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avant
2006.10.05, 02:29 PM
2 weeks ago I've received my Lit an in the meantime I've installed most of the options (XSpeed, bearings, etc)

My experiences so far:
- try to charge with a professional charger as the battery is better charged
- try to use slot tires (fine for carpet racing)
- the ad-band module (Helios) + ad-band quarz work perfectly fine with the Lit
- the combination with the Xspeed makes 17 km/h onthe Speed-Checker :eek:

Cheers,

Jo - loves his Lit and cannot wait until the Cooper will be available ...

tzero
2006.10.05, 04:47 PM
Post some pics of your LIT im thinking about getting one but im not sure.

arch2b
2006.10.05, 05:14 PM
i assume you are referring to the original cooper? the new one is already done and since the lit is still 1/28ish i doubt they will resize the new cooper for this chassis.

i think these are still too new.... that and the price is simply outrageous. i mean who is going to pay more for a smaller car?

avant
2006.10.05, 05:43 PM
i assume you are referring to the original cooper?
Well in the Lit section we're just talking about really small cars, so I'm referring to this new body for the Lit:
http://www.kyosho.com/common/image.php?id=103416

the new one is already done and since the lit is still 1/28ish i doubt they will resize the new cooper for this chassis.
Who's really interested in a BMWish Cooper :D ?

i think these are still too new.... that and the price is simply outrageous. i mean who is going to pay more for a smaller car?

Real fans of really small cars, who are waiting for ages for a Fiat 500 or a "real" Cooper :D

Cheers,

Jo

HammerZ
2006.10.05, 06:24 PM
Now that has me looking into the Lit.

cdog4w
2006.10.05, 07:31 PM
Any word on a balldiff avant?

Greenstem
2006.10.06, 11:45 AM
Hi Avant

What's the price and where are you located. I thought the LIT wasn't going to be released in the states until the end of october.

thanks

avant
2006.10.06, 05:08 PM
@cdog4w - I've heard nothing so far about a balldiff, but after racing for some time, the standard-diff got better and better. I'm missing more a real damper, but I'm working on my own version ...

@Greenstem - I'm located in Germany, but I've ordered the Lit in Japan. Pricing with all options included ~ 218 USD :-(

Jo

herman
2006.10.09, 02:17 AM
i think these are still too new.... that and the price is simply outrageous. i mean who is going to pay more for a smaller car?

hmmm... i wonder how much you spent on your 1/32 mini carpet racer...
:confused: :D ;)

http://www2.mini-zracer.com/albums/album585/IMG_1863.sized.jpg
http://www2.mini-zracer.com/gallery/album585/IMG_3480
http://www2.mini-zracer.com/gallery/album585/IMG_1120
http://www2.mini-zracer.com/albums/album585/IMG_0805.sized.jpg

more pictures here: :D
http://www2.mini-zracer.com/gallery/album585

avant... mind posting a review? how does it stack up against a stock (out of the box) mini-z mr-01 or 02???

thanks for any response... :D

avant
2006.10.09, 02:21 PM
@herman: I haven't tested the Lit - due to lack of appropriate tires - on our race track so far, but as a brief review:

positive:
- very detailed body - a new diamond in my collection

- classic Mini Cooper body available in the near future

- the diffi is better than the Epoch one - esp. with some Asso grease ;)
http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1722-small.JPG
excellent cornering and even with the Fiat 500 body - excellent at the straights
Nevertheless - still waiting for a ball diffi ...

- very fast (with Xspeed):D

- easy to handle

- excellent plastic quality

- good/responsive servo saver

- very easy to disassemble

- works with AD module + AD Quartz

- great fun on the track

negative:
- made in China ... (for that pricing)

- crappy charger (easy to modify it for usage as a accu charging box for better hobby chargers)

- double-face tape for the tires are needed (on carpet)

- the knuckles aren't working that smooth - so the kingpins needed some polish - alternatively you can buy the tuning kingpins ;)
The knuckles are very thin, so I frear they'll break in race, but I had even after some crashes with furniture no problem.

- the additional tire set LIT001 is useless as they have the same shore į like the standard ones

- some rims got already loose, but you can fix it with a piece of paper ot ultra-thin alloy

- the motor clip is also very thin, so I fear this will break soon after some open-close actions.

- the accu holder is very proprietary and the battery lasts with the Xspeed just 5-6 min, so I'm already working on a 310 mAh Lipo-solution

- crappy circle antenna - needs to be replaced by a standard straight one


As a summary - most of the negative points are easy to fix and of course it's a little expensive, but honestly if can afford it I would go again the little racing-devil ...
A lot of pros an cons, but on the track it's really fun chasing the Fiat around the corners. I really love my Lit and it wil definitey not disappear in my "body" collection - it has to go racing ...

A big, big plus - my wife loves the 500 ("it's so cute"), so the WAF increased heavily :D

Cheers,

Jo

bnwhtlw
2006.10.09, 02:27 PM
Do you think the tires would work on an epoch wheel?

If you have time Id love to see detailed pics of it w/o a body

Thanx!

avant
2006.10.09, 03:05 PM
Do you think the tires would work on an epoch wheel?
Nope - as the Epoch has the little stripe in the middle (XMODS-like). The inner diameter is nearly the same, but the outer diameter is much larger ...
For excellent racing tires for the Epoch ask cooldragon here in the forum ...
If you have time Id love to see detailed pics of it w/o a body
Here we go - enjoy :
http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1758-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1750-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1753-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1756-small.JPG

http://mitglied.lycos.de/speczetti1/bit-racer/IMG_1757-small.JPG


Cheers,

Jo

cdog4w
2006.10.09, 03:45 PM
Great pics, thanks. So since it seems like you have an epoch, can you check to see if the lit diff will drop into the epoch or will it require major mods?

avant
2006.10.09, 04:20 PM
@cdog4w - just compared the two diffis - the Lit's diffi is bigger (all dimensions), the diameter of the axle is larger - the wheelbase is larger.

Well I assume, that the mods will be significant and I doubt, that it'll work - sorry :-(

Jo

LBRC
2006.10.09, 07:30 PM
Hmm,

Actually Iím thinking the diff is showing real potential since Iím not looking for a one to one swap axle lengths and motor mount dimensions can be changed.

http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album121/11_G.jpg

itís more the outside diameter of this piece

http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album133/hub_diameter.jpg

and the other side of this one

http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album133/diff_part.jpg

that Iím interested in.

cdog4w
2006.10.09, 09:31 PM
/me warms up paypal. I still owe you a mount back too LBRC. I have NOT forgotten :|

herman
2006.10.11, 02:21 AM
avant...
thanks again for the nice review and pics... so from the underside, it looks like there are only two chassis lenghts... how long is the wheelbase? can you post pics of the lit side by side vs a mr02 or mr015? like against the short wheelbased lancia or newer porsche 934? curious as to what scale it really is... (i remember reading it somewhere, but forgot)... thanks again... :D

avant
2006.10.11, 09:49 AM
... there's no need to post pictures (I'm just on a business trip :D) - just read the Kyosho website. There are 2 mounting options and different lengths of carbon suspension parts:

Total length
Approximately 100mm
Full-width
48~52mm
Total height
26mm
Gland clearance
3.5mm
Wheel base
65~78mm
Tread (F/R)
42.5~46mm
Tire (F/R)
## 18◊5.5mm
Gear ratio
5.16、4.43:1
Gross load
Approximately 100g
Motor
SH030 class

Cheers,

Jo

arch2b
2007.08.05, 05:25 PM
anyone still trying to tune these? i must admit that mine has not moved in months :(

marc
2007.08.12, 11:13 PM
Hey arch, I haven't exactly "tuned" my Lite, but it does have all the optional parts available from Kyosho, including the Tagu wheels. It does seem to make some improvment, the ball bearings and the Xspeed motor are the most noticable improvments as the car is faster. But it's handling, well, that's still questionable. It does handle very well on the RCP track, but the Mini Cooper has the tendency to flip on turns.

mikez
2007.11.23, 05:02 PM
does anyone know if this could be the mini future

marc
2007.12.14, 09:28 PM
I don't think so. First, the car's were too expensive for the average Z-er, thus their populariety wasn't there. Second, nobody but Kyosho made any upgrades for these cars with the exception of Tagu making some alloy rims, if you want to call that an upgrade. And third, though not sure if it's as valid, they only gave us four bodies to choose from. The Morris Mini Cooper, The Fiat 500, the Daiehu Copen, and the Morris Mini Cooper Monte Carlo. Not that these aren't bad choices, but I think many people would have liked to see much more options for the Lite, but only if the prices on the Lite went down enough so that the average Joe could afford theme.
I've upgraded my Lite with every option Kyosho made available and had fun racing it at the local RCP track, but quickly lost interest in it. Still keeping it on the shelves as part of collection.................