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Tim Johnson
2007.09.26, 07:59 PM
Team Orion long known world wide as the leader in RC battery technology has now begun to further give its attention to one of the fastest growing segments in RC, the Micro and Mini-Z market.

With all new AA, and AAA NiMH batteries coming to market this fall Team Orion is sure enhance the performance of your Mini-Z or 1:18 vehicles. Packing a whopping 1.25Volts per cell our AA and AAAs provide voltage previously only found on high end precision electronic cells.

For the 1:18 scales such as the Kyosho Half 8 we are introducing a new 2700 AA cell increasing the capacity as well as the performance.

For the Mini-Z market we are taking it a step further and providing two levels of AAAs. First for the racer we have the 900HV (High Voltage) for outright performance. Then for the Hobbyist where often run time is key we are releasing the 1100RT (Run Time) featuring a larger capacity.

Whether stocking your store or storing in your stocking these are sure to be a hot item this Holiday Season!

Now Available in the following styles:

ORI13202 2700 AA 1.25V NiMH

ORI13201 900HV AAA 1.25V NiMH $10.99 MSRP

ORI13502 1100RT AAA 1.25V NiMH $9.99 MSRP

http://www.teamorion.com/orion/products/aaa_pack_lores.jpg

arch2b
2007.09.26, 08:11 PM
just as important, what is the price range?

rharris
2007.09.26, 08:15 PM
very cool.... thanks tim.

Tim Johnson
2007.09.26, 08:17 PM
np guys. I have seen the Turbo Matcher numbers on these batteries compaired to some of the widly used AAA's, and I am pretty shocked....We will see what they do in the cars though. :)

I don't have pricing just yet.

arch2b
2007.09.26, 09:49 PM
ok.
thanks for the info! :)

Spoon
2007.09.26, 11:04 PM
I am definitely interested but Arch hit the nail on the head. I think they are going to have to hit the <$10 for me to consider a wholesale change. In the 10-12 range I would get a few sets to test them out. Above 15 and I would wait to hear awesome reviews from the early adopters before I thought about picking some up

Anyway, cool idea. I like the two versions...

TALLGEESE
2007.09.27, 12:04 AM
I've used Team Orion's batteries before for larger scale RC vehicles, and they seemed to be pretty high quality... Hopefully these AAA's should be no exception.. I'd like to try a set of both the high voltage and run time versions to see how they perform.. It's nice to see other companies offering more battery options for the Mini-Z..

herman
2007.09.27, 03:22 AM
hmmm.... quite interesting.... having known that kyosho bought into orion, i guess it was inevitable that they'd get into producing high performance aaa batts for the mini-z...

i'm even speculating that maybe an orion equivalent of atomic's stock r evolution or chili evolution motor is in the works...

Tim Johnson
2007.09.27, 12:05 PM
Pricing added.

arch2b
2007.09.27, 12:17 PM
Pricing added.
wow, nice price point to boot :) very competitively price against the other major brands like intellect, gp, etc.

Draconious
2007.09.27, 04:52 PM
Any plans for a fancy charger to go with them?

Just pondering if I should wait or snag one now...
I am going to retire all my IC3 cells... even though some are not even opened yet... just sick of them turning off during a race.

rharris
2007.09.30, 01:52 AM
Are thease on the market yet? Any idea who's stocking them?

it would be cool to take some to the worlds

herman
2007.09.30, 10:23 PM
it would be cool to take some to the worlds
indeed... cool... and good luck... :D
it would be even cooler if they release a motor around the same time too... :D

Tim Johnson
2007.10.01, 11:44 AM
when is the PN worlds?

rharris
2007.10.02, 01:02 AM
The PN world cup will be held on October 26th - 28th in Almada Portugal.

TheRinger
2007.10.02, 09:25 PM
Team Orion long known world wide as the leader in RC battery technology has now begun to further give its attention to one of the fastest growing segments in RC, the Micro and Mini-Z market.

With all new AA, and AAA NiMH batteries coming to market this fall Team Orion is sure enhance the performance of your Mini-Z or 1:18 vehicles. Packing a whopping 1.25Volts per cell our AA and AAAs provide voltage previously only found on high end precision electronic cells.

For the 1:18 scales such as the Kyosho Half 8 we are introducing a new 2700 AA cell increasing the capacity as well as the performance.

For the Mini-Z market we are taking it a step further and providing two levels of AAAs. First for the racer we have the 900HV (High Voltage) for outright performance. Then for the Hobbyist where often run time is key we are releasing the 1100RT (Run Time) featuring a larger capacity.

Whether stocking your store or storing in your stocking these are sure to be a hot item this Holiday Season!

Now Available in the following styles:

ORI13202 2700 AA 1.25V NiMH

ORI13201 900HV AAA 1.25V NiMH $10.99 MSRP

ORI13502 1100RT AAA 1.25V NiMH $9.99 MSRP

http://www.teamorion.com/orion/products/aaa_pack_lores.jpg
Anyone know when these are coming out? I would like to add them to my collection of batteries.

arch2b
2007.10.02, 10:01 PM
weeks atleast is my guess

CristianTabush
2007.10.03, 10:29 AM
We heard 3-6 weeks last week, so it probably means 5-8 ;)

arch2b
2007.10.03, 12:10 PM
thats abotu what i hear too so i think your latter estimate is more realistic and a safer estimate. better to be early than late :)

Tim Johnson
2007.10.04, 12:53 AM
look at 3~6 weeks from the day that I started this thread.

wcrotty
2007.11.11, 10:44 PM
Any word on when the batteries will be out.

It's been six weeks :)

CristianTabush
2007.11.27, 07:01 PM
Did I not say 5-8??? ;) hehe, anyways, any word?

Tim Johnson
2007.11.27, 07:15 PM
They may be here the first week of December, providing no more delays.

wcrotty
2007.12.03, 04:25 PM
Hi Tim

Any more delays on the AAAs?

Tim Johnson
2007.12.03, 04:35 PM
They may be here the first week of December, providing no more delays.

:) :p :p :D :) :)

Tim Johnson
2007.12.06, 12:15 PM
The 900HV 1100RT and the 2700AA cells have arrived, and will be shipping today.

michvin
2007.12.06, 01:56 PM
The 900HV cells have arrived, and will be shipping today.
will these cells be available online somewhere or only through hobby shops?
THanks
Oops, never mind - found them :)

rharris
2007.12.06, 02:29 PM
The 900HV 1100RT and the 2700AA cells have arrived, and will be shipping today.

Awsome, thanks Tim.

pchan0
2007.12.06, 03:12 PM
will these cells be available online somewhere or only through hobby shops?
THanks
Oops, never mind - found them :)

Can you tell me where you found them? Looking for the 1100RT ones...

michvin
2007.12.06, 03:19 PM
Can you tell me where you found them? Looking for the 1100RT ones...
Tow...-hobbies. Availability - Mid/Late December though :(

arch2b
2007.12.06, 03:21 PM
any kyosho dealer/retailer will have these (if they order them) including the shop here. my club has already ensured our local hobby shops ordered them already.

yasuji
2007.12.09, 09:30 PM
any kyosho dealer/retailer will have these (if they order them) including the shop here. my club has already ensured our local hobby shops ordered them already.
finally.....got to try the 1100 rt as well as the 900 hv
1100 rt.....kinda like the duracell 1000s that i use didnt notice any longer run time approx 15 min in my full mod pn pan car
900 hv.......all i can say is .....
WOW!!!!!!!these r awesome batts for the price
straight off the charger...it makes my car almost undrivable
only problem is that they will not charge on my duracell 15 min charger
UPDATED........I figured out how to get them to charge on mt duracell 15 min charger.....there are 2 wrapings around these batts....the printed orion wrap and another clear wrap under that....all i did was take the orion wrap off and now it will charge in the duracell charger i dont know why.....but its workin now
so i have to use my lacross
i did however try, for the first time in my car,intellects...... they are unbelievable
these will charge on my duracell 15 min charger
philip has been running them and i have been trying to find a motor that would keep up with his....... now i can run a off the shelf anima and keep up with him on the straights.....
my recomendation is to get your hands on the orion 900 hv :eek: :eek: :D

rharris
2007.12.10, 12:53 AM
Grant's rite. I picked up some of the 900's and Wow - they pack a punch. They seem to have a good run time too. I went 10 min with a 4x4 stack AD pan car and I didn't notice any drop. I got the same feedback from Philip and Chad as from Grant.

FYI, I charged min with a ma-9000 at 1.2 amps. I let the charger cut off all by itself. No venting. Nice. I have to keep a close eye in my intelects or they will vent.

Spoon
2007.12.10, 08:17 AM
I've gotta check in with my LHS today. I'm on the east coast so I may have to wait an extra day or two! :mad: :mad: :p

Tim Johnson
2007.12.10, 11:05 AM
I've gotta check in with my LHS today. I'm on the east coast so I may have to wait an extra day or two! :mad: :mad: :p

I am glad to see that all of you are happy with these cells. I can't help but wonder how everyones strat will change.

wcrotty
2007.12.10, 12:42 PM
I can't wait to see the results on my turbo GFX........be interesting to see the intellects vs 900hv

Kamer
2007.12.10, 05:08 PM
got my today, now the question is whats the best way to charge them. Usuell i running with 1,2Amp, however on the infosheet the 900 are listen with charging max off 0.9amp.

Anyone know whats best for does.

thanks

arch2b
2007.12.10, 05:11 PM
anyone have the info sheet they can scan?

pinoyboy
2007.12.11, 12:26 AM
I was able to order some before they sold out on Kenon. I'll refresh them on my BC-900s and post the data around Thursday. I'll also be able to give a racing report as well after the race Saturday.

herman
2007.12.11, 03:02 AM
i just noticed that the batteries are 1.25v... other rechargables say 1.2v...
does the .05v really make a difference?

wwwes
2007.12.13, 02:34 PM
any idea on where I can find some of these?????

pinoyboy
2007.12.14, 09:31 AM
I refreshed all 5 sets and did a couple charge tests on the Team Orion 900s. Lowest rating was 734mah and the highest was 891mah. Voltages were 1.46 except one.

They probably should have been advertised as 800-850mah, but that should still be enough for stock racing which I will be using these for. I'll give my take on performance tomorrow after the race.

Tim Johnson
2007.12.14, 11:10 AM
I refreshed all 5 sets and did a couple charge tests on the Team Orion 900s. Lowest rating was 734mah and the highest was 891mah. Voltages were 1.46 except one.

They probably should have been advertised as 800-850mah, but that should still be enough for stock racing which I will be using these for. I'll give my take on performance tomorrow after the race.

That does not seem right. what charger did you use, and what was your process to come to these numbers?

This weekend I plan on running both 1100 and 900 through a turbo matcher. That I am sure will give us some solid numbers :)

pinoyboy
2007.12.14, 11:39 AM
That does not seem right. what charger did you use, and what was your process to come to these numbers?

This weekend I plan on running both 1100 and 900 through a turbo matcher. That I am sure will give us some solid numbers :)

I used a Lacrosse BC-900. I did a refresh on all and a charge test on a 2 sets. I had a 12" fan blowing air to keep temps down. None of the sets showed signs of venting like Intellects, so they should be in good condition. I'll do a charge test again and see if numbers are different. So far, these are the numbers all off mine had.

1. 1.46v/ 861mah
2. 1.46/ 830mah
3. 1.46/ 846mah
4. 1.46v/ 756mah
5. 1.46v/ 835mah
6. 1.46v/ 817mah
7. 1.46v/ 801mah
8. 1.46v/ 838mah
9. 1.46v/ 735mah
10. 1.46v/ 734mah
11. 1.46v/ 772mah
12. 1.46v/ 836mah
13. 1.46v/ 809mah
14. 1.45v/ 808mah
15. 1.46v/ 821mah
16. 1.46v/ 829mah
17. 1.46v/ 868mah
18. 1.46v/ 852mah
19. 1.46v/ 891mah
20. 1.46v/ 840mah

**edit** cells 1-8 were refreshed at a charge rate of 700mah. 9-20 were done at 1000mah

I also weighed the batteries and compared them to what I have
1 Team orion 900 12G
1 Intellect 750 12.6G
1 Duracell 1000 12.8G

If any of my numbers, especially the capacities and voltages, are different from what everybody else has, then please let me know as I might have just received 5 bad sets.

Spoon
2007.12.14, 11:47 AM
It will take me a couple of days to get through my first few sets. I'll post numbers when I have them. I'll be used a Maha charger.

Kamer
2007.12.14, 03:52 PM
anyone have the info sheet they can scan?


Sorry dont have a scan, its just on the backside of the pack the coming in.



Kamer

jjlove
2007.12.14, 08:52 PM
I tried the 900's today with a bone stock spec car that we are running at our track. Wow what a difference. I tried these against my best set and they blew the other set away. I ran two practice races against another spec car 1st with my best set and we had the same straight line speed. Next I put in the 900hv and if we were together before the 20 foot straight and I hit it, I would pull the other guy by a couple of feet be the end of the straight. I was able to break the draft and lose him. Then he put in a set and we were back to the same speed again. Very well done. Besides top speed I did notice that the 900hv had a bit more punch also.

pinoyboy
2007.12.14, 09:00 PM
Charge tested a grouped set, and had 2 go over 900mah, one did 911mah and the other 941mah. The 4 in this set all went up in capacity.

I ran them in the house and they do seem to have more punch than my duracells Also, there is no noticeable drop in power after 15 minutes. I did discharge this set and put it through a charge test again, hoping the capacities would increase again, but they came out in the 800s :confused:

mk2kompressor
2007.12.14, 09:30 PM
just out of interest,what charger and rate are you using?

pinoyboy
2007.12.14, 09:51 PM
just out of interest,what charger and rate are you using?

Lacrosse BC-900. Charging at 1 amp although they reccommend 1C(.9amps). I figured that shoudn't be bad for the batteries. Rharris charges at 1.2 and yasuji uses a duracell charger(2.5-3 amps?) and are liking the results with their batteries. I like the performance of the batteries, but nothing to make me say wow, but it may be different when I get it on the track.

I'll do a charge test on 2 different sets at 700mah and see what results I get.

mk2kompressor
2007.12.14, 11:17 PM
is that 1a from break in?
you could possibly get more out of them on a .1c initial charge,discharge at .1c(this is where most batt makers get the mah figure from)
its ok to charge at 1c after this but i give mine a good slowcharge every once in a while :)

pinoyboy
2007.12.14, 11:27 PM
is that 1a from break in?
you could possibly get more out of them on a .1c initial charge,discharge at .1c(this is where most batt makers get the mah figure from)
its ok to charge at 1c after this but i give mine a good slowcharge every once in a while :)

break in might have been at 700 on some of the sets, 1000 on the rest. Not really sure :confused:

pinoyboy
2007.12.15, 09:43 AM
the following were charge tested again at 700mah and these are the results

3. 846mah
4. 791mah
8. 858mah
9. 767mah
10. 759mah
11. 825mah
12. 856mah
20. 852mah

All increased in capacity except one, which stayed the same. So if your charging over 1c, although the cells aren't venting, they don't get the most capacity out of them. I also haven't noticed any difference in punch if you charge over 1c.

I've only charged at a max of 1.1c though, so maybe anything greater than that you might see a noticeable difference. All this of course is nothing new about charging batteries and how it effects their life and performance.

mk2kompressor
2007.12.15, 11:45 AM
good info :)

ive got some battery updates for the new year coming soon on another thread stay tuned ;)

pinoyboy
2007.12.15, 06:09 PM
Just got home from racing and thought I'd give my impression on how they performed. I ran in stock and F1. Are stock class uses the stock ready set motor and my F1 has a Speedy AWD II arm in a Atomic ball bearing can.

I did find myself saying wow when I first used a set :p. First stock qualifier, I found my car hard to control with the extra punch. There was also a bit more top end too. I finished 2nd in the first qualifier, but I went to a softer T-plate to get more rear traction and ended up being TQ and winning stock class.

In F1, the increase in performance was a little more noticeable in punch and speed. I could see a difference in these over my Duracell 1000s. I had to to decrease my throttle expo so I wouldn't lose control coming out of corners.

Even with the capacities the batteries have, they did well in the 5 minute qualifiers and 7 minute mains. I was actually a little scared they might start to dump in the F1 main considering the motor and the heavier weight to push around. Anyways, last race, my fastest lap in the F1 main was 5.53. Today, it was 5.07 in the first run of the main, but core missed 2 of my laps, so we restarted.

jjlove
2007.12.16, 04:58 PM
Had some time to kill today so I did some dyno testing on my Tamia speed checker. My speed checker has been modified to provide resistance so that the car does not just free wheel. The car that I was using was a bone stock MR-015 and here is what I found out...

Intellect 750

Top speed: 17 kph
Time trial 1: 4.50 @ 20m
Time trial 2: 10.3 @ 50m

Orion 900HV

Top speed: 19kph
Time trial 1: 4.12 @ 20m
Time trial 2: 10.00 @ 50m

pchan0
2007.12.22, 10:35 AM
Tim,

Is this for Japanese market only?

ORI13203
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/ORION_13203.jpg

ORI13204
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/ORION_13204.jpg

Tim Johnson
2007.12.23, 03:33 AM
that looks old........odd.

pinoyboy
2008.01.02, 03:35 PM
So did anyone get numbers for their cells? I bought one more set and I discharged it at 100mah and charged at 200mah to see if it would make any difference. Unfortunately, it didn't, the cells were still in the high 700mah mid 800mah range.

Spoon
2008.01.02, 03:57 PM
So did anyone get numbers for their cells? I bought one more set and I discharged it at 100mah and charged at 200mah to see if it would make any difference. Unfortunately, it didn't, the cells were still in the high 700mah mid 800mah range.

I am getting high 700's to low 800's.

I don't think I've gotten anything above 850 or even close to that. That's from memory but I did 5 sets. Fully cycled on a bank of Maha chargers and then refreshed to test the capacity.

arch2b
2008.01.02, 04:47 PM
i'm happier i opted for the higher mah cells now. they should top off about 900 then.

lfisminiz
2008.01.02, 09:37 PM
Im not so sure the readings matter. The cells are very fast, you can notice it. Lasting 5-10 min heats/main is no problem. :)

wcrotty
2008.01.02, 10:41 PM
I have gone through the numbers on my turbo GFX and hands down they are the best cells out on the market

I have tested

Sanyo 1000s
Intillect 750s
powerizers 1000s
tenergy 1000s
orion 1100s
orion 900s
green cells from atomic mods


i charge at 1.5 amps with a .01 cutoff
and discharge at 6 amps with a .9 cutoff.


the test gives me avg voltage(speed of the cell) Actual internal resistance AIR (Punch of the cell) and discharge time (run time of the cell) It does tell other information but these are what i match my cells by.

by far the orion cells have the best in every part of the test.

Gigibesi
2008.01.03, 12:26 AM
actually the japanese market is the same as US market just the capacity diffrence it have .. the HV version is 750 mah while the RT version is 900mah.. i also notice the votltage on the japanese market is 1.2vlot compare to 1.25volt we have here.... this wat i find.. not sure why they did like that either...

Tim Johnson
2008.01.03, 11:03 AM
actually the japanese market is the same as US market just the capacity diffrence it have .. the HV version is 750 mah while the RT version is 900mah.. i also notice the votltage on the japanese market is 1.2vlot compare to 1.25volt we have here.... this wat i find.. not sure why they did like that either...

two different markets wanting two different things. :)

Gigibesi
2008.01.03, 11:12 AM
two different markets wanting two different things. :)

proformance wise will it be the same?

:confused:

Tim Johnson
2008.01.03, 10:32 PM
proformance wise will it be the same?

:confused:

performance will NOT change. Infact you will be wasting your money if pay the freight to purchase them from Japan.....

Gigibesi
2008.01.03, 11:27 PM
performance will NOT change. Infact you will be wasting your money if pay the freight to purchase them from Japan.....

i see thanks for the information :)

wcrotty
2008.01.07, 10:51 PM
BTW,

One great thing i noticed about the batteries.

I tested a bunch before i went up to Toronto for the PN race and then tested them after and the batteries stayed the same for numbers. And the numbers were VERY good.

AIR didn't rise, Avg voltage didn't drop and runtime was still awesome.

The funny thing with the cells also. When i was driving my AWD stock car i was geared the highest i could go. I was worried about making a 10 min main with the car. I had never run a 10 min race with that car and gearing with the cells......so i was half throttle the entire race. I made runtime no problem at all and i was bummed i just didn't open it up the entire race. Oh well....next time.

herman
2008.01.08, 04:23 AM
i also notice the votltage on the japanese market is 1.2vlot compare to 1.25volt we have here....
finally somebody else noticed this.... and wondering if the extra .05volts matter? or make a difference?

byebye
2008.01.08, 06:54 AM
BTW,

One great thing i noticed about the batteries.

I tested a bunch before i went up to Toronto for the PN race and then tested them after and the batteries stayed the same for numbers. And the numbers were VERY good.

AIR didn't rise, Avg voltage didn't drop and runtime was still awesome.

The funny thing with the cells also. When i was driving my AWD stock car i was geared the highest i could go. I was worried about making a 10 min main with the car. I had never run a 10 min race with that car and gearing with the cells......so i was half throttle the entire race. I made runtime no problem at all and i was bummed i just didn't open it up the entire race. Oh well....next time.

So at half throttle where did you finish?

Kris

Gigibesi
2008.01.16, 11:46 AM
is can anyone shed light on the 0.05 vold diff between jap market and US market?

herman
2008.01.17, 01:21 AM
can anyone shed light on the 0.05 vold diff between jap market and US market?

i don't think its the difference between the us and jap markets...
i think its just the difference period...
as far as i remember... i don't think i've seen rechargables in 1.25v as most are 1.2v...

i want to know the same thing (see post #40 & #70)... and would appreciate any answer... :D

Felix2010
2008.01.23, 01:23 AM
I have gone through the numbers on my turbo GFX and hands down they are the best cells out on the market

I have tested

Sanyo 1000s
Intillect 750s
powerizers 1000s
tenergy 1000s
orion 1100s
orion 900s
green cells from atomic mods


i charge at 1.5 amps with a .01 cutoff
and discharge at 6 amps with a .9 cutoff.


the test gives me avg voltage(speed of the cell) Actual internal resistance AIR (Punch of the cell) and discharge time (run time of the cell) It does tell other information but these are what i match my cells by.

by far the orion cells have the best in every part of the test.

Thanks for posting your findings Bill. :D
You own a Turbo GFX? That's one serious piece of equipment. :cool: I'd love to own one. Don't know many people who have one so your results from testing AAA NiMh cells is much appreciated. I don't have a lot of charger-experience, I only own a MAHA MH-C9000 at this time. I'd like to get a charger that can measure Actual Internal Resistance (AIR) as this info is crucial to know along with voltage and capacity. Could you tell me what the difference is between Relative Internal Resistance and Actual Internal Resistance please, and which is more important? Is the Turbo GFX the only device that can measure AIR, or is the IR measurements from say a Duratrax ICE AIR or RII ?
Thanks again.:D