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ub0211042
2007.09.13, 01:38 AM
Hi Guys,

What can be used to strip off the paint off the firelap body?
I've ruined 1 bodyshell by using too much acetone and causing it melt and it looks milky. :D

I want to run my car with a see through (clear) bodyshell :cool:

Thanks!

jbevins
2007.09.13, 03:28 PM
I've heard model cars guys talk about using transmission fluid I think, not sure how that would affect a clear body????

ub0211042
2007.09.13, 04:58 PM
I've heard model cars guys talk about using transmission fluid I think, not sure how that would affect a clear body????

by using acetone, the black paint seems to go off fast but the red color (in my case a red enzo) need much more to take off the paint.

but acetone is a Corrosive substance and it will dull the plastic.
U can see how clear the windsheild is by swaping it with a little dash of acetone. But when a little too much applied the plastic tends to look milky.

i've read about the castrol super degreeser. will it eat up plastic?

briankstan
2007.09.13, 05:41 PM
I have used brake fluid. it works great on paints. it didn't work on the Kyosho autoscale paints.

the Castrol Degreaser won't work on the Kyosho autoscale paints either.

I don't know that the Iwaver paints are the same type or quality though.

Fovea3d
2007.09.13, 06:02 PM
I have used brake fluid. it works great on paints. it didn't work on the Kyosho autoscale paints.

the Castrol Degreaser won't work on the Kyosho autoscale paints either.

I don't know that the Iwaver paints are the same type or quality though.

Glosscoat is not usual clear enamel, in fact it is a clear plastic film applied hot over the paint. The paint is taken in sandwich between the base plastic of the body and the plastic glosscoat this is why it is impossible to strip it.

I-wavers have normal paint on them with no clear coat. Any paint remover should work. The windows are also tinted with semi-clear paint. The I-waver bodies are clear white. Oh, and acetone melts plastic, leave your body 5 hours in it and you will have some kind of soft paste :eek: ;)

ub0211042
2007.09.13, 09:51 PM
Glosscoat is not usual clear enamel, in fact it is a clear plastic film applied hot over the paint. The paint is taken in sandwich between the base plastic of the body and the plastic glosscoat this is why it is impossible to strip it.

I-wavers have normal paint on them with no clear coat. Any paint remover should work. The windows are also tinted with semi-clear paint. The I-waver bodies are clear white. Oh, and acetone melts plastic, leave your body 5 hours in it and you will have some kind of soft paste :eek: ;)

owh..thanks for ur guys replies...i will try to find some paint remover, any suggestion for cheap ones?

has anyone tried to strip off the paint before and had success doing it?

briankstan
2007.09.14, 12:36 AM
soak it in a plastic conainer with the brake fluid in it. it will strip the paint and it won't harm the plastic.

I just meant to say that nothing will strip the autoscale paint but the Iwaver paints are not the same.

ub0211042
2007.09.14, 01:12 AM
soak it in a plastic conainer with the brake fluid in it. it will strip the paint and it won't harm the plastic.

I just meant to say that nothing will strip the autoscale paint but the Iwaver paints are the same.

thanks brain, i will try out this weekend and get back to u guys

fangel
2007.09.16, 10:19 PM
seems interesting, I'm looking forward to the results.
It would be fairly cool to see a clear S7 or Ford GT.

kja812
2007.09.17, 01:16 PM
seems interesting, I'm looking forward to the results.
It would be fairly cool to see a clear S7 or Ford GT.

Firelap should consider selling unpainted "clear bodies" for those who want to paint themselves. I would paint on the inside just like larger scale lexan bodies. If you consider this, including masks for the windows would be great. Just an idea!

hrdrvr
2007.09.17, 03:51 PM
Firelap should consider selling unpainted "clear bodies" for those who want to paint themselves. I would paint on the inside just like larger scale lexan bodies. If you consider this, including masks for the windows would be great. Just an idea!

I think the bodies are too thick to paint from beneath and look right.

Unpainted would still be a nice option as Id like some color choices that arent available :D

ub0211042
2007.09.17, 05:19 PM
haha guess what, my lil project went wrong...the brake fluid does remove the paint but dulls the plastic...u can see it in the attachment.

i do think firelap should sell the clear body, someone sure want to paint according to their taste.

but for me, i want to run the car see through :D so that i can see all the bling in my car :D :D

briankstan
2007.09.17, 06:34 PM
sorry to hear that. I've only used it on the white bodies from Kyosho.

fangel
2007.09.17, 08:39 PM
ub0211042,
I'm very sorry that it turns out this way, however it does kinda looks like it's a white body now...(even though it not as smooth)

I would agree that sell a pure clear/white body might be the next best thing to come, I'll talk with the factory to look into this.

ub0211042
2007.09.18, 12:40 AM
it's ok, at least we all know what the brake oil can do the plastic haha...
Fangel, i really hope they can sell the pure clear body and i don't mind buying at a normal price (painted ones) :D

i've asked t o y e a s t about this but unfortunately they say cannot.

fangel
2007.09.18, 10:04 PM
ub0211042,
I would like to know who has you asked about this?
I know currently we do not have this solution in stock, but I would have to reflect to the factory for this.

ub0211042
2007.09.18, 11:00 PM
ub0211042,
I would like to know who has you asked about this?
I know currently we do not have this solution in stock, but I would have to reflect to the factory for this.

Hi Fangel,
I asked May about this on Sept 11 2007, I was told that u guys had asked about this before but no success, but i am not in any way upset about the fact that ur guys can't get it. I do understand that it is on the factory side.
Btw, send my regards to Karen.

fangel
2007.09.19, 08:52 AM
I would suggest that we could propose all your suggestion through me, since I'm currently working on the product development as well as design. All your input will help improve future models.

Neomax
2008.02.27, 07:02 PM
Hmmm, righty guys, interesting thread, like the idea of running a clear shell, i often begrudge putting a shell on my cars, especially my HFAY car, that thing has more alloy than Kyosho..lol always seems a shame to cover it.

Well, if your wanting to clear up a shell the easiest way to do it is going to be the hard way :p get stuck in with emmery cloth and when all the paint is gone, use T-cut, (not sure what they would call it in the USA) but that stuff is great at cleaning up shells, especially when you have traded paint with a few people and have all the colours of the rainbow up side of your car!
All you have to be careful of is not using it too much, as it is a superfine abbrasive, so it does rub away a minor amount of paintwork, you never know, rub it enough and it may strip the shell back to bare plastic. If i had one i'd try it for you.
WARNING
T-cut can and WILL remove paint, in fine layers, becareful when using on your fav shells.
Neo

fangel
2008.02.27, 09:56 PM
hum...very interesting.
I'm guessing it basically kinda like a very fine sand paper and you rub the paint off little by little. With a fine hand, this might be the easiest way, but it might take a lot of long night and you can't be watching TV while doing it, since I guess you would have to focus on it.

rharris
2008.02.27, 11:21 PM
I use Castro Superclean Degreaser (comes in the purple container) to strip paint off of bodies. It doesn't work very well on autoscales (nothing works on autoscales) but it works very well on Tamiya paints.

just fill up a container with the stuff and let the body soak for a few days.

fangel
2008.02.28, 08:12 PM
more and more method to remove paint, I know the reasons with autoscales should be because of the thick clear coat on the body. Tamiya paint is kind of designed to be strips, you could just use liquid thinner to remove most of the paint even if it is quite old.

ub0211042
2008.02.29, 12:36 AM
so fangel, any news that u might get some clear firelap body for us?

Neomax
2008.03.01, 08:25 AM
I have an Enzo iWaver shell, i might try it with that!
The emmery cloth is like a really fine sandpaper, backed on cloth, but T-Cut is a liquid polish, kinda yellowish in colour and aparently has ground down fish bones in it, making it extremely fine, to such a degree i use it to get rid of minor scratches on my REAL car aswell as my autoscales and iWavers...
I'll post up results of using emmery cloth and T-Cut when i get chance to try it...
Watch this space!

homestar21
2008.03.02, 05:03 PM
But for sure brake fluid will not mess with a Kyosho whitebody? That would be just what I need!

fangel
2008.03.03, 10:01 PM
No one has actually said anything about successfully stripping the paint on autoscaler bodies, the brake fluid idea is for Firelap/iwaver body, but the little project above just went wrong. Please stripe paint at your own risk.

I'm looking forward to results from Neomax.

Neomax
2008.03.06, 04:48 PM
Righty then lads, i've started!
The T-cut does work but is VERY slow, however it does maintain clarity of the plastic, but as i am impatient, i am using emmery cloth (wet and dry sandpaper you may know it as) and that is working very well in a bowl of water, i'm doing it on an Enzo and its not the best shell for it as there are a lot of REALLY fiddly bits that i am having to do with a knife. The plastic is fogging slightly as obviously the emmery cloth is roughing it up, but i will use the T-cut again when all the paint is off, and i am very sure it will bring back the clarity, i'll keep you posted.
Current working time: about 2 hours.
ETF: about another 30 mins stripping + another hour maybe of polishing with T-cut, maybe less.

Neo

Neomax
2008.03.06, 08:02 PM
Well here it is lads, i reckon you will be as pleased with the results as i am, better than i thought and.... it can get better, with more T-cut it could get about 30% better than it is now, as with close inspection you can still see minor scratches. I also need to get it on a chassis worth looking at, as this is near as damn it a stock iWaver.


The start:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/Start.jpg

This is with the paint sanded off with 800 grade emmery cloth (wet n Dry sand paper, medium fine)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/PaintStrippped.jpg

This is after a rub down with 1500 grade emmery cloth (Wet n Dry sand paper, super fine)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/1500gradeEmmery.jpg

This is after T-cut was applied, you will notice this makes a MASSIVE difference!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/Tcut.jpg

And this is after a hard wax polish is applied. Normal light photo and flash light photo.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/Polished.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/PolishedFlash.jpg

Pictures on Chassis.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/DSCF3860.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/DSCF3859.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/DSCF3858.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/malthebarber/Clear%20Shell/DSCF3857.jpg

Well it took about 4 hours in total, it would have been quicker (considerably) if i'd chosen an easier shell to do, the Enzo has waayyy too many nooks and crannys where the emmery cloth struggles to get, getting the majority sanded off took about 20 mins, the rest was all the akward bits!...lol
What ya reckon guys?

Neo..

ub0211042
2008.03.06, 08:11 PM
:eek:it works! great job neomax, how i wish i can get those T-Cut in Malaysia....:(

any other solution?:D

Neomax
2008.03.06, 08:21 PM
Search this item number on the bay . co . uk

120228890609

This is the exact one i used.
I tried on the bay . com and couldn't find it, you may have to get it from uk, try looking up what it is made of and see what you can get where you live.
There will be something similar, as all T-cut really is, is a colour restorer/scratch remover.

fangel
2008.03.06, 08:24 PM
Sounds like a lot of works, but I guess it's well worth it.
Since this would be the first Enzo Clear shell in the market.
Even Kyosho only has the white body set, but our Firelap is a single piece construction so it is much more structurally tough shell. I can't wait to see your results.

fangel
2008.03.06, 08:35 PM
you all beat me to the post, it looks really cool, I guess it would be very cool if you use the black or white body as the base, since all the line would be highlighted in black or white lines.
I think you could find something similar to the T-cut, If Neomax is correct, you should look for scratch restorer/remover.
Maybe something like "Displex", since it is used for surface as fine as touch screen, and it only works on plastic.
I guess it should be milder then the T-cut which is used for auto paint.

ub0211042
2008.03.06, 10:22 PM
thanks for the tips neo:)

Neomax
2008.03.07, 08:25 AM
Thanks guys, i agree that the lines would look better in black, i could get them off altogether, but they help keep the lines of the car and make it distinctive!

fangel
2008.03.09, 10:56 PM
I would agree that keeping the line is what makes the body unqiue.
Since it's kinda like wireframe, which si really cool if you ask me.

marc
2008.07.31, 12:46 PM
Hi Guys,

I want to run my car with a see through (clear) bodyshell :cool:

Thanks!

That would be cool, sort of a WonderWoman's racer huh? Or a Ghost Racer. Be cool if you could lite it up in such a way that the entire body glows.

fangel
2008.07.31, 09:26 PM
This shouldn't be too hard, all you need is some EL wire on the body.
Then the entire body should glow. It's kinda like Fiber glass wire.

marc
2008.08.03, 10:41 PM
you mean fiber optic?

fangel
2008.08.04, 10:55 PM
yes, I do mean Fiber optic.
I must have been thinking about something else when I was writing this.