-60 bucks for someone to build me one becuase last time i soldered my truck it went up in flames so my dad wont let me do it anymore. And if i sent everything to you and gave you $30 bucks would u do it?

jaejw1
2005.12.12, 08:24 PM
i think the lil trucks are now onsale,, 15bux..

ApacheXMD
2005.12.13, 04:50 AM
no no no i would pay $50-60 bucks for someone to build me one becuase last time i soldered my truck it went up in flames so my dad wont let me do it anymore. And if i sent everything to you and gave you $30 bucks would u do it?

The answer is obvious. Rebel against your parents and do it anyway!! :)

Damn the internet is evil...

Seriously though.. try to get your dad to work on it WITH YOU! It's a neat little project that isn't hard to do. It'll let you bond with Pops, you get to hone your soldering skills, and you end up with a pretty neat truck when you're done.

-patchy

Ronin
2005.12.14, 10:37 PM
Just Got mine tonite, on sale too! got the blue RTR with the Hummer Upgrade. Came home, tore it apart, put in the crawler motor and gears, then searched for a 9v for a bit. Then tore up the basement with it!

Best $26 I've ever spent. It makes me regret buying my MZM. Anybody want an MZM SE? only has a broken front shock mount, no scratches on the chrome...

Oh, the SSMT, right. I love it, and highly recommend it, even without the Full Proportional steering and throttle it's cool. I'm going to do that next though!

jaejw1
2005.12.15, 03:29 PM
are you able to put a regular micro esc inside these things,, and if so would that improve the steering at all.. also can you change the freq of these ... ?? if not and one were to get a stock mini-t esc/rx combo do you have to get another radio aswell..

DogbreathRacing
2005.12.15, 08:46 PM
are you able to put a regular micro esc inside these things,, and if so would that improve the steering at all.. also can you change the freq of these ... ?? if not and one were to get a stock mini-t esc/rx combo do you have to get another radio aswell..

replacing just the ESC will do nothing to make the steering better, you have to replace the stock steering pot as it is a simple on/off type.
Freq. can not be changed on the stock truck, and yes replacing the ESC will require a radio as well.

jaejw1
2005.12.16, 11:57 AM
well i just bought four of these things,, going to give them to my nephews for christmas,, i dont think they will care about modding them,, 2 going to my nephews one to my son and the other to my dad,, im planning on buying myself a iwaver,, that way i dont have to deal with buying parts i dont already have for modding the ssmt..

lilskipro587
2005.12.16, 02:52 PM
hey ronin how much u want for ur MZM SE. FREE!!!!! PLEASE IL PAY SHIPPING IM A POOR 13 YEAROLD

Ronin
2005.12.17, 02:36 PM
hey ronin how much u want for ur MZM SE. FREE!!!!! PLEASE IL PAY SHIPPING IM A POOR 13 YEAROLD
Right. After I paid 190 for it. Remember, we were all 13 at one time. Get a job, save up your money, and give me 140 for it. :D


Back on topic, I've found the hardest part of this mod is making the POT line up and work correctly with the steering guts. Other than that, my mod is going well!

Thanks for the awesome info DBR!! :)

jaejw1
2005.12.17, 09:17 PM
can someone provide a list of things TO BUY for someone that wants to mod theres and dont own an iwaver or a mini-z... i have 4 of these things and 2 of them i would like to mod,, but i have nothing in way of supplies.. this forum provides a good how-to but it seems as though most ppl that have modded theres already owned the mini-z or the iwaver... please help... and if it is already mentioned (with part numbers) then i appologize for my stupidity :confused:

bda52
2005.12.17, 09:39 PM
can someone provide a list of things TO BUY for someone that wants to mod theres and dont own an iwaver or a mini-z... i have 4 of these things and 2 of them i would like to mod,, but i have nothing in way of supplies.. this forum provides a good how-to but it seems as though most ppl that have modded theres already owned the mini-z or the iwaver... please help... and if it is already mentioned (with part numbers) then i appologize for my stupidity :confused:

*Iwaver board (about $20/Mini-Z board $70)

*Rubber fuel hose (to connect the pot to the steering gear)

*Sheet of plastic (to mount the pot to)

RC mart used to carry the IW boards but they are not listed there anymore. You can try to email the shop to see if they have them or if they can one in for you.

jaejw1
2005.12.17, 11:33 PM
*Iwaver board (about $20/Mini-Z board $70)

*Rubber fuel hose (to connect the pot to the steering gear)

*Sheet of plastic (to mount the pot to)

RC mart used to carry the IW boards but they are not listed there anymore. You can try to email the shop to see if they have them or if they can one in for you.
where do i find this pot... do i have to purchase a mini-z servo aswell?? and the motor???
http://www.mini-zracer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202262&postcount=21

bda52
2005.12.18, 01:16 AM
where do i find this pot... do i have to purchase a mini-z servo aswell?? and the motor???
http://www.mini-zracer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202262&postcount=21

It is already attached to the board. It is not something else that would need to be purchased.

jaejw1
2005.12.18, 03:15 AM
http://www2.gpmd.com/image/i/iwvl0003.jpg

am i missing something,,,,, i know this is a 02 iwaver board,, and im guessing the "pot" is wires coming from the board,, but i dont see such a thing pictured here......

please be patient with me i know nothing about mini cars....

bda52
2005.12.18, 11:57 AM
http://www2.gpmd.com/image/i/iwvl0003.jpg

am i missing something,,,,, i know this is a 02 iwaver board,, and im guessing the "pot" is wires coming from the board,, but i dont see such a thing pictured here......

please be patient with me i know nothing about mini cars....

Oh, that looks like it would be the "new" iwaver boards. The one that goes with the new release iwavers that use a micro servo for steering.

This is a pic of the Kyosho board. http://www.rc mart.com/catalog/images/kyo_mz209.jpg (take out space) This is the kind of board from Iwaver you would be looking for.

We all suggest using an IW board becasue of the less expensive price.

jaejw1
2005.12.18, 01:05 PM
do you know where i can find this older style iwaver board,,, btw thanks for the pic it really cleared things up for me.... i thought i was going crazy for a minute

Taazz
2005.12.18, 03:10 PM
Has anyone tried using one of the new Iwaver Pro boards from Tower? I ordered two of them to use in projects. Tried wiring one up to replace a stock board in my new Iwaver and I can't get the steering to work. The centering pot on top of the board just causes the servo to swing from one extreme to the other. No gradual adjustment to allow you to center the servo. I wired it exactly the way the stock board was and both Pro boards do same thing.

This sounds like a really neat project if I could get my Iwaver boards to work.

bda52
2005.12.18, 03:57 PM
do you know where i can find this older style iwaver board,,, btw thanks for the pic it really cleared things up for me.... i thought i was going crazy for a minute

Best thing to do is try e-mailing the shop that runs this forum. http://shop.tinyrc.com/home.php

Has anyone tried using one of the new Iwaver Pro boards from Tower? I ordered two of them to use in projects. Tried wiring one up to replace a stock board in my new Iwaver and I can't get the steering to work. The centering pot on top of the board just causes the servo to swing from one extreme to the other. No gradual adjustment to allow you to center the servo. I wired it exactly the way the stock board was and both Pro boards do same thing.

This sounds like a really neat project if I could get my Iwaver boards to work.

DBR's tut is for use with the old IW boards. If anyone has tried to use the new IW boards I am sure they will try to help you out.

As a side note, I am kind of disappointed that IW did not make a plug for the mirco servo on the new boards for the new IW lineup. Just thought it would be easier to swap out the servo or change it to an aftermarket one if they did.

Taazz
2005.12.18, 04:12 PM
Yes, they went with the old 4 wire servo on the newest Iwavers. And it is a very slow servo at that. To replace it with an aftermarket servo you have to go in and gut the board out of the servo and hook the pot wires directly to the board.

It is an easy solder job, but still a hassle nonetheless.

jaejw1
2005.12.19, 08:58 PM
so the firelap iwaver should have it,,, or is it the 02 or 01.. i dont know much about the iwavers and im still waiting on a return response from tinyrc.com

i would hate to spend 70bux on a board when i can spend 100bux and get the entire rtr (mini-z)

Ninja
2005.12.19, 11:37 PM
you can find IW boards at Tower ;) less than $30

jaejw1
2005.12.20, 03:17 AM
they arent the right ones... the ones im requesting/looking for look like this,,, with the steering pot.. www.rc mart.com/catalog/images/kyo_mz209.jpg

just remove the space




by chance,,, i havent checked myself,, but would the board from an xmod work,,, just a thought

lilskipro587
2005.12.20, 03:40 PM
im not sure bout xmods board. They might me a tad too big seeing its 3 seperate boards. and the evo baords are probably too wide

bda52
2005.12.20, 03:50 PM
im not sure bout xmods board. They might me a tad too big seeing its 3 seperate boards. and the evo baords are probably too wide

and you would have to downgrade to the xmod controller.

jaejw1
2005.12.28, 11:59 AM
ok i bought a bunch of these trucks for my nephews and one for my son and another for my dad..

question,, what is the fastest motor that i could upgrade to without any major modding.. as far as fets go,, i have no idea where to place them nor where to get upgraded fets,, i have seen some stuff at ************ the iwaver pro mod motor and also the nuke motor ( atomicmods state that this motor requires an upgraded board)

i like the playfulness of these cars.. was racing my dad the other day and had a good time doing so,,, playing crash derby.. also i had the ssmt upgraded motor in.. the thing doesnt take off as fast as the stock motor but it is faster.. i just want more speed,, seems like these lil things can handle it in an open space.. not somthing i would drive fast around the house... and they seem to be more exctiting when there is another to play with...

what is a good motor to upgrade to without the exchange of another board (since the iwaver boards cant be found)

thanks

SteveR1960
2005.12.28, 02:10 PM
A new Kyosho 4x4 makes total sense. This confirms my suspicions. At first when I saw Tower reduce MZM prices I heard this was because Kyosho no longer lets them distribute. Then I picked a second one discounted from a hobby shop and then I wondered. Finally, AtomicMods is no longer carrying 6 styles of MZM but just 2 styles. Then I found another couple of hobby shops clearing these out. All this seemed an unlikely XMAS sale.

Anyone think the new 4x4 will replace outright the MZM. If so, would this compromise support for MZM spare parts?

MiniMikeD
2005.12.28, 10:06 PM
I used the top speed motor from the F150 and put the stock green pinion on it to get my low speed torque back. It worked awesome. Great low end and still much faster than stock motor. Red motor has no torque at all with red pinion. Give it a try. Good luck!

jaejw1
2005.12.29, 10:49 AM
I used the top speed motor from the F150 and put the stock green pinion on it to get my low speed torque back. It worked awesome. Great low end and still much faster than stock motor. Red motor has no torque at all with red pinion. Give it a try. Good luck!
will they mesh good enough,, ...

also is there any other motor that can be used... i have been looking at the motors on ****** .com and they seem to have a few.. but i dont know if they are in comparison to the f150 motor.. also the motor used for the ssmt is it a 130 like the mini-z

the motors i have been looking at on ****** are product #'s
#MZII-020
#AR30
#100552

some require fet upgrades... can we upgrade the fets on the stock board of the ssmt... dont think i want to spend 70bux just to upgrade to the mini-z board,,, since the iwaver board cant be found,, atleast not the one with the pot.... btw could changing to the newer pc board allow for better throttle control,, only thing is that i would have to find a mini-z transmitter,,,, correct??...

bda52
2005.12.29, 11:13 AM
will they mesh good enough,, ...

also is there any other motor that can be used... i have been looking at the motors on ****** .com and they seem to have a few.. but i dont know if they are in comparison to the f150 motor.. also the motor used for the ssmt is it a 130 like the mini-z

the motors i have been looking at on ****** are product #'s
#MZII-020
#AR30
#100552

some require fet upgrades... can we upgrade the fets on the stock board of the ssmt... dont think i want to spend 70bux just to upgrade to the mini-z board,,, since the iwaver board cant be found,, atleast not the one with the pot.... btw could changing to the newer pc board allow for better throttle control,, only thing is that i would have to find a mini-z transmitter,,,, correct??...

Chances are you would need to do major mods to use any of the Mini-Z motors. The cans are smaller on the Z's and the Z motors attach with wires that screw to the PCB. In the SSMT the bell end has contacts to get the power to the motor.

jaejw1
2005.12.29, 01:12 PM
i guess you can say rc mart,,, well im aware that the mini-z motors use wires,, that wouldnt be a problem,, i dont think,,but i didnt know they were smaller motors... oh well what motors can we use to make it faster.. .. what size are they

easy
2005.12.31, 11:45 AM
The SSMT124 uses a larger motor than the 130 class used in the mini-Z and Iwaver. I don't know what size or class the SSMT124 motors are. To use a 130 class motor you'd just have to glue some shims into the motor case to take up the room left by installing the smaller motor.

You could also glue sheets of styrene to the outer walls of the motor case to makea thicker laminated wall and then drill through and use self taping set screws to secure the smaller motor. You would probably need to do the same to the top of the motor case too.

I haven't done this to my SSMT124 because the SSMT crawler upgrade motor works perfectly for my purposes.

Do be careful about how much power you run through these though because the diff gears are toy class and definitely not very strong. I've partially blown my rear diff after only a few minutes of crawling on my indoor course shown in these pics.

DM

newbitowner
2006.01.01, 12:08 AM
Anyone have an extra board, shocks, and TX laying around? :o

I'm willing to pay of course...

DogbreathRacing
2006.01.01, 02:01 AM
Boards are available over the net, alot on eBay right now

You can use/rebuild the shocks that come with the truck

Most of the big time forum users have multiple cars and radios, so there are always stock TX radios laying around, check the Misc Forum for any for sale

jaejw1
2006.01.02, 12:37 PM
has anyone used any oil shocks,, i read a review that they are hard to get tuned corectly..

Swavey
2006.01.18, 03:08 PM
Yo Easy!
Just tryin to get a hold of you, cause I found out you live in Vancity! Like me.
Tryin to get into MZM, Iwaver, and SSMT's and stuff, but havin trouble cause i live in canada :s

please email me @

blinnstudios (@) hot mail (.) com

thanx!

Ronin
2006.01.18, 08:28 PM
I still wonder why kyosho doesn't pick up this design, or even copy it a little bit. these trucks fully proportional, even as chassis kits would sell like hotcakes for around 80-100 bucks for sure. I'd have one!

We were thrashing ours, my brother and I, and were having a blast with them, stock! I bought him one for xmas after I ran mine and fell in love. Best 20 bucks I ever spent.

We did managed to blow out part of his differential though. So we replaced it out of one I ruined trying to make propo. Turns out that his differentail only had 2 gears in it instead of 3! that I found very odd. Other than that, they've been awesome!

Thanks a lot for the recommendation DBR! :D

easy
2006.01.18, 10:03 PM
Hi Swavey,

I tried to email you but that email address was rejected :( I did remove the brackets but it still didn't like it.

If you can't mail me through this board you can PM me through Ripper7Racing.

DM

rustler08
2006.01.22, 04:44 PM
Hey guys, I just purchased one of these guys yesterday, and I'm having a blast.

I have a question though. I want to make mine propo., but I don't have a iwaver board, and I don't have a 27mhz AM radio. Only 2 75 mhz radios.

My question is:

Where can a old style Iwaver board be purchased, and will any type of 27 Mhz AM transmitter work with the board? Because I may just buy a cheap AM radio for it.

Thanks,

Rusty

rustler08
2006.01.22, 05:18 PM
tip:

If you haven't done the LSSM mod, and you want to rock climb, simply remove the shocks. This allows for max suspension travel(sacrafising clearance), and is good for just about any climbing.

elkie
2006.01.26, 01:55 PM
Boards are available over the net, alot on eBay right now



maybe i'm just lost, but i have searched using about every term and have not found these boards on ebay. is there a seller id that has them,

Thanks

SuperFly
2006.01.26, 03:42 PM
maybe i'm just lost, but i have searched using about every term and have not found these boards on ebay. is there a seller id that has them,

Thanks


I've noticed a temporary shortage lately. It seems they're phasing out the MR01/iWaver01 stuff, and the supply of those boards has disappeared. I did see an iWaver 02 board with all the wires and steering on To yeast.

elkie
2006.01.27, 08:47 AM
Thanks,

I though I had lost my mind not being able to find these. So where do I go from here besides keep looking for them on ebay...

DogbreathRacing
2006.01.27, 09:48 AM
R C M A R T has both Kyosho and Iwaver boards available

elkie
2006.01.27, 10:41 AM
R C M A R T has both Kyosho and Iwaver boards available

Thanks, I see the kyosho boards($65), but do not see the iwaver boards..

Are there any sites in america that has these? I'd prefer not to order from oversees, had some bad experiance's before

DogbreathRacing
2006.01.27, 07:49 PM
The Iwaver boards are the first listed on the page at $17.90 @
I don't know of anyone in the ststes that carry boards.
I have not had any bad experiences with overseas shipping from these people.

Ninja
2006.01.27, 11:49 PM
The Iwaver boards are the first listed on the page at $17.90 @
I don't know of anyone in the ststes that carry boards.
I have not had any bad experiences with overseas shipping from these people.
i have never had a problem ordering from rc mart in the past

pHREDD
2006.01.28, 12:01 PM
i have never had a problem ordering from rc mart in the past


They lost my order 1 time but made it up. The shipping is slow. other than that....not bad to deal with

elkie
2006.01.31, 09:11 AM
The Iwaver boards are the first listed on the page at $17.90 @
I don't know of anyone in the ststes that carry boards.
I have not had any bad experiences with overseas shipping from these people.

Thanks for the information on ordering from them. It wasn't them i had problems with was another site, but if you all had no problems then i'll use them. i still can't seem to see the iwaver stuff. the link you click on for it got to a no data found in catalogue?? by chance do you have a part # or something?

Thanks for all the help

DogbreathRacing
2006.01.31, 09:17 AM
The Iwaver boards are listed as (#001) R/C Unit Set under Electrical Parts in the Mini-Z section, they cost $17.90

CUSTOM
2006.01.31, 10:30 PM
first off, COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! Awsome job DB! :D i just got a SSMT yesterday and i already have the LSSM mod on it.
Dog Breath:
is #001 on R C M A R T the EP you used? if so, im buying it for sure! ;) i need a propo too!

DogbreathRacing
2006.02.01, 10:01 AM
Thaanks, they are cool little trucks when done up right.
The #001 PCB is an Iwaver board, I used a spare Kyosho board I had, but now that I also have the 001 board I may swap it out and put the K board back in my spare racer.

pHREDD
2006.02.01, 01:43 PM
Hey DBR, have you seen these 1/18 4x4 trucks? you can get them at walmart. I have a few pics here (http://www.chattanoogarc.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=73&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d1cf1a3e4367c9044961bb669d918061)

DogbreathRacing
2006.02.02, 09:09 PM
Yeah, I've seen those...the guys from Texas have been real heavy into them, I just can;t see getting back into anything that large... :o

Stoovey
2006.02.15, 11:14 PM
I just picked up the SSMT today and intend on doing the full propo mod (FPM), along with locking the diffs, making body mounts for the Mini-Z body, and eventually a 4-link crawler chassis mod.

I have a few questions regarding the FPM.

#1 open the front case
#2 gut the old steering pot and motor (but save the gear off the motor, it's a different size than the MZ gear)
#3 glue back of new pot to sheet plastic and glue that sheet into slot in the bottom of the case (you'll see what I mean when you get it open, be sure to size things so pot and gear line up))
#4 cut short piece plastic tubing to fit between pot and gear (notch one end to fit the front of the gear)
#5 glue (very little glue) tube to shaft on the pot (not to the gear)
#6 replace servo motor gear with gear saved from old motor
#7 reinstall servo motor
#8 close case
#9 Rock and Roll!

#2 "gut the old steering pot and motor..." simply means removing them, correct? And then replacing them with the steering pot and motor from the Mini-Z?

If that's the case, sounds fairly easy to do. Anything I need to keep in mind as far as wire colors or positions?

Thanks for the help.

Now I just need to get an IWaver or Mini-Z board. I had an extra Overland I was going to use as a project vehicle, but it got stolen.

I also have an idea for making my Mini-Z Monster 4WD, albiet an unconventional design. More on that after I make my SSMT fully propo.

Stoovey
2006.02.16, 12:03 AM
Also, is I get the Iwaver steering servo (http://www2.************.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKRP1&P=7) from Tower, will that have all the parts I need for the full propo?

Or what about the Iwaver receiver/ESC board (http://www2.************.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKRN7&P=M)?

If either of these is all I need, it would save me from having to buy another vehicle just for parts.

DogbreathRacing
2006.02.16, 09:16 AM
The full propo mod I did the tutorial for is using a Mini Z or older Iwaver board, I don't know if the Iwaver with mini servo will work, but in answer to the question, yup gut the ssmt servo motor and pot and replace with the mini Z sevrvo and pot

bda52
2006.02.16, 11:33 AM
The full propo mod I did the tutorial for is using a Mini Z or older Iwaver board, I don't know if the Iwaver with mini servo will work, but in answer to the question, yup gut the ssmt servo motor and pot and replace with the mini Z sevrvo and pot

Just to add to DBR, save the gear from the SSMT's steering servo, you will need to use it to replace the propos steering servos gear.

warrior
2006.02.16, 12:54 PM
i just got a ssmt and do you think that you could run it off a 6cell 1500 mah battery with out frying the board?
Thanks

Stoovey
2006.02.16, 04:57 PM
The full propo mod I did the tutorial for is using a Mini Z or older Iwaver board, I don't know if the Iwaver with mini servo will work, but in answer to the question, yup gut the ssmt servo motor and pot and replace with the mini Z sevrvo and pot

Oh. I was hoping that mini-servo or the board from Tower would be what I need. Alot cheaper than buying a donor car just for this mod.

bda52
2006.02.16, 05:54 PM
Oh. I was hoping that mini-servo or the board from Tower would be what I need. Alot cheaper than buying a donor car just for this mod.

The old IW board is available at RC mart. It is the first one listed in the electronics section under the mini-z section, $18.

Stoovey
2006.02.17, 05:26 PM
The old IW board is available at RC mart. It is the first one listed in the electronics section under the mini-z section, $18.

It's actually $17.90...but thanks for the heads up. I ordered one.

bda52
2006.02.17, 05:36 PM
It's actually $17.90...but thanks for the heads up. I ordered one.

LOL, I was just lazy about the dime...

Stoovey
2006.02.18, 01:05 AM
LOL, I was just lazy about the dime...

Save ten dimes and you got a buck. Got a buck? You're in luck with the McDonald's 99 cent menu. Or Taco Bell. Or a KFC Snacker! ;)

SuperFly
2006.02.20, 01:52 PM
Hey if anyone is still reading this thread, I'm wondering if any of you have done the board swap with an iW01 board.

I just did it and the steering is quite weak. I get good throw turning left, but if I'm on any surface with more traction than a hardwood floor I get only a slight amount of right turn. I've dissassembled and reassembled several times, and I've double-checked any binding issues. The steering can actually do the travel to a hard right turn, the steering motor just doesn't seem to have enough power to move it.

I'm not sure if a new, different steering motor is the ticket, or if I need to upgrade the steering fets. Anyone else run into this?

Stoovey
2006.02.25, 12:56 AM
I'm still waiting for my donor IWaver board.

DogbreathRacing
2006.02.25, 08:06 AM
Superfly, I have several spare Servo motors you are free to try them next time your out this way, I have some FETS too if you need those.

easy
2006.02.25, 06:31 PM
Weak steering is a common complaint with Iwavers. Iwaver uses a different steering circuit that has less power than the Kyosho Mini-Z. The Iwaver steering circuit doesn't have fets it is a different single component that apparently can't be stacked or upgraded as readily as a fet.

You need to search threads at R7R by LBRC and ph2t to get a better idea what the differences are they are the experts on electronics not I.

Steering problems show up on Iwaver cars when faster motors are used as the motors draw what little power does go to the steering away causing control problems. The iwaver steering circuit never did have the power or torque to turn the front tires on the Iwaver 04 on softer surfaces, uneven surfaces or at low speeds.

Havig said all that its odd you are having the problem in one direction only. I have noticed however iwavers always turn tighter to one side than the other but I don't recal what side that is.

DM

sykdevil
2006.03.08, 11:56 PM
i got a spare epoch lying around, was wondering if anyone know if the epoch servo motor and pot would fit in the ssmt properly?

SuperFly
2006.03.09, 12:23 AM
i got a spare epoch lying around, was wondering if anyone know if the epoch servo motor and pot would fit in the ssmt properly?

It would fit, but you'd have to make a custom mount. As it is, you will have to make a custom mount for the pot either way. I think an epoch servo motor would be underpowered, as it takes all the torque and power the stock steering motor has to get full range under load. The stock SSMT motor is the same size as a Mini-Z/iWaver steering servo motor.

I would consider just wiring the stock motor up to your epoch board, and making a mount for the epoch pot.

sykdevil
2006.03.30, 10:05 PM
i'm having a problem with my steering, i wired in an epoch board, steering motor, and pot. Everything seems to work fine except for the steering is opposite than what its suppose to be. I tried switching the wires on the steering motor, but that doesn't seem to work, it made the steering turn one way once i turn the power on. can anybody help me fix this problem. thanks

ZYHAC
2006.04.06, 06:56 PM
DogbreathRacing I was just wondering if I sent you everything needed can you hook up my SSMT? See I am having a hard time trying to put this together in alot of different ways but it doesn't seem to want to work for me.