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Draconious
2007.01.24, 08:25 PM
Not nessessarily the same brand mind you... but I think they use this ;)

http://www.bananaking.net/cento/workshop/photos/tool_floorwax.jpg

FLOOR WAX!

it is commonly used to paint models and game minatures... it dries hard, and does not yellow... wich is why its used for floors... it also would not come off very ;) so.. thats my guess.

So its just a matter of finding a way to dip, or spray it evenly onto a painted body...

arch2b
2010.05.22, 10:44 AM
this is what i use ;)

Fovea3d
2010.05.22, 02:16 PM
How do you apply it Arch?
I tried dipping the body but I am still hesitant. The last time I dipped a "fine hand polish" McLaren Fina it ended up with small specks all over the body.

This was a test (http://www.nanospeeders.com/forum_z/index.php?showtopic=1291&hl=solplus) using an I-Waver body. This one turned OK.

Ok and this is the real Kyosho glosscoat process as found in a Mini-z magazine.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/glosscoat.jpg

arch2b
2010.05.22, 03:03 PM
broad flat paint brush, anywhere from 3 to 5 coats.

Samael76
2010.05.23, 03:37 AM
So the windshield doesnt react funny to this method? Should i apply before or after i glue the windshield in place?

Fovea3d
2010.05.23, 03:51 AM
If you choose the soaking method, I would recommend to remove the windows before application. There is a chance that specks of dust will be stuck in the process. If your windows are OK why risking this? But soaking the body with all parts attached is easy I confess. You just have to watch for runs by turning the body in all directions until the wax dries, hence the screw to hold it firmly. The dark silver Mc Laren was an I-waver, the windows can't be removed.

arch2b
2010.05.23, 12:13 PM
no, it doesn't bother the windscreen or clear plastic at all. as mentioned, it might be good to not do it with the windows installed. just gets in the way and your biggest enemy is pooling. installing the glass leaves areas where the liquid can pool.

to fight dust, i simply use one of the mr-02 display case tops to act as a dust cover when painting or gloss coating. put it up on spacers so air circulates and keeps dust, pet hair in my case, from settling on the car while drying.

Dudemeister
2010.05.23, 12:14 PM
Not nessessarily the same brand mind you... but I think they use this ;)

http://www.bananaking.net/cento/workshop/photos/tool_floorwax.jpg

FLOOR WAX!

it is commonly used to paint models and game minatures... it dries hard, and does not yellow... wich is why its used for floors... it also would not come off very ;) so.. thats my guess.

So its just a matter of finding a way to dip, or spray it evenly onto a painted body...
I'm not sure what they (Kyosho) use, although I have some suspicions, but it's definetly not Future Shine.

I used Future in my models and is pretty good, but it's not the same stuff that Kyosho uses.

Here is what I do know: I can take a body that I coated with Future, soak it in PineSol, or even Isopropyl alcohol for a few hours, and it will come off. On the other hand, I can take a Kyosho Gloss Coat body, and soak it in PineSol indefinetly, and it won't even touch it.

I know this because I have a Lambo body I tried to strip for weeks in various chemicals that could strip chrome off a bumper, yet couldn't even touch the gloss coat.

My suspicion is that what we call a "Gloss Coat" is not actual paint, rather it's a thin plastic shell that is applied over the finished product, which once it dries and hardens, it laminates the entire body, trapping the paint and decals under this thin layer of clear plastic.

Most likely the process involves dipping a painted and decaled body into a bath of liquid plastic, then set aside to dry.

So the so called "Fine Hand Polish" process is nothing more than Kyosho skipping a step in the process and perhaps saving a few cents, then charging you and me a few dollars more in the process.

arch2b
2010.05.23, 12:23 PM
...So the so called "Fine Hand Polish" process is nothing more than Kyosho skipping a step in the process and perhaps saving a few cents, then charging you and me a few dollars more in the process.
i love this quote.

the official gloss coat was documented here as it was found in some literature some years ago. it's a film that may be vaccuum formed onto the autoscale. it's not a liquid but a film that is applied. you can do the search but it's on here somewhere.

Dudemeister
2010.05.23, 12:33 PM
... it's a film that may be vaccuum formed onto the autoscale. it's not a liquid but a film that is applied....

Ok, I can see that, but it goes to show that it's not actually paint, rather it's a thin plastic coat/film, effectively a lamination process. That's what gives the finish such great resilience.

Fovea3d
2010.05.23, 12:34 PM
My suspicion is that what we call a "Gloss Coat" is not actual paint, rather it's a thin plastic shell that is applied over the finished product, which once it dries and hardens, it laminates the entire body, trapping the paint and decals under this thin layer of clear plastic.
Exactly my thoughts. If you see the picture I posted (from the Kyosho product line) you can see a sort of frame holding the clear plastic (?) foil. It is probably heated and the body goes through the frame kind of like making a lexan body.
I recall having noticed a defect on a Subaru: the gloss coat was folded on itself in the area of a wheel well.
Good stuff, may be difficult to apply for sure.
EDIT oops to late ;)

arch2b
2010.05.23, 02:19 PM
fovea, i found the information (http://www.nanospeeders.com/mini6z/manufacture.htm) that you had posted to your site which was reposted here long ago.

Fovea3d
2010.05.23, 02:45 PM
Thanks Arch! I did not recall this post.
It is good that they will redo the gloss coat. Hopefully equal or lower price that this so "exclusive" and expensive find hand polish... joking :D

greenepa76
2011.01.17, 10:32 AM
Future is just an acrylic type of "paint" for your floors. Model airplane guys use this to dip their canopies for that polished wetlook shine without brush or orange peel from spraying. I wouldn't dip my mini z bodies in this stuff though. Too messy for me with all the detail these bodies have. Model airplane canopies are a simple shape and you can easily wick off any excess after the drips. I just use Tamiya Lacquers which is super durable, but not the safest nor the cheapest to use. Their gloss clear doesn't yellow either over white paint. I've used it for years over all sorts of paint when carefully applied.

Here's a semi custom Tamiya model I did a long time ago painted with an enamel base coat and Tamiya spray lacquer topcoat and then polished. I think you can do something similar with future, but you'll get pooling of the liquid material on parting lines and stuff. I'd love to do this to a mini z, but it would just get destroyed.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/908902ass.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/235417frt.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/269116ftang.jpg

herman
2011.01.20, 09:27 PM
great build, great pics too... thanks for sharing.. :D
hmm did you do the front lip side skirts and rear diffuser? :D

greenepa76
2011.01.20, 09:37 PM
great build, great pics too... thanks for sharing.. :D
hmm did you do the front lip side skirts and rear diffuser? :D

Thanks Herman!
Yes, it was a build for someone else. The wheels are after market also.

Skv012a
2011.01.21, 12:41 AM
I still use good old spray cans and my results have been more than satisfying and fairly durably. I think that when it comes to gloss sprays, its the paint you have underneath that makes or breaks the final product. Use acrylic or enamel, that is prone to chipping under impacts and gloss will not hold nearly as well as polycarbonate paint that soaks into the plastic.

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq249/skv0124/MiniZ/EuropaGreenShoes1.jpg

My Europa after half a year or so of racing it. polycarbonate blue with gloss on it held up like racing was almost nothing. The enamel I used for silver trim got chipped and rubbed off much faster.