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InZane
2007.11.30, 04:47 PM
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro27aaa.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro27aaa_2.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro27aaa_3.jpg
As seen at PocketRocket.se (http://pocketrocket.se)

ruf
2007.11.30, 07:01 PM
Looks good as usual, InZane... Are you noticing a shift toward AAA in the Sweden racing scene?

color01
2007.11.30, 08:00 PM
That does look great.

For those 3 dampers, how is the CF plate mounted on the motor mount? With a single screw?

InZane
2007.12.01, 12:15 PM
That does look great.

For those 3 dampers, how is the CF plate mounted on the motor mount? With a single screw?
Both the middle screw and the right side damper are mounted onto the motor pod.
Track testing next week.

InZane
2007.12.01, 12:52 PM
Looks good as usual, InZane... Are you noticing a shift toward AAA in the Sweden racing scene?

Thank you for your kind words.

We will test a AAA-chassis with a VDSII body because of the current rules here in Sweden.

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/jonk_bil.jpg

Lexan bodied cars are allowed to use other cells but the weight limit is 210 grams instead of 180 grams for hard bodies & tripleA cell cars.
The last race I was TQ and Magnus Skold was second qualifier in another 2/3A Pro27 (I was really both the first and the second best qualifier) - but in both the 12 minute A-mains I dumped at ten.

lfisminiz
2007.12.01, 01:11 PM
Cool chassis and body. Got a better pic of the body? ;)

InZane
2007.12.01, 01:25 PM
Cool chassis and body. Got a better pic of the body? ;)

http://www.inzaneracing.com/bilder/pn_mounted.jpg

http://www.inzaneracing.com/bilder/triple.jpg

lfisminiz
2007.12.01, 10:06 PM
Thanks...very cool!! :)

InZane
2007.12.02, 01:27 PM
Video clip from the recent race held in Jonkoping Sweden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFGGOg2Jgno)

InZane
2007.12.13, 02:00 PM
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro3a_1.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro3a_2.jpg

The tests are very promising with the new Pro27, new motor pod and just one shock dampening the side to side movement.

color01
2007.12.13, 07:33 PM
I know you guys in Sweden get to run with foam tires on stick rubber mats, but still that is a heck of a lot of traction. Great stuff InZane. ;)

You may want to cut a new upper plate for the 3racing motor mount as I've found it flexes way too much to be used on its own. Because you rely heavily on the central damper, I would make it a priority to make the motor pod stiff enough to effectively transmit those forces.

Kel
2007.12.14, 08:37 AM
How do you like the new Team Orion AAA's? They sure do look great with the chassis.

InZane
2007.12.17, 04:41 AM
I know you guys in Sweden get to run with foam tires on stick rubber mats, but still that is a heck of a lot of traction. Great stuff InZane. ;)

You may want to cut a new upper plate for the 3racing motor mount as I've found it flexes way too much to be used on its own. Because you rely heavily on the central damper, I would make it a priority to make the motor pod stiff enough to effectively transmit those forces.

http://inzaneracing.com/bilder/pro27_3a_2.jpg

No, we haven't had any issues with the 3Racing pod beeing to flexy. Maybe it's because of the ball link & spring bottom plate is made from 1,5mm carbon plate and stiffens everything up.
Lap times at the test track is extremly promising already although we're still in a very early test phase.

skyler
2007.12.27, 03:06 PM
Inzane, That car looks awesome. How much longer before they are ready for sale?

InZane
2007.12.27, 03:37 PM
February - sorry, can't comment about anything when it comes to price, availability or what will be supplied with the kit.

InZane
2007.12.31, 04:19 AM
We've been looking for a body with a lot of downforce for the shorter tracks. Rony Racing has come up with a "mini-Lola" that looks just what we want.
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/rony.jpg

Davey G
2007.12.31, 08:58 AM
Hi Inzane I have been following your thread for quite some time, excellent work and design. DO you know how I can purchase one of these RONY Can Am type bodies? I found there website but dont see where I can purchase one. Thanks for your help!!

lfisminiz
2007.12.31, 01:04 PM
I agree. Need a eaisy way to buy. ;)

InZane
2008.01.01, 01:25 PM
Hi Inzane I have been following your thread for quite some time, excellent work and design. DO you know how I can purchase one of these RONY Can Am type bodies? I found there website but dont see where I can purchase one. Thanks for your help!!

Try sending an e-mail to rony@sky.plala.or.jp

ruf
2008.01.02, 07:51 PM
Keep in mind that the bottom 2 shots in that picture appear to be a 1/8 car that they modelled the Mini-Z body after. The proportions are similar, but not exactly the same due to the packaging constraints of the Mini-Z chassis. Looks good though! :)

InZane
2008.01.29, 08:11 AM
The last months have been filled with testing and evaluation of different setups. Small but very important changes have been made during the process. Geometry for the side damper, stiffer upper plate and softer rear springs to mention a few.
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/projan1.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/projan2.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/projan3.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/projan4.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/projan5.jpg

Davey G
2008.01.29, 09:21 AM
Your design looks awesome, very similar to a spring 1/12th scale car. Did anything ever come of the RONY body? I tried contacting them myself but they said there is no US agent to distribute them and shipping for me to buy one myself would be very high. Curious to know????

InZane
2008.01.29, 09:40 AM
Did anything ever come of the RONY body? I tried contacting them myself but they said there is no US agent to distribute them and shipping for me to buy one myself would be very high. Curious to know????

Sorry but I can't help you out with this - Inzane Racing is a Swedish company.
I'd try to convince Reflex Racing to import the Rony bodies - they seem to me to be the best small scale racing company in USA.

InZane
2008.01.30, 05:43 AM
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro27/proj2.jpg
Comparison with the old Pro27 2/3AA chassis - 4mm shorter wheelbase and 30 grams lighter.

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro27/proj5.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro27/proj7.jpg

Video from the test track where most of the testing is done. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1366387944080433819)

More pics on the Swedish PocketRocket site >> (http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=1)

InZane
2008.01.30, 04:06 PM
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/ass_1.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/ass_2.jpg

The soon to be released new Associated RC12R is making its first public appearance at this weeks Snowbird Nationals in Florida.
The link chassis design and single side damper looks familiar ;).
GMTA :D

Felix2010
2008.01.30, 04:54 PM
The Pro27AAA looks really excellent Inzane. Very cool.:cool:
How does the link chassis design and (more interestingly) the single-side damper work?
Also, about the battery setup:
Do you de-solder the 4-cell battery pack and charge each cell individually each time you work on the batteries?
THX :D

color01
2008.01.30, 07:17 PM
Insane. ;)

Pun aside, it looks really great. I'm curious, why does the rear pod "adapter" plate only use two holes of the 3racing bulkheads? Lighter weight vs. greater rear pod stiffness...?

Felix- I think I see gold bullet connectors, so I'd assume the battery pack uses a standard hobby-grade peak charger. :)

InZane
2008.01.31, 04:34 AM
We haven't found lack of stiffness to be an issue.
The original plate from 3Racing works fine, so to keep down the production costs we opted for this solution.
We are not trying to compete with the lower cost chassis - we are aiming for the serious racer that wants the best there is in this scale.
I'm sure the competition will be tough with Kyoshos, Grayscales and Sinisters on the track .

herman
2008.02.01, 04:21 AM
The link chassis design and single side damper looks familiar
hmmm... associated stole your design!!!! do i hear a multi million dollar lawsuit in the works???? :D

InZane
2008.02.01, 04:37 AM
Link cars goes back to the late eighties. I ran a CC Lynx - I think it was 89 - that was the first link car to my knowledge.
Single dampers is nothing new either.
What's interesting is that a hard core T-bar supporter like AE joins the link car trend.
So the bottom line is - AE "stole" the concept - just like we did ... Or maybe we just refined it :D

As I said - GMTA 8)

color01
2008.02.01, 06:41 PM
Link cars goes back to the late eighties. I ran a CC Lynx - I think it was 89 - that was the first link car to my knowledge.
Single dampers is nothing new either.
What's interesting is that a hard core T-bar supporter like AE joins the link car trend.
So the bottom line is - AE "stole" the concept - just like we did ... Or maybe we just refined it :D

As I said - GMTA 8)
What's interesting to me is that single side dampers were ditched a while ago, weren't they? Now that you and Associated are bringing it back, I'm curious as to what changed that turns this into the new winning setup.

InZane
2008.02.02, 03:09 AM
We've tried both disc dampers, Tri oil shocks, single oil shock with two side damper tubes (like the one I'm currently running) and latest set up with the center oil shock and single damper tube. This is what we found to work best so far with the new Pro27AAA (project name) chassis.
1:27/28 scale cars are very light and you don't have to use heavy damping on the rear pod, it's more important to get an equal smooth movement both to the right & left. It's an advantage if you can achieve this with just one damper because it will be lighter and less complex to set up.
That's why we opted for this design - as for AE you have to ask them. 1:12 cars are much heavier - in fact it looks like the new RC12R is using an oil shock instead of a regular damper tube, probably to cope with the much bigger forces involved.

InZane
2008.02.02, 03:10 AM
Sorry - double post

InZane
2008.02.04, 03:06 AM
Here are some pics from the national 1:27/28 series held in Hyltebruk this weekend.
http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=204&Itemid=41
There will be a video later this week as well - I'll give you the link when it's ready.

InZane
2008.02.04, 04:05 PM
Here's a video from the race in Hyltebruk (my car is the blue/yellow one - if you are able to see it).
http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=208&Itemid=1

color01
2008.02.04, 10:12 PM
I think you were battling with a white VDSII at some point in the race. If that car was yours, I'm very impressed.

Someone got too excited and knocked an apex head on in the first lap. That would probably be me at the local track. :D

InZane
2008.02.05, 04:41 AM
Yes that's me hitting the rail on the first lap - just in front of the camera as well :o .
The guy I'm chasing about 3 min into the video is Fredrik von Elling - a former European Champ (Kysosho 1:10 IC) and one of the fastest 1:27 drivers in Sweden.
I won the Swedish 1:10 Off Road Nats and had numerous A-mains in 1:12 Nats as well - but that goes like 20 years back. Nowadays I'm just to lazy to practice as much as it takes to be competitive - I'm 55 years and really enjoying my rocking chair :D .
There were two Pro27-AAA and my older Pro27-2/3AA in the A-main with three MR-02 filling up the grid. The winner, Magnus Dahlblom, drove a Kyosho (the ballistic red car). Magnus S (Pro27-AAA) was runner up, Fredrik v Elling third with another Kyosho and I was fourth, the second Pro27-AAA was fifth with the last of the MR-02s taking sixth place.
We are happy with the results considering that all three Pro27's made the A-main despite the 30 grams penalty weight rule.
Next time will be a bigger/faster track, Fredrik v Es home track, where our heavier weight hopefully will be less of an disadvantage.

http://www.inzaneracing.com/bilder/lead.jpg

Wolf
2008.02.05, 06:38 AM
Thats a great race.
It seems; there will be definately a great race in Istanbul.

I just wanted learn 30gr penalty rule. Are you 30grs heavier than other cars (asRTR with body) or is it just a compansation of lexan body.

InZane
2008.02.05, 07:01 AM
According to the Swedish 1:27 rules the minimum weight is 180 grams (RTR) ... BUT!
The rules committe has decided on a 210 grams weight rule for the Pro27 chassis (don't ask me why??).
The AAA-chassis is made to fit directly to the VDSII body - but with a lexan body the weight is approx. 165 gram. That's nearly 50 grams of lead :eek:

color01
2008.02.05, 09:33 PM
That's a bit messed up... you guys shouldn't be penalized for weight when the 180g limit already requires adding lead to an MR02. Still, knowing that you run with 45g of lead means the car is bloody fast when unrestricted. Good show! :cool:

InZane
2008.02.06, 02:51 AM
It depends – if the purpose was to get close racing I must say the rules are a fantastic success (even if it sucks to make the car slower). The A-main on the vid ended with the first 4 separated by only ten seconds after 12 minutes of racing – that’s close!
We are looking forward to the Worlds Final (The Hurda Challenge) in Istanbul in September where there’s a 160 grams limit regardless brand of chassis. I hope to see a lot of chassis and open drivers from all over the world there.

ruf
2008.02.13, 02:39 PM
Get ready folks... this is the one... ;)

color01
2008.02.13, 03:08 PM
Joe, are you importing these to the US? :)

ruf
2008.02.14, 08:31 PM
Shhh... ;)

CristianTabush
2008.02.15, 09:53 PM
Uh, oh! Ready to begin RCP testing tomorrow :)

Reflex Racing will be contributing on the development of the Pro27AAA on RCP from now on. We have two prototypes at hand and so far so good...

I have to say by far, this is the highest quality chassis I have ever held in my hands. None of the other cars compare. I am extremely impressed with the build quality, finish, quality of the materials, fit of the parts, design, innovation, everything. Even with this being a prototype, it is by far superior to everything else available at the time, all I can say is well done guys...
Now, some pics ;)

CristianTabush
2008.02.15, 09:56 PM
I would say one of the nicest feature is a wider front end as a standard. Ruf and myself have been preaching about this for quite some time. The Pro27AAA is 3 mm wider at each side in the front than the MR-02. This allows you to run +0 front wheels and the car be as wide as an MR-02 with +3 wheels. Running less offset in the front will lead to a car with quicker and more precise steering response.

ruf
2008.02.16, 11:33 PM
"I hate you kenny..."

http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/DSC02229.jpg

InZane
2008.02.17, 03:35 AM
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hylte/dahlisp1.jpg

The chassis is a (nearly) direct fit on the Atomic VDSII body.
We use regular body posts & clips to hold the body as this is a lot more secure fastening method - forget dislocated bodies.
What you need to do is to make holes for the post and some dremeling on the "side air intakes".
Lexan bodies, if legal, are of course also an option.

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hylte/dahlisp2.jpg

CristianTabush
2008.02.17, 07:03 PM
First Report:

I got to run the car for a couple of battery packs on RCP yesterday. Our club has low to medium grip and the surface is a bit bumpy (not only due to the RCP tiles, but also the surface underneath). On the first run the car was a bit bouncy as the dampening was too light. Grip was overall very good, especially in the front.

Second run I added some Atomic Medium SAS lube to the side damper tube and the center shock. The car now handled the bumps much better, but lost some rear grip. I was having slight steering issues as I didn't have the servo recommended by inzane installed yet. I kept adjusting tweak and ride height afterwards and managed to generate a little more grip with the car. The car is still a bit unpredictable though. With a little track time, it should be on par or better than the rest of the cars out there.

My first impressions of the Pro-27 are very promising. The car is very close to being VERY, VERY fast. I still need to find the ideal tire combination for the car as it generates much more steering than the MR-02. The same tires in the front end of this car as in an MR-02 generate twice the amount of steering.

CristianTabush
2008.02.25, 05:53 PM
Our first review is now on-line. We will add as we discover more information on the car and the set-ups required to run on RCP.
http://www.reflexracing.net/inzane.asp

ruf
2008.02.27, 05:57 PM
From our top-secret DonkeyWorks facility... :D

http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0315.jpg
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0316.jpg

How low can you go?
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0317.jpg

What's that little hole for?
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0319.jpg

The Giro-Z transponder beacon of course!
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0320.jpg

Ah, I miss the days of building my own kits! I'm probably the happiest with how the wiring turned out. I'm trying to use a microflight receiver so I rewired everything with these tiny JST plugs and thin wires cut to exact length. I was going to chop off the 3rd and 4th channel plugs to make the receiver even smaller, but I realized that I could use one to power the Giro-Z transponder! :D

InZane
2008.03.02, 05:17 AM
Pics from my "just as top secret" Hurda Challenge Pan Car project :)

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/hurda1.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/hurda2.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/hurda3.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/hurda4.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/hurda5.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/hurda6.jpg

minizforever
2008.03.02, 09:31 AM
Wow really nice setup man, love the scoops where the front fenders are

Felix2010
2008.03.02, 10:48 AM
@INZANE - Love your car man.... Wow.:D Nothing else like it in 1/27 racing.
How do you like the 3R Outer-tuned diff? Also, did you install a PN 64-pitch spur on that diff? How did that go, does it just drop in or are there any mods that have to be done to the diff to fit the 64p spurs? There's another post where I asked this question, but I saw your car and I've been eager to find out if this combo diff+spur work well together. Thanks:)
Very much looking forward to seeing more of this car :D

InZane
2008.03.02, 02:04 PM
I tried the 3Racing diff more than a year ago and used them since then - it's by far the best diff there is IMHO.
Super smooth and the ball bearing takes away the wobble you always have with other diffs.
PN's 64 pitch spur gears are direct replacements - but I haven't had time to do full testing yet, but so far it's has worked very good.

NOMOTORLIMIT
2008.03.02, 04:51 PM
You do awesome work, Inzane! It's people like you that gives this hobby a whole different spin. I'm very impressed.

color01
2008.03.02, 07:18 PM
Ridiculously nice, and the wiring looks great too (bullet plugs = nice touch). Mind if I ask what ESC and receiver you're using?

ruf
2008.03.03, 12:02 AM
Felix - I just tried it and the PN 64 pitch gears are a direct swap for the 3Racing outer tuned ball diff. Smooth too. Try the 53T spur for a "standard" sized diff.

I took pictures so expect a new diff build tutorial soon! Sanding and gluing rings, ball count, thrust bearings, and resurfacing left hub flats will all be covered as well as an overall layout of the 3Racing outer tuned ball diff.

color01 - dunno if you're typing to me, but I'm using a decased Xray speedo and a Cirrus micro-flight rx retuned for 75MHz.

color01
2008.03.03, 03:09 AM
Thanks ruf, I was asking InZane but now that you mention it it does look like you guys are both using the Cirrus receiver. Didn't realize Cirrus can re-tune those to 75MHz. Anyways, thanks for the quick reply. :)

ruf
2008.03.03, 03:24 AM
Based on his plug configuration, I don't think InZane is using a Cirrus.

InZane - BTW, nice recessed servo... ;)

Programmers
2008.03.03, 05:46 AM
These types of chassis aren't normally my thing but it has to be said that you've done an outstanding job on that. That's imaculate work! I like how well it will work with a VDSII body.

InZane
2008.03.04, 12:05 PM
I've been admiring TrueScale Products extremely nice lexan bodies for some time. Especially the open Ferrari 312PB once driven by Ronnie Petersson (AKA Mr. Over steer).
I just had to try one on my Pro27AAA
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/312_1.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/312_2.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/312_3.jpg

TruescaleProducts >> (http://truescaleproducts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=24&osCsid=f90a818e306b226c7d2300b286e8f1b9)

mleemor60
2008.03.04, 12:34 PM
I was very fond of RP also. I always thought that HE and not Mario, should have been Champion.

Back on topic, Check out www.abslotsports.com they have some very nice bodies. They also make the same bodies in plastic. They are sold as 24th scale but they sit very nicely over a mini-z chassis.

byteme909
2008.03.15, 11:47 PM
Hi,

this car looks very interesting. i was wondering if this car would be able to accept regular hard bodies from kyosho? no offense to anyone, but the reason i like this scale is because of the realistic bodies kyosho comes out with.

also will this car be mass produced or custom order only?

thanks guys. and thank you RUF for directing me to this thread.

byteme909
2008.03.16, 02:57 AM
Sorry, just a few more questions and comments.

What type of electronics does this car use? It looks like an decased X-Ray ESC and some kind of micro servo. What kind of decased receiver is that?

I know the car is still in prototype stage, but i really liked the one piece front suspension more than the al. lower/carbon crossbar combo.

Thanks for all the pics Inzane. Its an awesome car you've got.

InZane
2008.03.17, 11:34 AM
Yes, it's a decased Xray 300R ESC. The receiver is a 40MHz ACT RX3 Multi (http://www.acteurope.de/html/rx3_multi.html).
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/front.jpg
The new front end is a great improvement over the old one piece unit.Now you just have to remove the two screws holding the upper carbon crossbar to get access to the front springs&knuckles.

My new body - Truescale Products Mirage M2
http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/mirage3.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/mirage2.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/bloggar/pekka/mirage1.jpg

Latest news:
The Pro27AAA won the SydvastCup Finals this weekend (Swedish National 1:27/28 Series) - six Pro27 in top eight!

InZane
2008.03.17, 06:23 PM
Video from second A-main (http://youtube.com/watch?v=28lbDjp8oss)

Magnus Skold's winning Pro27AAA

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/lidkoping/lid2.jpg

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/lidkoping/lid3.jpg

You can find more pics from the event here >> (http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=237&Itemid=1)

byteme909
2008.03.17, 11:45 PM
thanks for the reply inzane.

its hard to tell from the pics, but how is the servo mounted onto the chassis? from some of the pics there seems to be a screw on the bottom chassis plate and on top of the carbon suspension bar that holds some servo mounts. this doesnt seem to be the case anymore with the servo being lowered into the chassis.

i just thought a one piece design would be more rigid. plus the original kyosho design for the MR02 king pin is slotted so that we can easily remove the plastic c clip on top to change the springs/knuckles without having to remove and upper piece like the MR01. also in many of the prototype photos it seems the front suspension is held together via the plastic body post. wouldn't an aluminum piece be more rigid and durable than a plastic body post?

thanks again for all the answers. i look forward to seeing more photos of the prototype car and the developments u guys have.

eztuner12
2008.03.26, 11:43 PM
From our top-secret DonkeyWorks facility... :D

http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0315.jpg
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0316.jpg

How low can you go?
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0317.jpg

What's that little hole for?
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0319.jpg

The Giro-Z transponder beacon of course!
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/gallery/inzane/HPIM0320.jpg

Ah, I miss the days of building my own kits! I'm probably the happiest with how the wiring turned out. I'm trying to use a microflight receiver so I rewired everything with these tiny JST plugs and thin wires cut to exact length. I was going to chop off the 3rd and 4th channel plugs to make the receiver even smaller, but I realized that I could use one to power the Giro-Z transponder! :D
Here I am Ruf and Cristian, as ruf suggested on the “Pro-Z AWD carbon chassis” topic, where I suggested side-to-side assessment between the Sinister vs. InZane. BTW. Thanks for the comments to my note.
I am certainly looking forward to purchase one of these 2wd pan chassis to race on an RCP Track that is!
I can’t complain about the Mini-Z, but, they are really not properly design regarding geometric, weight distribution is terrible and the materials are not good, cracks and bending doe to heat is very common on Mini-Z chassis, this are more toys R/C car than a true R/C racer chassis as the InZane and Sinister are, but I can not denied that the Mini-z are a lot of fun to race.
Please keep us posted about your improvements on RCP Tracks with the InZane
One question. Would you supply an ESC for the InZane? Regarding receiver, would the Ko Propo KR-302F fit on the InZane?
Thxxxxx
Cheers

CristianTabush
2008.03.26, 11:58 PM
Richard, the KR302 will be a tight fit. You might be able to de-case it, but in the regular case...

As for ESC, the XRay XMC180 and the Spinner by TGR are both very adequate. The Spinner might even be a slightly better fit.

We are very excited about the chassis and can't wait to start selling them as well. Just don't know how close Inzane is actually to going into production. I think the car is getting pretty close to doing so.

InZane
2008.03.31, 02:18 PM
We have already released the chassis for the Swedish market. This is a rubber track/foam tire version. We are still in R&D phase with the RCP version that probably will differ slightly from the one released (what & how the continuing R&D will tell, we are very happy to have Reflex Racing participating in this).

The Hurda Challenge - last big race this season in Sweden - was held in Jonkoping this weekend.
The Pro27AAA was dominating the meeting taking the three first places.

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/podium_cars.jpg

The winners circle

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_winner.jpg

Magnus Skold - Winner of the Swedish Hurda Challenge (and constructor of the Pro27AAA chassis)

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_1.jpg

The winner - Magnus Skold's cPro27AAA (Chili motor, Inzane Rears, Inzane Fronts)

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_2.jpg

Runner up - Magnus Dahlbom's car (Chili motor, Inzane Rears, GRP Fronts)

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_3.jpg

3'rd place - hey ... that looks pretty much like my car :cool: (Chili motor, Inzane Rears, Inzane Fronts)

More pictures from the event >> (http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=54)

eztuner12
2008.04.02, 11:53 AM
We have already released the chassis for the Swedish market. This is a rubber track/foam tire version. We are still in R&D phase with the RCP version that probably will differ slightly from the one released (what & how the continuing R&D will tell, we are very happy to have Reflex Racing participating in this).

The Hurda Challenge - last big race this season in Sweden - was held in Jonkoping this weekend.
The Pro27AAA was dominating the meeting taking the three first places.

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/podium_cars.jpg

The winners circle

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_winner.jpg

Magnus Skold - Winner of the Swedish Hurda Challenge (and constructor of the Pro27AAA chassis)

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_1.jpg

The winner - Magnus Skold's cPro27AAA (Chili motor, Inzane Rears, Inzane Fronts)

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_2.jpg

Runner up - Magnus Dahlbom's car (Chili motor, Inzane Rears, GRP Fronts)

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/tavling/hurda/hurda_3.jpg

3'rd place - hey ... that looks pretty much like my car :cool: (Chili motor, Inzane Rears, Inzane Fronts)

More pictures from the event >> (http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=54)
Hi InZane,
Achieving these three top positions is an excellent accomplishment in any dictionary.
One Queston. I am still in quest of a receiver that will fit the Pro27AAA and be compatible with my Ko Propo Helios. Do you know if the Novak XXL- 2 CH FM 27MHz would be a good chose?
Thx,

InZane
2008.04.02, 02:15 PM
I'm not familiar what frequencies are legal for RC cars in America but size wise the Castle Creations Berg 4L (http://www.castlecreations.com/products/berg_ms4l.html) looks to fit the bill. I guess you need to find a channel 61-90 crystal. I'd contact CC and ask them.
We use 40 MHz receivers (or Spektrum) in Sweden and have a lot of different brands to choose from.

ruf
2008.04.02, 02:23 PM
Hi Richard,

Try the GWS Pico inh 75MHz. That's what I'm using until the KO 2.4GHz system comes out. Then I'll try a decased version of that.

eztuner12
2008.04.04, 12:39 PM
Thx 4 da in-put InZane and Ruf
I just want to have all electronics I will need for the Pro27AAA located, to order it, as soon I need them, at the time I buy the Pro27AAA, if that’s the case.
Ruf, do you guys at Reflex will offer a Team Edition Package of the Pro27AAA with electronics included, maybe compatible with Ko Propo transmitters ??
Again thx,
Cheers

ruf
2008.04.05, 06:33 AM
Fresh from battle...

http://www.reflexracing.net/images/inzane/HPIM0410.JPG

The car took some pretty big hits in tonight's main, but came away unscathed and untweaked! The handling seems to be a bit of a contradiction in that it's smooth and planted, yet nimble and graceful. The steering is lightning quick, and it takes a little getting used to, but the front end feels ultra precise. This is as close to a 1/12 scale I've ever felt.

As for the Team Edition, we will definitely offer packages and full RTR builds! :D

eztuner12
2008.04.05, 10:10 AM
Ruf,
EXCELLENT!!! Man, that's super news.:D
Any idea when you will have them in stock ready to sell?
Cheers

CristianTabush
2008.04.05, 08:01 PM
RCX will be one of our final tests on RCP. The set-up is close to being there. I am testing next weekend and obviously the following week will be RCX. Possible changes for RCP are a slightly more flexible chassis, although we don't know if it really makes that big of a difference or not.

We will also probably release a "Team Edition" which will come with all the bells and whistles without electronics. Making them RTR with electronics is very labor intensive and even though a good idea, the ideal electronics are readily available through most distributors and it perhaps doesn't make sense for them to come RTR as they would be too expensive. Of course we will offer the service of the build, but it probably won't be too cheap. :P We will definitely put a list down of what electronics we recommend and how to do it through one of our articles.

eztuner12
2008.04.05, 08:25 PM
RCX will be one of our final tests on RCP. The set-up is close to being there. I am testing next weekend and obviously the following week will be RCX. Possible changes for RCP are a slightly more flexible chassis, although we don't know if it really makes that big of a difference or not.

We will also probably release a "Team Edition" which will come with all the bells and whistles without electronics. Making them RTR with electronics is very labor intensive and even though a good idea, the ideal electronics are readily available through most distributors and it perhaps doesn't make sense for them to come RTR as they would be too expensive. Of course we will offer the service of the build, but it probably won't be too cheap. :P We will definitely put a list down of what electronics we recommend and how to do it through one of our articles.
Hi Cristian,
That's the way to go!!!
Certainly the list of recommended electronics as well as installation recommendations and tutorial is a BIG plus for Reflex. Thxxxx!!!
Cheers

Flashsp-2
2008.04.07, 01:38 AM
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/inzane/HPIM0410.JPG



That thing is filthy. It's also my new background :D

How is the GWS Rx working for you Joe? I had to turn the speed down a lot on the UR in order to get the servo and ESC under control, otherwise I got a lot of shaking and stuttering, like the RX just couldn't keep up.

P.S. Did you guys get a chance to run up those motor samples yet?

InZane
2008.04.07, 01:54 AM
I used the GWS receiver in my old Pro27 2/3AA version.

http://www.pocketrocket.se/images/stories/27T/pro27/proj1.jpg

To reduce stutter I had a capacitor plugged to the receiver (the blue thing to the right of the ESC).

You can read about the Stutter Stopper here >> (http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=147144)

CristianTabush
2008.04.07, 02:00 AM
The motors will be tested this weekend...

Flashsp-2
2008.04.07, 05:23 AM
@Inzane-Thanks for the response. I know about stutter stoppers, caps, and such, I just had an issue with the GWS vs. the Ko Propo KR302F that I have. I hooked everything up without any real drain (no chassis, just the motor and servo in the air) and the servo and motor were freaking out with the GWS, causing interaction with each other, and jumping around a lot. This stopped when I set the TX speed to normal. It functions fine now, I am just curious as to how much better the set-up would be if I could run at advanced setting with the Tx. The GWS isn't capable of running at that setting without a lot of issues. Anway, your chassis is looking better and better :D

@Cristian-That's great, looking forward to your team's feedback.

CristianTabush
2008.04.12, 07:07 PM
Just got done testing and all I can say is WOW!!!

This car is the most precise, easy to drive car that I have driven. We had a really high speed layout in which stability was necessary and the car overcame it like a champ! Fast lap of the day was by myself with the AWD, a 6.3 sec lap. My AWD was a little nervous and harder to drive than the Pro 27, with most of my laps fluctuating within 6.3-7.0, With the Pro 27, I managed a 6.5, but all the laps were consistently between 6.5 and 6.8.

My benchmark was an MR-02 PanCar which is literally unbeatable. It is converted to use a Spektrum receiver, Spinner Speedo and a KO Propo digital servo board. This car managed to run a 6.5 with quite a bit more motor, but was nowhere near as consistent or easy to drive as the Pro27. I think that if the Pro 27 would have had the same amount of power, it would have probably matched or eclipsed the AWD time of 6.3. The biggest and most impressive feature about the Inzane car was its ability to accelerate. It accelerated just as fast as an AWD. I have never seen a 2WD car take off the line with as much grip and composure.

I think the set-up still needs a bit of tweaking, perhaps a slightly stiffer rear side spring rate would have made the car rotate a little bit better, but I simply ran out of time to test this. I will try to be at Kenon next Friday all day fine tuning it for RCX on Saturday and Sunday.

JacobFeinstein
2008.04.12, 09:59 PM
I also had an opportunity to drive the car, and it was really impressive. It has fantastic corner speed and changed direction very well. It was more precise than an MR-02, but is also a more forgiving machine. It's very exciting to have such an excellent chassis be a part of the Pan Car class in the future.

tudor_47
2008.04.14, 04:23 AM
Ruf: I know I am not the only one wondering...

what kind of tires are you using for RCP?

CristianTabush
2008.04.14, 10:38 AM
The only tires to use for RCP Reflex SSG2WD! ;)

eztuner12
2008.04.14, 12:46 PM
Just got done testing and all I can say is WOW!!!

This car is the most precise, easy to drive car that I have driven. We had a really high speed layout in which stability was necessary and the car overcame it like a champ! Fast lap of the day was by myself with the AWD, a 6.3 sec lap. My AWD was a little nervous and harder to drive than the Pro 27, with most of my laps fluctuating within 6.3-7.0, With the Pro 27, I managed a 6.5, but all the laps were consistently between 6.5 and 6.8.

My benchmark was an MR-02 PanCar which is literally unbeatable. It is converted to use a Spektrum receiver, Spinner Speedo and a KO Propo digital servo board. This car managed to run a 6.5 with quite a bit more motor, but was nowhere near as consistent or easy to drive as the Pro27. I think that if the Pro 27 would have had the same amount of power, it would have probably matched or eclipsed the AWD time of 6.3. The biggest and most impressive feature about the Inzane car was its ability to accelerate. It accelerated just as fast as an AWD. I have never seen a 2WD car take off the line with as much grip and composure.

I think the set-up still needs a bit of tweaking, perhaps a slightly stiffer rear side spring rate would have made the car rotate a little bit better, but I simply ran out of time to test this. I will try to be at Kenon next Friday all day fine tuning it for RCX on Saturday and Sunday.
Hi Cristian
Did these test was performed using the same power-plant and batteries? Please specify
Can you provide us with the total weight of each chassis used on the test (MR-02, MR-10 and Pro27AAA) ready-race?
These are very important details, same as the ALT (average lap time) before I make any judgment and future comments, as well as, future buying decision.
At this point only one comment arise. Considering that the 3 chassis had the same motor/Batty and little difference in weight, and based on the say about one fast lap or like many call it a ”lucky lap” (Not to many of us whom uses a “fast lap” as a parameter to evaluate the potential of a chassis, not just bare lucky lap) The MA-010 (AWD) is potentially better than the Pro27AAA. If the car is capable of making the fastest lap once than is capable to do it again and again, if not, revise the driver not the chassis.
Cheers.

ruf
2008.04.14, 12:48 PM
Yup. SSG2WD. I also had some more time with the car this weekend. I played around with spring rates, etc. The car handled awesome though I was jetlagged and very sleepy... :p I let a few people at the track try it out and everyone was impressed. The car is SO much smoother and more precise than anything in this scale. The corner speed is ridiculous.

tudor_47
2008.04.14, 12:53 PM
The only tires to use for RCP Reflex SSG2WD! ;)

OK! I should have known!

so is this a rear tire only? What do I put on in front?

Sorry for the very basic ?? We normally only run foam tires on our permanent track, RCP is something we normally run only for the final in our race series... The club tracks are rubber surface and foam is very good on it.

I'll be ordering some sets for testing.
And is the tire a good tire directly from the bag or does it need running in before beeing optimal in performance?
Thanks!
/johnny
PS
for pictures of our permanent track click link and scroll down, all text is in Swedish but I'll be happy to answer any ?? you might have...
http://www.miniracingbolaget.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9818

eztuner12
2008.04.14, 01:12 PM
Hi InZane
After reading the latest post from Cristian, regarding this weekend Pro27 test results. It came back to my mind your comments about the latest Hurda Challenge, in which you mentioned that the Pro 27AAA, took the first three places. Can you please mention which other chassis where competing in the race?
Thxxxxxx
Cheers

tudor_47
2008.04.14, 01:23 PM
eztuner12:

there were PRO27AAA and MR02 and I was supposed to runmy Sinister but I broke adamperplate during saturday training.... And yes I did not have a spare!! So I used my MR02.

the results are here and in the table there is a row for chassie:
http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=245&Itemid=41

scroll down a few pictures and you''ll fins it.
/Johnny

eztuner12
2008.04.14, 02:00 PM
eztuner12:

there were PRO27AAA and MR02 and I was supposed to runmy Sinister but I broke adamperplate during saturday training.... And yes I did not have a spare!! So I used my MR02.

the results are here and in the table there is a row for chassie:
http://www.pocketrocket.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=245&Itemid=41

scroll down a few pictures and you''ll fins it.
/Johnny
Thx Tudor 47
Great data. I can see that the qualifying results on the top positions, where the same as the final. So drivers have an impact on the results? I really don’t know their backgrounds.
Hope to see more TGR’s competing at the RCX, and GOOD luck to ya!
Again thaxxxx
Cheers

CristianTabush
2008.04.14, 02:17 PM
Richard, the only two cars that had the same power plant were the MR-02 Pan Car and the AWD. The Inzane car had lower voltage batteries (only had enough plugs to build one pack, and I had not yet received my R1 Wurks batteries when I built the pack) and an Inferior motor in an Anima 2 v. T2 in the other two cars.

The only two cars to evaluate in this comparison is the 2 Pan Cars. AWD's run in an entirely different category and are far superior in low grip tracks such as our local track. Comparing an AWD to a Pan Car is Apples to Oranges. Considering the Pro-27 (soon to be P-28) got within 0.2 seconds of the AWD and ran a much quicker and consistent average lap time than the MR-02 Pan Car, I would say the car is quicker over the period of a race. Sure the AWD lap times can be replicated, but they would never be pinned up against each other in any major competition. If the grip level was higher, I believe the Inzane car would match or improve the time of the Mini-Z AWD. For example at the old Atomic Mods test track, which was permanent and had HUGE grip, the AWD's were consistently 2 tenths slower than the MR-02 touring cars and about 4 tenths slower than the Pan Cars.

Another thing to consider is the MR-02 pan car does not have standard electronics. It has hobby grade equipment retrofitted to get a test of the chassis and not the electronic equipment. An MR-02 with regular electronics is not as quick as this purpose-built, test mule. Electronics make a HUGE difference in the control factor due to the throttle resolution and servo precision.

I don't have a scale to weight the cars right now, so I can not elaborate on that.

Finally, this is only my second test session with this car. Where the other two chassis I have a couple of years of development with them. Once the car is optimized to run on RCP with rubber tires (it was designed for foam tires on various surfaces), lap times should keep dropping.

Tudor, running on rubber tires would probably slow you down. Foams are lighter and provide much more grip than rubber. So if foams are allowed where you race, I'd say stick with them. I run a combo of SSG rears and atomic 40 AW groove fronts.

eztuner12
2008.04.14, 03:34 PM
Thx 4 da valuable info man!
Hey, GOOD luck at the West Coast Challenge, looking forward to read about a good competition at RCX.
Cheers

tudor_47
2008.04.14, 04:09 PM
Tudor, running on rubber tires would probably slow you down. Foams are lighter and provide much more grip than rubber. So if foams are allowed where you race, I'd say stick with them. I run a combo of SSG rears and atomic 40 AW groove fronts.

Thanks!

Well that is the problem, foams are allowed however grip is only good for say 4-5 minutes then it gets more and more slippery, so we are all searching for better tires for RCP.
The way we survive is to between heats run the tire in a tire truer to get the tire as new again... just a little tuch on the truer is enough. Again you are good for 4-5minutes.....
and this is for the "race" specified cars that is engine MUST be Atomic Stock-r (handout) if we get into modified and try to run the chili.... who knows what will happen?? No race has been run in modified on RCP, well not that I know of.....
We(MiniZata.com) are hosting an race with modified and chili engine will be the normal, track is RCP.... what tires??

again thanks for your time and goodluck at RCX and prove the PRO27AAA the winner it is.

InZane
2008.04.15, 04:39 AM
http://inzaneracing.com/bilder/inzane_palm2.jpg

Sometimes we forget the palm size of these cars.
Even very small changes can make big differences in handling.
To find the optimal set up takes a lot of testing and what works on the Kyosho won’t always work the same way with this chassis.
I think that having competitive lap times after a few days of testing shows Cristians talent as a driver & set up expert … but also the potential of the chassis.
Of course we feel very flattered and grateful having Reflex Racing cooperating with the R&D. But we know that these things take time. The first outing will be the West Cost Challenge at RCX, we hope we can show more of the chassis potential there. I’ve always thought that cars (as well as athletes) prove themselves in real competition not in their own "back yard".

Flashsp-2
2008.04.15, 05:31 AM
Looks great Inzane, good luck to the Reflex crew at RCX.

eztuner12
2008.04.15, 12:03 PM
Hello Gentlemen’s
I guess luck is on the Pro27AAA regarding its almost sure victory at the RCX this weekend. I just received a note from TGR and Atomicmods, each of them confirming that, the Sinister won’t participate on the RCX race this year as a factory team, do to the reason, that they don’t have a team driver. So unless a particular racer participates with a Sinister the race will be between Kyosho Mini-z (Don’t know if kyosho will go as a factory team) and Reflex, Pro27 AAA supported by its team drivers.
To bad that any of these”Pro-pan chassis” will prove its superiority against each other, and it comes to my mind that these chassis (Pro-Z, Pro27AAA, ALS Racing M280C, TGR Sinister, Greyscale MRCG, Technical RP Waver 02M Full Optional Chassis), are more dependable on a team or factory driver than its true performance and trustworthy tech and parts factory support, something that we can achieve from a brand product as Kyosho and its secondary parts producers as; Atomic, PN and 3Racing, in this particular scale.
Cheers

color01
2008.04.15, 12:17 PM
InZane, Reflex, the car looks great; best of luck to you guys at RCX! My car is still behind yours in terms of development but when it's done I look forward to pitting our creations against one another. :)

mk2kompressor
2008.04.15, 12:50 PM
maybe next year ill make it to the rcx with a sinister:rolleyes:unless you guys want to fly over here;)

eztuner12
2008.04.15, 02:03 PM
InZane, Reflex, the car looks great; best of luck to you guys at RCX! My car is still behind yours in terms of development but when it's done I look forward to pitting our creations against one another. :)
Hi Color 01
Any words or pics from your MRCG 1/28?
Do you have any up-date on these nice chassis, or any new evolution/version of it?
Thx
Cheers

CristianTabush
2008.04.15, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the kind words. For sure it is an exciting time for us at Reflex to have the opportunity to debut this beautifully crafted car at an event like this. I know I was excited last year in Portugal to debut the TGR with Jacob. In terms of development though, I never felt so good about a non MR-02 chassis so quickly. This car is very much so ready to race with the most competitive Pan Cars out there. The platform has undergone tons of testing and changes by our Swedish friends and I believe now is the time to capitalize and demonstrate the potential of this purpose built machine.

It won't be easy for sure, we will only have 2 cars running at the event, and I know a lot of people have their MR-02 Pan Cars running really quick out on the West Coast.

InZane
2008.04.15, 04:01 PM
Hello Gentlemen’s
I guess luck is on the Pro27AAA regarding its almost sure victory at the RCX this weekend. ...

Thanx for your faith in the P28 chassis. Unfortunately it’s not as simple as you may think to win a big race like the West Coast Challenge. I guess that you are just unfamiliar with the extremely high level of competition in todays 1:28 scale racing .

eztuner12
2008.04.15, 04:42 PM
Thanx for your faith in the P28 chassis. Unfortunately it’s not as simple as you may think to win a big race like the West Coast Challenge. I guess that you are just unfamiliar with the extremely high level of competition in todays 1:28 scale racing .
Hi InZane,
I guess you are right. We larger scale, world-class fuel drivers, have never considerate this miniature toy R/C scales more than what they are. But times are changing and I really hope this point of view for the 1/28 changes, with the introduction of fine chassis like the Pro28AAA, Sinister and others. I personally am looking forward to acquire one of this Pro-chassis, but unfortunately they never accomplish their goals and never make it to the market permanently as Branded chassis. Maybe the issue is on the financial and marketing support Capacity , than winning races or the chassis performances.
Cheers

Red Team
2008.04.15, 04:42 PM
Hi InZane, any clue for the release date in Europe ?

InZane
2008.04.15, 05:11 PM
The chassis is already released for the Swedish market.
For the moment we will focus on the North American market.
If everything goes as planned we will start selling the P28 for the EU market in September.
Our production capacity isn't comparable with Kyosho as you probably understand. The chassis will be a limited edition kit aimed towards the extremly race oriented customers who wants the best.

CristianTabush
2008.04.15, 05:43 PM
Not to overstep myself, but you should be able to get the USA RCP version through Reflex Racing. We do ship internationally. :)
Again, reserve your car, because they will be very exclusive limited release kits. We are already taking pre-orders on our site.

eztuner12
2008.04.15, 05:47 PM
[QUOTE=InZane;298916]The chassis is already released for the Swedish market.

So we can order it from Sweden? Please forward me the e-address where I can order one.
I have decided to buy a Sinister too, so I can test them both myself.
Thxxxx
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.04.15, 06:20 PM
[QUOTE=CristianTabush;298924]Not to overstep myself, but you should be able to get the USA RCP version through Reflex Racing.

Hello Cristian,
An RCP Track Version?? Wow, that’s the one I want!!!
Maybe I can order the complete chassis set at Sweden and get the RCP Track version, conversion kit from you at Reflex now?
Shipping wil be to Miami FL. It is good to know you ship Internationally. I have R/C College from Italy, Belgium, Germany, Nederland’s, Mexico, Guatemala, Venezuela and Brazil considering entering this 1/28 class, if the chassis are right. Today many of us are very busy taking care of our business or jobs, plus no good reflex to compete with today’s new breed of R/C Pro-driver’s generation. So 1/28 is an excellent option to take it as a hobby and have fun this time without the pressures. Reason why I am promoting the class among us
Cheers

color01
2008.04.15, 10:06 PM
Hi Color 01
Any words or pics from your MRCG 1/28?
Do you have any up-date on these nice chassis, or any new evolution/version of it?
Thx
Cheers
I sent you a PM to avoid cluttering this thread. ;)

eztuner12
2008.04.15, 11:28 PM
I sent you a PM to avoid cluttering this thread. ;)
1000 Thx Color01,
I have reply your PM
Cheers

CristianTabush
2008.04.15, 11:46 PM
I was actually born and raised in Guatemala :)

InZane
2008.04.16, 02:40 AM
So we can order it from Sweden? Please forward me the e-address where I can order one.


The first batch of chassis (25 kits EU ver.) are already sold out. People literally waited in the end of the “production line” to get one.
Next batch (RCP ver.) is for the USA market.

The chassis (EU ver.) will be sold through Inzane Racing (http://www.inzaneracing.com) – new reworked shopping site will open early autumn.

Red Team
2008.04.16, 03:16 AM
So, if I'm in Europe and let's say I want the RCP version, I still have to order in USA and to pay custom duties and VAT and all the other taxes for a product that it's actually manufactured in Europe ? Hmmm....:(
Anyway, depends of the Reflex retail price, because of the USD - Euro exchange rate, might end up at the same final price...we'll see.

InZane
2008.04.16, 03:22 AM
Both versions will be sold by Reflex Racing and Inzane Racing.

Next batch will be for the USA market (RCP ver.)

eztuner12
2008.04.16, 10:05 AM
I was actually born and raised in Guatemala :)
That’s great Cristian
So do you remember the Spanish language?
My daughter is actually going to Landivar University in Guatemala City majoring in International Relations. She will graduate next year and then directly to George Town University at DC for her masters degree.
To bad that Guatemala is been taken over by the crime and corruption, such a beautiful colorful Country, as well as, their people. Many Italian descendent in Guatemala
They are several R/C clubs in Guatemala including Mini-z’s. I have had very good experience there at the time I was assigned by Serpent USA to organize and promote the
”Serpent challenge” throughout Latin America by 1995-96.
Cheers:)

eztuner12
2008.04.16, 10:13 AM
Both versions will be sold by Reflex Racing and Inzane Racing.

Next batch will be for the USA market (RCP ver.)
Thx InZane,
No problem I can wait.
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.04.25, 02:28 PM
Hello
Any one has comments regarding its experience with the Pro 28 AAA at the West coast Challenge??
Cristian, I would like to hear from you, the overall outcome of the final test.
To me the results of the event are not a matter, for many reasons, but how it go?
Cheers

CristianTabush
2008.04.26, 03:55 PM
The car was decent, but ALL PAN CARS at the event were pretty much on ice. I had a problem with no front grip, causing my car to under steer in low speed corners terribly. Just could not find a correct front tire all weekend long. It was difficult because when I thought I had found something good, the track would change again and the car would under steer once more. I need a little more time to understand the dynamic of the car a bit better.

The most positive part about it was that I did manage the fastest lap of the race in Pan Car with an 11.4 second lap. A little more development for a low grip track set-up is needed, it is just going to take some time. Not having a track to run on right now is slowing down my track time with the car... It will be another 2 weeks before I can run the car again...

eztuner12
2008.04.26, 07:43 PM
Hello Cristian
Thx u so much for the report. Yes certainly a different track will definitely impact on the tires performance, it does not matter if it is an RCP track; wear, storage conditions, temperature, they all contribute to this.
Hey it seems that your testing is near a closure, once you have accomplished a solution to your front tire situation?
Cristian, a few weeks a go I was talking to an old R/C friend, about the same subject (Tires Issues) I have noticed that any time I replace a set of tires for a new set (using same match compound hardness degree and brand) my car handling varies. The first question he made to me was; if I was verifying the tires compound hardness degree with my tire durometer? No never, was my immediate answer. I never thought of it, in this size scale. So as soon we ended our conversation I indeed presided measuring a lot of new tires of different compound hardness and brands. Incredible for me, yes, about 70 % of the tested tires didn’t match with the compound degree marked on the label:eek:; for example, a marked label with 20 degree, when practically measured with the durometer, it was 22 degree or 18 degree, some tires had a difference up to 3 degree, plenty to make you go nuts trying to figure out the reason way your chassis does handle deferent than before the tires where replaced. So from that very moment on, I do this exercise before I run-in my tires, and double-check as soon they have been run-in. Now I can match the tires as close as I want them. This has indeed been a very positive solution in helping my chassis enhance its performance and predictability.
Cheers

Cherub1m
2008.04.27, 09:59 AM
The first question he made to me was; if I was verifying the tires compound hardness degree with my tire durometer?

Cheers

Hi eztuner

Well, one learns something new everyday in this hobby. I did not even know they had this, except for real scale race cars :D. Is this tire durometer obtainable at local hobby stores? and where did you get yours? and how much do they cost?

Thanks

bermbuster
2008.04.27, 11:20 AM
Hi eztuner

Well, one learns something new everyday in this hobby. I did not even know they had this, except for real scale race cars :D. Is this tire durometer obtainable at local hobby stores? and where did you get yours? and how much do they cost?

Thanks

I looked into getting one a while back....since you are measuring in the degree scale you want a accurate durometer and they cost $$$
You need not only the tester but a fixture to hold the unit and tire to get truly repeatable measurements....your looking at about $500 and up for this....

eztuner12
2008.04.27, 03:39 PM
Hi
Cherub1m
The durometer I posses is from MAXMOD MINI SPORTS. Their ph # 818-359-7737. I think they don’t have a www. I purchased my, around 1988-1990, not sure, and pay between $180. to $225.
I posted a couple of pics of the device with a 1/5, 1/8 and 1/27(Mini-z AWD) scale tires, so you can appreciate the tool size.

Bermbuster. You really don’t need to buy more than a good quality and very precise calibrated durometer (I would recommend a manufacturer or supplier that will provide you with maintenance services an most important that will calibrate the tool for you eventually), no need for stand to hold the tires. With time and practice you will achieve a good experience and your measurement result will be very close to the reality, we consider an error margin of +/- 1 degree. The whole idea of a durometer other than knowing the tires hardiness, is the advantage of properly matching the tires as much as possible if not perfect.
I have a few of them, and use it to match my 1-scale racer (real race car) tires as well.
Cheers

CristianTabush
2008.04.27, 09:32 PM
Durometers are definitely important when comparing the same brand "compound" but the way they are rated varies from company to company. GPM and PN rates them way differently. A PN 6 is about the equivalent of a Kyosho 20 degree. And then of course you have Silicone based tires such as atomic which are way soft and offer no grip on RCP. I would say durometers are far more reliable when comparing foam tires. Not saying that they don't have value on Rubber though, the difference is rubber typically is rated in the degrees Celcius at which the particular tire will perform at its maximum . Foam, on the other hand is rated by the relative softness or hardness of the tire.

bermbuster
2008.04.28, 09:21 PM
Durometers are definitely important when comparing the same brand "compound" but the way they are rated varies from company to company. GPM and PN rates them way differently. A PN 6 is about the equivalent of a Kyosho 20 degree. And then of course you have Silicone based tires such as atomic which are way soft and offer no grip on RCP. I would say durometers are far more reliable when comparing foam tires. Not saying that they don't have value on Rubber though, the difference is rubber typically is rated in the degrees Celcius at which the particular tire will perform at its maximum . Foam, on the other hand is rated by the relative softness or hardness of the tire.

the idea is to use a durometer to measure a good tire on a good set up and then to match that tire's durometer on changes...so you have minimum impact to your set up....The real trick is to measure the tires in a consistant manner to get repeatable results....
In my real job the machines i install measure weight, thickness, hardness and diameter very accurately. I see a value in measuring durometers but so far the PN tires I use are giving me consistant results and to make an investment
of a few hundred dollars will not help me.

CristianTabush
2008.04.28, 11:24 PM
Yes, but with Mini-Z rubber tires, more so than the hardness, what is important is the actual rubber compound (what it is made of) and the tread on it. To top it off, the temperature at which the tire is operating (not track temp) is what the tire is rated at (with Kyosho tires at least) WIth PN, their rated "number" is not really measured. They started with 8 degree, based on GPM compounds and then added and subtracted numbers based on the relative hardness in contrast to the original 8 degree tires.

Again, not saying that it can't be a good reference number to rate them on a durometer, but the number is redundant in relationship to the grading scale of the tire. You can have 2 tires rated the same on a hardness scale, but one will out-perform the other one incredibly due to the nature of the compound. Durometers in Electric RC Racing are a FOAM, not a Rubber rating.

Aurora
2008.04.29, 01:21 AM
eztuner and Cristian,

I am new in this tires matching department, and am wondering--from experience, which brand of tires show more consistency for both RCP or carpet?

As for tool, so the durometer will measure the hardness of the material that made up the tires, but will the same or similar hardness of tires still shown different performance? Or durometer is as close as we can get for gauging tires performance(without the actual runs)?

Thank you in advance, this read has been very informative.

CristianTabush
2008.04.29, 01:43 AM
eztuner and Cristian,

I am new in this tires matching department, and am wondering--from experience, which brand of tires show more consistency for both RCP or carpet?

As for tool, so the durometer will measure the hardness of the material that made up the tires, but will the same or similar hardness of tires still shown different performance? Or durometer is as close as we can get for gauging tires performance(without the actual runs)?

Thank you in advance, this read has been very informative.

So far, what I can tell you is the best results for RCP tires I have dound to be:
Reflex SSGs or Kyosho MZW38 Radial for 2wd (PN 6 comes in close, but wears much quicker)
Kyosho 20 degree Semi-wide slicks for the AWD in the rear.
Atomic AW Groove 10 degree rear for carpet or 10 "slicks" (look like grooves) for both cars.

As for the front, it varies depending on the particular track. Anything from PN 8 degree front slick to Atomic AW groove 40 in the fronts have worked for both cars as well.

I wouldn't worry so much about the durometer rating, but rather keeping a couple of sets of different rears in your pit box as well as a plethora of fronts to try under different conditions. The Atomic, Kyosho and Reflex tires are VERY CONSISTENT batch to batch. PN tires have also come a VERY long way as far as manufacturing consistent batches of tires.

Aurora
2008.04.29, 04:15 AM
Cristian,

Thanks yet again for a very detail reply. And yes, for statistics sake, local carpet track where some competitive racers had driven (including Kyosho cup champ/12 hr endurance race) also recommends AW groove 10 for the AWD rear, and usually AW 20 competition slick for the front of AWD.

As for RCP, I and few other drivers had various results for the kyosho slick 20s, but the new MZW38 and MZW37 radial tires seem to yield better consistency than the kyosho slicks for AWD. And after reading your suggestions, I think I will give those KY semi-wide slick 20 for the AWD rear a try again.


One interesting thing I have observed from the Japanese track, though they welcome KY tires, but they specifically not allow MT tires or any silicone tire such as Atomic. Also, talking to few RCP track owners, some has claimed that silicone tires will 'hurt' the RCP. Anyone knows whether there is any reason behind these?

I look forward to order both versions of the Inzane car from Reflex racing, it has always been my wish to have a great custom 2wd chassis like such.

eztuner12
2008.04.29, 10:46 AM
Hello gentlemen’s
There is nothing scientific about the durometer, the use of this tool is only to “accurate” combine or match tires as close as they can. Lets take for example one new pack of the tires mentioned by Cristian, the Atomic AW groove 40 front. If you measure this set of tires (installed on rims) with the durometer the result compound hardness is actually near 80-degree. Thru rotating the durometer face I can calibrate it to achieve the 40-degree value marked on the tires case label. Now that my durometer is set ready to measure the tires specific hardiness compound degree, I proceed to measure the tires. At the time I measure one of the two selected, Atomic AW groove 40 front, the actually result is 42-degree, Now I measure the other tire and the result is 38-degree. So as you can see from the same package one tire is 42-degree and the other is 38-degre, there no way in this world that this two tires will provide you with the same extent of performs, so I have to open another pack of tires until I find a tire that will be closer to 42-degree or 38-degree, for example a 38-degree tire combined with a 39-degre will definitely provide you with a more accurate performance than using a combination of 42-degree and 38-degree as they originally came matched in their package. Not complicated right;)? But yes it could be a problem with cost to those that have a limited budget, with this “precise” matching procedure some tires will be discarded until you find a close match that fits your needs.
Hope this helps
Cheers.

Cherub1m
2008.04.29, 12:56 PM
I don't think I will get one. Nevertheless very informative guys.

Thanks

mk2kompressor
2008.04.29, 03:07 PM
And then of course you have Silicone based tires such as atomic which are way soft and offer no grip on RCP.

we are the opposite over here,the 10deg aw's are all we can use for grip,if you ever come to the uk ill be glad to show you:p

CristianTabush
2008.04.29, 03:41 PM
Perhaps you haven't tried SSG's ;)

I've tried the 10's in 3 different continents with no success. Of course, never been to the UK, you guys have some pretty gnarly weather conditions :)

eztuner12
2008.04.29, 04:08 PM
I don't think I will get one. Nevertheless very informative guys.

Thanks

As Cristian said ” wouldn't worry so much about the durometer rating”
I made the comment as an information, other than a suggestion. It happened I have these instruments around.
I read in Aurora comments, that there are “new MDW38 and MDW37” from Kyosho, so it seems Kyosho is considering a more precise grading of their tires.
Cheers
P.S. I guess we should go back to the original topic here"All New Pro27AAA"

ruf
2008.04.29, 11:28 PM
It's "MZW" not "MDW".

The 37 and 38 are just part numbers. MZW37 is a narrow front tire and MZW38 is a wide rear tire, both in the new Kyosho radial pattern.

Programmers
2008.04.30, 12:36 AM
we are the opposite over here,the 10deg aw's are all we can use for grip,if you ever come to the uk ill be glad to show you:p
I second this. At our club atomic also seems to by the tire brand of choice. 10's and 20 A.W grooves seem to work quite well after a few laps. However, I think one of our members uses the PN RCP tires and say's they're good.

As previously mentioned, Kyosho 20's are very good too but a darn site harder to get hold of than atomics for us UK folk. :(

Aurora
2008.04.30, 01:49 AM
Mk2kompressor and Programmers,

As asked earlier, did you guys witness any adverse effect on using Atomic or silicone based tires on RCP?

Also, I heard the rumor once that if a RCP track initialize and keep on using the same brand of tires, that brand of tires will have more grip on that track since all the tire powder saturated the mats. I myself have seen similar effect where a mixed-tire-brand(or mostly Atomic) RCP do seem to offer more grip for atomic tires, than a 90% Kyosho-tires track; given just roughly the same wear and use on each track.

Programmers
2008.04.30, 03:31 AM
I guess the biggest problem with silicone on RCP I've found at the moment is the tires need a few runs before they hit their peak performance. I would say about 3/4 minutes of solid driving at minimum from out of the packet. Some sets take more and some less but that's always going to be the case with tires.

mk2kompressor
2008.04.30, 04:15 AM
we used to run gpm on toms club track(untill they started not being consistent),atomic 10's and 20's must've been run for a good 4-5 months on there now.
we run atomic on my new track at our club with no adverse affects so far other than the wear rate and like tom said they need a few laps to get them in the groove.
ive tried the pn 8's with no luck on 2wd,just cant get them to hook up at all:(
4wd they work but not as good as the atomic 20's i run usually
i think any amount of tyre use,rubber or silicone,will bring grip up on rcp in a similar way to carpet(ie.crc)

eztuner12
2008.04.30, 08:42 AM
It's "MZW" not "MDW".

The 37 and 38 are just part numbers. MZW37 is a narrow front tire and MZW38 is a wide rear tire, both in the new Kyosho radial pattern.
Hello ruf,
Thx 4 da data!!!:)
Any news up-date regarding the Pro-27AAA, any new changes after the West coast challange, or getting ready for production line???????
Cheers

wcrotty
2008.04.30, 08:53 AM
What Cristian said is right on the money. The rubber in the tires is the most important part of the tire. You can make a very soft silicon tire that just doesn't stick at all. But this being said i do use my durometer to test out the softness of tires that are the same. So when i get a batch of tires i will match the hardness of each because there are very small differences. The Old GPMs had more quality issues then the newer PNs and kyoshos. I need to break in my Reflex SSGs for testing again.

For fronts having a bunch of different ones for different track conditions is the key. At RCX i went through SO many different combinations during testing and racing.

minittrackmann
2008.05.18, 06:47 PM
How does this chassis compare to the TGR Sinister? What are some pros and cons of both chassis?

Cody

pchan0
2008.05.27, 01:47 PM
Big thanks to Joe at Reflex Racing for hooking me up with an P28. I will be running the P28 at PN Worlds and local events.

Quality and fitment is on par with some of top RC companies!!

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/CIMG2169.jpg

eztuner12
2008.05.28, 04:46 PM
Hi pchan0
Good luck at the race!
Is this the chassis set-up you get when you buy it , less motor and batty?
Let us know your feedback regarding the chassis performance vs. MR-02
Cheers

ruf
2008.05.28, 05:35 PM
This will be the setup you get + kingpins (F1 length) + steering links. We are bundling in the Kyosho oil shock for the US market.

hrdrvr
2008.05.29, 01:55 PM
I got to see one of these P28s in person at the Diablo Run in Charlotte. It was Cristians car. Sadly enough, I didnt get to see it in action, but it is a very nice looking design and set up in person. I cant wait to see some pan car chassis' run at the PN events :D

pedrocamp
2008.05.29, 02:01 PM
You should get one hrdvr so we can arrange the Southern Pan Car Challenge! Mr. Morse is getting one, I'll have to steal the keys.

F_Zero
2008.05.30, 01:06 PM
I suggesst that if anyone is wanting to build a Custom CF Chassis, you can try contacting Bryan over at Penguin R/C. He manufacters alloy standoffs that are threaded in different lengths. I haven't asked around, but he might have sizes for Mini-Z applications. This will help you all out, because you won't be needing those pesky srews and nuts.

ruf
2008.05.30, 03:35 PM
F_Zero - I'm confused. Which pesky screws and nuts are you talking about?

color01
2008.05.30, 06:06 PM
FZero, the P28 is already all set when it comes to standoffs. Very clean too, I don't know if they're molded or machined but they look like good-quality stuff. It's actually my car that could use the standoffs, but I have Exotek taking care of those for me. ;)

Peter- purple nuts? :D

F_Zero
2008.05.31, 12:20 PM
F_Zero - I'm confused. Which pesky screws and nuts are you talking about?

The ones on the older versions. The P27AAA and Greyscale both had the problem.

pchan0
2008.06.25, 05:32 PM
Excuse the messy wiring, I might change it with a Mini-Z 2.4Ghz board soon.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/CIMG2171.jpg

Flashsp-2
2008.06.26, 07:19 AM
Excuse the messy wiring......

Riiiiiiiight. If that's messy, I can't imagine what clean looks like. Looks great Peter (especially all the purple), can't wait to hear what your driving impressions are. Why no foams? Are you going to have this set-up specifically for Pan class?

eztuner12
2008.06.26, 01:20 PM
Excuse the messy wiring, I might change it with a Mini-Z 2.4Ghz board soon.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/CIMG2171.jpg
Hey man.
It REALLY looks great!!!!
To me it is a very clean and efficient wiring, great job! The electronics are of an excellent size and well located. Can you please tell us the brand and model for the ESC and Receiver??? Specially the receiver specs, I am desperately seeking for a nice micro FM receiver that would perform with my Ko Propo Helios Tx FM 27 MHz or 75MHz module.

It is good to know that the Pro28AAA still breathing and ongoing. I thought the project was abandon.
Yes your joy drive impression would be appreciated, since there is no one else out there doing R&D for this fine chassis. I read on Reflex web, that it was to be released by May to June. But nothing had happened. Is this chassis really going to be available to buy??
Thx
Cheers

color01
2008.06.26, 03:52 PM
Damn Peter, that looks great; the wiring won't get any cleaner though with the ASF board though as there are 5 servo wires. :(

East Coast PN Regional?

ruf
2008.06.26, 06:46 PM
Yes, the chassis will be available for purchase. Unfortunately, we will have to postpone shipping until July. European demand is high, and we are next batch on the production list! :D

Felix2010
2008.06.26, 08:54 PM
Peter's cars = Perfection.
Always love seeing pics of your cars Peter. Very nice job. :D

eztuner12
2008.07.11, 02:23 PM
Hello pchan0
Any news on your ongoing set-up and testing of the Pro28AAA????
BTW, how would you fit the 2.4GHz unit to this chassis, do you have sufficient space on the upper battery fasteners? Or you are planning to reposition the damper and fabricate a single upper deck, to accomplish the 2.4GHz swap?
Thx,
Cheers

pchan0
2008.07.19, 03:37 PM
Kyosho 2.4Ghz board fits really good on the P28, I'm liking the wiring alot. First shake down next week as I still have to paint a Rony pan body. BTW, wide track front end standard on P28.:cool:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/CIMG2190.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/CIMG2192.jpg

eztuner12
2008.07.19, 04:25 PM
Super pchn0,
It looks to me much better than with reg-hobby-electronics at list it give the impression of being cleaner, lighter and lower CG. Oh Yeah!!!
Pchn0 is that on top of the left side batty, is that extra weight to compensate the 2.4GHz unit?
Man it seems you are ready to rock & roll, let us know your feedback right after your joy ride. You guys whom actually are driving and testing these new pan chassis, as this Pro 27AAA and. MR-CG are very lucky, while we are stuck with these plastic toys.:o
Is there a good reason why the TGR Sinister is not appreciated, or is just my feelings, but the chassis is available to buy, it looks nice and it is in continuing quest for new development in order to improve its performance, plus part are available as well. Is there something wrong with it? I see price is reasonable too!
Any comment would certainly be appreciated.
Thx.
Cheers Pchn0, enjoy your ride!!!:):):D

GODZ1LL4
2008.07.20, 09:12 PM
is that extra weight to compensate the 2.4GHz unit?

Is it really some lead to compensate ? you seems to be a perfectionist ? :rolleyes:


Is there a good reason why the TGR Sinister is not appreciated, or is just my feelings, but the chassis is available to buy, it looks nice and it is in continuing quest for new development in order to improve its performance, plus part are available as well. Is there something wrong with it? I see price is reasonable too!


I've a TGR sinister, despite my tests , it's still not over my MR02 in performance .... :mad:

New parts from TGR are not effective ... To my mind there is no comparaison with pro27 and his innovative front wide end :eek:

eztuner12
2008.07.21, 10:29 PM
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/CIMG2190.jpg
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Hey Pchon0,
I guess that on top of the left batty fastener, were it appear you have positioned a lead weight, could be as well a good location to consign a V2.2 Regulated Power Board from Rob/AtomicM. It looks like it would fit A-OK, plus add the needed weight for better distribution.:eek:
BTW, does any body know how the 2.4GHz Unit would perform with a V2.2 Power board???:confused:
Cheers

supafastsupra2
2008.07.21, 11:02 PM
the atomic mods board really isn't worth it. a simple fet stack will do, and besides the 2.4 unit is already a 2x2 (single layer on each side) of 3010 FETs
Danny

cowboysir
2008.07.22, 12:32 AM
Is there anyone who actually uses the V2.2 anymore? Back in my xmod days i had to return it twice due to overheating the fets off the traces.

Not something that really should happen when you're only using 4.8 volts and a hottish Tamiya motor.

I think these days replacing the top layer with some 8858's would make it a solid performer with most mod motors...at least from reading some threads on the topic(I'm certainly not that skilled yet).;)

btw, nice looking ride, peter...

supafastsupra2
2008.07.22, 02:18 AM
Is there anyone who actually uses the V2.2 anymore? Back in my xmod days i had to return it twice due to overheating the fets off the traces.

Not something that really should happen when you're only using 4.8 volts and a hottish Tamiya motor.

I think these days replacing the top layer with some 8858's would make it a solid performer with most mod motors...at least from reading some threads on the topic(I'm certainly not that skilled yet).;)

btw, nice looking ride, peter...

i know a guy who ran one in an enzo mini-z with a z2 motor... needless to say the board was a piece. :mad:

eztuner12
2008.07.22, 10:36 AM
I have to disagree with you guy's. It happens I have a couple of V2.2 power boards that I bought for my first Xmods, which later swap it to my 2nd MA-010. My first MA-010, I bought from Rob/Atomic, was ordered with 2X3 4562. So I have had the experience with the V2,2 board and 2x3 4562. My overall impression is that the V2.2 is better than stack FET’s. With stacked FET’s I had to add a 5.5v super capacitor to regulate voltage and the steering jigged like crazy. The only problem I had with the V2.2 was the size. I have experimented with the V2 and V3 Spider from ausmicro.com and to my impression it is better than the Stacked 4562 and v2,2 Power board. The size of the Spider is perfect and the new v4 is much smaller.
By the way the fact that the 2.4G come with 4x4 3010 do not mean you have to live with it. To increase the performance of any e-board is a personal option and preferences, and I am one of those that love to go fassst, fortunately I posses the experience and driving skills to take good advantage from the added power.;)
But anyways this was just a comment; lets not go over the original theme of this thread.
Cheers

supafastsupra2
2008.07.22, 10:29 PM
i never said the spider/woah nelly h bridges were bad, however the manner in which the atomic board functions it limits the power output into an extremely curved throttle response, it was basically unusable for any race setting. the ones made by ph2t, however are top notch h-bridge external circuits and arent too expensive from what i remember. also the 2.4 gig and ad bands cars have 4 fets, so you can lay out a 2x2 stack of 4562's or w/e your preference with higher efficiency than on the am board, which requires stacking fets onto each other. anyways, onward with the pro27! :)

eztuner12
2008.08.06, 04:23 PM
I've a TGR sinister, despite my tests , it's still not over my MR02 in performance .... :mad:

New parts from TGR are not effective ... To my mind there is no comparaison with pro27 and his innovative front wide end :eek:

GODZ1LL4
Thx for the info regarding the TGR,

Ruf thax for the GiroZ info, BTW any news on the 27ProAAA?

Off topic; GODZ1LL4, so you are from Lyon! Love the Lyonnais cuisine, I am a regular at the La Mere Brazier at Rue Royale any time I visit your great Country. Last time I was there Jacotte Brazier wasn't any more the owner and food was not the same.
Cheers

InZane
2008.08.06, 06:30 PM
BTW any news on the 27ProAAA?


Hello Pan Car Freaks!

First production P28 batch for USA will be ready next week. We are prepared to deliver 100+ chassis for the American market this year.
Chassis production has been delayed because ProRox (CNC firm) unfortunately are heavily involved in full scale Porsche Racing during the Swedish (very short) summers.
I’m sure both TGR and Grayscale will have competitive pan cars as well.
We are looking forward to an extremely interesting season!

mleemor60
2008.08.06, 07:34 PM
extremely glad to hear that. Mine has been pre-ordered through Reflex since the day they put it up. I'm sure it will be worth the wait.

ruf
2008.08.11, 01:12 PM
Well after a long wait, the P28 will finally hit US shores at the end of this month! Thanks for being patient with us, especially those that have stuck with us through the pre-orders. You won't be disappointed. This is the best Swedish export since their bikini team... :D

GODZ1LL4
2008.08.11, 03:15 PM
I'm very interested in the pro27 ... It's a competitive chassis with many innovation (front end ...etc) , I hope it will be a success and could permit the 1/28th scale to fully enter in rc competition in people minds ...


I am a regular at the La Mere Brazier at Rue Royale any time I visit your great Country.

You seems to love my country more than me ... :o
I'm often in china (or HK) for my import/export business ... and I hope moving to china in the future ... ;)
http://g0dz1ll4.online.fr/miniz/PA/brazier.jpg Happy to know that some people still love our old country ...

ruf
2008.08.11, 05:04 PM
Happy to know that some people still love our old country ...Just your women... ;) I had a great time in Nice.

GODZ1LL4
2008.08.12, 12:51 PM
Just your women... ;) I had a great time in Nice.

Lol ... Nice is reseved during summer for tourists ... nobody there is french ... :D

I send you a french woman and you send me a wtf + pro27 ? :rolleyes:

ruf
2008.08.12, 03:29 PM
You're right. She was Dutch... :) No WTF + Pro28 for you! :p

chabou
2009.09.14, 09:26 AM
Hi, at all, just a question:

What is the diameter of wires used to solder the AAA battery between them because I think they are bigger than those used with the engine on most P28 i've seen on the forum.

Thanks for your answer.

Christian from FRANCE.(excuse my bad english)

tudor_47
2009.09.14, 03:23 PM
Hi, at all, just a question:

What is the diameter of wires used to solder the AAA battery between them because I think they are bigger than those used with the engine on most P28 i've seen on the forum.

Thanks for your answer.

Christian from FRANCE.(excuse my bad english)

Hi!

I use 1,5 squaremm inbetween the batterypacks and I think ,75squaremm between the cells in each pack.

I would get a very soft cable for the long one between the 2 halfes of the cell. Preferably a soft silicon insulated wire.

France? out of curiosity how many P28 are there in France? what type of surface do you race on?

Good luck
/Johnny, www.MiniZata.com

tudor_47
2009.09.28, 04:05 AM
Hi all!

Our production of the P28 is now started and we expect the first chassies to arrive within a few weeks.

The P28 now has a new home on the internet www.lajf.se
at this site it is possible to buy P28 and spare parts for it.
There will be a downloadable manual for it.
We will also supply P28 help.

Thanks!
/Johnny Lajf Racing, www.lajf.se,

color01
2009.09.28, 04:24 AM
Are you using a Kyosho oil damper as a side damper now? Looks good.

tudor_47
2009.09.28, 04:26 AM
Thanks Brian,

yes it is the Kyosho damper we use.

And yes there will be pages in english available soon.

tudor_47
2009.11.22, 03:44 PM
hi
Lajf Racing, Lajf.se (http://lajf.se)home page of the P28 is now available in english too.

tlsotf
2009.11.22, 05:00 PM
hi
Lajf Racing, Lajf.se (http://lajf.se)home page of the P28 is now available in english too.

I do not see any items for sale. Only the Manual for download. I would like to know what optional parts are available.

Thanks

tudor_47
2009.11.24, 04:25 PM
I do not see any items for sale. Only the Manual for download. I would like to know what optional parts are available.

Thanks

HI
optional parts are coming online as soon as possible...
The shop is slowly beeing filled with parts, right now there are foam and kingpins and more are coming online....

tlsotf
2009.11.24, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the reply. I will keep tabs on the site.

tudor_47
2010.07.06, 03:04 PM
Lajf Racing is now up in full business, with chassies in stock and ready for emediate delivery.
We har launched a new shop solution.

Drop by and get your P28.
Lajf.se (http://lajf.se)

wildthing
2010.07.07, 06:38 PM
Tudor, YGPM re: P28 sales inquiry

tudor_47
2010.09.03, 06:52 AM
Lajf Racing now offers a short time 10% discount on all items in our shop.
Take this oppurtunity to become owner of the fastest 1:27 race car available to the market

The offer will be in effect until the 15'th of September

Enter the code "discount" at checkout

www.lajf.se

tudor_47
2010.12.06, 06:30 AM
More cool stuff in our shop,
even more foams for your P28 (and other 1:28 scale racers)

tudor_47
2010.12.22, 05:27 PM
New exciting stuff coming, this (http://lajf.se/en/produktnytt/anvand-din-kyosho-elektronik-i-din-p28/)will make life alot easier for thoose of you upgrading to a P28, keep your Kyoshos electronics..

tudor_47
2011.11.15, 03:14 PM
Big sale at Lajf Racing, super price on new P28 (http://lajf.se/en/uncategorized/30-pa-en-ny-p28/)..

tudor_47
2012.03.12, 03:43 AM
Our P28V2 is getting better and better, final testing is showing good results.
with the new servo saver there is more stability in the front end.

soon

tudor_47
2012.06.29, 01:56 AM
The new P28V2 is now in production, it is alot of new parts in the chassie and it has been tested over a long period of time. During the testing it has proven itself as a very reliable racecar.http://lajf.se/en/produktnytt/p28v2-i-produktion/

tudor_47
2012.08.21, 06:26 AM
HI
Our P28V2 manual is now available for download at our webpage Downloads (http://lajf.se/download/)

Stay tuned for even more news....

tudor_47
2012.09.12, 04:55 PM
Our all new P28V2 (http://lajf.se/en/uncategorized/p28v2-i-shoppen/) is available in our shop (http://lajf.se/zcshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_4&products_id=51)now.

tudor_47
2013.02.05, 08:16 AM
A new shop is released.

Rune
2013.02.05, 02:24 PM
Looks great Johnny!:)

tudor_47
2013.02.06, 01:16 AM
Looks great Johnny!:)

THanks Rune, yes it came out good and with the new car coming.........

Our new shop canbe found at : www.lajf.se/pshop

skyler
2014.01.30, 04:55 PM
Hi Johnny, I just received my P28 v2 and i am amazed. I already had an Inzane P28 but am very suprized at how you were able to make so many improvements. The new servo saver and electronic mounts are pure genius! I hope you continue to refine this great car. Have you thought about making a prototype with a PN Racing motor mount and double a-arm suspension? Anyway, keep up the good work.

tudor_47
2014.01.31, 01:25 AM
Hi Johnny, I just received my P28 v2 and i am amazed. I already had an Inzane P28 but am very suprized at how you were able to make so many improvements. The new servo saver and electronic mounts are pure genius! I hope you continue to refine this great car. Have you thought about making a prototype with a PN Racing motor mount and double a-arm suspension? Anyway, keep up the good work.

Thanks! Skyler..
Yes the mounts and the servo saver really makes a huge difference to the chassis. In our newest car the P28GT, reviewed (http://www.mini-znorway.com/2014/01/breaking-news-p28gt.html) by Rune has completly different rearend and front end.

tudor_47
2014.11.18, 06:49 AM
The P28GT manual is now available for download at Lajf Racing web (http://lajf.se/filarkiv/GT_manual_C.pdf)

tudor_47
2016.02.14, 03:01 AM
Been a whikle since last update...

Lajf Racing is doing well our new chassis are moving on to LiPo power.
We are also on f******k look for Lajf Racing.
Prototype pictures on f******k.