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pchan0
2007.10.11, 11:16 AM
Shown at the 47th Japan hobby show is this MR-02LM wheelbase vehicle equipped with 2.4Ghz system.

2.4Ghz is coming! :)

http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0011.JPG

Source: Proshop Futaba (http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/index.htm)

mini-z
2007.10.11, 11:54 AM
YES!!! I'm liking the LM bodies too!

http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/prs-1.html

I wonder if the RAYS are real magnesium? (j/k!) :D

arch2b
2007.10.11, 12:09 PM
here are the images from the pro-s futaba site:
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0179.JPG
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0013.JPG
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0011.JPG
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0010.JPG
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0009.JPG
http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/hsphoto/SANY0008.JPG

HaCo
2007.10.11, 12:22 PM
Awesome news, but in Japan (as well as in Belgium) 2.4Ghz is not allowed, so why the hell do they bring out such a product? I think it is greaaat and the bodies are aaaaaaaaaaawesome too!!!

TALLGEESE
2007.10.11, 12:25 PM
OMG!! That is awesome, finally we get official LeMans style cars from Kyosho... You can even get the Rothman's Porsche, wow, it looks like they updated the Mid-Mount motor pod too... Finally, 2.4Ghz in a Mini-Z, I'm really not that surprised though.. Considering how many other companies are switching over to this setup,{Spectrum, Futaba}.. Team Losi is now offering their kits with these style radios now as well.. Very cool :cool::cool:...

pinoyboy
2007.10.11, 12:40 PM
does that new style chassis have a disc damper already? Anyone know what these might cost? :confused:

arch2b
2007.10.11, 12:44 PM
not really modified per sae but looks more like a disc damper kit added to it vs. the typ. motor cover.

as soon as these are out, i'm hoping i can move all my cars over to this setup to avoid frequency issues.

kja812
2007.10.11, 12:47 PM
I'll buy one when they are available.

I don't see any springs on that motor pod that look like a typical disc damper, maybe the plastic just flexes like the bottom h-plate.

Does that new controller look top heavy to anyone else? It will definitely feel weird in the hands without the batteries below your wrist.

pinoyboy
2007.10.11, 12:48 PM
not really modified per sae but looks more like a disc damper kit added to it vs. the typ. motor cover.

as soon as these are out, i'm hoping i can move all my cars over to this setup to avoid frequency issues.

Yup, i'd like to do the same as well. I'm also wondering if they kept the motor limit the fets can handle the same? Actually, now that i think of it, it probably wouldn't matter as the 2.4ghz alone would put these in a different class than the regular AM cars.

Road Block
2007.10.11, 12:51 PM
OMG , Am I the only one thinking that the remote is butt ugly?
Props to kyosho for bringing 2.4G to the mini-Z chassis,
no more glitching woohoo!

arch2b
2007.10.11, 12:58 PM
i have to agree the remote is horrible looking. reminds me of the p.o.s. xmods came with.

wow, thanks for bringing that up... adding 2.4ghz to the line up will certianly complicate racing series as now you have to qualify what level of stock, etc. i can only assume they might be lumped in with ad-band class unless the pcb has the same 2x1 of 3010 which would then mean it's a stock fet board with better rx/tx functionality where as the ad-band is 2x2 and a clear performance upgrade in the pcb.

TALLGEESE
2007.10.11, 01:03 PM
OMG , Am I the only one thinking that the remote is butt ugly?
Props to kyosho for bringing 2.4G to the mini-Z chassis,
no more glitching woohoo!

Nope, you're not the only one, that controller does look horrible.. I'd still use it though:D... I don't think that the 2.4Ghz systems use long antenna's on the chassis's/reciever either.. No more broken antennas... I bet that in the near future a Mini-Z AWD version will probably come out as well.. Maybe even the F1??

arch2b
2007.10.11, 01:05 PM
i'm sure it's in the plans although ad-band never made it to f1's.

i'd love to se pictures of the pcb to see it's an easy conversion to awd and f1?

bobbyz
2007.10.11, 02:03 PM
I Just Had A Feeling Better 2.4ghz Stuff Was Coming. The Bodies Are Great Too!!!

MikeL
2007.10.11, 02:32 PM
I Just Had A Feeling Better 2.4ghz Stuff Was Coming. The Bodies Are Great Too!!!

2.4ghz is great, but if you can't bind it to other radios, that is going to keep some people away.

simpleskin
2007.10.11, 02:32 PM
Awesome! Love Porsche 956's Finally a pan car body based on a real car and one of my favorites to boot!

-j

arch2b
2007.10.11, 02:38 PM
2.4ghz is great, but if you can't bind it to other radios, that is going to keep some people away.
yes, i agree. i hope kyo doesn't include some proprietary electronics that make incompatible with existing equipment. that would be a waste of money.

MikeL
2007.10.11, 02:44 PM
yes, i agree. i hope kyo doesn't include some proprietary electronics that make incompatible with existing equipment. that would be a waste of money.

You can't really cross bind existing 2.4ghz system, except for say a nomadio which can bind to spektrum as well, so I would be very surprised if I could bind my Faast 3pk to this board. If the Perfex controller works well though and has proper adjustments I will use it even if it's ugly :)

arch2b
2007.10.11, 02:47 PM
i really don't knwo much about 2.4 systems however it would seem lacking if you could not get modules for existing radios. if i understand you correctly, this would be the case and i am mistaken.

TALLGEESE
2007.10.11, 03:03 PM
I see in the pictures that it says the 2.4Ghz transmitter automatically selects the frequency.. How does that work?? I've never used a 2.4Ghz system before.. I'm assuming that the transmitter scans/looks around and picks a frequency that no one else is using... Does this radio system use crystals?? I would think that this radio/reciever would'nt need them...

kja812
2007.10.11, 03:25 PM
I see in the pictures that it says the 2.4Ghz transmitter automatically selects the frequency.. How does that work?? I've never used a 2.4Ghz system before.. I'm assuming that the transmitter scans/looks around and picks a frequency that no one else is using... Does this radio system use crystals?? I would think that this radio/reciever would'nt need them...

No crystals - the radio bounces around on different channels automatically. The transmitter will have to share bandwidth with any other 2.4Ghz systems in the area (cordless phones etc...)

Here is a brief intro - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_spectrum

LeftHandedRacer
2007.10.11, 04:25 PM
hopefuly thay make a lefthanded tx :( or ill have to save for nice right/left. anybody know of a left handed tx for a good price?

CristianTabush
2007.10.11, 05:08 PM
Word on the street is 2.4GHz is going to be incorporated into the newest generation of Mini-Z's. Here's some pictures of some of the bodies as well as the car in stock 2.4ghz trim, with an incorporated disk damper. Look more like 1/24th scales...

MERGED THIS POST AS IT'S THE SAME TOPIC VS. DELETING IT.

CristianTabush
2007.10.11, 05:10 PM
Weird, wrote it this morning and it updated now, can you erase this Arch???

pinoyboy
2007.10.11, 07:26 PM
2.4ghz is great, but if you can't bind it to other radios, that is going to keep some people away.

Definitely. I'm really hoping its not some proprietary system. :eek:

pfcparts
2007.10.11, 09:19 PM
Looks like it could fit in the existing chassis so transplants into our current rides may not be out of the question hopefully.

Controller doesn't look half bad. I'd wait until I see how it feels in hand before any judgment. Battery placement has to be in the handle right?

Street date? Be a nice xmas gift lol.

Prolly cost an arm and leg x 2 + 3. :D

parts

pinoyboy
2007.10.11, 10:36 PM
PN Racing even has this info posted on their site. According to them, those new bodies are a 102mm wheelbase

Also, those new controllers look like a new revised version of the old Palm Runner transmitters :eek: :D

imxlr8ed
2007.10.12, 12:09 AM
Didn't even click on this thread yesterday, thought it was a question about a radio system.

I'll add my comment here too... Holy poopie!!!! Awesome stuff!

(what next?... factory 2.4 brushless systems?!?! :D )

TALLGEESE
2007.10.12, 12:25 AM
(what next?... factory 2.4 brushless systems?!?! :D )

A brushless Mini-Z straight from Kyosho!! How cool would that be.. I'd definitely buy one.. Maybe sometime in the future.. Hell, if Team Losi can make the Micro-T brushless, that's definately possible.. They're both right around the same size...

aimfox
2007.10.12, 09:44 AM
It's actually 2.4GHz so will this interfere with out devices that uses 2.4Ghz as well?

simpleskin
2007.10.12, 09:49 AM
Is it my imagination that the front wheels seem wider than normal? Look at pics of the LM chassis. The front wheels look wider. That's pretty cool.

-j

kja812
2007.10.12, 10:21 AM
It's actually 2.4GHz so will this interfere with out devices that uses 2.4Ghz as well?

It would fail FCC testing if it did - as far as I know devices like this need to go through verification testing before you get to use the little sticker and ability to sell in North America.

cowboysir
2007.10.12, 10:21 AM
It's actually 2.4GHz so will this interfere with out devices that uses 2.4Ghz as well?

The idea behind 2.4GHz is that (based on experience with my Spectrum) the radio when functioning has the option to choose from over 80 channels without locking completely on one. It will remain bound from one RX to one Tx without focusing on staying on one channel.

It is so unbelieveably unlikely that you will ever experience interference while using 2.4GHz.

Kind of makes all our conversions a waste of time, eh? :D

arch2b
2007.10.12, 10:37 AM
not if they use proprietary hardware....

fyi, the kyosho mini-z series official blog (http://mini-z.vox.com/library/post/2007-%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%83%A2%E3%83%87%E3%83%AB%E3%8 3%BB%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B8%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B7% E3%83%A7%E3%83%BC.html?_c=feed-atom) now has images up!

CristianTabush
2007.10.12, 10:48 AM
http://rajitensanda.blog73.fc2.com/

Check out the video of the cars running. They momentarily zoom in to the guys radio and it sure looks like he is running a Mars or Helios with a Spektrum module. If it is compatibel, it would be the ultimate stuff.

Spoon
2007.10.12, 10:56 AM
That guy definitely had a MARS. It makes sense that you can get a module for a KoPropo radio since the KO logo is right on the chassis.

MikeL
2007.10.12, 12:36 PM
That guy definitely had a MARS. It makes sense that you can get a module for a KoPropo radio since the KO logo is right on the chassis.

I would expect it for KO just like the AD band, hopefully you can fit it in a futaba with some modding like the AD module.

benmlee
2007.10.12, 01:01 PM
I hear that KO is coming out with spectrum system for all their radios. My guess is it will work with Kyosho.

Fovea3d
2007.10.12, 02:37 PM
I guess this is the KO Propo compatible TX.
http://www.rc-japan.de/BigPics/minizAFS.jpg

Fovea3d
2007.10.12, 02:43 PM
Close up pic of the 962C. Do I see classic tires? Now we really need 30, 20, 10° classis tires :rolleyes:

http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/porsche962.jpg

arch2b
2007.10.12, 02:48 PM
it's hard to tell... they could be just new tires which are actually thick. classic tires seem to look much thicker and the wheels are a noticably smaller diameter.

those are some good pictures

Spoon
2007.10.12, 02:56 PM
Okay, so it's not a MARS exactly but it looks like it came from the same mold.

http://www.kopropo.com/EX-1_marsR_image.gif

arch2b
2007.10.12, 03:00 PM
with thier tight relationship, lets just hope they sell an ex10 module.

Fovea3d
2007.10.12, 03:09 PM
Woahhh, I just noticed this :eek: :D :cool:
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/ASF1.jpg

arch2b
2007.10.12, 03:19 PM
looks similar if not the same as an ad-band port which is nothing really new. a closer look at the motor pod and you do see a change. the motor wires are run through a clip on the motor pod vs. one on the motor cover. notice the odd arrangement of wires/cap on the motor as well.

anyone think this will eb the same system used in the minium?

Fovea3d
2007.10.12, 03:30 PM
looks similar if not the same as an ices port which is nothing really new.
A agree, but I am glad to see this coming as standard feature on the mini-z line, and not only on AD Band and ATM boards ;)

LeftHandedRacer
2007.10.12, 03:41 PM
any news on price range?

pchan0
2007.10.12, 03:42 PM
Looks like the Ko Propo 2.4Ghz module will work with the 2.4Ghz Z board, but how to bind it? Nice to see the short antenna as well.

The 2.4Ghz module should be compatible with all Ko Propo radio with module system.

CristianTabush
2007.10.12, 05:07 PM
I believe that is the all new top of the line KO Radio System as well. I heard from my good friend David Joor, who runs for KO Propo that they were releasing a new radio system based on the MARS case. I think I might finally retire my TYPE R once that one is released.

Road Block
2007.10.12, 06:01 PM
The KO EX-1 is their latest Model, Its a 4 channel FM controller.
from my source they said the KO 2.4 Module is in the works.
Their is suppose a binding button on the chassis for binding your radio.
The port on the top is for ESC setting like the I.C.S on the AD band.

cdog4w
2007.10.12, 06:21 PM
The KO EX-1 is their latest Model, Its a 4 channel FM controller.
from my source they said the KO 2.4 Module is in the works.
Their is suppose a binding button on the chassis for binding your radio.
The port on the top is for ESC setting like the I.C.S on the AD band.


The EX-1UR pictured on the previous page? I noticed that radio seems to have a normal crystal based antenna as well as a 2.4 stubby. I really like that if its built in (ie. no extra antenna coming out of module). Think that will require the modules to have an extra pin for normal RF out and now an extra for 2.4 out? Very interesting that KO went with the older radio case vs. the newer helios case but I can immagine it was largely for functionality and ease of assembly etc. I haven't been inside the helios but the mars is a simpler case. I run a KO Mars now and I'm quite happy with it, but I wouldn't mind an upgraded setup.

mferrini
2007.10.12, 07:00 PM
looks similar if not the same as an ad-band port which is nothing really new. a closer look at the motor pod and you do see a change. the motor wires are run through a clip on the motor pod vs. one on the motor cover. notice the odd arrangement of wires/cap on the motor as well.

anyone think this will eb the same system used in the minium?


I think that port is not like adband, if you know how match rx and tx in a specktrum, you have to plug some kind of jumper in the rx to let the tx find only that car and no other.

Road Block
2007.10.12, 07:27 PM
I think that port is not like adband, if you know how match rx and tx in a specktrum, you have to plug some kind of jumper in the rx to let the tx find only that car and no other.

According to my source, he said there is a button for binding.

The EX-IUR is currently offer in 27 and 40 MHz in Japan.

arch2b
2007.10.12, 07:34 PM
I think that port is not like adband, if you know how match rx and tx in a specktrum, you have to plug some kind of jumper in the rx to let the tx find only that car and no other.
ah, yes. like a bind port/plug slot on an rx.... only you plug the bind plug into the chassis. could be...

byebye
2007.10.12, 08:50 PM
So I just want to know if we can get some aftermarket radio support. I'd like to get this but is it worth it now? Should I wait for a module?

Kris

arch2b
2007.10.12, 09:03 PM
i guess we will find out closer to actual product lauch date. right now all we have to go by is whats been leaked via japan websites and kyosho blog with other hearsay, etc.

i know i'm going to pick up the white porsche and then depending on compatibility and ex10 support, pcb sets for most of my other cars. this could all be months away for all we know though....

Roketmini
2007.10.12, 09:21 PM
reminds me of the p.o.s. xmods came with.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking when I saw it too...at least it will work better :D

pchan0
2007.10.13, 10:18 PM
Looks like a specific 2.4Ghz Mini-Z module for Ko Propo radios.

http://blog73.fc2.com/r/rajitensanda/file/20071014011511.jpg

pchan0
2007.10.13, 10:20 PM
Looks like a specific 2.4Ghz Mini-Z module for Ko Propo radios.

2nd post, no edit button for above message.

Picture: 2.4Ghz MiniZ Module (http://blog73.fc2.com/r/rajitensanda/file/20071014011511.jpg)

Flashsp-2
2007.10.13, 10:39 PM
2nd post, no edit button for above message.

Picture: 2.4Ghz MiniZ Module (http://blog73.fc2.com/r/rajitensanda/file/20071014011511.jpg)

Peter, I tried that link, it didn't work for me...

pchan0
2007.10.13, 10:51 PM
This blog has the pictures.

http://rajitensanda.blog73.fc2.com/

arch2b
2007.10.14, 09:02 AM
here is the picture of the module from the blog, are they the same for all ko radios?
it would be nice to get some translations for all the text associated with these images being shown :(

HaCo
2007.10.14, 10:44 AM
Would it fit an IW Tx? :D :D :D

warfile
2007.10.14, 08:48 PM
here is the picture of the module from the blog, are they the same for all ko radios?
it would be nice to get some translations for all the text associated with these images being shown :(

This is for the KO, and for the 3PK? Will the 2.4Ghz FASST module work?

herman
2007.10.15, 02:02 AM
:eek: :eek: man...
now we all know what we want for christmas... :D ;) :D :p :cool:
wonder if anybody got specs on it?
also wondering if they'll come out with a mr015 version....
and of course more bodies... more bodies... more bodies please...

herman
2007.10.15, 04:09 AM
Is it my imagination that the front wheels seem wider than normal? Look at pics of the LM chassis. The front wheels look wider. That's pretty cool.

hmmm... dunno kinda hard to tell... but they do look a bit wider... if it is, i'm thinking a tagu aluminum extension bar for the mr02/mr015 to fit that body... :D

http://www.rc-japan.de/BigPics/minizVergleich.jpg

arch2b
2007.10.15, 09:03 AM
a non point really. you can easly install 9.5 to 11mm tires on the front on many bodies. it appears thev'e done so with these bodies but ist nothing we have not seen done before. many people ran wide wheels up front when the cr5 first came out and that was along time ago.

HaCo
2007.10.15, 10:40 AM
The rear looks very wide too...

simpleskin
2007.10.15, 10:48 AM
Those old Le Mans cars were much wider than todays road and race cars. Obviously if they are maintaining the 1/28ish scale then they would be wider by default. It's nice to see the two chassis side by side. Really looking forward to these. Do we have any info on release dates or when Kyosho will update their site with info?

-j

arch2b
2007.10.15, 12:56 PM
i don't have any info on release dates but we just got the leaked kyosho japan stuff so i would expect it will be months, atleast. i would not hope for an x-mas release but i'd rather be wrong that right :p

herman
2007.10.15, 09:31 PM
a non point really. you can easly install 9.5 to 11mm tires on the front on many bodies. it appears thev'e done so with these bodies but ist nothing we have not seen done before. many people ran wide wheels up front when the cr5 first came out and that was along time ago.

hmm... i used to do that before on my d2 clk way back...

i was thinking more on the track width... the front track width looks wider... (so with the rear - looks like an f-1 rear gear diff)

if it is wider, i'm thinking you can use the tagu aluminum front arm conversion so you can use mr02/mr015 bodies... and consequently i'm thinking tagu should make a front arm conversion for mr02/015 chassis so you can use that beut of a bod 962 porsche lemans without buying a new car.... ;)

and now that you've mentioned it... the front wheels do look a bit wider... :D

being a lm (le mans) version you think we'll get more power and run time using this chassis? :D

just wondering what type of fets they'll have on that thing....

is the antenna really supposed to be that short? wondering about range issues... (kinda a newbie about this 2.4 ghz thing)

wondering what lm bodies would you like to see?

simpleskin
2007.10.15, 10:17 PM
wondering what lm bodies would you like to see?

Easy, Porsche 917, 936, 956, 908.... then something newer like the '98 911 GT1

and um, maybe a few Ferraris too :cool:

babstar
2007.10.16, 07:22 AM
They won't be released before Christmas! They use the new 2.4 Ghz radio sys. which is still illegal to use in Japan for hobby purposes. Ko Propo has managed to get the law changed to allow this but not before 1 jan 2008. So they need to wait with the release for that.

Its also sai that in Japan they will organize real championships around the 1/28 scale format. This means that other manufacturers will be coming with products on the 1/28th scale .. Tamiya would be one of these.

I think the 2.4 Ghz sys is legal in US, in Europe its different ... some countries its ok others its not. I do feel sorry for the Belgians, they can get hefty fines.

grtz.

arch2b
2007.10.16, 01:11 PM
transmitter only:
feb. 2008

readysets:
feb. 2008

new:
motor case
friction damper
ics port

benmlee
2007.10.16, 01:17 PM
Its also sai that in Japan they will organize real championships around the 1/28 scale format. This means that other manufacturers will be coming with products on the 1/28th scale .. Tamiya would be one of these.

grtz.

Did I read that right. Tamiya will come out with their mini-z too. Is that a rumor or confirmed? That would be about time. They have been reviving their Tamtech line, but they are all off-road for now. Seems like they were avoiding 1/28 road cars for some reason.

mini-z
2007.10.16, 05:28 PM
Official details from Kyosho:

http://www.minizracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26407

:)

Tim Johnson
2007.10.16, 06:28 PM
and here is the questions thread :) http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26408

TALLGEESE
2007.10.16, 07:28 PM
This new chassis just keeps getting better.. 33% Faster response time, training mode, and digital trim adjustments.. I'm curious to see what add-ons will become available in the future.. I also saw in the previous post that the transmitter only runs on only 4 AAA batteries.. Very nice, and you can run up to 40 Mini-Z's at once with the new system. I doubt you'll ever need to run that many at once, but it's nice to know you could if you wanted to..

Tim Johnson
2007.10.16, 08:49 PM
I love the fact of only needing 4 AAA batteries for the TX. Less money to speed, less to carry in the pit box. Batteries go dead? Take them from your race car...lol

arch2b
2007.10.16, 08:55 PM
i agree. although it's not the most attractive transmitter it certainly will be more familiar with the younger crowd who more than likely has time behind an xmod. moving down aaa's certainly will make it more convienent as well.

i'm still hoping the module for the system will fit/work with my helios though.

phea
2007.10.16, 09:08 PM
I have a spektrum module for my ex-10 and I hope that works with these...

herman
2007.10.16, 11:54 PM
They won't be released before Christmas! They use the new 2.4 Ghz radio sys. which is still illegal to use in Japan for hobby purposes. Ko Propo has managed to get the law changed to allow this but not before 1 jan 2008. So they need to wait with the release for that.

Its also sai that in Japan they will organize real championships around the 1/28 scale format. This means that other manufacturers will be coming with products on the 1/28th scale .. Tamiya would be one of these.

I think the 2.4 Ghz sys is legal in US, in Europe its different ... some countries its ok others its not. I do feel sorry for the Belgians, they can get hefty fines.

grtz.

won't be released before christmas eh?... drats... maybe a post christmas gift would be in order... :D

is 2.4ghz really illegal in japan? didn't kyosho just release the minimum (a plane that runs on 2.4 ghz too) in japan mid 2007?

jap link below
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100109&series_group_id=100060&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=
eng link below
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=101476

thing2
2007.10.17, 12:07 AM
Awesome news, but in Japan (as well as in Belgium) 2.4Ghz is not allowed, so why the hell do they bring out such a product? I think it is greaaat and the bodies are aaaaaaaaaaawesome too!!!

because there making 2.4ghz legal in japan or yokomo just has a license to use them at there track pretty sure there becoming legal since spectrum is going over there

Tim Johnson
2007.10.17, 10:25 AM
well AD band really is not legal here in the US, but it is here. If that system is transmitting under a certain wattage level, If I remember correctly, then it will be ok.

I understand that 2.4ghz will soon be legal in Japan for hobby use.

mferrini
2007.10.17, 01:28 PM
I have a spektrum module for my ex-10 and I hope that works with these...

I belive this is the most important question all Helio's owners want to know !

Tim if you can pleas make an effort and fond out more about this, or of there's an EX-10 module compatible with these new chasis, I'm sure thousands of mini-z fans will be greatly grateful

arch2b
2007.10.17, 02:09 PM
tim has answered this in the 'ask' forum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRinger
Tim, do U know if, just to say if I had a spectrum module for a helios do U know if that would work with the new 2.4Ghz mini z?

As far as I know the Spectrum is a complete different technology, and will not work.

aimfox
2007.10.27, 06:44 PM
would the 2.4GHZ perfex interferes with other home connection like the wireless phone or router we have in our house? i'm thinking the 2.4ghz is more like not for home use than its better using at the track...

Tim Johnson
2007.10.28, 12:34 AM
would the 2.4GHZ perfex interferes with other home connection like the wireless phone or router we have in our house?

You will not need to worry about that. The system will not disrupt other devices.

Draconious
2007.10.28, 01:15 AM
Any photos of the PCB? I asume its the same size as the current PCB? Just hopeing for it to be a hair smaller...for use in other projects ;)

Cherub1m
2007.11.07, 10:05 AM
Hi everyone

I noticed the 2.4 ghz TX will be for sale. Just wondering has anyone heard if the 2.4ghz PCB/RX will be for sale by itself?

Thank you
Cherub1m

Tim Johnson
2007.11.07, 10:22 AM
Hi everyone

I noticed the 2.4 ghz TX will be for sale. Just wondering has anyone heard if the 2.4ghz PCB/RX will be for sale by itself?

Thank you
Cherub1m

The PCB will not be sold seperately for about +/- a year or so after release.

Cherub1m
2007.11.07, 12:30 PM
Hi Tim

Thanks for the update. I have a few miniz's waiting for that upgrade. Will the combo 2.4 ghz TX and RX be available for the F1, and AWD, or just the MR02?

Thank you
Cherub1m

Tim Johnson
2007.11.07, 12:37 PM
currently I know the board will fit the 02 and 015. I would think the AWD also, but I do not know this for sure, untill I can test fit a PCB.

arch2b
2007.11.07, 12:46 PM
do you have any pictures of the pcb? any pre-pcb only sale conversion will come down to the physical layout/proportions/size of the pcb. i can gaurantee you someone will post a tutorial on doing it as i'm sure i won't be the only one taking my awd and f1 crystal free.

Scrapper
2007.11.08, 05:06 AM
i dont like how the radio looks can u use the 2pl on the board

wcrotty
2007.11.09, 08:07 AM
Tim,

Do you know what the prices are going to be like?

Also can the radio hold 2+ car setups?

thanks

Bill

wes
2007.11.26, 08:09 PM
Sorry if this has been posted, couldn't find any info... Are the FETs going to be the same? 2x1 3010 same as the current mr02 and ma010? Someone told me it would be 2x2 like the AD band pcb, but this wouldn't allow it in the stock class...

simpleskin
2007.11.27, 08:28 AM
Someone told me it would be 2x2 like the AD band pcb, but this wouldn't allow it in the stock class...

Sounds like it's time to review the rules. If this is a car released by Kyosho with those specs out of the box doesn't that make it stock? Something to think about...

-J

arch2b
2007.11.27, 08:57 AM
simple answer: no. ad band it a stock issue car and it's never been permitted for stock class racing that i am aware of domestically. if the 2.4 has the same fet arrangement, we are going to have to reconsider what 'stock' means OR mandate 2 classes. ie; if 2.4 becomes the new accepted stock class car, ad band will by default be accepted as well OR 2.4/ad band becomes a new class by themselves. this will naturally create large tiers in perfomance for club racing due to cost and performance gain which i believe most clubs want to avoid considering we are going to get new i-series cars with eco motors as well. any way you cut it, we are going to have to face the discussion of classes due to all these board types and motors.

lets all not jump to much into this for the 2.4 yet as tim has not yet confirmed the fet arrangement and yes, i've already asked.

simpleskin
2007.11.27, 09:01 AM
Fair enough, that makes sense. BTW you post count is outrageous :)

arch2b
2007.11.27, 09:15 AM
Fair enough, that makes sense. BTW you post count is outrageous :)
yep, 21k posts of gibberish :p i am proof that qnty does not equal quality :o

ruf
2007.11.28, 03:59 AM
I forget the context, but someone once said: "Quantity has a quality all it's own..." :D

piper1944
2007.12.20, 07:50 PM
when is it going to be released,the cars,will it be a readyset?

Tim Johnson
2007.12.20, 11:53 PM
when is it going to be released,the cars,will it be a readyset?

check out this thread http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26408&page=1&pp=15

Roketmini
2007.12.21, 02:34 PM
Hmmm...what is this little clear looking piece on the Tx?

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/Roketmini/quessin.jpg

Draconious
2007.12.21, 02:59 PM
Likely a stand... odd looking, but much smaller than the foot on the bottom of the other transmitters.

Roketmini
2007.12.21, 04:44 PM
I was thinking it was something like that, but if it was, why is it curved?

Draconious
2007.12.21, 05:33 PM
Its shaped kind of like a crecent moon... and in the middle its attached to the transmitter, there are photos around here of it resting on it... just cannot find one right now.

ruf
2007.12.21, 06:14 PM
Looks like part of the clear plastic stand.

Tim Johnson
2007.12.23, 02:30 AM
the stand was used for trade show display.

HaCo
2007.12.23, 04:57 AM
Here is some interesting stuff, only in Japanese:
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=103030
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=103028

pinoyboy
2007.12.23, 08:32 AM
Here is some interesting stuff, only in Japanese:
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=103030
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=103028

cool links, a currency converter put the price of the controller around $70 and the car at around $150.
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100142&series_group_id=100003

I'll wait what others have to say about it. I'm sure I won't be competing in any PN or Atomic regional races any time soon and I haven't had any real glitching problems with with my cars. The thing I'm really interested in is what fets it uses

bermbuster
2007.12.24, 06:55 AM
they show the procedure to bind the tx to the car.....
now im curious as to what 2.4 ghz will bind w it.......maybe only the Kyosho....maybe not....cant wait to get my hands on 2 of em.....

ruf
2007.12.26, 03:50 PM
It's a stand that comes with the transmitter:

http://www.reflexracing.net/prodimages/images/82001_2.jpg

ruf
2007.12.26, 04:10 PM
cool links, a currency converter put the price of the controller around $70 and the car at around $150.
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100142&series_group_id=100003

I'll wait what others have to say about it. I'm sure I won't be competing in any PN or Atomic regional races any time soon and I haven't had any real glitching problems with with my cars. The thing I'm really interested in is what fets it usesYou're lucky. I'll sit out races at Kenon sometimes just because the glitching is so bad with a full grid ($@#%ing 3PK's...) Not worth my screwing up someone else's race or breaking my car. The LM's are supposed to come with FET's that have 2x the capacity of "conventional" FETs, but I'm not sure if "conventional" means 3004's or 3010's...

As for the pricing, I can tell you right now that the retail price on the cars is $189.99 and the transmitters are at $119.99. As you know, most big ticket items in R/C rarely go for full retail, so we're trying to figure out what the selling price should be.

bermbuster
2007.12.26, 05:59 PM
I'll sit out races at Kenon sometimes just because the glitching is so bad with a full grid ($@#%ing 3PK's...) .
not to hi jack the thread.....
do you find 3pks cause a majority of the glitching? Where I race the 3pk users put helicopter antennas on theirs and man sometimes the racing really suffers.....

ruf
2007.12.27, 01:43 AM
This is a family-oriented forum and there are kids on here, so I'll keep my thoughts on the 3PK to myself... :rolleyes:

Seriously, the 3PK is great...if you're the one using it. I would say that they might not have designed the AM module very well, but back when the 3PK's first came out, I remember them causing glitching in the FM band, too.

If there are more than one or two 3PK's on the drivers stand, I'll just sit it out and wait my turn. I'm so rusty right now, the last thing I want to do is try and drive around a glitchy car. I should invest in AD band, but the 2.4GHz is JUST around the corner... :confused:

pinoyboy
2007.12.27, 04:32 PM
You're lucky. I'll sit out races at Kenon sometimes just because the glitching is so bad with a full grid ($@#%ing 3PK's...) Not worth my screwing up someone else's race or breaking my car. The LM's are supposed to come with FET's that have 2x the capacity of "conventional" FETs, but I'm not sure if "conventional" means 3004's or 3010's...

As for the pricing, I can tell you right now that the retail price on the cars is $189.99 and the transmitters are at $119.99. As you know, most big ticket items in R/C rarely go for full retail, so we're trying to figure out what the selling price should be.

wow, thats definitely alot more than I expected. I'm guessing everybody will be updating their fets again on their AM cars unless they separate the stock AM and 2.4ghz class.

So when these do come out, will the effect the prices of the AM readysets and will they be discontinued?

I've seen some of the vids of the kenon races, and those track are pretty big. I think the biggest I've ran on is around the size of 3 Wide Ls.

ruf
2007.12.27, 07:04 PM
I think we will be seeing some changes in the FET rules in 2008, but that's another topic.

There will be an AM market for a long time. The ARR + transmitter configuration of the 2.4GHz will naturally carry a premium over the AM version.

Kenon is a big track, but size is only part of it. The single biggest factor is the number of drivers and the quality of their radio signals. The second is ambient noise from power lines, etc. AM is pretty sensitive to that kind of stuff...

wcrotty
2007.12.28, 08:47 AM
The only time i have had glitching problems at big tracks was due to the core lap counting system. Nothing more frustrating then going over the line and getting a glitch.

Smaller tracks though i get more glitching. Signal bouncing or something.

I think i will up grade a couple cars when they come out.

ruf
2007.12.31, 06:26 AM
Any photos of the PCB? I asume its the same size as the current PCB? Just hopeing for it to be a hair smaller...for use in other projects ;)I can't say how, but I have confirmation that the 2.4GHz PCB is indeed smaller! Approximately 8-10mm shorter than the current PCB. Imagine if someone just chopped the steering FETs off the front and you'll have a good idea of the size. :D

byebye
2007.12.31, 08:26 AM
NOt sure if this has been posted but Kyosho JP has the pricing up along with pics of the Kenwood body. ~$153.00

Kris

byebye
2007.12.31, 08:42 AM
Actually they also have exploded views of the chassis along with the pricing.

~$74 for the board

You can see the board but only as a drawing. I assume this would depict the finish product.

Kris

Spoon
2007.12.31, 08:48 AM
There are already parts in the plans for release in January. Tires, Diff, x-Speed Motor, motor case.

http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/newparts.html

byebye
2007.12.31, 08:51 AM
There are already parts in the plans for release in January. Tires, Diff, x-Speed Motor, motor case.

http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/newparts.html

I'll be getting one of these as soon as they come out. I also plan on a quick conversion from the porsche to the Mclaren.

It's a truely all around package. No xtals, a disk damper. Only thing I don't like is the spacers but this is Kyosho no the other guys!

I think Kyosho has hit the nail on the head here. I believe this chassis will weigh less as well and will be much mor nimble around the track.

Kris

Spoon
2007.12.31, 09:02 AM
I didn't realize until now that there would be some subtle differences.

It looks like the track width is going to be a little different than the MR02 hence the slightly different diff and motor case.

byebye
2007.12.31, 05:57 PM
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100142&series_group_id=100003&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=

They have 4 colors now! Along with what looks like board and radio upgrades for your existing MR-02/015.

Kris

pinoyboy
2007.12.31, 06:33 PM
no more black box, doing fet stacks looks really easy to do now

byebye
2007.12.31, 06:38 PM
no more black box, doing fet stacks looks really easy to do now

If it ends up being a 3010 2x2 you may not even need to upgrade. I just hope Kyosho comes out with some good rear tires.

Kris

byebye
2007.12.31, 06:39 PM
If anyone can't tell I"M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS!!!

Kris

arch2b
2007.12.31, 09:33 PM
me too! already haev $200 saved;)

too bad the pcb's will take so long to come out seperately as reported by tim:( guess i'll just have to buy a couple of the lemans kits. damn, love the green one. lets just hope that it's 1x1 3010... this way i can swap all my cars over and not worry about it anymore.

ruf
2008.01.01, 05:27 PM
I'm pretty darned stoked. Can't wait to stuff one into my F1... :D

byebye
2008.01.01, 06:05 PM
me too! already haev $200 saved;)

too bad the pcb's will take so long to come out seperately as reported by tim:( guess i'll just have to buy a couple of the lemans kits. damn, love the green one. lets just hope that it's 1x1 3010... this way i can swap all my cars over and not worry about it anymore.

This is the wave of the Mini-z future I believe. Maybe Season 5 will be the last 1x1 3010 season? I can only hope Kyosho America plans a K-cup.

I was telling the wife today about DSM and 2.4 ghz and all the advantages. She said she wants one as soon as we she tries mine.

Kris

piper1944
2008.01.03, 10:00 AM
when are the readysets coming out

arch2b
2008.01.03, 10:08 AM
when are the readysets coming out
keep an eye on tims post here, http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27012

CristianTabush
2008.01.03, 10:13 AM
Late February is what we are expecting. Give or take a week.

rharris
2008.01.03, 05:32 PM
Man! I can't wait!!!

Cristian, do you guys already have an order in? Does that mean we can expect to see them in local hobby shops in Feb?

That would be awsome!

I have AD and AM and I have both glitch at the Kenon track when we have a full line up.

But from what I'm reading.... I haven't seen anything on when KO is going to release the 2.4 module, or the new radio. Anyone know when I can pick one up?

arch2b
2008.01.03, 06:45 PM
the module will be just as important a release as the kits themselves in my opinion as many racers already have expensive radios.

ruf
2008.01.03, 07:22 PM
ARR's due in Feb. KO Propo is rumored in April... :(

herman
2008.01.03, 10:08 PM
danger 2.4ghz asf newbie question coming up...

... er so how many asf 2.4ghz cars can you run together?...
and asf means auto search frequency???

CristianTabush
2008.01.03, 11:39 PM
I believe it will be up to 42 cars... :) More than you can dream of getting on a track :)

rharris
2008.01.04, 01:08 AM
What will be cool is... no more transmitter lockup. No more getting to the stand with the wrong crystal... being able to test/change settings with your transmitter in the pits.

I know it will probably take a while for 2.4 to become the norm for stock racing, but man... I can't wait.

ruf
2008.01.04, 03:14 AM
I just can't wait for my car to not go nuts at the lower right side of the Kenon track or whenever I stand next to a 3PK... :D

herman
2008.01.04, 04:26 AM
I believe it will be up to 42 cars... More than you can dream of getting on a track
holy cr@p... now if somebody can make a track that big... :eek:
oh yeah thanks for the reply... :D

herman
2008.01.04, 04:46 AM
just noticed pricing on kyosho's site...
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/lineup.html?series_index_id=100142&series_group_id=100003&s1=&s2=&s3=&s4=&s5=&s6=&s7=&s8=

17,325 yen... same price as rtr kits with 3010 fet upgrade...
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=102652

hmmm... and the plot thickens....

byebye
2008.01.04, 06:38 AM
I believe it will be up to 42 cars... :) More than you can dream of getting on a track :)

There is already a 2.4ghz module for the Helios out. It's at horizonhobbies or somthing like that. That $109 module won't work? Does it have to be ASF? I would think that 2.4 is 2.4 and from the description it works exactly the same.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPM1113

Kris

Tim Johnson
2008.01.04, 07:40 AM
There is already a 2.4ghz module for the Helios out. It's at horizonhobbies or somthing like that. That $109 module won't work? Does it have to be ASF? I would think that 2.4 is 2.4 and from the description it works exactly the same.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPM1113

Kris


only a kyosho or a KO radio will work with the 2.4ghz mini-z..... BTW I noticed that Ko is advertising the mini-z module in Japan, so it may be April / May when the USA will have these.

CristianTabush
2008.01.04, 10:42 AM
Play Nice Tim :) hehehe, BTW do you ever sleep?

Anyways, I do see that KO has 2 versions of this. A Specific Mini-Z branded one, and their new 2.4 SS for their new micro receiver. Anybody have any insight on this?

Tim Johnson
2008.01.04, 11:02 AM
Play Nice Tim :) hehehe, BTW do you ever sleep?

Anyways, I do see that KO has 2 versions of this. A Specific Mini-Z branded one, and their new 2.4 SS for their new micro receiver. Anybody have any insight on this?

no I don't...lol That is why I am always cranky...lol I would hope no one takes that seriously....many of the mini-z guys I talk with have a great sense of humor.

I am thinking that the two will be different systems. I have not talked to KO in a long while. I saw something in the R/C World mag, issue 146. May be here soon we will see info on the KOPropo USA website.

rharris
2008.01.04, 12:07 PM
I've been looking for info on the 2.4 module.

The kyosho(japan) site states that 40 can lock radio to car at the same time. It also states that the Cars will be available this month(jan) and the upgrade kits will be available in Feb. (in a way only the google translator can mangle)

I haven't seen anything official about USA release dates - IE. I can't find the same info on the USA site. Is there a standard lead time before products make it to the US market? Or is it case by case?

So my bigger question is...

If the Japan site stats that the cars will be available in Jan and we will see them in Feb, then if the upgrade kit (mr02 only) states Feb, can we expect them stateside by March?

ruf
2008.01.04, 01:58 PM
No really. Tim does sweep floors at Kyosho... :D

Tim Johnson
2008.01.04, 02:06 PM
I've been looking for info on the 2.4 module.

The kyosho(japan) site states that 40 can lock radio to car at the same time. It also states that the Cars will be available this month(jan) and the upgrade kits will be available in Feb. (in a way only the google translator can mangle)

I haven't seen anything official about USA release dates - IE. I can't find the same info on the USA site. Is there a standard lead time before products make it to the US market? Or is it case by case?

So my bigger question is...

If the Japan site stats that the cars will be available in Jan and we will see them in Feb, then if the upgrade kit (mr02 only) states Feb, can we expect them stateside by March?

For most readysets, ARRs and Autoscales, there will be a 1 month delay after the Japan release. It takes time go get across the water, and process through customs.

I guess ByeBye did not take it to well, to each is his own.


No really. Tim does sweep floors at Kyosho... :D
shhhhhhh! don't tell anyone, they will take my computer away!

rharris
2008.01.04, 03:22 PM
Cool, Thanks Tim.

color01
2008.01.06, 04:51 AM
Kris, how many times do we gotta tell you that sarcasm doesn't work without a :p smiley? :p

byebye
2008.01.06, 06:58 AM
It's worked out

Kris :)

arch2b
2008.01.06, 08:16 AM
in written form, the emoticon means everything :)

if any further questions remain on the topic, take them to emial or pm please.

yes the 2.4 threads have gotten a bit scrambled, i've seen the 2.4 compatibility question MANY times and tim answered it long ago. trying to find it is another thing. i think there is just SOO much interest in these new cars/system that it's going to be a bit tricky if even possibel to keep things on track. within a few months i'm sure we will be able to build informative specific posts:)

Tim Johnson
2008.01.06, 10:12 AM
in written form, the emoticon means everything :)

if any further questions remain on the topic, take them to emial or pm please.

yes the 2.4 threads have gotten a bit scrambled, i've seen the 2.4 compatibility question MANY times and tim answered it long ago. trying to find it is another thing. i think there is just SOO much interest in these new cars/system that it's going to be a bit tricky if even possibel to keep things on track. within a few months i'm sure we will be able to build informative specific posts:)

I guess I need to to an "inside the MR-02LM" thead.......

arch2b
2008.01.06, 10:15 AM
tim, lets sort all that out when the products hit the shelves and we have most if not all the quesitons answered. right now the info is just limited to what jpn shows and what memebrs are confirming mostly along with what you share. in a month or so it will all be clear for the most part.

2EZ
2008.01.06, 02:48 PM
I see this thread has been cleaned up some thanks but I still don't have an answer arch ya might fill me in by email if possible
Thanks
2EZ

pchan0
2008.01.11, 04:12 PM
Looks like its ready...:)

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/20080111202817.jpg

Source (http://rajitensanda.blog73.fc2.com/)

byebye
2008.01.11, 05:02 PM
Nice find Peter! Did you see all those boxes on the table??? I'd be so freaking broke!!! :):):):)

Kris

color01
2008.01.11, 05:18 PM
I'm guessing the body weighs upwards of 45g. It's huge. :eek:

soulstice
2008.01.11, 05:19 PM
Nice find Peter! Did you see all those boxes on the table??? I'd be so freaking broke!!! :):):):)

Kris

Damn I wish I lived in Japan. It's like freakin christmas there everyday.

pfcparts
2008.02.02, 09:32 PM
To give a heads up, I was looking for an am module for the exi and it seems r c miniz has the initial chassis sets, LM bodies, and transmitters in stock. Also looks like the wheels are wider in the rear as speculated as they have specific LM tires.

No module or conversions sets in sight though. :(

parts

Flashsp-2
2008.02.02, 11:13 PM
I just got a KT-18 and white Porsche set yesterday. The Tx is essentially an expensive KT-5, it does what it needs to do, and not a whole lot else. It feels kinda cheap and plasticy (is that a word), but the response of the system is as good as my EX-I UR with AD band. The car feels pretty big, and the stock parts are typical, which means I'm not too fond of them. Overall, good stuff though. I will give a better write-up later today.

lfisminiz
2008.02.03, 12:50 AM
Looking forward to it!!;)

arch2b
2008.02.03, 09:57 AM
me too!

fyi, anyone notice the crazy price on teh lemans asc's on ebay, $50:eek:

lfisminiz
2008.02.03, 11:19 AM
That guy always seem alittle high.

CristianTabush
2008.02.03, 01:41 PM
Makes sense for the AutoScale Prices. It is similar to the pricing on the F1 bodies, with similar size, etc...

Flashsp-2
2008.02.03, 06:52 PM
Here is a little more thorough review:

The body is very nice. It's quite heavy, with a lot of wieght over the rear, so this should help keep the rear planted pretty well. The antenna and the mirrors are rubber, which is always nice, and the finish and detail are better than some ASCs that I have bought before.

The chassis, like I said earlier, is typical Kyosho. The fit and finish are acceptable, but the suspension is sticky with the stock parts. The rear damper, which is a nice idea, isn't very smooth. I imagine it works better than just having a plastic tube shock, but I foresee many folks swapping in an ATM or PN version. The motor mod is wider than normal, probably around the same as the F1, so the car is no effectively the same chassis track width all around. The tires aren't total garbage, with 30 rear and 40 front, which is an improvement over normal readysets. They are round though, so they don't provide much bite. The motor pod looks to be able to be placed in the 98mm position, but without the stock damper. This would obviously be a nice touch for running Pan or VDS bodies with aftermarket damper systems.

The electronics are what makes the car. I initially thought that there would be a cable for tuning and such, but there wasn't. Other than that gripe, the 'tronics are great. The steering and throttle are very liquid, they don't feel stepped at all. The range is great. My apartment, which has enough interference to bring down a 747, had zero effect on this car whatsoever. No twitching, glitching, or range issues at all, which is absolutely the best reason for getting the 2.4G stuff.

The KT-18 is, for all purposes, a very pricey KT-5. The functions are basic, with throttle and steering trim being all that is currently available on it. The fold down antenna is nice, and the 4AAA holder for power is great. Now you can put to use those old rechargeables that have been put out to pasture. It has a similar build quality to the KT-5. The controller is definitely something that only a mother could love (my wife said it is cooler looking than my EX-I UR), and it feels very small in the hand. Similar to the xmods controller, just not as cheap.

That's all I got, if you have any questions just ask. I only have it for another day before I ship it off (I bought it for another forum member). I'm not going to pop the top and check the FET layout, so please don't ask. Pics will be up shortly...

herman
2008.02.03, 10:23 PM
The functions are basic, with throttle and steering trim being all that is currently available on it.
flash... thanks for the initial review... is there any dual rate?

oh and are there option parts available as well?

HaCo
2008.02.04, 12:03 PM
herman, this is from te kyosho site:
Functionality is equal to that of high-end transmitters such as independent setting of throttle end points and left/right steering volumes. With future developments in mind, the KT-18 is also equipped with extended terminals.

http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=103030

Wonder what the expansion slot will bring! Can't you setup dual rate with ICS? My first project if I have this controller is to build a setup tool, without the need of a computer... :)

herman
2008.02.05, 12:41 AM
just read some info on this link http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27378
and skimmed the instructions... on this link
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/support/instructionmanual/digital_prcs/pdf/82001-perfex-kt18-m.pdf

the dual rate i was looking for is like a knob that you can adjust with your thumb on the older kt-2... which isn't on the new kt 18...

from my understanding you more or less can program the end points (page 17) independently... i.e. you can have more steering on one side vs. the other...

i just wish they did some more work on the asthetics - the way the controller works...

anyway thanks for the info... :D

cdog4w
2008.02.05, 05:21 PM
Thanks for the link, thats awesome that Kyosho got EPA into the radio, but it is a shame that there is no dual rate wheel to adjust to various track conditions once you've equalized steering using the EPA. On the up side, it seems that as long as you're careful, the adjustment is easy to make on the fly and should be pretty quick (just being double the button clicks so to speak).

Flashsp-2
2008.02.08, 06:37 PM
Here are the pics I promised. Yeah, I am a little slow, I know :D

color01
2008.02.09, 12:58 AM
Geez, that's a huge car. Even the body mounts had to be beefed up and extended. :eek:

TiTanZ
2008.02.10, 08:03 AM
Any that knows spanish , please translate it, Tabush por favor si puedes traducelo.

Esta tarde me he pasado testeando un poco el coche en estatico , lo he desmontao entero y he hecho muchas fotitos para que tengais hasta el ultimo detalle.

Lo primero quiero agradecer a Technical Racing Products TRP que han sido los artifices de que yo pueda probar este coche con tanta rapidez. Muchas Gracias.


Os comento cosas que me han llamado la atencion:

La emisora tiene un buen diseño aunque no me parece muy bonita, la calidad de los plasticos parece algo mejor que los de la KT-5 aunque tampo es para echar cohetes, el tacto del volante mejora un poco.
Lleva solo 4 pilas AAA gracias a que para emitir a la misma distancia en este nuevo sistema hace falta menos potencia. el portapilas va incrustado en el mango y trae un botoncito para extraerlo.
Como la emisora no tiene tanta base como la KT-5 que se quedaba de pie trae una peanita transparente para apollar la emisora (una pijada).
La antena (debido a la longitud de onda de la señal) es mas pequeña, plegable y elastica. trae una tapa y una especie de puerto que todavia no se muy bien para que es.

El coche, basicamente es un 02 con una suspension de disco y mayor distancia entre ejes como ya sabeis. Han tapado el agujero por el que cambiabamos las frecuencias con una pequeña pieza azul a modo de apaño.
La electronica tiene una pinta y un "acabado" excelente , trae un botoncito para asociar el coche con la emisora y un puerto ICS para conectarla al PC y programarla. Los cables no parecen tan malos como siempre por lo menos los del servo tienen un tacto bastante flexible y no tan "recto" como antes y creo que partiran menos. Lleva 2+2 de 3010 dos por una cara y dos por otra. Trae un pequeño trozo de cable de antena y el servo esta controlado por 3 cables en vez de dos lo que le permite un punto neutro mucho mas fino.
Las ruedas de alante tienen menos diametro que las de atras, las de alante son de un diametro un pelin mas pequeño que las de un miniz antiguo y las de atras un pelin mas grandes.
El diferencial en tamaño parece diferente pero todavia no he podido compararlo con otro. Los plasticos azules y grises clavados a lo que conociamos y las Ls y las llantas son de la resina de la que veiamos que ultimamente se hacen las Ls de las nuevas carrocerias.

El detalle de la carroceria es impresionante, trae espejos y una pequeña antena simulada "blanditos" y el resto del acabado es buenisimo.
Se puede desmontar por la mitad con unos tornillos, supongo que esto es debido a tema de moldes, porque no le veo mucha utilidad a no ser que nos las vayan a vender a mitades como recambio.

Y bueno en principio eso, si me dejo algo os lo cuento mañana que me voy a la cama.

Ahi os quedan las fotos, espero que os gusten:

http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC019930.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020020.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020040.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020070.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020090.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020150.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020220.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020270.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020280.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020290.jpg

A falta de una prueba en circuito (lo he probao en la alfombra de casa), os puedo contar mas cosillas:

Nada mas empezar tenemos que emparejar nuestra emisora y nuestro coche, como ajuste inicial. El procedimiento es el siguiente:

Con la emisora apagada dejamos pulsado el trim de gas hacia arriba (marcado con una P) y la encendemos, entonces se enciende un LED azul esperamos un segundo y se apaga, cuando este apagador soltamos el boton del trim y se vuelve a encender el led pero de manera tenue.

Nos vamos al coche, con un pequeño punzon de plastico que trae y el coche apagado pulsamos un boton (pulsador) que trae dentro y encendemos el coche, entonces justo pegadito al conector ICS hay un LED rojo que se enciende soltamos el boton que teniamos pulsado y listo.
Apagamos el coche, apagamos la emisora y listos para correr (una vez volvamos a encender claro).

La gran precision que tiene este sistema yo la vi en lo siguiente con el coche en la mano , en vacio , haces las tipicas pruebas de mover la direccion a un lado y al otro, pues si mueves hacia un lado y sueltas de repente veras que la direccion hace excatamente los mismos rebotes que el volante, increible , esto nos dara seguro mucho mas control y bueno la vuelta a cero de la direccion es magnifica.

El gas tambien es muy progresivo y ya de serie zumba bastante ya que trae 2+2 de los fets de serie del AWD y las electronicas nuevas los 3010 de hitachi.

Y bueno seguro que me dejo cosas , seguiremos informando.

Este analisis esta patrocinado por Technical Racing Products TRP

Un saludo.

TiTanZ
2008.02.10, 08:04 AM
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020320.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020340.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020350.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020370.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020430.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020450.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020490.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020510.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020590.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020610.jpg

TiTanZ
2008.02.10, 08:04 AM
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020680.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020690.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020700.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020750.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020760.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020780.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020790.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020800.jpg
http://www.typezteam.com/files/ASF/DSC020820.jpg

byebye
2008.02.10, 08:34 AM
I love how Kyosho made everything compatible.

Kris

wcrotty
2008.02.10, 09:28 AM
here is the google translation.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmini-zracer.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D289753% 23post289753&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

wight
2008.02.10, 11:10 AM
Looking at the motor,theres a component that looks like a large capacitor.Now correct me if I'm wrong,but I think what that is is a polyswitch.For those who don't know,it's basicly a solid state circuit breaker.Great idea putting it there on the motor end,at least if if trips,you will still have steering.
This car looks amazing to me.

Jonny
2008.02.10, 12:32 PM
Looking at the motor,theres a component that looks like a large capacitor.Now correct me if I'm wrong,but I think what that is is a polyswitch.For those who don't know,it's basicly a solid state circuit breaker.Great idea putting it there on the motor end,at least if if trips,you will still have steering.
This car looks amazing to me.
Yes that's correct, the later and current MR-02 readysets have these fitted also.

Jonny

Fovea3d
2008.02.11, 06:51 AM
I received mine today!

I am very satisfied by this car. It is a great evolution from the MR02. The KT18 TX is not so bad as it looks. It is light and uses 4xAAA and the sensitivity for steering and throttle are good. It is a great everyday TX.

The tires are useless on carpet. Once again K choosed high profile tires but there are no aftermarket high profile soft tires to be found anywhere. I hope Atomic is reading. It is strange that after the release of the "classic" cars, Nascar and now the LM they still don't make 10° high profile tires.

The wheels on the LM Porsche have the "classic" 17mm diameter front while the rear wheels have normal 20mm diameter (same as MZ racers). Because the ground clearance has been reduced, mounting low profile tires on these wheels will result in the chassis and pod laying on the ground...

In our club we race on carpet. Everybody here uses ATM 30° front and ATM 10° rear wich is what we found to be the most efficient. To make the LM driveable, I had to mount high profile foams rear and use plastic cylinders as spacers front to be able to mount 30° ATM narrows.

With this tire combination the car becomes efficient and agile. The body feels a little long and heavy but that makes the car very stable, with almost a F1 feeling.

Pics

01 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf03.jpg)
02 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf04.jpg)
03 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf05.jpg)
04 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf06.jpg)
05 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf07.jpg)
06 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf08.jpg)
07 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf09.jpg)
08 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf10.jpg)
09 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf11.jpg)
10 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf12.jpg)
11 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asf13.jpg)

Tim Johnson
2008.02.11, 10:12 AM
Once again K choosed high profile tires but there are no aftermarket high profile soft tires to be found anywhere. I hope Atomic is reading. It is strange that after the release of the "classic" cars, Nascar and now the LM they still don't make 10° high profile tires.


WOW...just wow.......:confused: ...... Anyhow there will be a full array of option parts and other goodies.

MZT301-20~40 LM HIGH GRIP TIRES (http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/parts_images/MZT301-20.jpg)
MZT302-20~30 LM WIDE HIGH GRIP TIRES (http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/parts_images/MZT302-30.jpg)

Fovea3d
2008.02.11, 10:31 AM
Thanks for the links Tim!
I am sorry to be so requiring ;) But 10° and only them will go! 20's from any brand equal to slidings... I tried the 20 Nascar, they were too hard. I mean for carpet (we don't drive on RCP here).
At least the 10° Kyosho low profiles were good but they had the tendency to wear out quick but maybe this is the price to pay for grip. If I could find that formula for 10° ATM 3 grooves to make them myself hehe...

Anyway, my ASF is now a Mc Laren MM with all the goodies. I swapped to my usual setup to see how this electronic differs. Also the Porsche 962 is very very fragile, beware before its too late! Particulary each side of the front clip... already had a crack :rolleyes:

byebye
2008.02.11, 10:34 AM
Yeah tires on the NASCAR kits were not that great for the RCP. I'm surprised too. I wonder how they do the RnD for tires?

Kris

Fovea3d
2008.02.11, 10:47 AM
Hi Kris!

Just tried the ASF chassis with my Mc Laren setup. I swapped the knuckles and MM pod with everything attached (this setup from the car that made 3rd at the 12h of CRC this year).
There is a big difference in terms of performance! The steering is incredibly responsive and there is also a big increase in power. The TX does it job, at least better that what I was using (KT5).

Tim Johnson
2008.02.11, 10:49 AM
You may want to check out the PN Racing tires.....They have I think two compounds that work great on carpet.

Fovea3d
2008.02.11, 11:02 AM
Yes thanks I will check them. I forgot to mention that there is also better than 10° ATM for carpet: foams from Cargel.se. The car is planted like with velcro :D I just ordered a few.
Back to my ASF:
01 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asfmcl01.jpg)
02 (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/080211ASF/asfmcl02.jpg)
This is my best mini-z ever.

byebye
2008.02.11, 11:06 AM
Thanks for the info Alain. I can't wait to do the same.

Kris

Spoon
2008.02.11, 12:28 PM
Hey folks,

Just an update. I took some time about a month ago to put together all of the information I could find about the ASF cars. Some of it may be a little out of date as this is a brand new product but there's still some good overview info.

I also have part numbers for the ASF hopups that Kyosho has available.

http://blog.128racing.com/2008/01/24-ghz-auto-selecting-frequency.html

enjoy...feel free to leave a comment if something is incorrect or missing, I can keep the post updated if it's a useful resource.

benmlee
2008.02.11, 01:15 PM
Also the Porsche 956 is very very fragile, beware before its too late! Particulary each side of the front clip... already had a crack :rolleyes:

That is correct, the front of the LeManPorsche is very fragile. We has 3 Porsches at the SoCal club, and in the first day, all three had cracks in the same place next to the inside headlight bucket. Granted we ran modified motors in them. I was just driving around the track with the normal bumps. After a couple of minutes, there was a crack.
The problem is the headlight opening is very large to accomodate the large headlight buckets. That area becomes very weak. The headlight bucket already have some reinforcement glue on it. Unfortunately, the glue is very soft. It seems like some kind of clear RTV sealant. That didn't do anything to reinforce it. At a minimum, I would peel off the RTV, sand the area rough, and apply epoxy to the entire parimeter of the bucket so to make the bucket a structural component. Epoxy the headlight glass to the body also to make that a structural component as well.
Another guy, Grant, at the track used a piece of plastic for reinforcement on the front, and he was fine then.

yasuji
2008.02.11, 01:31 PM
That is correct, the front of the LeManPorsche is very fragile. We has 3 Porsches at the SoCal club, and in the first day, all three had cracks in the same place next to the inside headlight bucket. Granted we ran modified motors in them. I was just driving around the track with the normal bumps. After a couple of minutes, there was a crack.
The problem is the headlight opening is very large to accomodate the large headlight buckets. That area becomes very weak. The headlight bucket already have some reinforcement glue on it. Unfortunately, the glue is very soft. It seems like some kind of clear RTV sealant. That didn't do anything to reinforce it. At a minimum, I would peel off the RTV, sand the area rough, and apply epoxy to the entire parimeter of the bucket so to make the bucket a structural component. Epoxy the headlight glass to the body also to make that a structural component as well.
Another guy, Grant, at the track used a piece of plastic for reinforcement on the front, and he was fine then.
just like a pan car front brace;)

Fovea3d
2008.02.11, 06:41 PM
The steering on the ASF is incredibly responsive. So responsive that it needs to be used to or it will result in drunk style zig zag driving :D But once you get used to it is amazing how the car can be agile on technical courses. It is even easy to counter-steer something that would result in a donut with a normal "AM" car. Here is a video (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/videos/ASFSteering.wmv) for comparison.

herman
2008.02.11, 09:57 PM
cool video... does look a whole lot better than the original version...

Gigibesi
2008.02.11, 10:00 PM
does the new 2.4 controller able to adjust its individual sterring thorow/dual rate just like those high end controller?

Fovea3d
2008.02.12, 06:31 AM
The dual rate on the KT18 is now digital and stepped (with a beep). Left and right have separated rates. For instance to adjust left limit you have to turn the wheel all the way to the left and adjust the steering trim + or -
The same applies to the throttle where you can adjust acceleration rate.

Also there is a training mode on the KT18 where the car feels like running on 2 batteries (good for beginners). To activate it you have to push/hold reverse before turning the TX on. To put it off, just pull/hold the throttle before turning the TX on. The led is blinking in training mode.

color01
2008.02.12, 05:00 PM
That's a very cool feature for small-space indoor running. So it will be even more like the Xmod controllers. :D

Fovea3d
2008.02.12, 05:37 PM
That's a very cool feature for small-space indoor running. So it will be even more like the Xmod controllers. :D
He he Color, I can see your sarcasm here :) Well I have an Xmod controller somewhere, under the dust... The KT18 has nothing to be compared to it. The feel is more KO Propo/Kyosho, in fact I already adopted it.
I have used a Helios EX10 during the 12h endurance in Germany and I did not notice any improvement in my driving, just more weight :)
I appreciate the compact design of the KT18, because being the pres of the Z club here I like to carry a Z in a pocket and now the KT18 in another. Ive noticed it is more interesting to demo the Z to potential sponsors/hall owners without scaring them with all the heavy weapons at first ;)

byebye
2008.02.17, 09:08 AM
I won this last night 250216143009

I didn't expect it to go for $184 and I was only the second bidder!

They've got them listed as buy it now for $199 and $35 shipped.

It's gonna be interesting running a 2.4ghz car that doesn't glitch and doesn't have any antenna. I need to get the 2.4ghz module for my helios and I'm set.

Kris

pinoyboy
2008.02.17, 09:26 AM
just did a quick search and theres actually a readyset with transmitter for $223 shipped. Thats only about $10 over the US pre order price and the best i've found since they've been on ebay.

benmlee
2008.02.17, 12:12 PM
It was strange to see the first LM set was bidding on ebay up to over $300. While that auction still had a couple days to go, a buy it now poped up on ebay for $199 + 25 shipping. The high bidder on the original auction could have gotten one earlier for cheaper. Must have been a dooh moment.

Hardriven RC
2008.02.18, 05:14 AM
It was strange to see the first LM set was bidding on ebay up to over $300. While that auction still had a couple days to go, a buy it now poped up on ebay for $199 + 25 shipping. The high bidder on the original auction could have gotten one earlier for cheaper. Must have been a dooh moment.


If you look at the bidding history on that item you'll see that he was bidding on his own item to push the price up. It happens a lot on E-bay these days.
The "Buy now" items however are legit and good deals.

nitromare
2008.02.23, 03:59 PM
how much are these running at the hobby shops ect.?