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Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 06:15 AM
This question may strike some of you as quite shocking, considering the title of this forum, but what is a Mini-Z? I've never heard of them. :o

Are they the size of XMods? From some photos they look similar. Are their motors as powerful/more powerful than XMod motors? Are the parts from a Mini-Z interchangeable with XMods?

Yes, this really is a serious question. I have no idea what a Mini-Z is. :o

byebye
2007.03.08, 06:17 AM
http://www.minizracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22300

You can also look under each chassis forum. Arch2b has put together product descriptions direct from Kyosho.

-Byebye

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 06:24 AM
http://www.minizracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22300

You can also look under each chassis forum. Arch2b has put together product descriptions direct from Kyosho.

-Byebye

Thanks for the link! I'll check it out immediately.

I can't believe how expensive they are! I did a few internet searches and geez, $129.99 for a little R/C car? :eek:

*****UPDATE!*****

Ok, so I checked out the site for Mini-Zs. Now, the ones very similar to the XMod are the "racers," correct?

I also like all the available bodies for them.

byebye
2007.03.08, 06:57 AM
Yes the racers are the similar ones.

Yes they are pricey when new but are worth every penny performance wise. No you can't add vody kits and there are no "stage" upgrades.

For the price of every upgrade from Radio shack you nearly spend the same amount of money for a box stock mini-z. The difference(and there are lots to debate) are the mini-z is a higher quality and can use aftermarket radios. The x-mods as I'm sure you know offer more visual upgrades and are more available at a relatively good price.

-Byebye

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 07:27 AM
Yes the racers are the similar ones.

Yes they are pricey when new but are worth every penny performance wise. No you can't add vody kits and there are no "stage" upgrades.

For the price of every upgrade from Radio shack you nearly spend the same amount of money for a box stock mini-z. The difference(and there are lots to debate) are the mini-z is a higher quality and can use aftermarket radios. The x-mods as I'm sure you know offer more visual upgrades and are more available at a relatively good price.

-Byebye

I'm not really so much into visual upgrades, as I'd like to get some speed and handling. I don't find the quality of XMods to be all that poor, but it isn't all that great, either. I do like the idea of buying upgrades and working on my cars, though.

I'm pretty irritated with my non-working suspension on my XMod, though. :mad:

I'm familiar with Kyosho, as they've been around for a very long time, and I know they're known for putting out some good products.

cowboysir
2007.03.08, 09:18 AM
Dan,

You'll never regret the purchase of a Mini-Z...over the years I've gotten a few and I am always impressed with both the out of the box performance and the servo ability.

Try your xmod steering and notice the little jumps the wheels take when turning...now imagine a faster stock car that has a super smooth steering with no gradient steps.

Save up and but one...my favorites are the MR02(RWD) and the MA010(AWD).

good to see you on this board as well. ;)

hrdrvr
2007.03.08, 09:59 AM
Hey Dan! Im glad to see you checking out the Zs as well. You may still have little quirks with a miniZ, but they are few and far between as compared to an xmod. I thought xmod quality was good too, until my wife got me a miniZ last year. The quality control and electronics are the big things that seperate them, IMO. You can upgrade the drivetrain and suspension on xmods to get them close to miniZ standards, but the elctronics will never be there, uinless you change them out too. When it all boils down to it, for a race minded person, the Z is the way to go. Even the quality of the aftermarket hop-ups are better with the Zs, IMO.

Also, someone else new to Zs on the board just did their own little video showing some direct comparisons to xmods.

Heres the thread.
http://minizracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24443&highlight=xmod+mini

It shows an xmod with all the RS available upgrades compared to a bone stock mr02. At that point the price difference isnt bad, but you can be the judge of the performance differences :D

Also, just take a look at some of the responses to some one comparing the two :D They are in different leagues.

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 10:00 AM
Dan,

You'll never regret the purchase of a Mini-Z...over the years I've gotten a few and I am always impressed with both the out of the box performance and the servo ability.

Try your xmod steering and notice the little jumps the wheels take when turning...now imagine a faster stock car that has a super smooth steering with no gradient steps.

Save up and but one...my favorites are the MR02(RWD) and the MA010(AWD).

good to see you on this board as well. ;)

Hey, Cowboy! I thought you looked familiar!

Being a huge fan of the STi/STI and Camaro, are those bodies available for the Mini-Z cars? Also, is it easy to upgrade the Mini-Z? I can never leave anything stock. :D

I watched that video of the XMod Vs. the Mini-Z, and there was NO comparion. Just....WOW! I really find myself wanting a Mini-Z! :D

cowboysir
2007.03.08, 10:27 AM
If I recall, there is a WRX in the 1998 B22 version, the 2002 WRC (T.Makkinen)version and the 2006 WRX STi version...all of them look very sharp and true to scale.

All of them fit the AWD, but the 2002 WRC and B22 were meant for MR015 cars(I think). They are shorter wheelbase models than the xmod one though...which makes it truer to scale. ;)

quick edit: you can also find the B22 (hopefully the 2006 WRX soon) in a "whitebody" so if you're keen you can paint your own.

briankstan
2007.03.08, 11:00 AM
Also, is it easy to upgrade the Mini-Z? I can never leave anything stock. :D

I watched that video of the XMod Vs. the Mini-Z, and there was NO comparion. Just....WOW! I really find myself wanting a Mini-Z! :D


if you have been driving a Xmod, the Mini-z is the next evolution (even thought it's been around longer)

if you have never driven a Mini-z you will be blown away at the different feel. it's tighter, more precise and overall a better RC.

the cost is well worth it. I started with Xmods as well, I still have 2 sitting on my shelf. I own several mini-z and race them with our local club.

if you get one you won't regret it. they are completely upgradeable, as far as handling and speed.

you have tons of different suspension parts and motors to choose from. (some motors require FET upgrades, so just be aware of what you get. if your not sure. do a quick search here, or as the questions. I'm sure you will get the answers you need.

a few of the things you can change: Springs, Caster, Camber,Damper Systems, H-plates, Tires, Motor Mounts, gearing, Diff, Tires, Bearings, King pins for smoother front suspension.

oh, first upgrade should always be tires. the stock tires are very hard and slippery on most tracks.

bolter9
2007.03.08, 01:56 PM
Glad you're getting some good mini z info!

Simply put, xmod is consumer-class RC car, mini z is a hobby-class RC car. Everything from the price, technology and even the retail channels reflects that. The fact that they're the same scale is where the similarities end.

I'm no xmod basher– this is simply a fact.

(and yeah...I started with xmods too)

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 03:58 PM
if you have been driving a Xmod, the Mini-z is the next evolution (even thought it's been around longer)

if you have never driven a Mini-z you will be blown away at the different feel. it's tighter, more precise and overall a better RC.

the cost is well worth it. I started with Xmods as well, I still have 2 sitting on my shelf. I own several mini-z and race them with our local club.

if you get one you won't regret it. they are completely upgradeable, as far as handling and speed.

you have tons of different suspension parts and motors to choose from. (some motors require FET upgrades, so just be aware of what you get. if your not sure. do a quick search here, or as the questions. I'm sure you will get the answers you need.

a few of the things you can change: Springs, Caster, Camber,Damper Systems, H-plates, Tires, Motor Mounts, gearing, Diff, Tires, Bearings, King pins for smoother front suspension.

oh, first upgrade should always be tires. the stock tires are very hard and slippery on most tracks.

I'm not familiar with FETs, how to upgrade FETs, or even what FETs are. :o

I'm one of these people that like to modify things and still retain reliability, whether it's real cars, or something else. :) For instance, with real cars, I don't want to do heads/cam packages, but I want to do every single bolt-on imagineable, from brakes, suspension parts, cold air intakes, exhausts, etc. I'm the same way with my XMods, but obviously it's a little bit different from the "real thing." I like to do simple things like motor-swaps, suspension upgrades, bearings, etc. I don't wanna get in so deep that I'm soldering things on to circuit boards and the like. :)

I'm really not familiar with the overall quality of the XMod Vs. the Mini-Z, as I've never seen one in person, but from photos, the Mini-Z appears to be built light-years better in quality. As Bolter9 put it, I would agree that the Mini-Z is more of a "hobby toy" than a "consumer toy," but I do get a fair share of enjoyment out of the XMods. I like the body styles (Impreza, Firebird, Camaro, Mustang, G35, Supra, Skyline, 350Z), and I really like doing the visual upgrades with the different body kits and stuff, and honestly, for what the amount of time that I spend using my XMods, which I haven't even used in over a year, $129.99 is probably a bit steep to be spending on something that I'm not sure would continue to be an ongoing hobby for me. I mean, I haven't touched my XMods in over a year. Only recently have I picked them up once again because I bought my neice an XMod Firebird for Xmas, and my brother couldn't figure out how to get it together, so I sat down and messed with it, and then found myself "into it" all over again.

Now, let's say that this time around the "XMod hobby" is something that lasts a while, and later down the line I decide that I'd like to invest in something a little bit nicer than an XMod. What is the availability of finding Mini-Zs and their upgrades/parts, and what are the prices of upgrades compared to those of XMods?

hrdrvr
2007.03.08, 04:06 PM
Some hobby shops cary them, but online thay are easy to find.

briankstan
2007.03.08, 04:07 PM
The availability is there, sometimes finding a particular body can be difficult, but if you are after a RTR (ready to run) then the availablity is usually there for most bodies.

as far as finding part, there are several online shops that sell lot's of different products from different Mfg.

the shop here has a great selection parts. you can upgrade the motors to a certain point before the FET's can't handle the amp draw. you would find a PN Speedy 05, or an Atomic Standard to be very fast and about the limit of the stock electronics.

Finding the other hop-up (upgrades) is just as simple. Most people will start with bearings, and tires, then maybe some other things. Don't get me wrong the stock Mini-z is a great performer, and would probably out perform a modified Xmod in anything other then a straight line.

Parts for the MR-02(rwd) and MA-010(awd) are readily available, parts for the MR-01 have become more scarce, as they have been replaced with new models.

briankstan
2007.03.08, 04:13 PM
here is a link a some racing video. I find that most of the fun and keeping things more interesting is hooking up with some friends and racing them. they you actually see what kind of performance you can get out of these. Oh, and did I mention it's a Freaking Blast !!

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/media/8-4-05_50_lap.wmv

and if you would like to see what is possible with the RCP tracks you can look here.

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/Tracks.html

homestar21
2007.03.08, 05:41 PM
I have no more to say to you, as the others answered your question. All I can say is that I still like my xmods, but I love my mini-Z... In fact, I highly recommend one.

bolter9
2007.03.08, 06:49 PM
We raced our xmods all the time, so the jump to mini z was naturally a good decision and worthwhile investment.

As far as how much use you'd get out of your z- that's up to you, but you will certainly be getting a better product that's more rewarding to drive, even if you can't go down to your local RS for parts.

Just be sure you save a little money for some soft tires as your first upgrade.

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 07:35 PM
here is a link a some racing video. I find that most of the fun and keeping things more interesting is hooking up with some friends and racing them. they you actually see what kind of performance you can get out of these. Oh, and did I mention it's a Freaking Blast !!

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/media/8-4-05_50_lap.wmv

and if you would like to see what is possible with the RCP tracks you can look here.

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/Tracks.html

WOW! Very cool tracks!

The first thing I noticed about the cars is how "linear" they look when they move. They just look much more "in tune" than what the XMods do, sort of the difference between seeing a Chevy Malibu Vs. a Corvette Z06 on the Nurburgring. :)

I think all the votes are in regarding XMods Vs. Mini-Zs. If the hobby's something I find myself sticking with for a while, I think I will most definitely be looking into a Mini-Z. I find myself ready to replace my XMod Impreza WRX STi with a Mini-Z Impreza WRX STi. :D

Where can I find a listing of all the RTR Mini-Zs that are available? Also, will an XMod body fit on a Mini-Z?

Bolter9, I checked out your gallery of photos, and I must say, the track and cars are most impressive!

arch2b
2007.03.08, 07:43 PM
you can find all the readysets in teh shop using the following search

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 07:50 PM
you can find all the readysets in teh shop using the following search

I'm assuming you mean www.tinyrc.com. :) Looks like I'm goin' shoppin'! :D

BTW Arch, you're not far from me. I'm in Frederick, Maryland.

arch2b
2007.03.08, 07:55 PM
awsome! when you feel like racing, come down to germantown, only about a 20 min. drive for you. i run a club track in germantown, we race xmods, mini-z, mini maulers, pretty much anything small.

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 07:58 PM
awsome! when you feel like racing, come down to germantown, only about a 20 min. drive for you. i run a club track in germantown, we race xmods, mini-z, mini maulers, pretty much anything small.

Cool! I should do that! Maybe someone can also look at my XMod and help me find out what's wrong with the rear suspension. This headache in itself almost has me ready to buy a Mini-Z.

Come to think of it, I really don't know any adults (I'm gonna be 33 yrs old on 3/27) that are into XMods/Mini-Zs, so it's probably part of why I can't stay interested in the hobby. I don't have anyone to run them with! It kinda sucks doin' the "solo thing."

arch2b
2007.03.08, 08:01 PM
thats why i started our club. it takes the enjoyment of these to another level:)

most of us are 25-35 so you'll fit right in;)

email me, click on my screen name for the option, and i'll reply with all the info you need.

herman
2007.03.08, 08:05 PM
... mini-z is an addiction...
... the guys answering your question are pushers... lol :D
... don't think, just get one... they're great even out of the box... :D :D

never had an x-mod but from the video posted, i don't think i'll ever want to get one... er well maybe, if just for some of the bodies... (i think there was a mini-z with an x-mod evo8 bod - cool mod...)

welcome to the forums... :D

p.s. here's a pic of one of my cars...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21737

also check out http://mini-z-bar.com/ for mini-z's from all over the world... :D
oh yeah these forums are pretty good too...

herman
2007.03.08, 08:07 PM
I don't have anyone to run them with! It kinda sucks doin' the "solo thing."
hmm... sounds familiar... i've been doing that for quite some time now... and still hooked... i must be going crazy... heh...

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 09:57 PM
... mini-z is an addiction...
... the guys answering your question are pushers... lol :D
... don't think, just get one... they're great even out of the box... :D :D

never had an x-mod but from the video posted, i don't think i'll ever want to get one... er well maybe, if just for some of the bodies... (i think there was a mini-z with an x-mod evo8 bod - cool mod...)

welcome to the forums... :D

p.s. here's a pic of one of my cars...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21737

also check out http://mini-z-bar.com/ for mini-z's from all over the world... :D
oh yeah these forums are pretty good too...

Dude, WHERE did you get that STI? :eek: Also, I wonder if they have a previous generation with the pre-2006 front clip. I want a car that looks like my real one. :cool:

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.08, 09:59 PM
thats why i started our club. it takes the enjoyment of these to another level:)

most of us are 25-35 so you'll fit right in;)

email me, click on my screen name for the option, and i'll reply with all the info you need.

Sorry for the double-post. Arch2b, Email sent.

herman
2007.03.09, 12:43 AM
Dude, WHERE did you get that STI?
actually it's made by kyosho... you can get it as an asc (auto scale collection) body only it comes in it's own display stand and case kinda like this supra...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22229

or you can get the ready kit which is rtr (ready to run) once you get the batts (8pcs AA and 4 pcs AAA)
like this collectable 'back to the future delorean'
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/907/IMG_0095.jpg
sometimes the ready kit has a display case for the car...

click on the kyosho website to see the full line up of cars...
(they've got the older versions in wrc livery)
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100004&series_group_id=100003&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100005&series_group_id=100004&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100003&series_group_id=100003&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=

or look no further than briankstan's collection :D
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1062/medium/Mini-Z_Collection_002.jpg

from this thread...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24458&highlight=addiction

click on my sig to see some of my cars...

kid in a candystore feeling? i know how you feel... read up on this...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21404&highlight=kyosho+omotesando

enjoy, and welcome to the forums... :D

briankstan
2007.03.09, 12:58 AM
look no further than briankstan's collection :D

from this thread...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24458&highlight=addiction

enjoy, and welcome to the forums... :D

thanks for the props Herman. I need to get an updated picture. Add about 20 or so to that pic and you'll get the gest of my addicions. :D

herman
2007.03.09, 01:10 AM
don't sweat it...
i thought i was just the only one... :D
but after looking at your collection... i felt a bit relieved...
guess we're in the same boat...
the only difference is...
you definitely have a bigger boat... :D

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.09, 02:58 AM
actually it's made by kyosho... you can get it as an asc (auto scale collection) body only it comes in it's own display stand and case kinda like this supra...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22229

or you can get the ready kit which is rtr (ready to run) once you get the batts (8pcs AA and 4 pcs AAA)
like this collectable 'back to the future delorean'
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/907/IMG_0095.jpg
sometimes the ready kit has a display case for the car...

click on the kyosho website to see the full line up of cars...
(they've got the older versions in wrc livery)
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100004&series_group_id=100003&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100005&series_group_id=100004&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100003&series_group_id=100003&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=

or look no further than briankstan's collection :D
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1062/medium/Mini-Z_Collection_002.jpg

from this thread...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24458&highlight=addiction

click on my sig to see some of my cars...

kid in a candystore feeling? i know how you feel... read up on this...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21404&highlight=kyosho+omotesando

enjoy, and welcome to the forums... :D

Oh, man, Herman, OH MAN! Kid in a candystore feeling? Oh yeah! I gotta have that World Rally Blue STI! It's too bad they don't sell it in the same bodystyle as my real one. :(

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/Flat4Racing2005/My%202005%20Subaru%20Impreza%20WRX%20STi/002.jpg

Will somebody be my friend so I have an excuse to go buy a $129.99 r/c car? LOL! I so wanna ditch my XMod right now. :o

herman
2007.03.09, 04:16 AM
i think this is the newer model though...

http://www.kyosho.com/common/image.php?id=106198

herman
2007.03.09, 04:53 AM
other scoobies...
http://mini-zracer.com/parts/partsdb/kyosho-mzc2wrc-240x180.jpg
http://www.fioroni.com/img_and/img_prodotti/big4124012903688237.jpg
http://wh.tfdistribution.com/pics/store4/2611.jpg

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.09, 06:30 AM
other scoobies...
http://mini-zracer.com/parts/partsdb/kyosho-mzc2wrc-240x180.jpg
http://www.fioroni.com/img_and/img_prodotti/big4124012903688237.jpg
http://wh.tfdistribution.com/pics/store4/2611.jpg

MAN! THEY JUST SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THE BEST LOOKING ONE! :mad:

But, any Scooby is a good Scooby (I guess....). :(

arch2b
2007.03.09, 07:51 AM
there is the new scoobie as well;) in black white and blue is coming

cowboysir
2007.03.09, 08:47 AM
Dan,

just to let you know your not alone...you'll notice quite an age difference between xmod owners and Mini-Z owners(not the norm but you get the drift). I'll be 36 this April...

Do you really think the 04/05 body is the best Scooby? JMO, but I like the 99 RB5/B22 look the most...menacing yet stealthy if you get my meaning. :D

Good to hear your lucky enough to have something close to race/meet at...I have to travel 2+hours to get killed by teenagers!(Mini-Z killled of course)

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.09, 09:24 AM
Dan,

just to let you know your not alone...you'll notice quite an age difference between xmod owners and Mini-Z owners(not the norm but you get the drift). I'll be 36 this April...

Do you really think the 04/05 body is the best Scooby? JMO, but I like the 99 RB5/B22 look the most...menacing yet stealthy if you get my meaning. :D

Good to hear your lucky enough to have something close to race/meet at...I have to travel 2+hours to get killed by teenagers!(Mini-Z killled of course)

While, I don't want to discredit the XMod folk because they've been helping me to resolve my issues with the suspension as well, I will mention that I do notice a significant increase in the maturity level of this forum compared to some of the XMod forums.

For the record, I'd much prefer to socialize more with the "Mini-Z crew" over the "XMod crew." You guys seem to have already grown out of Huggies. :D

But, on another note, I [b]DID[/i] locate the issue I was having with binding. It did in fact turn out to be a defective damper; one that came with my AWD upgrade kit. It just took another 2.5 hours of trial and error to find out! :o

Thanks for all the help, guys. Raymond PM'd me about joining up for a meet in the area, which unfortunately I had to respectfully decline for this Saturday (due to work), but I'll have to get out with my inferior XMod and give some of you Mini-Z guys a run! :D

If any of you guys are in the Maryland area, feel free to hit me up at flat4racing@hotmail.com, or just send me a PM. I'd be glad to get together for some racing!

bolter9
2007.03.09, 10:55 AM
Seems like most of the people I've raced mini z (or any RC) with here in the Northwest are in their late 20s and older. I'm 34, and have raced with guys over 60.

Probably has to do with having more discretionary income in mid-life– let's people afford higher quality toys.

svt-racer
2007.03.09, 12:06 PM
Another way to describe what a Mini-Z is ...it is a small scale R/C vehicle with a very realistic scaled looking body of a lot nice vehicles made in real 1:1 size. Once you drive them, you don't want to stop. To certain degree, you feel you are hooked to them and don't want to stop racing them with your friends. If you ever get to race them in club meetings, you will be asking all the time...when is the next race? Just my experience so far with them!!!

Flat 4 Racing
2007.03.09, 12:29 PM
Another way to describe what a Mini-Z is ...it is a small scale R/C vehicle with a very realistic scaled looking body of a lot nice vehicles made in real 1:1 size. Once you drive them, you don't want to stop. To certain degree, you feel you are hooked to them and don't want to stop racing them with your friends. If you ever get to race them in club meetings, you will be asking all the time...when is the next race? Just my experience so far with them!!!

I love anything to do with cars, so I'm sure I'd probably find myself quite taken by them.

DogbreathRacing
2007.04.02, 11:58 PM
Bolter, man you got to let us know when you're gonna be down this way, we are all over 40 but only 12 at heart

Full RCP Mini-Z track inside
Full 1/18th dirt track outside
(I guess my wife loves me)