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EMU
2008.01.06, 02:31 AM
I noticed that PN has released an F1 motormount. http://www.pnracing.us/new/news.php?show=more&news_id=111

It looks quite different from the Atomic one. Although it looks like there is no height adjustment for the damper. I like the way the motor remains FLAT, unlike the tilting method of the Atomic mount, should make gear mesh adjustment a little more precise.

It is also compatable with the rear springs like the stock pod, unlike the Atomic. Mass is claimed to be the same as the stock plastic. Ive never weighed the stock on, or my Atomic one.

I wonder if PN will be releasing a disc damper to work with it, and if it will have less interference with the bodies if one is released (instead of dremeling away the body).

I would like to see some ride height adjustment for the rear axle though... I dont remember if the Atomic F1 mount has this...

rharris
2008.01.06, 02:42 AM
I picked one up today.

Here's a quick review:

http://www.mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27105

EMU
2008.01.06, 03:24 AM
I picked one up today.

Here's a quick review:

http://www.mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27105
I read the review shortly after posting.

Looks good, nice review. Do you have any pics of it installed? I am thinking or replacing my Atomic mount with this one... Although I havent been running F1 lately since both of my F1s have the jitters. Ive been working on my other cars too much to have time to work on the F1s. I am running 4 classes already (MR02 stock, MR015 k-stock motor, AWD Open, Nascar Stock)... With the championship coming to a close, I should have a little time to switch up my secondary classes, not run all every race weekend and get time to focus on tuning.

ruf
2008.01.06, 06:10 AM
I would like to see some ride height adjustment for the rear axle though... I dont remember if the Atomic F1 mount has this...Atomic put ride height spacers in their mount as a running change. I've been waiting for the PN F1 mount to release since I saw the prototype at Kenon a few months ago. Definitely some good thought put into the design, though I am beginning to think that there is a place for both mounts in your arsenal depending on the application.

rharris
2008.01.07, 12:39 AM
Here's some pics, and some more intel:

The PN mount weighs in at 9 grams, that's the same as the plastic mount if you count all the parts:

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_006.jpg

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_005.jpg

This atomic is close, until you add the D.D.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_007.jpg

Here's some pics of how the motor is installed. I've never seen another mount like this one. It's a very cool design.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_013.jpg

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_015.jpg

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_016.jpg

You have to cut the body a bit, but you have to do that with the atomic too. You can't see the mods from the outside:

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_024.jpg

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_025.jpg

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/500/medium/F1Mount_026.jpg

I haven't put it on the track yet, but it seems easier to get the PN setup correct then the Atomic. You have to get the atomic just rite (the motor wires can't get in the way, the DD can't hit the body, correct tension on the shock, and top and bottom DD, etc...) With the PN, you get the correct springs in, and a new set of Carbon plates and you should be good to go.

Joe, you in Cali? I could use an F1 expert to dial in the new car... :D

herman
2008.01.07, 03:23 AM
thanks for the cool pics and review... :D

NOMOTORLIMIT
2008.01.08, 04:49 PM
I got to see this mount this past weekend. This is what I remember Philip said regarding the motor mount.

1. You can adjust the height of the rear wing from the rear w/o removing anything.

2. You can use original rear springs. He showed me the holes where the springs sit.

3. You can change pinion gear w/o having to remove balldiff. Screws for the motor mount, located on the bottom - moves forward and backward.

I wanted to get on just to have. It looked nice!!!

Hope this helps.

Felix2010
2008.01.08, 07:37 PM
Great job with the review and the photos rharris. Thank you. :D

One question I have is about how EMU mentioned he wonders if PN will release a Disk Damper specifically for this mount. Since at the moment Atomic's F1 motor mount has a pretty decent Disk Damper option for use with it (I realize the ATM DPS comes at a cost of both money and having less innovative features than the new PN F1 mount), I would like to know which is more important on a racing/performance standpoint- Having the Disk Damper option, or having the ease of use and innovative features the PN F1 mount employs? Thanks for your help :D

ruf
2008.01.08, 07:44 PM
Disk damper wins. Period. Luckily you can use an Atomic disk damper with the PN mount for now.

rharris
2008.01.08, 09:21 PM
Disk damper wins. Period. Luckily you can use an Atomic disk damper with the PN mount for now.

Ok, I really respect what Joe says. I also think the damper is harder to get set up correctly.

The F1 seems like the most finiky car to set up.

I know that at the worlds in Portugal, I saw guys hooking up pretty good with the stock plastic mount. I was supprised to see so many guys running the plastic setup. ( no disk damper )

I know chad (3rd place) uses the atomic mount and the damper. But if remember rite, Pedro (1st place) had a plastic mount and no damper. I spent a good deal of time with Josť Figueiredo, he makes custom F1 tires, and he was using the plastic mount. He kicked my butt by the way.

I'm looking forward to this weekend when I have some time to set up my F1, I'll let you know what I find out.





I know Philip of PN says that you can dial in the F1 with the side springs alone.

ruf
2008.01.08, 10:21 PM
In Portugal, those with custom tires had the luxury of having too much rear traction. The disk damper setup generates more rear traction, but is more progressive at the limit.

I used the stock plastic mount with disk damper AND side springs until about a month ago. I still feel like it has a place in the arsenal. I'm just going in a different direction right now. The guys overseas set up their cars very differently from us, and it's great to share ideas and setup experience. I'll try a few runs without the disk damper sometime soon just to verify my thoughts.

rharris
2008.01.09, 01:13 AM
In Portugal, those with custom tires had the luxury of having too much rear traction.

Yea, big time.

This is off topic, but did you hear what Josť Figueiredo was running on his F1? He cut the rims so that he could run custom foam inserts. Then he had the tires run thru a laser etcher that put a custom pattern on them that looked like the surface of a golf ball. I ran his car around the track once and man... it was hooking up.

It would be pretty cool if someone could come up with a way to mass produce them.

ruf
2008.01.09, 01:56 AM
I've got a set of them. Been saving them for a rainy day... :p

rharris
2008.01.09, 02:16 AM
you stink. :rolleyes:

wcrotty
2008.01.09, 12:28 PM
Hey Ruf can you post a pic of the tires?

thanks

ruf
2008.01.09, 03:34 PM
I'll try to get some up later tonight.

herman
2008.01.22, 02:48 AM
He cut the rims so that he could run custom foam inserts. Then he had the tires run thru a laser etcher that put a custom pattern on them that looked like the surface of a golf ball. I ran his car around the track once and man... it was hooking up.

fore!!!! :D

wwwes
2008.01.23, 10:27 AM
I would like to see pics of the tires as well. I have an f1 with the atomic mount and the dd and it seems to have a problem of oversteer all the time. I would really like to see other folks setups on how they get their f1's to stick.

hrdrvr
2008.01.23, 12:51 PM
^ I have the same problem. I just got a plethera of springs and tires to try out. Maybe I can get it drivable here soon.

ruf
2008.01.23, 04:37 PM
Sorry guys, been a little busy here. I'm waiting to get a sample of the foam inserts from Portugal to post pics. I ran a hand-cut tire at the Atomic race this past month, and it has very good traction. I post pics of those when I get home. I know that we're trying to focus on AWD development right now, but I love the F1 too much, so expect a new tuning article about how to work the bugs out and end up with a driveable F1 soon! We've learned a lot since 2005, and progression is the name of the game. Still need to get that AWD setup sheet cranked out tho... :(

briankstan
2008.01.23, 04:50 PM
Rod, I'm looking at getting this F1 Mount. Have you ran yours? what's the consensous after some track time?

rharris
2008.01.24, 03:37 AM
Hi Brian,

So far so good on my little track and at the PN track running a stock motor (speedy 07). I've been running the F1 with side springs and a top damper spring. I really like not having to butcher the body for the disk damper.

ruf
2008.01.24, 02:54 PM
Rod - you gonna be at Kenon this Friday? I'm going to try to make it. I'd like to do some back to back runs with the Atomic and PN mounts. I still haven't had a chance to install mine.

rharris
2008.01.24, 04:59 PM
No, my son't 5th B-Day party is Saturday and I have help get things ready.

I can't make it to kenon untill next week. I'll be there next friday for sure. But I want to work on lap times on the pan before then. :D