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avant
2006.08.30, 03:32 PM
During my visit in the US last week I've missed my little Zs and as the next RadioShack was not too far, well - guess what has happened ...
An H2, AWD-Set, Offroad-Upgrade, etc and here we go with modding the XMODS ;)

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1254-small.JPG

OK the XMODS appears more as a toy to me, esp. the front steering construction, but somehow this can be fixed, right ;)
At home I've taken my Dremel and modified the chassis a little - now the XMODS truck has a big flexibility :D ... and with my Lemo-motor it does excellent in my well known garden trail.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1245-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1247-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1252-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1253-small.JPG

Of course, there are still some things to do, but in general, the XMODS is much better than expected with all the upgrade parts. The turn radius is still too large, so still enough to do and I also need cooldragon's tires for the little XMODS ...

Grüssle,

Jo - there's nothing but a 4WD

avant
2006.08.31, 05:48 AM
... and some more pics:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1258-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1259-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1260-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1261-small.JPG

... and a little video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrSTDiBzRM)

... and again against a massive piece of wood Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wq4zgKSQ4Q)

Grüssle,

Jo

arch2b
2006.08.31, 06:06 AM
the cooldragon tires make a huge difference :)

avant
2006.08.31, 09:11 AM
Yes - not just the DragonZ, also the Lemo-Solar Motor

Jo

pomme de terre
2006.08.31, 10:24 AM
Any videos of it in action?

avant
2006.08.31, 10:30 AM
Just the ones you'll find at the bottom of my last posting with the pictures ...

More will follow - the performance is (besides the turning radius) much better than my old OL-Crawler.

Just tested right now - I got never stuck in my garden trail ...

Cheers,

Jo

lilskipro587
2006.08.31, 11:41 AM
where do u get hose cooldragin tires or w/e? i need them for my xtruck haha

avant
2006.08.31, 12:13 PM
ask cooldragon here in the forum ...

again some new pics incl. a test of a body:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1263-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1265-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_12637-small.JPG

... but more important - put a Kyosho ESC in ...

Cheers,

Jo

alpha_003
2006.08.31, 07:38 PM
hey avant, great xmod!!!
i was just wondering...i have heard of the lemo-solar motor before, i know that it has tons of torque...but i have been told that they dont ship to the U.S....so i was thinking, how much better is the lemo solar motor than a regular winded motor??? also, for the turning problem you encountered, its probably due to the humonguos tire you put on, but i was thinking either an iwaver or mini-z servo could be adapted with new steering links so that it turns better....what do you think???
just sharing my ideas////

-Lino

Newbster
2006.08.31, 10:28 PM
I would say go topless :D I think the chassis looks better than any body you could put on it!

It looks incredible, great job Avant!

avant
2006.09.01, 04:52 AM
Thanks guys - the Xtruck makes really fun and as much as I can tell now, the performance besides the known esc issues and turning radius is much better than my CrawlerZ ...
@alpha_003 unfortunately Lemo-Solar doesn't ship to the US, but maybe we can make a collective order for the forum after my return from holidays e/o September ? :D
A regular wounded motor can unfortunately not provide as much torque as a motor with additional gearing ..
Integrating another type of servo might be challenging - first I try some other mods like the Kyo esc and optimizing the mechanical part of the steering ;)

@Newbster - topless is always better :D But I still like the Mad Killer body ...

Here are some more pics:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1263-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1265-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1267-small.JPG

Cheers,

Jo

Joefullager
2006.09.01, 09:25 AM
Very nice ! I like the tires , I had some cooldragon overland ones for testing , and they worked very well.

Do you have an email adress for cooldragon ? I would like to contact him about some tyres for my TTTT ;) , thanks.

Draconious
2006.09.01, 11:12 AM
LoL a sign of Xmods quality... see his rear liscense plate on that body ;).

MINIz guy11
2006.09.01, 11:59 AM
ROFL!! nice find drac

avant
2006.09.01, 01:04 PM
LoL a sign of Xmods quality... see his rear liscense plate on that body ;).
Hehe - you're right, but as it will not be the final body and as there are GPM alu parts available I don't care ;)

Generally I'm fine as long as I outrun by far the OLs on the garden tracks :D

Cheers,

Jo

avant
2006.09.17, 03:41 PM
As I'm currently on vacation in France I cannot proceed with modding the steering of my XTruck, but the tests are going at the beach on regardless the environment...

There's just some weight missing, but a bunch of alu parts are already ready to ship ...

From what I can tell the Xtruck performs in all environments better than my OL Crawler ;)

Below you'll find some pics upfront - I'll post a new video when I have a better line than 56k :-(

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1453-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1454-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1455-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1456-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1457-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1459-small.JPG

Cheers,

Jo

alpha_003
2006.09.17, 05:24 PM
hey avant,
are you running AAA lithiums on your hummer?
how do they perform? are they worth it?
anyways, sweet friggin ride man....i love it.
what are you planning to do for the steering mod? i am asking this because im modding my steering also and was thinking about using 3.9 mm joints for the steering....too big???
anyways, are you planning on modding anything else, like the articulation up front???

-Lino

avant
2006.09.18, 02:55 AM
hey alpha_003.

I just use NiMHs - the Newtecs (www.newtec.de - pretty low resistance, so pretty much pressure) and the Sanyo 1000 mAh (for the endurance). Lithiums add no value to a crawler.

In regards to the steering mod - I want to lower and shorten the steering bar/using a different servo arm (longer) and most important to use the Kyosho tuning ball buttons to introduce a new joint - pretty simple construction, but it eliminates the steering and geometry probs of the XMODS.

Cheers,

Jo

alpha_003
2006.09.18, 07:38 PM
pretty cool setup, i might have to copy you! lol
anyways, how are the kyosho tuning ball buttons??? i think ive seen them, just wanna be sure. since you say its simple, its probably good. when i started to design my steering frame, as usual, i got way too involved and came up with a very complex and useless system. now im probably gonna ue 3.9 mm ball studs and joints so its simple and does its job.
about the liths, how come you think they arent useful in a crawler??? what batteries do you suggest then, are the ones you are using good??? i was thinking of lithiums because they give an immense boost of power to xmod ev cars, so i thought maybe to a truck too....come to think of it, i guess youre right since the lithiums probably dont deliver a lot of low-low-low end power.
how come you want to LOWER the steering??? isnt better to keep it up so the truck hs more under axle clearance??? just my 2 cents....but then again you seem to be pretty kowledgeable, so why dont I just shut up???

-Lino

avant
2006.09.19, 03:17 AM
Thanks Lino - copying is fine for me but improving my setup is much better ;) - KISS rulez ...
Unfortunately I cannot tell you more as I'm still in vacation until e/o this week - so you'll receive an update on this (incl. pics) earliest next week.
The 3.9 ball studs might also be good, but the Kyosho ones are a little smaller and the polished sureface might also be helpful here :D
In regards to the liths I personally think, that they're very helpful on the race track, but not on the crawler trails as it's more reasonable, having an additionally "geared motor" with ~1:100 -1:200. The reason is quite simple - you need much more torque on the rear axle to ensure a smooth crawling, otherwise the "starting moment" is with a powerful motor and the liths too high and the cawler is actually more "stuttering" than crawling.
I started the design with choosing the right engine - the lemo-solar, and the accumulators became not that important. This is the reason, why the liths became obsolete in my design. The newtecs are really excellent for all-purpose usage, esp. for racing, but as I've mentioned, for the crawler no specific accumulators are necessary. And as I'm interested in crawling as long as possible I often use my Sanyo 1000mAh. The right engine is here the secret ...

Lowering the steering bar - well I'm just talking about 1,5mm max., so the ground clearance is not affected. It's to ensure, that the distance, the bar has to move, is longer. In the end it's question of the right design of the servo arm, so maybe there's no need lowering the bar. As I've not changed the servo arm so far, the lowering-the-bar-mod is one of the solutions reducing the turning radius in the standard-environment.

BTW - you needn't shut up - it's all about communication ;)

Cheers,

Jo

avant
2006.09.23, 12:15 PM
... and the promised Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg-bMO_aQdU) of my little XTRuck.
Hope you like it :D

Enjoy ;)

Jo

lilskipro587
2006.09.24, 12:13 PM
THAT iS SOOOO COOOLL!!!! i want it! are their any motors similar to the lemo solar avalible in the US? i want it! and those tires!

alpha_003
2006.09.24, 03:32 PM
hey avant,
what do you think of a dual tie rod set up?? will it work? what i mean is a shorter more angled tie rod coming out of a modded sero horn (circular and bigger) to each knuckle? i was thinking about this because i want a simple design for when Im done with my front pivot mod...but will the steering be strong enough? this set up would make my life a whole lot easier.....if it works.
yesterday,
i bought a little cheap R/C that had one of the slowest cumutators ive seen, i would say it had no more than 10,000 rpm and is the same size as an xmod's, and since its so slow it should have good torque. Ill try this motor with neo magnets, ball nearing can and better wires and see if it will supply enough torque. plus the little R/C also had a 33-34 tooth spur gear perfect for modding it into my hummer, after i combine it with a kyosho replacement 6 tooth pinion Im ordering for a very torque oriented tranny.

-Lino

newbitowner
2006.09.24, 08:36 PM
avant, I NEED that motor. Where did you get it?

I have an Xtruck that is crying for that motor. It has everything else.

and how did you mount those wheels?


here's my truck...

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22439

lilskipro587
2006.09.24, 08:46 PM
Im with newbitowner i want one soooooooo bad! I WANNA CRAWL LIKE THAT!!!!!!!! comeone avant get bak to us!

avant
2006.09.25, 04:54 AM
@alpha_003 excellent idea - I'm with you - I have my doubts, that the power (torque) of the servo is sufficent for a long servo arm, but if we use just steel wire with a slim and not too long arm we shouid also follow this way ...
In regards to the motor - do you have some pics ?

@newbitowner, lilskipro587 - as my holidays are over and the workload is on a better level I'd propose a grouped order, so I'd like to have one contact in the US, who transfers the money to me, I'll order the motors here and send the lemo motors to him (and he distributes the motors in the US) - any volunteers ? :D

Cheers,

Jo

lilskipro587
2006.09.25, 03:36 PM
hey Jo i would definatley do it but im 14 and well you know i dont want to be responsible please any other takers? and umm how much would a lemo solar run us american money?

avant
2006.09.26, 02:14 PM
... well I'm sure we'll find someone ...

I've received and mounted some GPM parts for better traction in extreme situations and additionally I've done a little comparison between the XT Crawler and his counterpart OL Crawler:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1724-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1726-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1727-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1729-small.JPG

Jo

Roketmini
2006.09.26, 09:56 PM
If you think the crawling is good in France, wait 'till you see Rocky Mountian National Park in Colorado...I wish my Xtruck could do that :D

avant
2006.09.27, 06:13 AM
@Roketmini - I'd love to, but unfortunately this takes me more than a trip by car :(

It would be great to see a video of your crawler in Rocky Mountian National Park ;)

Cheers,

Jo

Roketmini
2006.09.28, 03:59 PM
Well, I'll need a camcorder and a working crawler first. I'm working on fixing up my Xtruck, I'll probably run Lego tires and whatever motor I can find. I'll probably start a thread once I have some progress made...

newbitowner
2006.09.29, 12:31 AM
@newbitowner, lilskipro587 - as my holidays are over and the workload is on a better level I'd propose a grouped order, so I'd like to have one contact in the US, who transfers the money to me, I'll order the motors here and send the lemo motors to him (and he distributes the motors in the US) - any volunteers ? :D

Cheers,

Jo

can you give us an idea how much each?
how many units are you anticipating? I may be able to send them around the US.

avant
2006.10.02, 10:27 AM
The motor will be ~ 50 USD incl shipping (very conservative) without volume discounts.
I've calculated 5 motors.

If the volume is defined I'll start negotiation with Lemo-Solar.

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.11, 08:25 AM
I'll take one of the Lemo Solar motors if there are any left.

avant
2006.10.11, 10:01 AM
@-Turbo- registered, so there's interest for actually 3 motors ...

But again we need somebody in the US, who'll take care for the transaction part as mentioned above.

Cheers,

Jo

MINIz guy11
2006.10.11, 07:12 PM
add me in there too. i need a torquey motor....... and for the distributor, i could do it but im very young so dont know if anyone trusts me

alpha_003
2006.10.11, 09:26 PM
that motor is expensive, 50 bucks huh??? well i guess it is due to it's quality. i might get one, just not right now...i have gone off on to ohter projects and drifted away from my xmods for a while. will the lemo-solar motor work on a SSMT 1/24??? i am planning on mouting BFG krawlers to it, and thought it might need extra torque....but of course, buying a LEMO-SOLAR motor would be the ultimate option.
good luck with this organizing deal and when you get em, post em!!!!

-Lino

-Turbo-
2006.10.11, 11:01 PM
Avant, I just got my xmod today and I also got the offroad kit, 4wd drive kit, and spring kit. I definately need a better motor, but it also needs a lot more ground clearance. It gets stuck very easily when trying to climb something higher than half of the tire. What do you run, and what all have you modded?

avant
2006.10.12, 12:58 AM
@alpha_003 as said - a *very* conservative calculation and according to the webshop the lemo-solar costs 29 Eur. I expect, that, the final pricing will be ~40-43 USD depending on the shipping costs. BTW the motor is swiss made ;)

@-Turbo- you've missed one item (besides the motor, which is also important), you need larger tires + rims like the Super Swampers oder cooldragons Dragon Claws - then you'll be done.
In regards to the modifications I've additionally dremeled the stoppers of the joint in the middle and some parts in the joint to make the XTruck more flexible.

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.12, 08:22 AM
Avant, I got bigger tires with the offroad kit. Is cooldragon a member here? How much do the tires and rims cost? What about on ground clearance. On mine, the truck gets high-sided very easily becase of the gear box I think. Does yours get high-sided or stuck in the middle like that? How do I do the LSSM on these? I know you already explained it, but I didn't get it at all.

avant
2006.10.13, 01:57 AM
Avant, I got bigger tires with the offroad kit.
they are not sufficient - the diameter of cooldragon's Dragon Claws are ~ 4 cm !!
Is cooldragon a member here?
Yes
How much do the tires and rims cost?
The rims are modified MA-010 rims, so they fit on the XMODS axles. For the tires I've paid 16 Eur incl. shipping
What about on ground clearance. On mine, the truck gets high-sided very easily becase of the gear box I think. Does yours get high-sided or stuck in the middle like that?
No - I cannot confirm. It doesn't get stuck very easily and as already mentioned I've also modified the swivel joint in the middle.
As already said - the tires and the motor is one of the secrets, why it goes that good.
How do I do the LSSM on these?
öhm - I don't have any LSSM mod done on the XTruck

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.13, 09:27 AM
WHat is the ground clearance on yours under the rear axel, and the front? Mines maybe close to 1 cm. How are your gears holding up? Mine click a lot during acceleration and when I am trying to climb. Do your diffs unload a lot? THe turning radius on mine is 4 ft, what is it on yours.

Sorry about all of the questions.

avant
2006.10.13, 10:34 AM
WHat is the ground clearance on yours under the rear axel, and the front?
Do you mean from ground to the bottom side of the arm or to the axle ?
How are your gears holding up? Mine click a lot during acceleration and when I am trying to climb.
Mine click not at all - maybe not correctly mounted ?
Do your diffs unload a lot?
My diffis are locked - forgot to mention :D ...
The turning radius on mine is 4 ft, what is it on yours.
My turning radius is around 3 ft, but I've modded the steering already. I've also some other mods in testing and I hope I'll achieve less than 2 ft
Sorry about all of the questions.
You're welcome - hope to hear more about your steering mods :D

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.13, 11:37 AM
I mean from middle of the axel, to the floor.

What did you use to lock the front/rear diffs? Mine don't always click, but they still do.

What did you do to mod the steering? Put on one of the different steering rods?

On the body, you know that piece of plastic that goes below the truck bed on the back? I don't know whether to cut it off or not. Wait, you have the hummer body don't you?

A better more torquey motor will definately help.

How did you make yours articulate better? I thought about totally cutting off those 2 little tabs that limit how much the back can articulate. But I don't know yet. I wish there was a way to make the front articulate better.

Thanks

avant
2006.10.13, 12:52 PM
I mean from middle of the axel, to the floor.
hm - it's actually the radius of the wheel - 2 cm :D
What did you use to lock the front/rear diffs? Mine don't always click, but they still do.
Just hot glue - this will do the job to lock the diffi completely, as I don't need a diffi in a Crawler ;)
What did you do to mod the steering? Put on one of the different steering rods?
I've demeled the stoppers and I've put a "washer" (plastic sheet, 1mm thick) under the mount of the tie rod protector
[QUOTE]On the body, you know that piece of plastic that goes below the truck bed on the back? I don't know whether to cut it off or not. Wait, you have the hummer body don't you?
I do, but I keep the body mounts completely. In the future I'll use the Kyosho mad killer body ...
A better more torquey motor will definately help.
jepp - esp a "geared" motor
How did you make yours articulate better? I thought about totally cutting off those 2 little tabs that limit how much the back can articulate. But I don't know yet. I wish there was a way to make the front articulate better.
correct, I've cut them completely off and dremeled just a very little at the interior of the joint to make it working smoother.

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.13, 01:04 PM
I might try to dremel them off then. I improved the ground clearance. I had the arms on wrong. :rolleyes: I think I will cut off the tab, I can't use the body otherwise. I will use the hotglue gun to lock it. But, how do I do that? I can't open it, so do I just put it threw the holes on the side, where the 2 sections connect? Everything is going good so far, so I will tell you if anything else happens. :) I wish the runtime was a little better. How long do you think it will be before you get the motors shipped over here to the US?

avant
2006.10.13, 01:21 PM
I might try to dremel them off then. I improved the ground clearance. I had the arms on wrong. :rolleyes:
LOL - well, that changes anything ;)
I will use the hotglue gun to lock it. But, how do I do that? I can't open it, so do I just put it threw the holes on the side, where the 2 sections connect?
Just press the hotglue deeply in all holes on both sides - this is sufficient for locking the diffi.
Everything is going good so far, so I will tell you if anything else happens. :) I wish the runtime was a little better. How long do you think it will be before you get the motors shipped over here to the US?
Well - at least I need someone, who is willing to transfer the money and who'll receive the motors. After OK'ing and the transfer of the money it'll take ~ 3 weeks.

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.13, 01:24 PM
I might have to get a different motor for now then, because the stock motor definately doesn't have enough torque.

I just drove it on my track, it ran good. It didn't get stuck as much. But, with this non-torque motor, it would still get stuck on the steep parts.

avant
2006.10.13, 05:16 PM
You're right - the right motor makes the difference ...

In the meantime I've added some blingbling parts to my XTruck - the higher weight is very positive for a better traction ...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1760-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1762-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1763-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1766-small.JPG

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.14, 10:43 AM
I think I might of messed up 2 diffs. I used hot glue first, but I had to shave so much away just to get the bushings on there, that it all came apart. :( I used CA instead. :eek: That might of been a bad decision. It doesn't go very fast forwards, the turning is even worse, and it has a hard time moving from a standstill. I think it is because of the front tires. When I accelerate, the front tires go way out to the side, and I think that is what is causing the problems. I don't know why it is doing this, but I think that means I need aluminum? I would try to make a video of it.

Edit: Your truck is looking really nice. Did you get the aluminum from atomi*mod*?

alpha_003
2006.10.14, 05:15 PM
this happened to me too, when i locked the rear diffs, it completly F***ED up my truck, but i have no idea why....i had to trim the diff too to fit the bushings but it didnt work then either. i might try it again, but i gotta buy another rear diff.
@ avant: have you heard of the SSMT 1/24 scale?? very capable crawler, just need an iwaver pcb, shock mod and taller tires and it will perform at double that of the x-truck.

-Lino

avant
2006.10.14, 06:47 PM
Sounds weird - did you glue also the bushings ? Did you have some glue on the gear maybe ? Still too much glue, so the diffis don't fit properly ?
Generally as an advise - don't use too much hotglue. Just a little is needed to lock the diffis.

@alpha_003 no - I haven't heard about the SSMT 1/24. Honestly I doubt the "double performance" - sounds like a marketing quote as it's difficult to judge. Do you have any pics / videos, etc ?
Besides that - don't forget, that 1/24 is much larger than 1/28, so it's easy to perform better on tracks with bigger rocks :D

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.14, 08:50 PM
Nope, I did not have the bushings on when I glued the diffs. It fits in there good, and seems to roll pretty good.

What should I do about the front end?

I opened up the stock motor today, I got a couple pics of wat the inside looks like if any of you want to know.

I tried putting in the stock gen 1 motor, din't work at all. I couldn't ge that stupid metal pinion thing off.

I would like a ssmt, but haven't been able to find.They look VERY capable, that high ground clearance, and the 4wd solid axels make me think it would be a very good crawler. I just don't know how I would make it articulate better.

avant
2006.10.15, 10:36 AM
Nope, I did not have the bushings on when I glued the diffs. It fits in there good, and seems to roll pretty good.

What should I do about the front end?
Pls. post some pic / upload a video to youtube, otherwise it's hard to tell, how to proceed.

I would like a ssmt, but haven't been able to find.They look VERY capable, that high ground clearance, and the 4wd solid axels make me think it would be a very good crawler. I just don't know how I would make it articulate better.

I've found some infos here on the SSMT, but honestly this seems to be more a Monster than a Crawler, but as I couldn't watch the video (doesn't work with Linux) I cannot tell more.

Generally - back to topic pls. :D

For all who are interested - a first preview of my steering-mod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyqvLYvrrK8)

This has reduced the turning radius to ~ 2 ft ...

I just need to finalize the mod ...

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 01:09 PM
Did you make the steering mod out of a bent paperclip or something? Looks good. My turning radius is like 4 ft if I get lucky. Well I can't post the video yet, because I need to charge the bats, then do the video. I will upload that photo of the motor, if any of you want to see it.

lilskipro587
2006.10.15, 01:28 PM
stupid question.... wat is the rpm on the lemo becuase i found a 130 sized motor on ebay that it cheaper than the lemo and easier to put in so i want to no the lemo rpm for comparison

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 01:50 PM
Ok, the video is done, just got to upload and a couple of other things.

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 02:06 PM
It is uploading on youtube right now.

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 02:46 PM
It's finally done. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3wyCQxhthTg

avant
2006.10.15, 03:35 PM
@-Turbo- Aaaah - first of all - don't mount the red springs without another mod (washer-mod) you should better use the yellow ones ...

@lilskipro587 - @4,8 Volt = 100 Upm But pls be advised - just use a geared motor. The usual 130-size motors don't have enough torque and are too fast.

Jo

lilskipro587
2006.10.15, 04:19 PM
yeah the one on e*b*a*y that i found says 8,000 rpm with something with a I ferrite magnets and he includes neo mags to add in llater and its 30 dollars cheaper so it might be somethin to look into

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 05:05 PM
Avant, I will switch to the yellow springs. How do I do the washer mod?

Do you use bearings? I think the bushings are allowing the cvd thing to wobble and move a lot. I attached a pic of what part i'm talking about.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5193/mso34dc1bp2.jpg

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 05:17 PM
This is kind of off topic, but how come when I try to send a pm to anybody, it says "Your administrator has disabled this feature"?

arch2b
2006.10.15, 07:03 PM
This is kind of off topic, but how come when I try to send a pm to anybody, it says "Your administrator has disabled this feature"?
the pm feature was never enabled.

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 07:08 PM
arch2b, how do I enable it?

Avant, that helped a lot. I can't believe that just changeng to a stiffer spring could do so much. It kind of makes sense though, cause when the suspension is compressed the wheels go out to one side, so if they come back and don't get hung, then it should work better.

Now I want to take off those tabs, and do the washer mod.

What is the washer mod ad what does it do.

Is there anything I should look out for or not do when I am trying to cut off those tabs?

I just need a motor now.

arch2b
2006.10.15, 07:31 PM
there is no intention of ever turning the pm feature on to my knowledge

-Turbo-
2006.10.15, 07:37 PM
So the only way I can contact someone on here is through a post or an e-mail?

avant
2006.10.15, 10:55 PM
@-Turbo- Just put a washer in the damper and you've already some initial load on the springs - but leave the yellow springs at the front (maybe the red or blue at the back) unless you've doen the steering mod.
My steering mod changes exactly this behaviour, that during driving the xmod changes to toe-out because of that stupid tie-rod design ...

BTW: just change one thing after the other and make always test drives in between - otherwise you don't know, why the behaviour of the car changes ...

Which tabs are you talking about ? The central joint or the steering tabs ?

Furthermore I'd recommend switching to ball bearings ...

@lilskipro587 This motor you've seen turns the crawler into a race-crawler - again just a geared motor is the right one ...

But you can also watch out for micro-sized sanyo-motors. They have a bigger axle, but well - this can also be changed ;)

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.16, 08:11 AM
I will switch to ballbearings.

I am talking about cutting off the 2 tabs where the rear pivots.

So I just put a washer at the top of the shock inbetween where the screw goes?

avant
2006.10.16, 09:02 AM
I will switch to ballbearings.
good decision :D

I am talking about cutting off the 2 tabs where the rear pivots.
http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1778-small.JPG

So I just put a washer at the top of the shock inbetween where the screw goes?
correct - pls have a look on the pictures I've posted in this thread - you'll find the solution there.

Jo

lilskipro587
2006.10.16, 10:23 AM
http://www.imagesco.com/catalog/motors/gearbox.html

could that be the sanyo motor? and if so how do you change the shaft size?

avant
2006.10.16, 12:24 PM
this is one of the possible Sanyo motors - keep in mind the ratio is just 1:75. A rule of thumb says 1:100 - 1:200. But it's better than the usual 130 class motors.

Here the specs of another sanyo-type motor:
http://www.teufelsmal.de/pics/pgm12.jpg

In regards to the shaft size - it's hard to change. Most of the guys, who have chosen a sanyo motor have changed the size of the hole in the pinion ...

Anyway - a good idea of "Carsten" from the rc-micro.de forum is to mount the sanyo motors in an 130 class can as follows:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/skaos/OL2.jpg

http://mitglied.lycos.de/skaos/OL3.jpg

hope that helps.

Cheers,

Jo

avant
2006.10.16, 02:51 PM
...some interesting sanyo motors (http://www.robotshop.ca/home/products/robot-parts/motors/gear-motors/gear-motors-3mm-shaft/index.html)

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.16, 04:36 PM
Do you have to use the gearbox on these sanyo motors? I was lokking at this motor.
http://www.robotshop.ca/home/products/robot-parts/motors/gear-motors/gear-motors-3mm-shaft/solarbotics-gm14-gear-motor.html
It looks like the can is the same shape.

I will knock off those tabs to.

avant
2006.10.16, 05:40 PM
Do you have to use the gearbox on these sanyo motors?
This is the secret behind the excellent torque ...
I was lokking at this motor.
http://www.robotshop.ca/home/products/robot-parts/motors/gear-motors/gear-motors-3mm-shaft/solarbotics-gm14-gear-motor.html
you should better go for the GM13a version as 150:1 ensures at least a reasonable speed. 298:1 is not properly geared
It looks like the can is the same shape.
... just look at the size ;)

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.16, 06:08 PM
So thats this one? http://www.robotshop.ca/home/products/robot-parts/motors/gear-motors/gear-motors-3mm-shaft/solarbotics-gm13a-gear-motor.html How do I use the gearbox?

-Turbo-
2006.10.16, 06:34 PM
Also I use lego tires now. The offroad ones are bigger and work better. The onroad ones are smaller and don't work as well. I have a bunch of them.

A pic of the inside of the stock motor.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3202/mso83c23rs3.jpg

avant
2006.10.17, 01:26 AM
@-Turbo- As I've posted before you can mount the sanyo motor (including gearbox) either in a 130 class can, or you have to build a mount on your own. You should keep in mind, that the motor itself of the sanyo unit is much smaller than a 130 class motor. And as you can see on the diagram of the dimensions, the unit fits well (with an additional motor mount, of course).
The only thing you need to keep in mind is that the shaft has a diameter of 3mm and that you either should use 3mm pinions or you should drill a larger hole into the pinion (not too easy).
What I also haven't checked so far is the length of the shaft - keep in mind for the XTruck I had to use steel or alloy pinions, which you have to screw on the shaft.
As the shaft is not very long maybe you have to dremel a hole in the motor mount of the xmods - you have to try this in the end.

The pain is higher than with the lemo-solar, as the lemo-solar has already a standard 2mm shaft - that's the *big* benefit of the lemo-solar motor.

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.17, 08:13 AM
So do you think it would be best for me to wit for the lemo, or get the sanyo? The sanyo looks complicated with the gearbox.

I tried cutting off the tabs, You have to cut off a lot more than just the tabs. It sure does twist a lot now! :)

Are you still running the stock FET's?

avant
2006.10.17, 08:40 AM
So do you think it would be best for me to wit for the lemo, or get the sanyo? The sanyo looks complicated with the gearbox.
Lemo would be the easier fit, that's why I've also choosen the Lemo-Solar motor.
I tried cutting off the tabs, You have to cut off a lot more than just the tabs. It sure does twist a lot now! :)
Excellent ! Are you satisfied now ? :D
Are you still running the stock FET's?
For the Lemo sufficient, but I've switched to the Kyosho ESC ...

Jo

Andre
2006.10.17, 10:53 AM
So do you think it would be best for me to wit for the lemo, or get the sanyo? The sanyo looks complicated with the gearbox.

I tried cutting off the tabs, You have to cut off a lot more than just the tabs. It sure does twist a lot now! :)

Are you still running the stock FET's?
Btw, where did you by those Lego tires? I am looking for an e-shop which is sending overseas as well (to central Europe)

-Turbo-
2006.10.17, 02:50 PM
Actually I had a bunch of old legos and I had onroad and offroad tires.

Avant, How did you use the kyosho esc with the xmods receiver? Or did you switch to overland electronics?

I am not that satisfied with the tabs being gone yet. I still need to trim a lot more off. It will twist a lot, but it binds the more you turn it. I know why it is doing it, so I just need to get back to finishing it.

avant
2006.10.17, 03:29 PM
Avant, How did you use the kyosho esc with the xmods receiver? Or did you switch to overland electronics?
I've completely exchanged the esc ...
I am not that satisfied with the tabs being gone yet. I still need to trim a lot more off. It will twist a lot, but it binds the more you turn it. I know why it is doing it, so I just need to get back to finishing it.
Well - you should read what I write - if you cut the tabs, you'll also have to dremel inside the joint a little, so it doesn't bind ...

Cheers,

Jo

-Turbo-
2006.10.17, 09:18 PM
Yeah, that exactly the part I am messing with right now.

I wish I new how to quote. :mad:

avant
2006.10.18, 03:06 AM
In regards to quoting - just use the reply button on the lower right corner in the box of your posting ;)

Cheers,

Jo

Natedog
2006.10.18, 01:22 PM
LoL a sign of Xmods quality... see his rear liscense plate on that body ;).

Truck and mods look GREAT, keep em coming!

BTW, that upside down plate is nice...if you can read this, roll me back over...lol.

-Turbo-
2006.10.18, 04:25 PM
In regards to quoting - just use the reply button on the lower right corner in the box of your posting ;)

Cheers,

Jo

Oh, heh.

Well I didn't have a dremel on hand so I have been using a drill and a small flathead screwdriver I stuck in it. :rolleyes: It works but it takes time and isn't the easiest thing to do. I got it working a lot smoother, but it still binds a little in certain spots. I think after this, the only other thing that I would want is a more torquey motor, but otherwise I think this thing is great. Especially since all of the help I got from avant. :)

Thanks

lilskipro587
2006.10.18, 11:44 PM
haha turbo i had my dremel for mine but no good bit or anything so i used a small flathead screwdriver i sharpened with my dremel lol and it worked great

Kel
2006.11.07, 08:08 AM
Avant-Do you have a turorial made for the steering link yet? I just saw your video, and the steering looks right on and there is not much toe out when the suspension is fully compressed.

newbitowner
2007.01.12, 05:47 PM
has the Lemo-motor reached the US?

avant, did you run the Lemo-motor with stock xmod fets w/any problems?

avant
2007.01.13, 02:59 AM
@Kel - due to the fact, that I was pretty busy (business, preparation of 12h race, xmas) I could't finalize the project - you can expect some news e/o this month.

@newbitowner - there was some interest (and I've received some emails), but no one wanted to setup a grouped order - Ok 45 USD for the motor is quite something (zero margin for me, just the price from the reseller + shipping and calculating the conversion) .... But still it's worth the money - that's for sure.

Cheers,

Jo

newbitowner
2007.01.14, 12:17 PM
where did you get the motor, I'm still very interested in buying one.

avant
2007.01.14, 01:43 PM
It's still the same source - www.lemo-solar.de. Unfortunately they don't ship to the US ...

Jo

avant
2007.02.11, 08:27 AM
Some news here from my XTuck:

The work on the steering is now almost done - and the results are quite good. Here's a new vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzBIEHQVWGE

The turning radius is around 65 cm now with a servo arm of 10mm. Maybe I'll increase the length of the servo arm again.

Some additional pics:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1916-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1922-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1925-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1926-small.JPG

Cheers,,

Jo

vzereeys
2007.02.11, 02:57 PM
Great job. Gotta try that.

avant
2007.02.13, 01:39 AM
Thanks vzereeys. The XTruck makes with the new esc from Kyosho and the steering mod even more fun on my garden trail.

What I've forgotten to mention - the turning radius of 65cm with my steering mod is with completely closed diffs. With the standard diffs it's less than 50 cm ...

Cheers,

Jo

TheRinger
2007.02.16, 08:02 PM
What kind of tires do U have on your xmod truck?

newbitowner
2007.02.22, 04:28 PM
What kind of tires do U have on your xmod truck?


i think those are called "cool dragon ice" tires.

arch2b
2007.02.22, 05:35 PM
What kind of tires do U have on your xmod truck?
i have a set of those if your inetersted. i never got my 1:32 man 5t truck built.

newbitowner
2007.02.22, 08:00 PM
i'll take the set of tires if he doesn't want them. ^

genome321
2007.02.22, 09:26 PM
Avant, quite impressive work. I have been stalking this thread for quite some time. I finally caved tonite and got an xmod. I don't know if anyone in the states purchased the lemo-solar from you, however I am extremely interested in acquiring one, seems alot easier to get to work rather than the micro servo mod I have seen elsewhere. Let me know what I have to do to get the motor. A

Thanks

avant
2007.02.23, 01:42 AM
@genome321 - I just wanted to send you an email, but you've turned this function off, so pls drop me an email if you're interested.

Thanks,

Jo

genome321
2007.02.23, 08:47 AM
email sent and the function is enabled now i believe

U4ICTHEORY
2007.02.23, 01:29 PM
i also have been following this particular thread for some time now. Avant, your engineering is remarkable. You've turned a mear toy into a a real hobby for xmod owners alike. I'm trying to build my own crawler and am in need of a motor...

50$ is a reasonable price concidering the achievements you've made.
please contact me when you have time, i'd like to discus things further with you.

u4ictheory@yahoo.com

thanks again, and good job.

avant
2007.02.23, 02:10 PM
@U4ICTHEORY - Thanks a lot - You have really luck, as I've just ordered the motor for genome321 and I've put a spare motor in the cart for me - will mean you ;)

I'll send you an email shortly ...

Cheers,

Jo

genome321
2007.02.24, 11:20 AM
Two questions:
1. Does anyone have a set of Dragon Claws for sale?

OR

2. Will these tires fit stock wheels? http://rpphobby.com/wheel%26tires.htm
Not sure if I can post that link so I apologize in advance.

Ninja
2007.02.24, 02:53 PM
yes the aoshima swampers do fit

genome321
2007.02.24, 03:34 PM
Nice thanks for the info

Lexus86
2007.02.24, 10:33 PM
nice truck! i had one of those. there fun little toys, but break crazy easily :D

TheRinger
2007.02.25, 06:40 PM
i have a set of those if your inetersted. i never got my 1:32 man 5t truck built.
Yeah I'll take them arch. :)

avant
2007.02.26, 02:53 AM
@U4ICTHEORY - email sent - are you still interested in the motor ?
@Ninja - have you tested the aoshima tires ? How do they compare to for e.g. super swampers ?
@Lexus86 - here nothing broke so far - this XTruck is far from being a toy ...

BTW - In the meantime I've changed the bearings of the truck - esp. the 2,5 mm bearings at the wheels. What a difference! With 3mm bearings the steering is much more precise and "direct" - the whole car feels different.

My conclusion: I cannot recommend the original XMODS bearings anymore because:
- there are 4 bearings for one inner pinion missing
- the bearings at the wheels are "open" - non-sealed
- the bearings don't have the right dimension ;)

My recommendation for the XTrucks:

12x 10x6x3mm
4 x 6x2x2mm (these are the missing ones ...)
2 x 6x3x2mm

Cheers,

Jo

Phil Burr
2007.02.26, 09:03 AM
Great MODS!!! How did you wire the steering pot to the board? Did you use the stock steering pot? I'm interested in doing some like this as I have an extra F1 board and steering pot laying around. Thanks for all this info very good work my friend!!!

Phil

vzereeys
2007.02.26, 09:26 AM
hey avant, is it too late for me to ask you for a motor?

avant
2007.02.26, 12:39 PM
@vzereeys - I just have a second reserved for U4ICTHEORY - If he doesn't take it will be yours.
I've responded to your email back in December, but I haven't heard anything from you since then ...

@Phil thanks a lot. The XTruck makes a lot of fun in my garden trail, I'm quite happy with this little crawler.
In regards to the steering pot, I've used the original XMODS one and I've combined it with a standard Z servo motor - veeery easy, as the resistance is perfectly fine for the Z board.
In regards to soldering the cables you have to use the same layout like for your stock Z steering pot.

Cheers,

Jo

Phil Burr
2007.02.26, 01:32 PM
Thanx for the info!! The xmod sterring pot has 3 wires and my F1 board has a spot for only 2 wires did you hav this same issue? Thanks for all the help this project of yours is very inspiring!!


Phil

avant
2007.02.26, 04:06 PM
Thanx for the info!! The xmod sterring pot has 3 wires and my F1 board has a spot for only 2 wires did you hav this same issue?
As I've written, you use the pot as you would use it for your Mini-Z board. Will mean solder the wires as you'd do it for your Mini-Z - with the standard AM board (like the F1-board) you bridge two pins and with the AD-board you use all three pins.

Hope this clarifies how to proceed.

Thanks for all the help this project of yours is very inspiring!!

Thanks again - wait until the XTruck is ready ...

Cheers,

Jo

vzereeys
2007.02.26, 04:38 PM
Sorry about that avant. I was extremely busy with school and when I came back, my interest faded away mostly due to micro t; but it came back once I saw this thread. My email is vzereeys@yahoo.com. Please email me if U4ICTHEORY doesn't want it. Thanks a lot avant.

johnrtse
2007.02.27, 01:26 AM
Great information in this thread!

I just want to add that bought the Nissan Titan XMOD truck last week and really like it. I had to get the 4wd, bearings, off-road upgrade, light kit, Stage 2 upgrade, and suspension upgrade too (most of the upgrades were on-sale for $5.00 each!). I got the whole shebang for quite a bit less than $100. No offense fellow Mini Zer's, but try doing that when buying a Mini Z.

I got it up and running yesterday and I must say that I really really like this truck! It has it's issues (as do ALL brands of R/C vehicles), but overall I am very pleased with it.

John

U4ICTHEORY
2007.02.27, 07:28 PM
@U4ICTHEORY - Thanks a lot - You have really luck, as I've just ordered the motor for genome321 and I've put a spare motor in the cart for me - will mean you ;)

I'll send you an email shortly ...

Cheers,

Jo


thanks, i will be waiting for it

u4ictheory@yahoo.com

avant
2007.02.28, 01:22 AM
@vzereeys - bad luck for you then, but if you can start a grouped order I'll take care for it. This is exactly the situation I wanted to avoid, that I have to order several motors compared to one big order...
If there are some others, who are interested I'm happy to do another order, but not just for one single motor.

Thanks for you understanding.

Cheers,

Jo

PS: @genome321, U4ICTHEORY your order is in process and I expect the motors this week

genome321
2007.02.28, 07:50 AM
Great sounds good Avant. The wait will give me time to prep the rest of the truck.

vzereeys
2007.02.28, 10:35 AM
Thanks anyways avant. It's my fault.

avant
2007.03.01, 01:51 AM
@vzereeys - lucky you, as U4ICTHEORY pulls back the motor is available again. If you're still interested send me an email, otherwise the motor goes straight into my second XTruck ...

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.01, 07:32 PM
Hi i have been reading your thread for a couple of months and finally decided to post something. If you make another order of lemo solars i think i would be interested in getting one. I like what you did with your xtruck, gave me a bunch of ideas. I would like to see more about your steering mod. Can't wait to see more and work on your second xtruck. O and what is the gear ratio on the lemo solars. thanks

Jim

vzereeys
2007.03.01, 07:58 PM
@vzereeys - lucky you, as U4ICTHEORY pulls back the motor is available again. If you're still interested send me an email, otherwise the motor goes straight into my second XTruck ...

Cheers,

Jo

Thats great! Can you e-mail me the payment info and your paypal addy? Thanks a lot avant.

edit: email sent. I was too excited to see the part where it says to send you an email. :D

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.02, 02:12 PM
Avant,

Hope you got my email regarding the motor. But lets face it, 50$ is a lot for a motor and for the most part i was serious about purchasing it. But regarding the other posts on the forum it seems you've already found another buyer.

hopefully we're still cool. no disrespect or offense.

to the rest of you guys, buy this motor (if you have the money) if not, can someone please tell me how the Undergroundxmods.com RT-2 modified motor is? it says no fet upgrade, high torque, low RPM, off-road motor but i haven't seen anyone use it on these forums. it's about half the price of a lemo solar and deffinitly not as good (as a crawler) as the lemo is.

also, i've seen a 3mm. 8T pinion and figured if you can get a hold of a sanyo geared motor modded into a 130 can, then you can use this pinion since the sanyo shaft is 3mm. there might have to be some kind of modding done to the motor mount however.

take all the advice you can from these forums... especially from the likes of Avant who seems to know what he's doing. prop's to the rest of you for your intuitive engineering.

i'm close to killing a Overland with my XMOD EVO TRUCK thanks to this WEBSITE.

vzereeys
2007.03.02, 09:04 PM
Hey avant, I don't know if you got my email. I sent it through the forum so I'm not sure if it went through. Please contact me at vzereeys@yahoo.com
Thanks.

avant
2007.03.03, 12:20 AM
@vzereeys - email sent ;)

Jo

vzereeys
2007.03.03, 12:40 AM
Payment sent! Also, do you have any extra metal bearings you might want to sell to me? I just need four for the front wheels. Thanks a lot avant. I truly cannot thank you enough; going out of your way for other rc enthusiasts.

jimbo
2007.03.04, 10:57 AM
I was wondering what is the width and diameter on the cooldragon tires you have?

thanks,
Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.05, 05:59 PM
I will be willing to start the group buy if there is any one else that would like to get the motor. I have just a few ???? for avant. How did you mount the motor with the alum mount? Did you have to trim the alum at all or was it a slip in with something filling the top so the strap held it in place???? Thats it for now. :D

jimbo
2007.03.05, 09:45 PM
I don't think he trimmed the aluminum he just put some plastic or hard foam to take up the extra space. And Avant How much would it cost if i got 2 lemo solars?

Thanks,
Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.05, 10:02 PM
I'm also wanting 2 lemo motors

jimbo
2007.03.06, 03:26 PM
I might be passing on the next group order for a while because i just ordered 2 sanyo motors that cost the price of a lemo. but if i get a mini z soon i will get the lemo motors.

Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.06, 04:45 PM
jimbo what is the details of the motor? keep a post of how well they work????

jimbo
2007.03.06, 09:14 PM
Ehh well i got them today and the shaft is a bit short. lots of torque. i need a shaft extender in order for it to work. if it does work i will make a tutorial on how to do it, but i don't have a mini z yet so it will be for xmods. And avant can you post a link to the post where "Carsten" on the German posted the thing about the sanyo motors, if its not to much trouble other wise its okay. Last night my dad came up with a great idea to make the sanyo motors work with the xtruck, i will keep you posted

Thanks,
Jim

vzereeys
2007.03.08, 06:08 PM
Hey avant, just got the motor. Love it :)
Also, thanks for the bearings; love those too :D

genome321
2007.03.09, 06:24 PM
Hey Avant,

Got the motor today. Many thanks, surprisingly fast shipping. Now I just need to find some free time to get this project moving.

avant
2007.03.10, 06:55 AM
Sorry for the delay, but I was the whole week on a business trip ...

Anyway - here we go:

@U4ICTHEORY - no problem ... I've checked the shop you've referred to (it seems to be very crappy) but as I don't see a geared motor, there's no comparable motor to the Lemo-Solar ...

@jimbo - in regards to the dimensions of the Dragon Claws:
diameter: 39mm
width: 12mm
The costs for 2 motors are just a little below 100 USD as I don't get a volume discount for just two motors. If I understood Lemo correctly, they'll just do a significant discount for 20+ motors ...
You'll find a description of the mounting of a geared sanyo motor in a 130 class can here: http://549.rapidforum.com/topic=102874012538 just scroll downwards

@mr2guy94 - as the Lemo-Solar is much smaller than a 130 class motor, I've just used some harder foam above and below the motor as "spacers" - that's it !
What is still important is another pinion. As already mentioned, I've used an HPI steel pinion, so no shaft extenders are necessary - I'll post some pics later ...
In regards to the group buy - I'll do *one* additional group order again - but not for just two motor pls, as this is not my business and I just do it for you freaks ...
Tell me the amount of motors and I can give an exact pricing.

@vzereeys - good to know. I was sure you'll like it :D

@genome321 - yes, I have the same issue with finding free time ...

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.10, 07:21 PM
Thanks for the info avant. my dad is letting me get one for now due to the recent purchase of my sanyo motors. so if you make another group order put me down for one. and avant i would suggest creating another tread for a giant group order of lemo solars. :)

Jim

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.12, 12:11 PM
Avant is dead right on this one...

the motor is deffinitly not a rock crawler motor. not even close. though it is advertised on the web-site as a rock crawler motor. if you are looking for a rock crawler motor this isn't the one to get. it is... very crappy for crawling.

but... it does well for what it is.

if you are building a trail rig, an off-road buggy, a muddy unimog, or an all out rally car then this is the motor you want. it has a strong torque band and excellent response. the tires just keep spinning through mud, gravel, bark, sand, grass and snow, just don't try climbing big rocks. until i get enough money together for a lemo this motor will stay in the truck.

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.12, 12:18 PM
jimbo, how are those sanyo motors doing for you? i know the shafts are 3mm rather then the standard 2mm shafts. is this complicating things?

jimbo
2007.03.12, 04:12 PM
umm i am not done with them yet. i need to get some more supplies to finish them. i might make them and sell them because i would not want you to go through the pain that i had to go through it would be about $30 to $40 depending on the cost of supplies and motor u want. but i would need a large number of people to want them because it is not a cheap thing to do, like the lemo solars.

Jim

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.12, 04:27 PM
umm i am not done with them yet. i need to get some more supplies to finish them. i might make them and sell them because i would not want you to go through the pain that i had to go through it would be about $30 to $40 depending on the cost of supplies and motor u want. but i would need a large number of people to want them because it is not a cheap thing to do.

in other words... i shouldn't have flaked on the LEMO... again... sorry AVANT. the quest for rocks is $50 away...

jimbo
2007.03.12, 04:30 PM
if u have the money get the lemo solar defiantly but if you don't then wait till i make the other motors and get one the down side is there is not a lot of speed but u really don't want a lot of speed when rock crawling.

Jim

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.12, 04:45 PM
if u have the money get the lemo solar defiantly but if you don't then wait till i make the other motors and get one the down side is there is not a lot of speed but u really don't want a lot of speed when rock crawling.

Jim

i can't decide weather i want a rock crawler or trail rig... i've been looking for rocks and inclines all around town but because i'm in the valley all i really got is dirt trails, small gravel, stuff like that. the lemo would be the best choice overall but i can't come to grips with spending that much money on a toy. i've got bigger bills to handle.

jimbo
2007.03.12, 05:01 PM
think its your last and only chance to get one if u don't want it sell it and make a fortune because there is only going to be like 20 if even that in the US.

Jim

Roketmini
2007.03.12, 08:55 PM
Avant, dunno if it's you or not, but there's a guy on the AM forum by the name of mr2guy94 who posted your test video telling people to message him if they wanted a lemo motor. I'm just curious if it is you or somone else here.

jimbo
2007.03.12, 09:13 PM
its the same guy that made the tread on here.

Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.12, 09:16 PM
Rocketmini that is me. Avant and I have came up with a group buy on the lemo-solar if you want in let me now. After about 4 week or so depending on payment I will tell Avant how many we need. Then Avant will go to lemo-solar and get a group discount cost (so the more the better). Im in the USA and willing to ship them all and keep track of the number of motors and who get what. I am going to control the payment via: Pay-Pal. I will keep in contact with Avant via e-mail. Right now they are about 50 with out shipping once we get a total number the cost will go down don't know how much yet. But the more the better. I also asked Avant if I could use his video on AM and he said yes. Thanks Mr2guy94

P.S. Read the post Lemo-Solar that I posted has more details and if you want on post there :D

mr2guy94
2007.03.12, 09:18 PM
Thanks Jimbo

jimbo
2007.03.12, 09:19 PM
if for some reason avant does make another group order i could distribute them because i live on the east cost so i am very close to Germany but i am also only 13 so u may not trust me.

Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.12, 09:41 PM
I'm 24 wow I feel old now LOL :D

jimbo
2007.03.12, 11:20 PM
don't feel sad there are millions of people older, plus i am trying to start my own site to sell/share my ideas with everyone so i was thinking if like that would do any good now that i think of it, it sound horrible.

Jim

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.13, 12:38 PM
don't feel sad there are millions of people older, plus i am trying to start my own site to sell/share my ideas with everyone so i was thinking if like that would do any good now that i think of it, it sound horrible.

Jim

i'm one of the million... going on 28... still feel like 13... it's not how old you are... it's how old you feel...

Jimbo- keep moving in a positive direction and you can't go wrong... even at 13 years old one can do amazing things...

Roketmini
2007.03.13, 06:03 PM
Rocketmini that is me. Avant and I have came up with a group buy on the lemo-solar if you want in let me now. After about 4 week or so depending on payment I will tell Avant how many we need. Then Avant will go to lemo-solar and get a group discount cost (so the more the better). Im in the USA and willing to ship them all and keep track of the number of motors and who get what. I am going to control the payment via: Pay-Pal. I will keep in contact with Avant via e-mail. Right now they are about 50 with out shipping once we get a total number the cost will go down don't know how much yet. But the more the better. I also asked Avant if I could use his video on AM and he said yes. Thanks Mr2guy94

P.S. Read the post Lemo-Solar that I posted has more details and if you want on post there :D


Ok, thanks for the clarification.

mr2guy94
2007.03.13, 06:07 PM
so rocketmini are you in for one or more????? i see you have a truck??? :D

jimbo
2007.03.13, 06:13 PM
Hey avant have any updates on your xtruck or did u get any new xmods?

Jim

Roketmini
2007.03.13, 09:42 PM
so rocketmini are you in for one or more????? i see you have a truck??? :D

I've considered one but I have no money at the moment. I'd like one eventually...wanna send me a free sample? :D

mr2guy94
2007.03.13, 09:52 PM
nope :D but I'll have 4 motors so i might sell 1 later???

jimbo
2007.03.13, 09:55 PM
And no one is going to sell their for less than $50 so i would if i were u gather up the money and get one. :D

Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.13, 11:44 PM
that is true the reason for 4 is I'm going to see if I can get a local company to make more to fit on the trucks (xmod, mini-z, and monter)???? One for my truck and 2 to resale? try to get my money back :D

vzereeys
2007.03.14, 12:19 AM
Some news here from my XTuck:

The work on the steering is now almost done - and the results are quite good. Here's a new vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzBIEHQVWGE

The turning radius is around 65 cm now with a servo arm of 10mm. Maybe I'll increase the length of the servo arm again.

Some additional pics:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1916-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1922-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1925-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1926-small.JPG

Cheers,,

Jo


Hey avant, I tried your mod for decreasing the turning radius but I ran into some trouble. When I turn, the front dog bones restrict the steering arm from turning all the way. How did you make it so that it doesn't restrict the arm?
Thanks

avant
2007.03.14, 03:16 AM
@vzereeys - I have done no mods dogbone-/knuckle-/outdrives-related. Maybe it's a mounting problem. Did you mount the Offroad-arms?

Can you pls. post a pic or a vid so I can tell more?

Thanks,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.14, 07:39 AM
Avant what did u use as your steering arm or what ever its called, it looks like a paper clip. And did u change your rims? they look different.

Thanks,
Jim

avant
2007.03.14, 09:07 AM
Avant what did u use as your steering arm or what ever its called, it looks like a paper clip.
No - it is actually an alloy servo arm.
And did u change your rims? they look different.
The rims are alloy GPM XMODS rims

Cheers,

Jo

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.14, 10:49 AM
nope :D but I'll have 4 motors so i might sell 1 later???


Alright, i finally have some money, are you still getting a group order together. please include me, the money is in hand and just need a paypal account number. i've already emailed AVANT to let him know.

mr2guy94
2007.03.14, 08:53 PM
yep and you are down for one

jimbo
2007.03.14, 10:41 PM
Hey avant you should get and xmod car and trick out with parts only available to you so everyone can bug you to buy them for them and send them here. ;)

Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.15, 01:08 AM
Jimbo I think that if it was a matter or trick parts that he would have already let us know??? :D

avant
2007.03.15, 01:16 AM
@jimbo - well, you can ask any other EU citizen, if he likes to do this with zero margin :D (take the time and do the maths...)
It's just an offer from my side to help you getting this motor - I'm far to busy going in the hobby shop business ;)

But guys - back to topic ...

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.15, 07:26 AM
Thanks avant i know how busy you are i was just trying to be a bit funny. I read through the thread again and i saw that you said you were going to change the body, are you changing it to the one you have mounted in the pictures were you are comparing the xtruck and ol?

Thanks,
Jim

avant
2007.03.15, 07:46 AM
I'm about to finalizing the body part - I have three options:

- Mad Killer whitebody
- International Scout from AMT
- GMC truck from AMT

The AMT bodies did not yet arrive, but I'll keep you posted.

Below you'll find the current pics of the motor mount:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1935-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1937-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1939-small.JPG

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.15, 07:49 AM
Where did u get the gear on the motor from because i drilled all mine out trying to get them unsuccessfully on my sanyo motors.

Thanks,
Jim

avant
2007.03.15, 08:23 AM
jimbo - This is a Team Homies pinion, but you can use HPI/ATM/Asso as they all have the same module 0.5.

Cheers,

Jo

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.15, 10:49 AM
jimbo - This is a Team Homies pinion, but you can use HPI/ATM/Asso as they all have the same module 0.5.

Cheers,

Jo

AVANT, good to see you on this early in the morning (pacific coast time)
1. Does this mean i cannot use my XMODS EVO TRUCK pinions on this motor?
2. What kind of foam is that exactly and where can i get some?
3. The soldering of the wires is not 100% clear (hate to be nit-picking but i can't solder for SH*T and need all the help i can get)

thanks in advance

avant
2007.03.15, 11:53 AM
1. Does this mean i cannot use my XMODS EVO TRUCK pinions on this motor?
Well - you can use them, but you need to extend them a little (no big deal). Generally it's safer using pinions with inbus screws. This is why I've chosen these metal pinions as they can deal better with more torque.
2. What kind of foam is that exactly and where can i get some?
Well it was packaging foam from some parts ...
3. The soldering of the wires is not 100% clear (hate to be nit-picking but i can't solder for SH*T and need all the help i can get)
Hm - what is unclear? You just solder the wires to the motor and mount it at the esc - maybe you have to change the position of the wires (on the screwed side)

Cheers,

Jo

genome321
2007.03.15, 01:00 PM
Would the pinion from a Mini T work?

avant
2007.03.15, 02:25 PM
Hm - I think so. IMHO the Mini-T has also module 0.5 - give it a try and pls report back.

Thanks,

Jo

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.15, 02:35 PM
Hm - I think so. IMHO the Mini-T has also module 0.5 - give it a try and pls report back.

Thanks,

Jo

(rambling to self)

i'm scared i'm gonna fail at installing this... no matter how easy it is...
i'm thinking of getting the kyosho 6t pinion for that added torque...
the kyosho pinion has standard 2mm shaft and i'm assuming that 2mm is the same as 0.5 (hopefully)
i'm trying to find foam that will dissipate heat.

avant
2007.03.15, 02:40 PM
i'm scared i'm gonna fail at installing this... no matter how easy it is...
Believe it is that easy - you see, I'm just an IT manager ;)
i'm thinking of getting the kyosho 6t pinion for that added torque...
the kyosho pinion has standard 2mm shaft and i'm assuming 2mm converted to metric is 0.5 (hopefully)
Sounds good - the Mini-Z pinions have all module 0.5 ...
i'm trying to find foam that will dissipate heat.
Hey we're talking about a) an excellent motor and b) about a crawler - the motor will not get hot ...

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.15, 03:27 PM
i hope i don't go crazy like i did with the sanyo motors. avant do you know where can i get the pinion because i tried searching and was extremely confused.

Thanks,
Jim

avant
2007.03.15, 03:55 PM
I've just checked the length - the standard pinion also works. You should just use some CA ...

Now I remember, why I've used the Team Homies pinion - just because of the screws *and* the 6t version - this combination can deliver more torque (currently I use 6/25 combination).

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.15, 03:57 PM
well i just realized that i drilled out my only 2 pinions and lost one so i need a new one and i am looking for one like what you got.

Jim

avant
2007.03.15, 04:04 PM
It seems, that you can also use the GPM pinions.

Cheers,

Jo

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.15, 04:09 PM
i don't know about you guys...
but i'm dying to see AVANT's LEMO-OL go head-up with his LEMO-XTRUCK in a video...




(in case this has been done and i just can't find the vid, someone post a link)

avant
2007.03.15, 04:22 PM
U4ICTHEORY - well it's a question of driving technique *but* on this track the XTruck goes for e.g. the steeper part upwards, where the OL just can go downwards ;)

No comparison at all - the XTruck definitely wins ...

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.15, 04:34 PM
thanks avant, and even though the xtruck is better no one has a life like me and admires you so we want to see what you did. :D

Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.15, 10:32 PM
did cooldragon change his name????? i cant find it???

jimbo
2007.03.15, 10:56 PM
i hope not i was going to get 2 sets of his dragon claw tires or what ever avant has.

Jim

avant
2007.03.16, 03:23 AM
sorry - cooldragon's name in this forum is .cooldragon ;)

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.16, 06:56 AM
oyeah i forgot about that, avant could you make a tutorial on how you did the steering mod because i am clueless just looking at pictures plus i want to get it right the first time.

Thanks,
Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.18, 10:02 AM
Hey Jimbo if you want I'm ordering so stuff from AM. I could order a foot of the 18 gauge wire and solder the wires on a motor for you for the amount of the wire I'll even put the stock end tabs on before I send them to you but it will only be on one motor??? So if you want all 3 done Ill have to order the 3 foot wire and I can put the stock ends on them to. Send me an e-mail if you think you want to do that???

jimbo
2007.03.18, 12:12 PM
Sounds good how much would it cost if you just got the wire and tab or what ever? cuz i could do it my self and not waste your time, plus i could use some more practice. I saw the wire is like $8 for 3 feet, and where can you get the stock tabs?

Thanks,
Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.18, 12:52 PM
I'm going to order some spare stock evo motors for loaner cars. I'm going to take the tabs off so they dont try to steal the motors. Im soldering the wires to the board.that why I'll have spare tabs. :cool: But if you want to practice on a $37 motor the have fun. I would try on something less expensive like soilder two wires together or go to wal-mart and get a cheap rc and take it apart and desolder and then resolder stuff like resistors caps stuff like that (thats what I did) but you dont have to be like me and just try on the lemo you have 3 motor to try it on :D

jimbo
2007.03.18, 05:12 PM
Well i want to practice soldering but my dad really won't let or i think he just doesn't have the time to get/find his soldering gun and watch me for hours. And how much would it be for the wire and the tabs?

Thanks,
Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.18, 05:31 PM
Just the $8 will do. I have no life so lots of free time on my hands heck I can even solder it up at work I get payed by the hour. :D The tabs I was going to pitch. So they are free. I will even test fit on my truck before I send then your way to make sure that they are long for articulation. On my truck the ony thing that stop me from going all the way around is the wires.take a look
atriculation (http://s146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/mr2guy94/?action=view&current=MPG_0378.flv)

jimbo
2007.03.18, 07:00 PM
wow mine is the same thing but not as smooth.

Jim

mr2guy94
2007.03.18, 09:44 PM
Hey when you trimed yours did you test fit to make sure that it was not rubbing on anything. If it does then trim the dark plastic parts were it is rubbing at. Also a little trick. Rub chalk on the spindle and turn were there is chalk that needs triming :D Thats why mine is smooth.

jimbo
2007.03.18, 10:58 PM
i think when i filed it down it left like little remains on the side and thats thats stopping it when i took it apart to clean it the other night i cleaned it up and it turns smoother.

Jim

avant
2007.03.19, 02:54 AM
Guys - I don't like to disturb your nice chat here, but can we stay ontopic ? Pls. move your conversation to the lemo-solar thread ;)

Thanks,

Jo

U4ICTHEORY
2007.03.19, 11:19 AM
Guys - I don't like to disturb your nice chat here, but can we stay ontopic ? Pls. move your conversation to the lemo-solar thread ;)

Thanks,

Jo

or... maybe you two should call eachother up...or use instant messages

LOL

just playing with cha...

jimbo
2007.03.19, 03:26 PM
Avant do you think lithium ions are good for rock crawling? or do they give to much power and not a good idea. sorry about the random chat.

Thanks,
Jim

avant
2007.03.23, 03:12 AM
jimbo - honestly the torque which the lemo-solar motor provides is sufficient for rock crawling. The more volts lithiums provide is preferred on race tracks - unless you have a geared motor which needs actually min. 7.2 V, then lithiums are a benefit, but why should you use a 7,2V geared motor ?

The design for rock-crawlers in the mini-z area are based on tires/motor/weight/ride hight and flexibility of the chassis.

Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.03.23, 07:21 AM
Thanks avant that saves me from spending $80 on lithiums, and charger, etc.

Thanks,
Jim

sxysweed
2007.04.14, 07:40 PM
http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1939-small.JPG

Sorry if this is an old thread. Avant, what wheels are you using to mount those? If it's non-xmod wheels, can you get a picture of how they are modified? Thanks.

EDIT: Avant, do you know if the Lemo-Solar Motor is sold in Hobby shops in Sweden, Denmark, or Norway? I might have to pick one up this summer when we go to Norway with an Xtruck for crawling compitions.

jimbo
2007.04.14, 08:20 PM
I don't believe they sell them in hobby shops and you can no longer get them for the company who made them is out of business i believe. Those rims are GPM 6 spoke black i think, i asked a while back look to see what it says.

Jim

sxysweed
2007.04.14, 09:19 PM
I don't believe they sell them in hobby shops and you can no longer get them for the company who made them is out of business i believe. Those rims are GPM 6 spoke black i think, i asked a while back look to see what it says.

Jim

The rims are modified MA-010 rims, so they fit on the XMODS axles. For the tires I've paid 16 Eur incl. shipping

The first were MA-010 rims, I can tell that, but the later are what?

If I use MA-010 rims (needed anyways) does it matter what offset I were to use?

Ninja
2007.04.14, 11:00 PM
The rims are modified MA-010 rims, so they fit on the XMODS axles. For the tires I've paid 16 Eur incl. shipping

The first were MA-010 rims, I can tell that, but the later are what?

If I use MA-010 rims (needed anyways) does it matter what offset I were to use?
my opinion is Widest offset possible (+3Wide)

jimbo
2007.04.15, 01:26 PM
Avant i saw while looking back that you are getting a GMC truck from ATM what truck are you getting?

Jim

sxysweed
2007.04.15, 03:11 PM
my opinion is Widest offset possible (+3Wide)

PN Racing Makes 3.5mm offset rims, atleast for the front. I'm looking for some 3.5mm offset wheels for the rear...

Some people don't like a wide truck, and some say it put's pressure on the axels...

You think it will be easier for me to break dogbones with 3mm of set wheels and cooldragon tyres?

avant
2007.04.15, 03:55 PM
@sxysweed - for sure you will not get the Lemo motor in Norway as Lemo has bought the last motors available on the market.
Generally there are still some motors available at Lemo but as I've already stated before I just like to do *one* group order and not more ... As you'll be in Norway you can ask the Mr. Lehnert from the Lemo shop if he'll ship within Europe.

@Ninja - you're right, I'm currently using the alloy GPM XMODS rims. Before I've used modded AWD rims.

Generally - you should use as less offset as possible to keep the turning radius smaller.

In regards to the largest offset - the rims with the largest offest come from TaGu with 4,5 mm ;)

@jimbo the GMS Truck is too large for the Hummer wheelbase, so I'll go for my favourite offroad body of my youth - the International Scout. A perfect fit for the chassis with the Hummer wheelbase.


Cheers,

Jo

jimbo
2007.04.15, 08:55 PM
Cool I saw the Scout model in some store can't remember what store but i wanted it, just didn't want it to be to big or small i might get one now.

Jim

sxysweed
2007.04.26, 05:33 PM
Avant, what offset wheels are the ones in the first few pictures with the cooldragon tyres? I bought some 1mm Off-Set MA010 (wide) rims, do you think they will be out enough for good turning and crawling?

Also, is it okay, or even good, to use 1mm more or less offset wheels in the rear?

hrdrvr
2007.04.27, 01:26 PM
^ Not avant, but I use 1.0 in front and 2.0 in the rear. Im thinking I may have to rob the wheels for one of my AWDs. If I do Itll have a different set with a 0.0 and 1.0 combo. I used it before and both seem to perform the same.

jimbo
2007.04.30, 04:24 PM
can some one give me a link to a metal pinion preferably the exact one avant has so i know it will work cuz i can't find anything.

Jim

xmodkidd33
2007.05.05, 09:53 PM
http://xmodworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=208222#208222

My project.

jimbo
2007.05.09, 09:09 PM
hey avant i was wondering if you could show how you made your steering arm because my steering stinks and the turning radius is like 5 or 6 feet maybe 7. :(

Jim

Lexus86
2007.06.28, 01:55 AM
WOW avant AMAZING truck!!!:D just thought id show you guys my little project xtruck

http://www.minizracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22696

http://www.minizracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22697

all thats really been done is a slight body lift. Really intrested in the steering mod you did though. Very cool :cool:

vrally582
2007.07.16, 08:20 PM
Hey avant, I tried your mod for decreasing the turning radius but I ran into some trouble. When I turn, the front dog bones restrict the steering arm from turning all the way. How did you make it so that it doesn't restrict the arm?
Thanks


U may try to cut the chassis and make the wheelbase shorter to make the turn radius shorter. but ... u must cut main shaft to be shorter too if u wanna keep the 4wd function. And u may need to find a new body that with shorter wheelbase too.

long wheelbase always make a larger turn but stable when go fast forward. (correct me if i m wrong)

aimfox
2007.08.12, 10:59 AM
Thanks guys - the Xtruck makes really fun and as much as I can tell now, the performance besides the known esc issues and turning radius is much better than my CrawlerZ ...
@alpha_003 unfortunately Lemo-Solar doesn't ship to the US, but maybe we can make a collective order for the forum after my return from holidays e/o September ? :D
A regular wounded motor can unfortunately not provide as much torque as a motor with additional gearing ..
Integrating another type of servo might be challenging - first I try some other mods like the Kyo esc and optimizing the mechanical part of the steering ;)

@Newbster - topless is always better :D But I still like the Mad Killer body ...

Here are some more pics:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1263-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1265-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1267-small.JPG

Cheers,

Jo
your license plate is upside down..

Aurora
2008.05.20, 05:47 PM
Hi, Avant.

Just like to express my thanks for writing this thread, and long had I been wanting to make a xmod crawler! And this post definitely serve as my inspiration. :)

Right now, I have already completed the articulation mod (just cutting the tabs off and sanding), and had just installed an AD band board to replace the stock Xmod truck board.

Q1) My question for you is whether you have used the original AD band VR and servo motor for your truck or do you continue to use the stock servo motor and stock VR with the Ad band board? Should I do a Gen 1 steering mod to decrease the radius?

My current setting is the adband with stock VR/servo motor, and I definitely is having a minimum turning radius--it was so horrible that even the EX1UR travels set to 150%, the truck will barely turn!

Q2) And I can't really tell from pictures, but do you use the lift kit with GPM parts?


Thanks in advance!

greekone
2008.05.20, 10:13 PM
The lift kit is installed on his truck.

Jace1283
2008.05.20, 10:57 PM
Hi, Avant.

Just like to express my thanks for writing this thread, and long had I been wanting to make a xmod crawler! And this post definitely serve as my inspiration. :)

Right now, I have already completed the articulation mod (just cutting the tabs off and sanding), and had just installed an AD band board to replace the stock Xmod truck board.

Q1) My question for you is whether you have used the original AD band VR and servo motor for your truck or do you continue to use the stock servo motor and stock VR with the Ad band board? Should I do a Gen 1 steering mod to decrease the radius?

My current setting is the adband with stock VR/servo motor, and I definitely is having a minimum turning radius--it was so horrible that even the EX1UR travels set to 150%, the truck will barely turn!

Q2) And I can't really tell from pictures, but do you use the lift kit with GPM parts?


Thanks in advance!


why replace the board? its a crawler... anyway the only gpm that will work with the lift kit is the differentials, which i strongly recommend for a crawler. GPM axles are not long enough. You need to get the alloy dogbones which i believe are made by hot racing. Once you get those you put a pring in the axle to push the dogbone towards the outside so it stays in the diff

greekone
2008.05.20, 11:05 PM
I've heard that you can use rear and front swing shafts with the lift kit but, I'm not sure how true that is.