PDA

View Full Version : Does anyone prefer the MR-015 over the MR-02


bnwhtlw
2006.11.22, 12:49 AM
Just wondering. I just got a MR015 tonight and out of the box I like it better than the 02. Thats me and Im new, but I know what I like.

Anyone?

LBRC
2006.11.22, 02:14 AM
A lot would depend on the body, how you like to drive, and what you are driving on. It’s true that the vast majority of formal races are won by highly tuned mid mount MR-02’s but what does that have to do with out of the box fun for the much larger number of people who my drive there cars every day but never even drive on a track or compete in a formal race at all.

Not going to win any races but this MR-15 Porsche didn’t get so dirty sitting on the shelf, and the old MR-01 behind it is not only fun to drive but can turn some very respectable lap times.

FrankW1029
2006.11.22, 03:43 AM
i have the 01 and 02. I found myself running the 01 more because of the bodyroll which's not great for performance, but a little more fun. The 02 sometimes gets too predictable because it handles soo well.

SaiTam
2006.11.22, 07:06 AM
If you are not too serious about racing or if you are racing at a slippery track, the 015 offers more flexibility for body choices and is more fun to drive with the body roll.

If you race on a high traction surface stick with the MR02.

I like both and If I'm not racing I like the 015 better. I can run 86mm Porsche body to 106mm MiniVan bodies with 015.

arch2b
2006.11.22, 09:11 AM
if your going to the dow regional, gasman has proven you can still be very tuff competition with an mr-01 even :)

marc
2006.11.22, 09:43 AM
Any compairisons to the AWD? I am planning on bringing both my AWD and MR02 to the local races in Fountain Colorado and was wondering which will gvie me the better chance on a CRP track. Forgive me if I have the name of the track wrong. I know it's something like that.

Ninja
2006.11.22, 10:24 AM
the 015 and the ma-010 are the only 2 chassis I have never owned, only briefly got to drive a friends ma-010 and he never brought it again. He bought it to put on a shelf, just brought to demo. I have never driven an 015. they are both in my next-buy list with the ma-010 being the first.

bnwhtlw
2006.11.22, 10:26 AM
I can tell you right now, my AWD is my racer of choice. I absolutley love the way the thing corners. Im just learning how to tune, but I can tell you this. I MUCH prefer the AWD to the MR02. Im still not sold on the MR02 at all. I cannot drive it nearly as well as my AWD. I currently run everything stock cept alloy pinion, motor mount, motor cover and bearings. That will change around xmas.

To note, The MR015 and MA010 both have a signifigantly higher center of gravity, so they will roll. They are more likley to roll depending on the body. My AWD likes to flip if its nudged just the wrong way.

Ninja
2006.11.22, 10:44 AM
I know about the rolling, I am currently building another 01, and have had and raced several of them in the past. I have a few setups for 01's up my sleeve from my old 01 racing days that I am sure will work on the 015 and 010 as well. I started racing Mini-Zs before the 02 even came out. :D

besides, I have traction rolled an 02 :D takes alot of speed, and alot of grip, but it will roll, even with my MCL and Enzo bodies.

bnwhtlw
2006.11.22, 10:46 AM
I was actually telling the other dude, but no biggie. Yeah Im gonna try something tonight. Im gonna put a lower body on the 015 and see what happens.

builthatch
2006.11.22, 10:57 AM
I was actually telling the other dude

that's what quotes are for! haha

bolter9
2006.11.22, 11:19 AM
if your going to the dow regional, gasman has proven you can still be very tuff competition with an mr-01 even :)


That's the truth right there- skill matters more then chassis type.

Most people probably won't even notice the difference between an MR-015 and MR-02, if they're driving similar bodies.

HammerZ
2006.11.22, 11:40 AM
I agree with alot of what has been posted here. Out of the racers (MR01, MR01.5, or MR02), I like the MR01.5 the best.

The MR02, to me feels dead to the controls. I think it has to do with the laydown battery, it sets the weight wide and makes the car fight the turning forces. As a result a slower cornering response.

The MR01.5, with the MR01 style battery layout and MR02 everything else. The batteries are closer to the centerline of the chassis. Makes the car turn on a dime.

Watch figure skating and as the skater enters the spin. Watch and they hold there arms in close to there body. They spin fast. When the exit, they let there arms go out and slow down. This is the same idea.

The MR01, to me just feels front heavy, after running the MR02 or MR01.5.

The MA01, is just a whole other animal. I can't really compare it to the racers.

I think any of these are good cars in there own way, each and every one.

HammerZ
2006.11.22, 11:53 AM
I agree with alot of what has been posted here. Out of the racers (MR01, MR01.5, or MR02), I like the MR01.5 the best.

The MR02, to me feels dead to the controls. I think it has to do with the laydown battery, it sets the weight wide and makes the car fight the turning forces. As a result a slower cornering response.

The MR01.5, with the MR01 style battery layout and MR02 everything else. The batteries are closer to the centerline of the chassis. Makes the car turn on a dime.

Watch figure skating and as the skater enters the spin. Watch and they hold there arms in close to there body. They spin fast. When the exit, they let there arms go out and slow down. This is the same idea.

The MR01, to me just feels front heavy, after running the MR02 or MR01.5.

The MA01, is just a whole other animal. I can't really compare it to the racers.

I think any of these are good cars in there own way, each and every one.

bobbyz
2006.11.22, 01:37 PM
i'm thinking along the same lines as hammer with the battery orientation effect. what i've done is set up an mr015 with one of those funky 3racing midmount motor mounts that lets you also run 94mm bodies. i'm using the jgtc calsonic body w/ wide wheels all the way around. although i haven't run on RCP i'm starting to like this car better than my mr02. i think both pn and atomic make a midmount motor mount that can be used for 94mm bodies as well. the 3racing was just less expensive for my first experiment. so far i have a very diffacult time traction rolling even when i'm intentionally trying to flip it over in a corner. so.... i like the the mr02, but i think the mr015 can be just as good a racer, maybe better with a proper setup.

bnwhtlw
2006.11.24, 01:53 AM
I got some serious track / tuning time this eveing. I must say that I MUCH prefer the MR-015 to the MR-02. At least with the 934 body, I have yet to try it on something else. Of course I found that it is possible to roll this car, it is also possible to keep that under control with careful throttle control into and out of a turn.

I really like the way the MR015 responds. I took the MR02 and set it up very close to the Mr015 (tires, springs ect) and simply switched the body. I found that I can take much tighter turns with the MR015.

Anyway...I prefer the MR015 934 and I think I may try to race with it. Its so nimble and agile, it would be great on a technical track.

avant
2006.11.24, 02:15 AM
@bnwhtlw - sounds reasonable to me as I had on carpet the same experience, but still my 02 is faster with the right body and setup.
What setup are you racing ?

Cheers,

Jo

bnwhtlw
2006.11.24, 10:20 AM
...What setup are you racing ?

Right now Im racing my AWD. I LOVE how it takes turns so tight and no push. But I really do love the 934. If what I read on here is true, I will have to race this in HFAY next season as the 934 MR015 has the upgraded the fets.

I had no idea about this when I bought the readyset. Lucky me though.

arch2b
2006.11.24, 10:36 AM
hfay season 3 will allow the 3010 fets that come with the new cars. you are also allwoed to upgrade existing 3004 fets to the 3010 fets, single stack of course.

SaiTam
2006.11.26, 10:58 AM
This is my MR-015, very fun to drive with a PN RM mount and 3 racing damper(adjustable from 86mm to 94mm)

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/IMG_5802.JPG

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/IMG_5800.JPG

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/IMG_5799.JPG

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/IMG_5806.JPG

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/IMG_5809.JPG

HammerZ
2006.11.26, 02:42 PM
Ahh, the old 911 body. That is what I tried my MR015 with first. That body is next to nothing, so I know that chassis/ body combo is very responsive indeed.

marc
2007.01.16, 10:35 AM
I just got my Mini Cooper MR15 last Friday and I like it. Got many good parts on the way for it. It will most likely be my number 1 racer.

hrdrvr
2007.01.16, 11:32 AM
hmm, this thread gives me hope. ive never run an 015, nor have i seen one in person. by the looks of the pics ive seen the cg is a lot higher. i woudlnt think it could handle as well as an 02, since the batts are practically on the ground in those. ive been wanting to get a porsche, but none fit on the chasis' i have. maybe ill have to be on the lookout for a used 015 to play with.....

byebye
2007.01.16, 11:39 AM
hmm, this thread gives me hope. ive never run an 015, nor have i seen one in person. by the looks of the pics ive seen the cg is a lot higher. i woudlnt think it could handle as well as an 02, since the batts are practically on the ground in those. ive been wanting to get a porsche, but none fit on the chasis' i have. maybe ill have to be on the lookout for a used 015 to play with.....

Shoot me an email thru the forum. I have an mr-015 I can give you a good deal on.

The mr-015 is a good chassis for the older narrower bodies. I liked running with a mclaren or bmw body. The narrower front allows you to run a slightly less offset from 0 degrees on the mr-02. This means on the bmw and mclaren you won't throw tires as easily.

-Byebye

FrankW1029
2007.01.17, 06:56 PM
i'm interested in that mr015 byebye. :)

byebye
2007.01.18, 02:19 AM
i'm interested in that mr015 byebye. :)

Shoot me an email thru the forum.

-Byebye

FrankW1029
2007.01.24, 09:56 PM
SaiTam, do you have problem with the mr015 flipping over with your setup? I saw one guy ran the 934 at the local event and at one higher speed corner he flipped few time off the track. I'm planning to run my painted GT3RS with the mr01 chassi. wondering what setup is best to prevent excessive flipping.

crazyracer
2007.01.25, 11:03 AM
Hey guys, from this week end, you can throw away all the MR015 chassis, but you still can run MR015 wheel base on MR02 chassis. PN have new parts release this week end.

arch2b
2007.01.25, 12:16 PM
the biggest problems with mr-015 bodies on the mr-02 are the offset at the front wheels and the narrowness of the body against the wider mr-02. i don't see how any parts could solve this problem with th exception of increased negative offset wheels, but there are limits to how much that can be done.

other issues regarding wheelbase options would be as simple using the correct h plate since the mr-015 and mr-02 share the rm and mm rear ends.

could you clarify what pn intends to release?

benmlee
2007.01.25, 01:12 PM
the biggest problems with mr-015 bodies on the mr-02 are the offset at the front wheels and the narrowness of the body against the wider mr-02. i don't see how any parts could solve this problem with th exception of increased negative offset wheels, but there are limits to how much that can be done.

could you clarify what pn intends to release?

The min offset wheel you can fit is a 0 offset. Even then, the front of the MR02 has a build in 2.5mm offset. I tried using a narrow bearing from Duratrax. It is .5mm narrower than the standard bearing to give a negative .5mm offset. However, the wheels rubbed on the knuckle and comes too close to the suspension uprights. I would be curious to see how anyone can fit a negative offset wheel in the front. If PN is going to release something to solve this problem, that would be great.

HammerZ
2007.01.25, 04:47 PM
Hey guys, from this week end, you can throw away all the MR015 chassis, but you still can run MR015 wheel base on MR02 chassis. PN have new parts release this week end.

I'd like to see what PN has to allow a Lancia Stratos body to fit the MR02 chassis. That one I know for a fact that the lay down batteries are in the way of the rocker panel area. The 935s are tight in that area, but I have seen the squeeze jobs posted.

crazyracer
2007.01.25, 06:23 PM
This is the MR015 Tower Bar set on MR02 chassis, you need change to the MR015 Tie Rod, and the width of the belly of the body must atleast 59mm, so couple bodies may be not fit.

arch2b
2007.01.25, 06:28 PM
ver interesting. so a new front end for the mr-02 chassis! now that is an innovative idea. now, pn should offer varying deg. of caster as the jpl tower bars do.

color01
2007.01.25, 10:32 PM
That's a worthy investment, we can even run wides up front now for the narrow MR02 shells. How far can the front clip be lowered with a setup like this (sometimes chassis lowering just isn't enough...)?

pchan0
2007.01.25, 10:56 PM
This is the MR015 Tower Bar set on MR02 chassis, you need change to the MR015 Tie Rod, and the width of the belly of the body must atleast 59mm, so couple bodies may be not fit.

Is this Philip Ng? Are you coming to the Toronto, Canada race? Will you also bring some stocks of PN parts? :)

byebye
2007.01.26, 03:46 AM
This is the MR015 Tower Bar set on MR02 chassis, you need change to the MR015 Tie Rod, and the width of the belly of the body must atleast 59mm, so couple bodies may be not fit.

That is exactly what a lot of us need to run those mr-015 bodies.

350z is a light weight but too narrow

vaxhaull is such a cool car but again too narrow and likes to roll on the mr-015.

I'll be adding that to my arsenal when it comes out.

-Byebye

hrdrvr
2007.01.29, 04:26 PM
Shoot me an email thru the forum. I have an mr-015 I can give you a good deal on.

-Byebye

sorry i didnt get back to you on this, i lost this thread :rolleyes: i hope Frank grabbed it up though, as i dont have the money to spend right now.


@crazyracer - thanks for sharing the heads up on that set up.

FrankW1029
2007.01.29, 06:10 PM
^nah, I didn't pick it up. I bought a stock 015 chassi instead.

avant
2007.01.30, 12:30 AM
Once again - the MR015 is not a bad chassis at all will mean - if you really invest some time into testing you'll find a setup that's excellent and will reduce flipping heavily, like my Mini Cooper already described here in the forum. It really sticks to the ground and of course if you're going too fast into long curbs you can manage to flip this car like you can flip any other MR02 ...

So it's not a problem of the 015 but more of a proper setup ;) I know it's not easy ...

Cheers,

Jo

FrankW1029
2007.01.30, 03:40 PM
been testing the mr015 on short carpet. I tried taking a hard corner at full speed, no flipping problem at all with the GT3RS body. :)