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BrianMidnight
2007.07.23, 03:46 PM
Remember you can not mix the two makes of track,,,,,,, unless you run one smooth side and the other rough side. Here at Stafford Racers in the UK we've just discovered this costly mismatch :mad:
ps
Whats the betting should Kyosho bring out their version of the Core timing system the transponders won't be interchangeable!!!!!

cdog4w
2007.07.23, 04:21 PM
I don't know that that is true. I have the kyosho 45 degree kit, and I ordered some extra tiles from RCP which work fine with my kyosho kit. AFAIK, kyosho just puts their branding on the borders, otherwise everything is the same. I may have mentioned that I had the 45 kit when I ordered but they didn't specifically ask what type of track I had before sending the new tiles out. Hopefully RCP can give an authoritative answer.

arch2b
2007.07.23, 04:55 PM
kyosho, RCP, Xmods all use the same tiles. the only differences should be in the branding and slight variations in tile thickness due to production runs i would assume.

if you've found that tiles are not aligning with the same surface up, then email RCP as this should not happen to my knowledge.

obviously 30 and 50cm tiles will not align without transition tiles.

BrianMidnight
2007.07.23, 07:00 PM
if you've found that tiles are not aligning with the same surface up, then email RCP as this should not happen to my knowledge.


Brought the wide inside and 45 kits from Kyosho (France) and we're gutted!!! The sob story is....... all our existing track (5 wide L's and 40 blanks) has been shipped from America in the past,we had been trying to buy these extras from either RCP or Tiny for the last 12 months but they wouldn't or couldn't send to the UK, email pleas went unresolved. We cann't see that changing ....so looks like we have to race the 2 surfaces on one layout. gutted gutted

arch2b
2007.07.23, 07:03 PM
i moved this to the rcp support forum so hopefully rcp can see this and find out whats going on.

BrianMidnight
2007.07.23, 07:13 PM
i moved this to the rcp support forum so hopefully rcp can see this and find out whats going on.
Thank you very much

RCPMini-z
2007.07.23, 08:35 PM
The 30cm tracks that come out of our factory are all the same, no matter what country you buy them from.

This is not the case with the 50cm tracks. The link pattern is opposite on all 50cm tracks coming out of Kyosho, Japan. We manufacture a conversion set that will convert from Kyosho, Japan 50cm tracks to all others. We sent a bunch of these conversion tiles to our Spain distributor who requested them for their customers that might have purchased from Kyosho, Japan.

I can manufacture some conversion tiles for England, if needed. How many do you need? Remember, you will need a conversion set to go from Kyosho, Japan to USA and from USA back to Kyosho, Japan if you have the tiles mixed. It is best to group the USA tiles together and the Japan tiles together, that way you may only need (2) sets of conversion tiles. The conversion tiles are two tiles wide. Basically two side straight rail tiles together to make one row of tiles. One link end is Kyosho Japan and the opposite side is USA.

There is no logical reason why Kyosho Japans 50 cm track tile links are opposite the rest of the worlds. It's just how they came out of the factory at the time and it was too late to change, when it was discovered. The tile link pattern change was not a request by Kyosho, Japan. It was done by our factory.

Let me know if that helps or if I can answer any more questions.

Thanks,
John

BrianMidnight
2007.07.23, 09:32 PM
I can manufacture some conversion tiles for England, if needed. How many do you need?

Let me know if that helps or if I can answer any more questions.

Thanks,
John
Hi John
We have 1 Kyosho Japan 45 kit and 1 Kyosho Japan inside corner kit. I can understand how the conversion pieces work for the 45 kit as that will always be laid together, the inside corners however can be in 4 separate places on the track so I don,t understand how the conversion pieces work? Are there any pictures? Or how many we would need? Please let me know and email the cost.

It was only on Sunday when we tried to put the layout together we discovered the differences. A couple of days after ordering these though Kyosho France we discovered your outlet in Spain and ordered and have received 2 RCP-Outside kits.... no problems fitting these.

Attached picture shows our banners and we are still hoping to add one of yours to our collection!!!!! :)
Cheers
Brian

RCPMini-z
2007.07.24, 12:31 AM
Yes, the large radius inside turns are difficult to convert, since you have half the lane with opposite links. I must say, your set up offers something no one else has and that is a different traction spec on the inside area of the turn. This adds a little excitement in the turns as there is less traction with the smooth side. Some guys here in the US, would pay extra for that type of set up. :)

I think in the case of the inside turns, the best thing to do is to get new large radius inside turns from the Spain distributor. Since we are sending you some conversion tiles for the 45's, maybe we could work out something to get you the inside turn parts in USA link patterns. Send me your shipping address at tracksales@sbcglobal.net. I will see what the factory can do in this case.

Thanks,
John

herman
2007.07.24, 02:49 AM
hmm...so if i understand it correctly, the japan track (45 & inside corners) have smooth surfaces on both sides? or are they molded in a way that you can't use the rough side of the track?

what do you mean by conversion pieces?

pls pardon my ignorance...

Spoon
2007.07.24, 06:22 AM
Typically the shape on the tiles is made so you can't just go from slick to rough. You have to use all slick or all rough side facing the same direction. With a conversion tile you can switch from slick to rough because the connections are reversed on the opposite ends of the tiles.

BrianMidnight
2007.07.24, 06:50 AM
hmm...so if i understand it correctly, the japan track (45 & inside corners) have smooth surfaces on both sides?

pls pardon my ignorance...

No..... smooth one side rough the other.

Jonny
2007.07.24, 07:21 AM
hmm...so if i understand it correctly, the japan track (45 & inside corners) have smooth surfaces on both sides? or are they molded in a way that you can't use the rough side of the track?

what do you mean by conversion pieces?

pls pardon my ignorance...
Hi Herman, as Brian says above the Kyosho track we have here is identical to RCP with both surfaces, however unfortunately has been cut upside down, so we can't connect it to RCP using the brushed surface up the same as the rest of the track. We have had to turn the tiles over and use the smooth side on the Kyosho pieces to get them to join to the RCP!

You can imagine how annoyed we were, especially since Brian at the club has spent a huge amount on RCP shipped to the UK, aswell as the 150 for the Kyosho Wide Radius and 45 Kit.

I hope in the light that there is a 'conversion' kit available for the wrongly produced kits that we will be in receipt of said pieces soon, thanks to John at RCP for his quick intervention. Now we can rest easy that Kyosho aren't trying to diddle us by making them incompatible :D

Jonny

arch2b
2007.07.24, 08:10 AM
well, techincally, they were not wrongly produced. you just unknowingly purchased incompatible track kits is all. anyone could have done the same as this is the first i've heard that each market (2 in total) has a different cut pattern (reversed). i can only assume this was done to differentiate the kits/identify them to specific markets which in itself would not be surprising as it's done in numerous products.

thanks for the clarification John! i would like to post that little golden nugget of into to an rcp faq.

btw, i still have an outstanding email to you as well;)

Jonny
2007.07.24, 06:34 PM
There is no logical reason why Kyosho Japans 50 cm track tile links are opposite the rest of the worlds. It's just how they came out of the factory at the time and it was too late to change, when it was discovered. The tile link pattern change was not a request by Kyosho, Japan. It was done by our factory.

Arch, this is what I was referring to regarding manufacturing.

In any case, it is a shame there wasn't the info easily available before buyers purchase the kits. If your average guy who didn't frequent the forums came across this problem and went to Kyosho Europe, would they have dealt with it?

Jonny

arch2b
2007.07.24, 06:55 PM
thanks for the qoute :)

RCPMini-z
2007.07.24, 09:16 PM
Arch, this is what I was referring to regarding manufacturing.

In any case, it is a shame there wasn't the info easily available before buyers purchase the kits. If your average guy who didn't frequent the forums came across this problem and went to Kyosho Europe, would they have dealt with it?

Jonny


All Kyosho distributors outside of the US, buy from Kyosho, Japan. It's only a problem if someone from Europe buys one set of tracks from a Kyosho Japan distributor and one set from a USA distributor. I can't see it happening too often, as most people buy their track pieces from the same dealer/distributor in their own country or surrounding country. We don't have very many kits shipping from USA to Europe, as shipping costs are way to expensive. It is rare when USA tracks get shipped overseas. Spain is the only country that has a lot of RCP Tracks manufactured with the USA pattern. Out of all their sales in the last two years, they have only had 3 customers that needed the conversioin kits.

Jonny
2007.07.25, 04:25 AM
All Kyosho distributors outside of the US, buy from Kyosho, Japan. It's only a problem if someone from Europe buys one set of tracks from a Kyosho Japan distributor and one set from a USA distributor. I can't see it happening too often, as most people buy their track pieces from the same dealer/distributor in their own country or surrounding country. We don't have very many kits shipping from USA to Europe, as shipping costs are way to expensive. It is rare when USA tracks get shipped overseas. Spain is the only country that has a lot of RCP Tracks manufactured with the USA pattern. Out of all their sales in the last two years, they have only had 3 customers that needed the conversioin kits.
I understand your point John and appreciate you keeping up with the goings on. I quite understand regarding region variation which is no problem, if only we'd have known it wouldn't have been such a shock! Brian has purchased 5 Wide L's and also 50 Blanks shipped from the US and as you say getting hit with shipping (and customs on part of that haul!) is VERY expensive. 2 x Sweeper Kits from TRP cost him $495 shipped, then we were stuck with buying locally from Kyosho for the 45 and Wide Radius at a total of $290 in order to try to save SOME shipping and customs. With the rough deal on pricing over here (Kyosho GP Circuit 50 costing $822!) & the pieces not joining as we'd like, you can imagine why we were frustrated before getting back to the net here to find out what was up...

So are Kyosho USA Mini Z Grand Prix Circuit 50 tracks the RCP US pattern or the Europe/Japan pattern, just to clarify?

Hope you can sort us out with the conversion pieces and thanks again for your help.

Jonny

RCPMini-z
2007.07.25, 09:47 AM
I understand your point John and appreciate you keeping up with the goings on. I quite understand regarding region variation which is no problem, if only we'd have known it wouldn't have been such a shock! Brian has purchased 5 Wide L's and also 50 Blanks shipped from the US and as you say getting hit with shipping (and customs on part of that haul!) is VERY expensive. 2 x Sweeper Kits from TRP cost him $495 shipped, then we were stuck with buying locally from Kyosho for the 45 and Wide Radius at a total of $290 in order to try to save SOME shipping and customs. With the rough deal on pricing over here (Kyosho GP Circuit 50 costing $822!) & the pieces not joining as we'd like, you can imagine why we were frustrated before getting back to the net here to find out what was up...

So are Kyosho USA Mini Z Grand Prix Circuit 50 tracks the RCP US pattern or the Europe/Japan pattern, just to clarify?

Hope you can sort us out with the conversion pieces and thanks again for your help.

Jonny

The Mini-Z Grand Prix Circuit 50 track is a kit sold by Kyosho, Japan and their distributors. It is not sold in the USA.

Thanks,
John

Jonny
2007.07.25, 10:18 AM
Thanks John, understood.

Jonny