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marc
2007.01.16, 01:19 PM
Hello. I'd like to know just how much fun the Lit is. Is it worth getting? I've been told it's not competetive agains other Mini-Z's, but is it fast enough to have it's own class of racing? Is it Mini-Z fast, or Epoch slow?
I plan on getting the new red original Mini Cooper to go along with my MR15 as stated in other threads.
I'd like to see photo's of other people's Lit's including any mod's they've done, custom body paint jobs, or whatever.
I'm seriously hoping that GPM and others will make custom alloy wheels for the Lit cause if you ask me, the stock wheels are ugly. There are alot of nice custom wheels for the real original Mini Cooper and some replica's of those would be nice.
Also, just how big is the Lit exactly? Anybody have a comparison shot between the Lit and regular Mini-Z?

reycer
2007.01.16, 09:28 PM
Hello. I'd like to know just how much fun the Lit is. Is it worth getting? I've been told it's not competetive agains other Mini-Z's, but is it fast enough to have it's own class of racing? Is it Mini-Z fast, or Epoch slow?
I plan on getting the new red original Mini Cooper to go along with my MR15 as stated in other threads.
I'd like to see photo's of other people's Lit's including any mod's they've done, custom body paint jobs, or whatever.
I'm seriously hoping that GPM and others will make custom alloy wheels for the Lit cause if you ask me, the stock wheels are ugly. There are alot of nice custom wheels for the real original Mini Cooper and some replica's of those would be nice.
Also, just how big is the Lit exactly? Anybody have a comparison shot between the Lit and regular Mini-Z?

Hello Marc,
Ok I have a lit.. It is about 3 days old. I can probably answer some of your questions. The lit I have is the one you are looking at purchasing, the Red Mini Cooper Morris. The dimensions with the body - width just shy of 2" x 4.25" Are they as fast as a stock AWD mini z?... I would say in the neighborhood maybe a touch slower (this is a guesstimate could be just as). They are made in China. The batteries are 4.8v 150mah ni-mh... The battery form factor looks pretty proprietary... The odd thing is the base of the plastic case the car is packaged in, is used to charge the battery. (don't like that) 15 minutes or so to charge. Run time is more than you would get with a micro t... I did not time it though... Here is the biggest disconnect with the mini z's... It runs FM 27mhz crystals. That really isn't bad I like FM much better just a hassel with radios. I am not a fan of RTR radios and the one that came with it is no exception. Driving the car with the RTR radio is really sensative. You can't take out dual rate etc... I use a helios radio for all my mini z's and would need a 27mhz module to use my radio... That blows... For the money? If you are comparing to what you get with a mini z. I would vote for a traditional mini z. As an enthsiasts... I am happy and glad I have one... there will be hopups etc you can mess with.. and would be great fun with other lits or maybe some mini z's if you are a good driver. I just have to work out this radio issue.

Ninja
2007.01.16, 10:45 PM
TAGU has made wheels for these LIT cars. Check out the TAGU parts thread ;)

avant
2007.01.17, 01:28 AM
Here is the biggest disconnect with the mini z's... It runs FM 27mhz crystals. That really isn't bad I like FM much better just a hassel with radios. I am not a fan of RTR radios and the one that came with it is no exception. Driving the car with the RTR radio is really sensative. You can't take out dual rate etc... I use a helios radio for all my mini z's and would need a 27mhz module to use my radio
Just to remind you - you'll need the AD-Band module and not the 27 MHz FM module for the helios...

In regards to speed - with the smaller 6t pinion and the XSpeed motor my Lit makes ~20 km/h on the speed checker, so it's on the level of a competitive Mini-Z - do you need more ? No prob - just take some turns from the motor ...

If it makes fun ? Yes, of course, but you'll need better rear tires - like silicon ones or foam tires ...

Cheers,

Jo

Ninja
2007.01.17, 01:32 AM
does anyone make aftermarket tires for the Lit?

marc
2007.01.17, 09:13 AM
Thanks guy's. It seems for a racer's point of view, the Lit is not worth it. But from a collectors point of view, it is worth it. Also probably worth it if you don't have space in your house to race a normal sized Mini-Z. That's what I love about my Micro-T. It's perfect for my house.
I have noticed that at At@mic M@d's website, they already have a few optional parts for the Lit. Example, they have a blue chassis kit, carbon rear H-bar, front springs, X-speed motor, and ball bearings. If I get a Lit I of coarse plan on getting those parts.

marc
2007.01.17, 09:14 AM
TAGU has made wheels for these LIT cars. Check out the TAGU parts thread ;)

Really? I'll have to check theme out. I can't stand the stock wheels on the Lit. I bet the Tagu's are sweet. Can we get some in the shop? Where can I find the Tagu parts thread?

arch2b
2007.01.17, 09:43 AM
marc,
all you have to do is veiw the threads for this section.... if it's not in the most recent, change the view date to begining since there are nto many threads to begin with. you scare me sometimes with questions like that :rolleyes: :p
short cut....
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23418

if you want them from the shop here, submit a support ticket as usual. there is no need to post a request since the support ticket system is ment to replace that.

marc
2007.01.17, 01:13 PM
Well thanks arch. I have searched and I could not find the thread for the Tagu Lit wheels. Thanks for the link though.
Just looked at thread, WOW! Sweet rims, thanks a mill Tagu!

marc
2007.01.18, 01:23 PM
The more I think about it, the more I don't think those particular wheels will look good on the Mini Cooper. The Mini Cooper needs some classic old school rims like the Mini Lit's also known as Panasport rims, or BBS meshed pattern wheels. However, I bet those styles will be hard to machine out of aluminum.
Question to Reycer. Does the Mini Cooper have the long, or short rear suspension arm? Reason I'm asking is At@mic M@ds has carbon fiber replacement's for those and they offer both the short and long peices. I need to know which one the Cooper has. Can you post pictures of the Cooper next to a regular Mini-Z?

arch2b
2007.01.18, 01:34 PM
if this is for fun as the topic suggests, don't spend money on tuning parts as it will not be good for racing no matter mow much money you dump into it. the cg is just too high and it goes too fast for it's size.

enjoy if for what it is, a fun inhouse toy. i highly doubt you will ever find a class to race these do to the cost alone. if these were the same cost as an epoch, then it would be a different story but that is not what your discussing :o

you stand a much better chance racing the crt and wws, both of which have more race oriented chassis designs.

marc
2007.01.18, 01:37 PM
True, but not to many CRT's an WWS's where I am. The Lit will more likely become popular here I'm guessing. I'm hoping my LHS will offer theme, cause I know how popular the Micro-T was. They sold their entire stock durring Xmas and we can still get all the optional and spare parts.
Perhaps the only upgrade needed on the Lit will be a set of ball bearings.

arch2b
2007.01.18, 02:28 PM
unfortunately, i think that is vast over optimistic thinking and highly unlikely for numerous reasons the least of which being the micro-t is afforable and obviouos great fun where as the lit is over twice that cost and not even race worthy really due to cg, wheelbase, trackwidth.

you will be hard pressed to find any lhs with any real qnty of lit's in stock, if any. kyosho simply put priced themselves out of any real market.

i understand your ambition, however misplaced it is. your comparing apples to oranges though....

marc
2007.01.18, 05:08 PM
Yea, that's me. I still want one:)
The only two Mini-Z series I have not had are the Overland, and the F1. I have owned all other's though from the MR01, Monster Truck, MR02, and AWD. The Lit will be my next purchase.
I decided that this will be year for collecting ready-sets and/or bodies and possibly wheels. I will try and avoid hop-ups this year as they take most of my money. I think because of my interest in the Lit, I will hold off on getting parts for my MR15. I need to race it stock first, then get ball bearings, then we'll see. No matter what car you get, ball bearings should always be the first upgrade. I know they made a big difference with the Micro-T. And your right, the Micro-T is a lot of fun simply because it's kind of off-road and can jump pretty good. It's a lot more useable in the house than my other Z's.
This year, starting with the MR15 Cooper I just got, it will be all ready-set's and/or bodies for me! I think the Lit will be my second purchase very soon with a set of ball bearings! Happy Z's!

marc
2007.01.18, 09:29 PM
Ok, I bit the bullet and purchased a Lit on ebay. Now I just need my stupid PayPal account to be re-activated so I can pay for it. I think the only upgrades I'll do it will be ball bearings.
One question, how come no mirrors on the original Mini Cooper? I know I've seen original Morris Mini Cooper's with theme. Too tiny for reproduction maybe? Anyway, I'm anxiously waiting for mine to arrive. Should be great fun in the house. I also discovered from the same seller that the Mini Cooper body set is available. I might get one of those as well for display purposes. It should be recommended that if you get a ready set, get a spare body of the same car. One for race, and one for display.

marc
2007.01.19, 11:43 AM
Got a question about the Lit's wheels. If I understand it right, they are mounted similar to Epoch's wheels? I noticed in photo's that the lug-nut is hidden. If so, can it be possible to use the Epoch wheels on the Lit?

marc
2007.01.23, 01:37 PM
Just sent payment to my ebay seller. So I should be getting my new Mini Cooper Lit soon, hopefully by Saturday so I can take it to the local track. Although it'll more likely be Monday before I get it.

marc
2007.01.26, 03:00 PM
Holly Cow! I just received my Mini-Z Lit this morning! Fast shipping from Japan. They sent it out Wenseday, and I got it already! I love it! I charged it up, and everything works perfectly!
Here are some photos compairing my MR15 Mini Cooper S with my new ML-010 Morris Mini Cooper.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05477.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05478.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05480.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05481.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05482.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05483.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05484.jpg
"I shall call him, Mini-Me..."

marc
2007.01.26, 04:56 PM
Cool, just finished making my own carbon fiber suspension plate for Lit.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05487.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05488.jpg
and top view
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC05489.jpg

Works ok, but not 100% perfectly lined up. I'm better off getting the Kyosho upgrade.

reycer
2007.02.25, 12:55 PM
The more I think about it, the more I don't think those particular wheels will look good on the Mini Cooper. The Mini Cooper needs some classic old school rims like the Mini Lit's also known as Panasport rims, or BBS meshed pattern wheels. However, I bet those styles will be hard to machine out of aluminum.
Question to Reycer. Does the Mini Cooper have the long, or short rear suspension arm? Reason I'm asking is At@mic M@ds has carbon fiber replacement's for those and they offer both the short and long peices. I need to know which one the Cooper has. Can you post pictures of the Cooper next to a regular Mini-Z?


Hi Marc,
Sorry been out of the country... The mini suspension arm is smaller. My house got broken into and my camera with it. I will try to post some images next week. Unfortunately on my way out of town in an hour. BTW - I did add some items to my mini cooper - bearings, carbon fiber rear suspension arm, top strut and the mod engine from kyosho. The suspension is much smoother not as smooth as the regular size mini z but noticeably better... Traction rolls now Today just received the Diatsu.. longer wheel base, longer bottom suspension arm. I will keep this stock and compare to the mini.

I believe you have one now? You like'n it? Sorry for the delayed response

Rey :

marc
2007.02.26, 09:20 PM
Hi there reycer, yes I do have one. I can find most of the parts for the Lit on line, but where did you find the top strut?
Anyway, I like how they use the loop antenna to keep it to scale, but it does not provide long range. So when I took it to my local track, it wouldn't complete a lap due to the short range. So I took an old Xmod antenna and with some minor drilling I fixed the range problem. I think I stretched it's range to now 30 feet. I also had to use the tape that was included for the hub's cause they kept popping off on the RCP track.
I'll need to invest in the parts you mentioned.
Over all it's a great little car and fun to drive, but not very competitive. Would need to race it with other Lit's instead of other MR02's or whatever.

reycer
2007.02.27, 10:33 AM
Hey Marc,

I get my parts all over. I have been using RC champ to get alot of my parts for my tamiya's and kyosho's. It is a discounted hobby store chain. I always e-mail a guy name Hirotaka Suganuma at champ_international@yahoo.co.jp. He gives you price break down and he has even special ordered for me. That is how I got my mini. It wasn't out yet so he put me on the list. He will send you an e-mail to send paypal payments to. If you check your lit owners manual it calls out two optional struts (non and oil filled) I believe the strut is a shared strut with the MR02 mm??? but you better check for sure. I haven't compared it specifically to my MR02 mm but it is sure similar. You will have to bend the cirular antenna in a coil or spring shape for clearance when you install the strut. If you have the Daihatsu convertible it will not work. Just received a daihatsu :o) for fun... Gotta have two lit's when friends come over and we can have a go.

I know what you mean about not competitive with the mini z... but fast enough and fun to drive non the less as you now know.

Thanks for the heads up on the FM antenna range. I run mine only on my rcp track at home not a big track only because of the area I have for a track. Some people have been wrapping their antenna with cooper wire. I will try that first to see what happens.

I was looking at your other mini cooper. Are there alot of hopup parts for it? Can it run with the modified MR02 mm and rm's? I have been obsesed with the mini z lately and can't get enough of them!!!

BTW- I am in southern california right now doing business with an Industrial Design think tank called DesignworksUSA- Who are these people? They are the think tank for BMW and the creators of the new mini car and brand... thought you might get a kick out of that.

marc
2007.02.27, 10:41 AM
Sounds like fun reycer! Be sure to get pics! I'd love to see a wide-bodied Mini Cooper S. I posted elsewhere about doing one for the Z.
I simply took an antenna from the Evo Xmod, drilled a hole in the roof, and cut a slot right next to the antenna mount on the chassis. The slot was used to allow the antenna to sit in properly.
I've also tried fitting standard sized wheels on the Lit for my Smart Car project. Front wheels are a direct fit, but the rear's need some custom work done. Reason being, with the Smart Car, the stock Mini-Z Lit wheels are just too small. The Smart requires standard size wheels. Look for my thread titled "standard size wheels on Lit".
I have not checked either on the MR02's suspension to see if it's rear shock would fit the Lit, but I might work on that today as I still have the stock shock from a while back. Are the ball bearings a special size? Or are they standard size?

reycer
2007.03.02, 08:50 PM
Sounds like fun reycer! Be sure to get pics! I'd love to see a wide-bodied Mini Cooper S. I posted elsewhere about doing one for the Z.
I simply took an antenna from the Evo Xmod, drilled a hole in the roof, and cut a slot right next to the antenna mount on the chassis. The slot was used to allow the antenna to sit in properly.
I've also tried fitting standard sized wheels on the Lit for my Smart Car project. Front wheels are a direct fit, but the rear's need some custom work done. Reason being, with the Smart Car, the stock Mini-Z Lit wheels are just too small. The Smart requires standard size wheels. Look for my thread titled "standard size wheels on Lit".
I have not checked either on the MR02's suspension to see if it's rear shock would fit the Lit, but I might work on that today as I still have the stock shock from a while back. Are the ball bearings a special size? Or are they standard size?


Got my camera back here are some images of my lit's with the mini cooper with the CF brace and the strut. The other is stock

marc
2007.03.02, 08:56 PM
Thanks for the pics Reycer. I broke the front bumper on my Mini a while back. Would have to get a new peice. I noticed that it is sold seperatly but with a set of wheels?
Can you take a photo of the Mini Cooper with the wheels from the silver car on it?

reycer
2007.03.03, 10:15 AM
Thanks for the pics Reycer. I broke the front bumper on my Mini a while back. Would have to get a new peice. I noticed that it is sold seperatly but with a set of wheels?
Can you take a photo of the Mini Cooper with the wheels from the silver car on it?


Sure later today... I really was wondering why your wheels were falling of because that doesn't happen with my mini...the diahatsu wheels fall off. I get it now... also how do you post photos directly into the message?

marc
2007.03.03, 10:25 AM
For the wheels, I used the tape that came with it and the wheels have not popped off yet. I can go full throttle around the RCP track and it works great!
I don't understand why your asking about posting photos when you already done so? What you mean exactly by posting photos directly into message? The only way I know how to post photos, is using a host like Photobucket and copy-paste the photo-tag from Photobucket, and pasting it into your message window. Other than that, I don't know.

bnwhtlw
2007.03.03, 01:02 PM
He means how do you do them inline so they are in the body of the message rather than in the "attachment" block.

THe answer is...up load the photos to you gallery...hen view it...then right click the image..."copy image location" Next when posting a message click the little yellow mountain looking icon next to the world with the chain link on it. (see attached) Paste the location of the image from you gallery in there and boom..inline image.

Hope that helped.

marc
2007.03.03, 04:24 PM
Thanks for explaning that. I didn't know that method either, was only familiar with copy paste from Photobucket. I don't even know if I have a photo gallery here or not! I'll have to go look for it.

reycer
2007.03.03, 08:10 PM
He means how do you do them inline so they are in the body of the message rather than in the "attachment" block.

THe answer is...up load the photos to you gallery...hen view it...then right click the image..."copy image location" Next when posting a message click the little yellow mountain looking icon next to the world with the chain link on it. (see attached) Paste the location of the image from you gallery in there and boom..inline image.

Hope that helped.

Thanks Bnwhtlw,

Right click doesn't work on my MAC. I will figure out how to copy and past into the message window. I appreciate your help.

Marc,
Here is the image you requested. Here is what I noticed. I believe the wheel offset is different between the mini and the Diahatsu. Also the tire diameter is larger as well. As you can see it fills up the wheel wells but the rear will scrape the top of the rear fenders.

marc
2007.03.03, 08:17 PM
Thanks Reycer, that looks cool! Kind of look's like inch-up wheels for the Mini Cooper!
You say it might scrape the top of the rear fenders, have you driven it with these wheels on? If so, any effects?
Some how, that Mini looks more racey now. Cool pic!
Makes me wonder how the Mini will look with the Tagu wheels. Hmmmm, maybe better than I thought! Would love to see a picture of that.

reycer
2007.03.04, 04:08 PM
Thanks Reycer, that looks cool! Kind of look's like inch-up wheels for the Mini Cooper!
You say it might scrape the top of the rear fenders, have you driven it with these wheels on? If so, any effects?
Some how, that Mini looks more racey now. Cool pic!
Makes me wonder how the Mini will look with the Tagu wheels. Hmmmm, maybe better than I thought! Would love to see a picture of that.


Hey Marc,

The offset seems is different to the mini cooper which pushes the tires out. What happens is the tires are wider than the body. With the + size tires any body roll will rub the tires. I agree they look better +1 but doesn't work for me at the expense of handling. We will just see if the manufactures or after market companies see a market in supporting mods like this... Doesn't seem like they will from what I have seen so far and by the amount of discussions on these forums. Tagu seems to be the only one.