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arch2b
2007.12.31, 11:04 PM
MR-015/MR-02
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1247/medium/No_82002.jpg
従来のミニッツレーサーオーナーのご要望にお応えする、2.4GHzへのコンバージョンセット 。
2.4GHzミニッツレーサーに簡単コンバートして新時代の走りを今すぐ体感しよう!

MR -015、MR-02シャシーのミニッツレーサーが2.4GHz仕様に変身。クリスタル不要で最大40台の同時走行が可能と なり、スイッチを入れるだけですぐに走行にうつれます。送信機のスイッチを入れた時から自動的に空いている バンドを選択するので、バンド待ちやバンド確認も不要です。セットには仕様変更に必要なパーツすべてを付属 していますので、別購入等の面倒なく、2.4GHzプロポの抜群の使い勝手をお楽しみいただけ ます。

MA-010
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1247/medium/No_82003.jpg
従来のミニッツレーサーオーナーのご要望にお応えする、2.4GHzへのコンバージョンセット 。
2.4GHzミニッツレーサーに簡単コンバートして新時代の走りを今すぐ体感しよう!

ミニッツAWD MA-010シャシーが2.4GHz仕様に変身。クリスタル不要で最大40台の同時走行が可能となり、スイッチを 入れるだけですぐに走行にうつれます。送信機のスイッチを入れた時から自動的に空いているバンドを選択する ので、バンド待ちやバンド確認も不要です。セットには仕様変更に必要なパーツすべてを付属していますので、 別購入等の面倒なく、2.4GHzプロポの抜群の使い勝手をお楽しみいただけます。

color01
2008.01.01, 05:58 PM
The board is shorter than the standard Z board! I want it!

Arch, are these already out in Japan!

Spoon
2008.01.01, 06:08 PM
The board is shorter than the standard Z board! I want it!

Arch, are these already out in Japan!

Kyosho Japan website says January 2008.

ruf
2008.01.01, 06:25 PM
I'm pretty sure that they're aren't out yet in Japan. I'll ask Tim for updates on a US arrival. :D

arch2b
2008.01.01, 06:40 PM
I'm pretty sure that they're aren't out yet in Japan. I'll ask Tim for updates on a US arrival. :D
that question has already been asked and tim originally stated it would be a year +/- before they would be available. i don't know if the recent info changes anything but a good point to bring up none the less. if they do get here by feb. i only have to buy one arr. i'd rather do that and pick up the conversion kits as needed although arr's would allow me to have used chassis sets to sell/trade/use vs. just having spare boards in my box.... hmm... choices to make :confused:

byebye
2008.01.01, 07:16 PM
I bet you'll see them on ebay in the next couple months. They'll get snagged up then we won't see them for another 6.

You figure you've already put lots of dough in to a track car. It only makes sense to go this route versus purchasing a rtr. I do however believe the RTR's are going to rock!!! K's pricing shows the rx and tx being the same amount 8400jpy.

Kris

ruf
2008.01.01, 07:20 PM
That's why we're breaking some of the ARR's down and selling the boards separate along with building up some regular MM/RM ARR's. We've already taken pre-orders on them. There's going to be way too much demand for these little guys...

byebye
2008.01.02, 01:11 AM
That's why we're breaking some of the ARR's down and selling the boards separate along with building up some regular MM/RM ARR's. We've already taken pre-orders on them. There's going to be way too much demand for these little guys...

I'd like to just get my hands on a chassis, no body, no radio. I'll be picking up the DSM module.

I was reading up on the K website and it says %30 more power. Does this mean it's a single stack of 3010's?

Kris

ruf
2008.01.02, 02:26 AM
We have the ARR's in the standard MM/RM configuration available for pre-order with no body and no radio for that exact reason. Not everyone wants the LM bodies, and a lot of us run modules.

As for the 30%, that's what we've been trying to figure out. There's no way to tell what kind of FETs they have from these shots, much less if there are components on the bottom side of the board. The point of reference could be single stack of 3004 or 3010 FETs. I doubt that they are referencing the double stack of 3010's from the AD board.

byebye
2008.01.02, 02:50 AM
What does double the capacity mean? Does that mean 2x2? It only advertised 30% power increase. I'm trying to find it again.

Kris

ruf
2008.01.02, 02:54 AM
Ah the beauty of spec sheet racing... :D So confusing, especially after translation and without product in hand.

byebye
2008.01.02, 02:59 AM
On the exploded view of the manual you can see the stock motor has no caps. Not sure if the past manuals showed the caps.

Searching Google now for MZ303.

Kris

arch2b
2008.01.02, 05:01 PM
I'm pretty sure that they're aren't out yet in Japan. I'll ask Tim for updates on a US arrival. :D
i'm willing to bet the jpn market will get them weeks or more, easily, before we do. in that time, i am certain many people will order them thru asian markets/ebay. it's the same pattern with new autoscales. if you go in with a group to offset the shipping cost i'd say it's worth the effort.

ruf
2008.01.02, 05:24 PM
Yup, I've got shoppers in Japan and Hong Kong to get us grey market first samples. The rumors are that the KO system will be lagging way behind though...

arch2b
2008.01.02, 05:55 PM
you've got to feel a bit for domestic retailers as they are almost always taking a couple weeks to a month hit on all the new kyosho stuff.

ruf
2008.01.02, 07:01 PM
Ha! That's if we're lucky! At least now with Kyosho America the lag time is shorter. I used to have the latest and greatest imported 3 months before Great Planes did.

HaCo
2008.01.03, 03:34 AM
What I would like to know is how many FETs are on the board, cause it is very important for the rules...

If someone knows for sure, please post!!!! :)

arch2b
2008.01.03, 09:28 AM
odd thing.... notice we don't see a set for the f1, monster and or overland? why are these being overlooked?

Spoon
2008.01.03, 09:42 AM
Good point.

My initial guess would be expected sales volume. I didn't even think about the F1 conversion. OL and Monster...meh...but the F1 would be sweet. I am sure you could just use the AWD or MR02 one. You might have to lengthen the servo wires though.

I am sure someone will do it.

arch2b
2008.01.03, 09:52 AM
i know i will depending on the fet arrangement (f1). not to concerned about the overland/monster either but i'm sure those will come in time. f1 fans are die hard though so i expect to see more demands for an f1 kit.

i'm even thinking about getting a set for my micro-t and pro-z.

CedMan
2008.01.03, 11:25 AM
This is great, I almost jump off the roof when I saw the AWD "upgrade" kit. Now only if I see the KO module and the 3PKS conversion ... :D

pchan0
2008.01.03, 01:03 PM
This is great, I almost jump off the roof when I saw the AWD "upgrade" kit. Now only if I see the KO module and the 3PKS conversion ... :D

Pre-order yours yet from Japan? ;)

pchan0
2008.01.03, 01:11 PM
Anybody noticed the wiring for the MR-02/15 and MA-01 seems to be different?

ruf
2008.01.03, 01:29 PM
Prototype pictures. The wiring order is the same, but they swapped the green and orange wires. I've actually seen it happen on production cars too. Can be very confusing to those doing a servo swap.

gcmartinez
2008.01.03, 02:13 PM
Hi, in this link forum there is a link which 2,4ghz pre-orders


-----) http://www.valenciaminiz.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=985&start=15&sid=4263bf9856cb5f375499f0186c7ccda4

ruf
2008.01.03, 06:14 PM
What I would like to know is how many FETs are on the board, cause it is very important for the rules...

If someone knows for sure, please post!!!! :)I just found out that the board will have 2x2 3010 FETs.

Also we are working with the major manufacturer's cup races on rules modifications that will eventually trickle down to the club level.

rharris
2008.01.03, 06:35 PM
I just found out that the board will have 2x2 3010 FETs.


Awsome! Is that the same layout as the 2x2 3010 on the AD? Two fets on each side of the board?

ruf
2008.01.03, 06:51 PM
That would be my assumption since only 2 FETs are visible on the top side of the board.

arch2b
2008.01.03, 07:42 PM
CRAP. now we have the whole push to make fets nonrelevant to racing rules :rolleyes: that's a movement that started with the first fet upgrades on mr-01's ages ago and still has not caught on. :(

ruf, thank you for taking on the enormous task of tackling major manufacturer racing etc. others have been dong so but maybe this is just the push we need to get over the hump so to speak.

rharris
2008.01.03, 08:38 PM
That would be my assumption since only 2 FETs are visible on the top side of the board.

Yea, pics are kinda fuzzy, but that seems like the best way to manufacture a board.

When you put an atomic stock, AD Stock, or PN Speedy-07 on a stock AD board, it's plenty fast.

Just imagine a stock class using Orion cells and a 2.4 2x2 3010 fet car.

ruf
2008.01.03, 09:25 PM
Keep in mind that the Atomic Stock motor is one of the fastest Mini-Z motors PERIOD. It is something of a secret weapon in Mod class.

Part of the new rules would be to redefine a "stock" motor by the number of winds (just like any other class in electric R/C racing...) to make them coincide more with traditional "stock" speeds.

color01
2008.01.03, 10:39 PM
That should've happened a long time ago. 1/10 TC's have 27t stock, 19t (challenger is what they're called?), modified and BL modified. Since we have a much larger range of turns we'd be looking at 60-80t, 40-59t, and Modified classes -- or something along those lines.

Imagine BL modified in Mini-Z? :)

herman
2008.01.04, 04:27 AM
anybody notice three wires now soldered onto the pot??? sure hope this helps solve some problems concerning steering not coming to center... can anybody explain any advantage of this over the older way - i.e. 3 wires vs 2 wires soldered to the pot...

thanks for any replies...

color01
2008.01.05, 02:45 PM
I don't have the detailed explanation, but I *think* that having 3 wires on the pot means two readings for the board to work with (the stock Z board only has one), therefore the steering can use the same algorithm to center or steer from/to either side, therefore the car steers and centers evenly L/R. Right now the Z boards with two pot wires measure an increased resistance in one direction and decreased in another. Center would be defined as the pot having a pot resistance within some small range. With three pot wires, you could define center as the pot having a resistance within that range, PLUS the two resistance readings must be the same.

To me, the analogy is like lifting and moving weights with two arms vs. one. Which way will be better for centering and control? Two arms, no doubt. A practical example would be the Micro-T boards; though the steering resolution isn't quite as fine as the Z board, it does center better and the steering and return are equally fast in both directions.

I look forward to seeing this characteristic in the new ASF boards. :)

herman
2008.01.07, 12:54 AM
thanks for the reply... :D

pchan0
2008.01.11, 05:17 PM
Closer look to the board...:)

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/pchan0/20080111204013.jpg

Source (http://rajitensanda.blog73.fc2.com/)

arch2b
2008.01.11, 07:15 PM
any pics of the bottom of the board?

Tim Johnson
2008.01.12, 10:00 PM
any pics of the bottom of the board?

I have pics to share with everyone, but I have been so busy....I will try to get some up for you guys monday or tuesday....... :)

Draconious
2008.01.12, 11:15 PM
:) That a broken motor wire on the DEMO board?
Kyosho REALLY needs to make a little bead of epoxy or something standard on all wire solder joints, from the hard metal right up over the insolation sleave, it would almost never break if this was done... and less chance to short.

stitchy
2008.01.14, 02:10 AM
Anybody know if any of the 2.4 stuff is out in Japan yet?

myscoobysti
2008.01.14, 04:54 AM
Anybody know if any of the 2.4 stuff is out in Japan yet?
It'll be out on the 1st of February in Japan. ;)

arch2b
2008.01.14, 09:26 AM
It'll be out on the 1st of February in Japan. ;)
wow, so domestic release is about a month behind :eek: i forsee lots of sales going to ebay and asian shops vs. pre-orders here and waiting 3-4 weeks extra. sucks to be a u.s. hobby shop for this product launch.

simpleskin
2008.01.19, 04:35 PM
Hobby Japan says 2 to 3 weeks. Email below...

Item will be available in 2-3 weeks and we will have it listed at ebay
when available.

Best regards,

Hobby_Japan
E-mail: hobby@abox2.so-net.ne.jp
Ebay Store: http://stores.*******om/hobbyjapan


On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:35:54 -0700
"eBay Member: simpleskin" <member@*******om> wrote:

Dear hobby_japan,

Hello, any information on when the Kyohso MR-02LM 2.4 Ghz ASF
Mini-Z's
will be available?

Thanks

-simpleskin

Tim Johnson
2008.01.19, 06:01 PM
why would you purchase from Japan, when it will cost you more to get it to the states?

Why not order from a LHS, or a USA web site?

arch2b
2008.01.19, 06:29 PM
why would you purchase from Japan, when it will cost you more to get it to the states?

Why not order from a LHS, or a USA web site?

very simple answer. time. people are very willing to pay a little extra to get the latest and greatest asap, that means asian shops/ebay. it's always always been that way and always will be unless global release is done which i imagine it an enormous task.
before kyo usa, most did this anyway due to the previous distribution network.

wcrotty
2008.01.19, 08:09 PM
I will be ordering from my LHS.......i don't mind waiting.

arch2b
2008.01.19, 08:49 PM
i'm not saying everyone will, just that domestic shops are at an immediate disadvantage with this new product as it's available earlier overseas. it's not like movies or game systems where they are region specific built in, these can be run where ever so point of purchase means less.

simpleskin
2008.01.20, 10:43 AM
I order from whichever shop has what I need/want in stock in this order of priority.

1. This shop, shop.tinyrc.com
2. Kenon RC
3. Hobby Japan
4. Atomic Mods

Bottome line is that Kyosho gets my money. I prefer US shops but sometimes I just don't want to wait. In this case I'll get one ASF from overseas because I simply can't wait for two reasons, 1. Porsche 962 bodies. 2. New Technology. I'm sure I'll end up spending plenty of money on ASF related kits/parts/bodies from domestic shops.

-j

Alpro
2008.02.11, 03:19 PM
hello, im just new to this forum, till now have just been reading, but today i can share my experiance, because i so to say got a conversion kit :P actually i ordered a car with transmitter and swapped the board!

trimming is quite fun, after you trim to full throttle you get the feeling of X-Speed even with pinion6T. later tried 7T to get better acceleration and handling rather than with original electronics!

responses are much faster and turns are smoother in a sense of beeing more accurate!

the downside(or maybe just takes time to get used) is the transmitter!!, its so light and the steering wheel is too easy to turn!

(Y)

MikeL
2008.03.13, 11:16 AM
I see what looks like an official conv kit on flea-bay, any word on when these are going to arrive in the US and pricing? For the price they want, I'd rather get a car/transmitter combo.

pinoyboy
2008.03.13, 11:27 AM
I see what looks like an official conv kit on flea-bay, any word on when these are going to arrive in the US and pricing? For the price they want, I'd rather get a car/transmitter combo.

Yea, thats not the best deal. Theres a ready set that comes with chassis, porsche body, and KT-18 for $200 shipped. Thats only $20 more than what they're selling the conversion. Sell the body and parts you don't need, and you'd could get back at least $40

Tim Johnson
2008.03.13, 11:28 AM
I see what looks like an official conv kit on flea-bay, any word on when these are going to arrive in the US and pricing? For the price they want, I'd rather get a car/transmitter combo.

Check out What is new, and look under March. (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27012)

Street price will be around $220.00 for the Conversion kits.

arch2b
2008.03.13, 12:41 PM
i saw the mr-02/105 pcb kit sold seperately in jpn, not this conversion kit, for about $95 i think it was. are the boards also sold this way, ie; minus the tx here stateside?

MikeL
2008.03.13, 02:33 PM
Check out What is new, and look under March. (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27012)

Street price will be around $220.00 for the Conversion kits.

Gotta love Kyosho's skewed pricing on these things, I can get a car/transmitter combo for $10 more at the LHS. I think $150 would be a price that people would consider.

Nic-Z
2008.03.13, 05:24 PM
Check out What is new, and look under March. (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27012)

Street price will be around $220.00 for the Conversion kits.


I guess I don't understand why someone would wait, buy the conversion kit, and pay 20 dollars more for it when they can get the RTR now for 200 bones. Its just befuddlin' me.

arch2b
2008.03.13, 05:33 PM
i think a more realistic price tage would end up being about $170+/-

Nic-Z
2008.03.13, 06:09 PM
:rolleyes:well for 30 more you have an ASC and TX and rolling chassis I dunno I'm just saying for a creative person the logic is in the RTR. Unless you don't want to part out what you need and cut a deal to your local club members of the unwanted body and TX

greekone
2008.03.13, 08:39 PM
The transmitter comes with the converstion kit.

Felix2010
2008.03.13, 08:54 PM
i saw the mr-02/105 pcb kit sold seperately in jpn, not this conversion kit, for about $95 i think it was. are the boards also sold this way, ie; minus the tx here stateside?

Arch, I'd also like to know the answer to this question. The MR-015/MR-02 and MA-010 "conversion kits" have both the 2.4gHz-ASF PCB + the KT-18.
I am hoping to be able to purchase just the 2.4gHz-ASF PCB + the MA-010 ASF chassis cover. Many people like myself bought the KT-18 when we purchased a Porshe ASF chassis/body ARR and don't need another KT-18. But I also wouldn't like to wait a lot more time for Kyosho to release the MA-010-specific ASF PCB + chassis cover by itself.

Tim, any idea if the MA-010 ASF PCB + MA-010 chassis pieces will be available by themselves? Thanks for the info, and your updates to the "What's New 2008"-thread. :)

CristianTabush
2008.03.13, 09:40 PM
Shameless self promotion here, but the shop here does not offer the boards. We already have them for sale on our site for a very reasonable price. You get the board only, but it should be enough. I am planing on selling the board and the top cover for the MR-02. Just have to get more standard covers for the regular cars. On the AWD, most people run the car without a top cover anyways...

Just look under our 2.4ghz section...

arch2b
2008.03.13, 10:41 PM
these are already for sale in jpn

MZ-303
R/C Unit Set(for 2.4GHz/RA-18)
USD 79.82
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53372/53372_b.jpg
MZ-151B
Main Chassis Set(MR-015/ASF)
USD 5.97
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53375/53375_b.jpg
MZ-155
Chassis Small Parts Set(for MR-015/ASF)
USD 5.97
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53373/53373_b.jpg
MZ-213
Chassis Small Parts Set(MR-02/ASF)
USD 5.97
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53246/53246_b.jpg
82002
2.4GHz ASF Conversion Set(for MINI-Z MR-015/02)
USD 149.67
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53371/53371_b.jpg

Felix2010
2008.03.13, 11:13 PM
these are already for sale in jpn

MZ-303
R/C Unit Set(for 2.4GHz/RA-18)
USD 79.82
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53372/53372_b.jpg


Thanks for the photos arch. The PCB above, item# MZ-303 - R/C Unit Set(for 2.4GHz/RA-18) - This is what I am looking for, but for the MA-010. I'm assuming item#MZ-303 is a drop-in unit for the MR-015/MR-02 chassis only. Do you know if Kyosho will be selling an "R/C Unit Set for MA-010(for 2.4GHz/RA-18) ?

@Cristian - Thanks for the info. I check out Reflex often.:D I have noticed that a lot of guys run their MA-010's without any top cover. To convert the MR-02 2.4GHz-ASF PCB (item#MZ-303) to work on the MA010 chassis it only requires a couple small soldering/wire-swaps, correct? I am not the most comfortable person when it comes to soldering tight wires and pads on the PCB, so it would be cool to be able to purchase a "drop-in" 2.4gHz-ASF PCB for the MA-010. Do you think that the these few swapped wires are the only things differentiating the official Kyosho MA-010 2.4GHz ASF PCB from the MZ-303 R/C Unit Set(for 2.4GHz/RA-18) ?

Nic-Z
2008.03.13, 11:55 PM
no those prices are much better, and logical when wanting to do a swap, dag now I wish I just got those instead. oh well just get them as well.

CristianTabush
2008.03.14, 01:13 AM
All that needs to be done to drop in the AWD is to swap the positive and negative wires to the servo motor. Location of the ICS plug might differ a little bit as well, but should not take much to do it. I will do a tutorial on this soon. Give me until middle of next week.

arch2b
2008.03.14, 09:33 AM
All that needs to be done to drop in the AWD is to swap the positive and negative wires to the servo motor. Location of the ICS plug might differ a little bit as well, but should not take much to do it. I will do a tutorial on this soon. Give me until middle of next week.

thanks for doing this cristian :) i know many won't be purchasing the converstion kit with the tx. some will but i venture most won't.

Felix2010
2008.03.14, 11:44 AM
All that needs to be done to drop in the AWD is to swap the positive and negative wires to the servo motor. Location of the ICS plug might differ a little bit as well, but should not take much to do it. I will do a tutorial on this soon. Give me until middle of next week.

Thank you Cristian. I will definitely check out your tutorial on this. I went looking around and saw that on ruf's 2.4GHz ASF MA-010 conversion he mentioned that the power switch wires need to be extended, and the white wire for the POT needs to be lengthened a bit. From the photos it looks like the power wires may need to be lengthened also to reach the MA010's chassis power-leads, but I'm not sure - ruf didn't mention this.

ruf
2008.03.14, 04:18 PM
The power wires should also be lengthened a bit. I always rewire my power wires anyways, so I didn't notice. Here are some pics that will go into the tutorial.

Stock wiring:
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/24ghz/HPIM0336.JPG

Wiring for 2.4GHz board:
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/24ghz/HPIM0337.JPG

Modifications to servo cover for easier wire routing. This is handy for making sure you don't break or pinch those delicate servo or power switch tires:
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/24ghz/HPIM0345.JPG

All wired up:
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/24ghz/HPIM0339.JPG

Top cover modifications:
http://www.reflexracing.net/images/24ghz/HPIM0342.JPG

EMU
2008.03.14, 06:13 PM
Great pics Ruf, cant wait to read the write up :D

Felix2010
2008.03.14, 08:04 PM
Thank you ruf for the photos. I like how you routed the motor wires outside of the chassis to the PCB.
Very nice car.:D

ruf
2008.03.15, 11:07 PM
Thanks. There's a couple things that I do to my chassis for ease of maintenance. A good part of performance is maintenance and making sure you don't break something in the process.

Running the motor wires outside of the chassis gives me a quick way to check the motor and the drivetrain separately while still allowing me to hardwire the motor. I always thought that having all the wiring between was a tight squeeze. I've cut a small slot where the motor heatsink clips on so that you can slip the wires through it one at a time. Same goes for the top cover. Now if you just use motor wire screws, then none of this really applies, but I really do hate those things.

jasondee
2008.03.18, 04:46 AM
Hello
I am new to this forum and to rc stuff so you can call me a complete noob and so will be my questions but please bear with me for a while.
for couple months I have a ferrari modena car on RM-015i chassis. I love this car but the original AM radio was ruining my enjoyment with all those glitches. then almost by mistake a saw the announcement on the new 2.4ghz conversion set at kyosho web.. to make it short... it arrived yesterday directly from japan and I was really happy about it. unfortunately it come with another set of upgrade parts I ordered elsewhere. why unfortunately? heh I spend couple hours tinkering with the car and it all works now.. its amazing. but with the new 2.4ghz board I installed new xspeed V motor and when I run the car I hear very unfriendly electronic whinning sound similar to a trolleybus thyristor sound. but only on forward.. when going reverse its all quiet. please can someone tell me if its normal? I will try to swap the original motor back today to see if its board or motor related cuz it was too late yesterday to do that. still a word from someone more experienced will be highly appretiated :)
oh one more thing
the kt-18 with all the possible setting and trimming is great though as I was used to the "i" model before without brake... and since this is a computer radio is it possible to disable the brake function? I will probably get used to it in few days but since I am not a racer I prefer the option to go reverse as fast as possible in front of our baby son or our curious cat.
thank you
jason

kryten
2008.03.25, 04:23 PM
I'd just like to clarify something,is the chassis in a 2.4 readyset any different to a regular readyset? I have two spare main chassis from a couple of month old mr02's.Will the 2.4 conversion kit installed in them be the same as the rtr 2.4 then? With the exception of the LM rear end of course.

arch2b
2008.03.25, 04:38 PM
it appears the only difference is the main pcb cover and the motor lead terminal block, atleast from images online. it may or may not have the plug for the normal xtal slot?

Tim Johnson
2008.03.25, 04:42 PM
I'd just like to clarify something,is the chassis in a 2.4 readyset any different to a regular readyset? I have two spare main chassis from a couple of month old mr02's.Will the 2.4 conversion kit installed in them be the same as the rtr 2.4 then? With the exception of the LM rear end of course.

The only difference will be the upper deck plastics, the rear pod, and the front knuckles.

the 2.4 conversion will have the upder deck plastics, X-tal delete, the PCB board, and the KT-18 TX.

kryten
2008.03.25, 05:13 PM
Thanks very much for the quick reply,will i need to buy different knuckles? I'm guessing existing stock/aftermarket knuckles will be fine but again just want to be sure.

briankstan
2008.03.25, 05:31 PM
I'm assuming the knuckles are different because the the lowered ride height of the 2.4ghz LM chassis. the motor pod sits different, and the front is lowered some.

I saw some pictures somewhere, but can't recall what thread they were in.

ruf
2008.03.25, 05:38 PM
I'm assuming the knuckles are different because the the lowered ride height of the 2.4ghz LM chassis. the motor pod sits different, and the front is lowered some.

I saw some pictures somewhere, but can't recall what thread they were in.The LM front knuckles are different NOT due to the LM chassis being lower, but because the LM front wheel/tire combo is smaller in diameter. The LM front knuckles actually RAISE the front ride height to compensate for this.

briankstan
2008.03.25, 05:41 PM
thanks for the correction. :o

arch2b
2008.03.25, 07:57 PM
thanks for the clarification tim. good to know it's only 2 parts for a conversion to 2.4ghz. that makes it that much easier.

EMU
2008.03.26, 02:16 AM
The LM front knuckles are different NOT due to the LM chassis being lower, but because the LM front wheel/tire combo is smaller in diameter. The LM front knuckles actually RAISE the front ride height to compensate for this.
Ruf, the axle is higher on the new knuckle, which lowers the chassis if you use the same wheels and tires. I understand why you would think it would be the opposite, since the outside diameter of the front tire is smaller than the outside diameter of a standard front tire. I thought it would be the opposite as well...

Its not a great pic, but you can kind of see where the axle height is.
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23753&d=1198770691
I found this in another thread while looking for the picture that Tim posted showing that the new knuckles lower the car. None of the pictures he posted are working right now, so I cant link them. One reason why people should attach pictures to the forum instead of linking them...

I compared the stock MR02 knuckle to the ASF MR02 knuckle, and the ASF axle is definitely higher. Please take a look, I know you must have a few stock ASF and MR02 knuckles around. It looks about 1mm higher (eyeball measurement), so essentially the car will be about 1.75mm lower. 1mm lower due to knuckle, .75mm due to tire radius difference (1.5mm difference in diameter). I wish I had the proper tools to measure the difference in the knuckles, but unfortunately I do not, so this is all estimated. Tire difference is from technical data, 23.5mm LM tire OD vs. 25mm MR02 tire OD.

arch2b
2008.03.26, 08:41 AM
yes, this is a very important point i refer to often, please attach images as a standard and insert them via vb tags when or if you can not attach them. you ca certainly insert them as well as attaching them. simply relying on inserted image continuity is a huge mistake (when referencing internet sourced iamges). sites change, people drop off the internet, and any number of siutations can occur that render such links useless thus make it difficult to go back to threads for information.

ruf
2008.03.26, 03:38 PM
EMU - good catch on that. I must be losing my mind. I remember the first comparison shots where one axle was lower than the other, and I ASSumed that the LM knuckles had dropped axles. Once I got my LM, I never really bothered to check... :o

ruf
2008.03.28, 07:46 PM
BTW, the official Kyosho 2.4GHz boards are here!!! We'll have them in stock shortly, as they just arrived at Kyosho America.

These are boards only. The "conversion kits" with the new top covers for MR-02/015 or AWD will come with a KT-18 radio and are NOT available yet.

stitchy
2008.04.03, 01:11 AM
I'm in Japan now, and the conversion kits are out. Picked mine up at Super-Radi Con for 11,025 yen which roughly comes out to $115 with sucky exchange rate. That is the cheapest I've seen so far... Good hunting!

herman
2008.04.03, 03:55 AM
sorry to be off topic..

try going to rc-champ akahibara...

here's a list of other shops in the area you might want to check out...
http://agusta.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp/agusta/akibamap.jpg

A list of R/C shops in Akihabara, Tokyo, Japan

(updated 24 Nov, 2006)
If you visit Akihabara, there are the following shops
near the JR's Akihabara station (but not so close to each other; see the map below):

1, Futaba Sangyo: tel:03-3255-9984, fax:03-3251-9984
http://www.f-sangyo.co.jp/
on Yasukuni-Street;
Miyakawa buildg 1~2F, 2-9, Sudacho Kanda Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 101-0041.
Closed on every thursday, 10:30~20:00.
R/C devices, airplanes, EP~30 class helicopters, boats, cars.

2, Rakusei Model Tokyo; tel: 03-3851-7333, fax:03-3851-7758
on Yasukuni-Street;
MY Iwamotocho Buildg1F, 3-5-5, Iwamoto-cho Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 101-0032.
No Closed , 10:00~20:00 (~19:00 on sunday and holiday).
A discount shop on all R/C items.

3, Super Radi-Con Tokyo; tel:03-5688-1414, fax: 03-5688-2622
on Showa-Street;
Echo Akihabara-Buildg2F, 1-10-3, Taito Taito-ku Tokyo 110-0016.
Closed on every monday, 10:00~21:00 (~20:00 on sunday and holiday).
A discount shop on all R/C items.

4, RC-Advisor Champ Tokyo; tel: 03-5807-5239, fax:03-5807-5229
http://www.rc-champ.co.jp/
near Kuramae-bashi Street;
Kairaku-Buildg 1F, 6-5-4, Soto-Kanda Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 101-0021.
Closed on every monday( if monday is holiday, then tuesday), 11:00~21:00 (11:00~20:00 on s and h).
A discount shop on all R/C items. They say the largest shop in Tokyo.

from
http://agusta.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp/agusta/akihabara.html

herman
2008.04.03, 04:02 AM
hmmm... you might want to go to kyosho omotesando and check out the latest kyosho d nano... check this out... :D

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21404&highlight=kyosho+omotesando

enjoy your stay in tokyo, japan... :D

stitchy
2008.04.03, 08:05 AM
Hi Herman, thanks for the heads up :D I went to the Kyosho shop in Omotesando today and saw the Dnano but it was just a display, not selling yet. The place was a bit smaller than I expected but still very, very nice. Prices on the autoscale bodies were normal, but readysets and kits were sky high.

Using that map as a guide, I am going to Akihabara tomorrow and will visit RC Champ and Super Radi-Con. Not sure if Futaba Sangyo and Rakusei Model will be worthwhile...will go if time permits. Thanks again!

yamar6
2008.04.03, 02:31 PM
i don't know if im late but toyeast has the kit they want about 135.00 sorry to be off topic..

try going to rc-champ akahibara...

here's a list of other shops in the area you might want to check out...
http://agusta.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp/agusta/akibamap.jpg

A list of R/C shops in Akihabara, Tokyo, Japan

(updated 24 Nov, 2006)
If you visit Akihabara, there are the following shops
near the JR's Akihabara station (but not so close to each other; see the map below):

1, Futaba Sangyo: tel:03-3255-9984, fax:03-3251-9984
http://www.f-sangyo.co.jp/
on Yasukuni-Street;
Miyakawa buildg 1~2F, 2-9, Sudacho Kanda Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 101-0041.
Closed on every thursday, 10:30~20:00.
R/C devices, airplanes, EP~30 class helicopters, boats, cars.

2, Rakusei Model Tokyo; tel: 03-3851-7333, fax:03-3851-7758
on Yasukuni-Street;
MY Iwamotocho Buildg1F, 3-5-5, Iwamoto-cho Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 101-0032.
No Closed , 10:00~20:00 (~19:00 on sunday and holiday).
A discount shop on all R/C items.

3, Super Radi-Con Tokyo; tel:03-5688-1414, fax: 03-5688-2622
on Showa-Street;
Echo Akihabara-Buildg2F, 1-10-3, Taito Taito-ku Tokyo 110-0016.
Closed on every monday, 10:00~21:00 (~20:00 on sunday and holiday).
A discount shop on all R/C items.

4, RC-Advisor Champ Tokyo; tel: 03-5807-5239, fax:03-5807-5229
http://www.rc-champ.co.jp/
near Kuramae-bashi Street;
Kairaku-Buildg 1F, 6-5-4, Soto-Kanda Chiyoda-Ku Tokyo 101-0021.
Closed on every monday( if monday is holiday, then tuesday), 11:00~21:00 (11:00~20:00 on s and h).
A discount shop on all R/C items. They say the largest shop in Tokyo.

from
http://agusta.ms.u-tokyo.ac.jp/agusta/akihabara.html

herman
2008.04.04, 09:15 PM
hopefully last off-topic reply....

stitchy... also if you have the time try dropping by a mini-z track 'ars circuit' in asakusa. click on my sig to get the address & call before you go to make sure they are there. i think they have races on fri nights. have fun...

oh & say hi to fumio san if you get the chance

kryten
2008.05.29, 03:06 PM
I had a major problem with two conversion kits with the 'steering won't centre' problem.As a last resort i changed the servo gears to a set of black Atomic ones,and a new servo saver(the previous one was new too but i thought why not try) and what do you know,it's FINE now!:D i used new servo gears the first time(stock kyosho) won't be doing that again;)

Tjay
2008.05.29, 03:20 PM
"i used new servo gears the first time(stock kyosho) won't be doing that again"

what do you mean? Kyosho gears are no good? I use them on all my cars.

kryten
2008.05.29, 03:45 PM
I've had no problems with them in the past,but replacing them with the black ATM ones cured my centering problem.

Tjay
2008.05.29, 04:02 PM
got it, I like the atm as well. It actually feels smoother than kyosho's but it could be just my head playing tricks on me :).