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Tim Johnson
2008.02.07, 11:21 PM
Well I did not want the Z community to find out about these bad boys on the street, so here are some pics of an up coming product. Someone took some photos they were not allowed to take of these cars..... So anyway here are the photos. Enjoy. At this point I am not allowed to say anything more...LOL..... If this thread gets deleted, you will know why..LOL


http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kyoshodnano-4-lr.jpg
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kyoshodnano-2-lr.jpg
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kyoshodnano-1-lr.jpg
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kyoshodnano-3-lr.jpg

ruf
2008.02.08, 01:38 AM
Holy @#$%... Carrera GT? :D

Wicked diffuser on the 787...

color01
2008.02.08, 02:52 AM
So, it looks like all 4 tires are the same size now, and the rear diff has swapped sides to the left side. Given the bodyshell height, and the amount of diffuser on that 787 (I'm with Joe, it looks sick!) can we guess that these new cars are MM configuration with an Epoch-sized motor?

C'mon Tim, spill the beans. :D

Well, I know what I want for my birthday now... :rolleyes:

herman
2008.02.08, 03:27 AM
more info...
Kyosho are at the show with a new range of 1/43rd scale mini cars, smaller than the Mini-Z, called the Dnano. As far as I’m aware the new cars havent been officially launched yet but we did spot some hidden away on a glass stand and also spotted one being run on the makeshift Mini-Z track. They look great and performance on the track looked good, at least in a straight line. Available in a number of different body types, they are controlled by the new 2.4Ghz radio system that comes with the new generation Mini-Z’s.

from...

http://www.redrc.net/2008/02/toy-fair-kyosho-dnano/#more-7775

man 1/43...

hrdrvr
2008.02.08, 07:51 AM
Thats is the hotness! Im with c0. I never liked the epoch designs, and dont have space for a proper 1/28th track at my house. This is the answer! I guess now I wont have a choice about going 2.4 :D

Sinister_Y
2008.02.08, 08:46 AM
bust out the mini-96's!

simalive
2008.02.08, 08:58 AM
They look amazing! I wonder how tunable they are.

One of 2.4ghz's "feature" that I'm most excited about is the omission of the long antenna, these 1/43 really benefit from it since they look so realistic even at such small scale.

piper1944
2008.02.08, 09:26 AM
AWESOME...damn when are these cars coming out...i am still waiting on the lemans cars...

Davey G
2008.02.08, 10:26 AM
They do look really cool. Here is my theory. Maybe these little 43rd scale cars are repackaged LIT cars. They have 2.4ghz board, cool rims and tires and a different body. Whatcha think?? Just a thought.....

Fovea3d
2008.02.08, 10:42 AM
That is awsome news!
It is completely new design, with integrated RFID tag and Lipo, obviously designed for racing :cool:
I can see races on a snooker table ;)

http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano04.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano05.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano06.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano07.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano08.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano09.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano11.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano12.jpg

The dNaNo is an all new car from Kyosho that is unlike anything else in RC.

>> 1/43-scale so it can easily fit in the palm of your hand.
>> Operated by a 2.4GHz radio system so there are no crystals to fuss with.
>> Each car has a built-in lap counter and each car has its own unique ID number. After a race, you will be able to review your results for the race and also bring up information on the entire life of your car.
>> Powered by a LiPo battery pack, which Kyosho told me is very safe and will not burn.
>> Optional light set will be available.
>> Ports on the chassis allow you to plug in an optional traction control unit to make the car easier to control when cornering at speed.
>> The car can be plugged into a computer so driving profiles can be customized.
>> Each car comes completely assembled and includes a chassis for display purposes that has the true to scale wheels and tires mounted on it.
>> A starter set will include the 2.4GHz transmitter, LiPo battery pack and charger. (These items are not included with the car)
>> Transmitter only requires 4AAA batteries.
>> 8 different bodies will be available, with new ones coming out each month there after.
>> The bodies look absolutely amazing with exacting detail…to the point where I can see diecast fans buying the car just for display.

arch2b
2008.02.08, 10:52 AM
EVERYTHING the lit should have been. not much more i can say...

tim, can't thaink you enough for bringing a ray of sunshine to my day!

absolutley amazing stuff. you can tell kyo to trash the lit, waste of money (at the set retail price) if you ask me. these look to be everything we ahd hoped we would get from the lit.

please let me know when you have even a suggested timeline for release.

epoch who, what?...

Red Team
2008.02.08, 10:53 AM
Thanks for sharing such great news with us...man, I love this community !

soulstice
2008.02.08, 10:55 AM
awesome. Thanks for the additional info fovea.

Davey G
2008.02.08, 10:57 AM
OKAY, SO I was wrong...

THESE things look AWESOME!!!!

simalive
2008.02.08, 10:59 AM
Quote: [>> Each car has a built-in lap counter and each car has its own unique ID number. After a race, you will be able to review your results for the race and also bring up information on the entire life of your car.]

This function is EXACTLY my dream come true! Truly fantastic!

TigeRyan
2008.02.08, 11:01 AM
So, I assume these are going to work with the Core System without a problem? They are too cool!!!

arch2b
2008.02.08, 11:05 AM
So, I assume these are going to work with the Core System without a problem? They are too cool!!!

it's about time we finally see some results from core integration, if indeed this is what is happening. this should be stock with every mini-z chassis btw;) i'm willing to bet that is the next step.

Tim Johnson
2008.02.08, 11:22 AM
So, I assume these are going to work with the Core System without a problem? They are too cool!!!

I hope I don't get in trouble about this...LOL

Core did design the timing system for Kyosho. :)

CristianTabush
2008.02.08, 12:32 PM
The good thing about this, is that being 2.4ghz, the Core system will no longer make the cars glitch over the timing loop. Good stuff.

wes
2008.02.08, 01:14 PM
SOLD! I'll take 2 please :D This is the best idea yet... I haven't been this excited about a new RC for a while now... Just think of all the ATM and PN goodies for this car :D

pinoyboy
2008.02.08, 01:22 PM
SOLD! I'll take 2 please :D This is the best idea yet... I haven't been this excited about a new RC for a while now... Just think of all the ATM and PN goodies for this car :D


Your gonna have to start a new f******k group when these come out!:p I'd like to to try one of these as well.

myscoobysti
2008.02.08, 01:24 PM
Any idea how much it'll cost? I'm pretty sure they are going to cost a bomb! Looks like I'm gonna have to sell my kidney!!!:D

Sinister_Y
2008.02.08, 01:34 PM
I hope Kyosho release white bodies for this scale. The bodies look top notch like what I've become accustomed to from Kyosho.

It would be mint to, say, have a league of GT cars... or whatever.

schmenzer
2008.02.08, 01:43 PM
That is awsome news!
It is completely new design, with integrated RFID tag and Lipo, obviously designed for racing :cool:

>> Each car has a built-in lap counter and each car has its own unique ID number. After a race, you will be able to review your results for the race and also bring up information on the entire life of your car.


Very cool. Hope the RFID is compatible with the CORE system.

Greg

arch2b
2008.02.08, 01:56 PM
Any idea how much it'll cost? I'm pretty sure they are going to cost a bomb! Looks like I'm gonna have to sell my kidney!!!:D

if the lit was any measure as to the cost of developing a smaller car, your going to find it more expensive than current mr-02's however maybe more in line with the 2.4 cars perhaps. either way, don't count on these being cheap. i would love to be surprised and wrong but the lit really threw us for a loop regarding cost.

rharris
2008.02.08, 02:01 PM
Very cool. Hope the RFID is compatible with the CORE system.

Greg


I do hope it works with the original loop.

It would also be cool if core would publish access to the counter logic so we could bolt on more sophisticated counting software.

But I'll take what I can get. Any word on when these come out? did I miss that one?

This is way cool Tim. I'm already planning the mini-track in my garage so I can work on my mid week racing fix.

arch2b
2008.02.08, 02:13 PM
there are going to be VERY unhappy core customers if the new tags are not compatible with the existing hardware. i can undestand kyo's point if they are not but that being said, it would alienate an already large population of core users. lets not get to carried away with speculation at this point though.

these will indeed take home racing to the next level! i'm envious of all those who purchased mini-96 tracks. i really need to remember who has mine? let someone use it years ago and simply forgot about it.

again, these are everything the lit should have been.

rharris
2008.02.08, 02:16 PM
LOL, yea, I had a TON of that 96 track. But I sold it off last year. Now I wish I hadn't.

But... I'm thinking of laying out a big square of blanks, then just laying the RCP railes on top to make the layout.

I'm sure RCP is already dream in up cool ideas for these little cars.

mini-z
2008.02.08, 02:38 PM
The good thing about this, is that being 2.4ghz, the Core system will no longer make the cars glitch over the timing loop. Good stuff.

My thoughts exactly! Couldn't really have done w/out the other, so this is the perfect fusion of these new technologies! :cool:

Draconious
2008.02.08, 03:05 PM
Same/Compatible 2.4ghz as the new 2.4ghz Mini-Z?

Hopeing to get away with using the TX from the 1/43 starter set on a Z? Same TX maybe? These might sell instead of transmitters. ;) A good way to get more people to adapt to 1/43...

I can see the introductory sale, Buy a 2.4ghz Mini-Z and get a Dnano for the same price as a 2.4ghz Transmitter.

imxlr8ed
2008.02.08, 03:34 PM
Quote: [>> Each car has a built-in lap counter and each car has its own unique ID number. After a race, you will be able to review your results for the race and also bring up information on the entire life of your car.]

This function is EXACTLY my dream come true! Truly fantastic!

Once again... holy poopie! All it needs is an odometer feature and you have the perfect little technological monster! We could price our used cars based on actual mileage!!! Wait a minute... it actually DOES have that!!!

These thing look freekin sweet!, suddenly a one lane Mini96 in my basement seems very feasible.

And please Kyosho... make it compatible with existing Core, or you're going to lose alot of friends in the states!

rharris
2008.02.08, 03:46 PM
Same/Compatible 2.4ghz as the new 2.4ghz Mini-Z?


That's a very cool thing. You can use your helios, mars or ex-1 UR to run them.

Yea, I wonder what the price will be. the lit was a bit high. and with an integrated lap counter.. I wonder.

It would be very, very cool if they were at the RCX show in California this year.

DJ Kyosho
2008.02.08, 03:46 PM
Wow this is perfect for home racing where you won't really have space for an big mini-z track. I'm sure I'll be buying 1 or 2 or 10 :D

KirkLong
2008.02.08, 03:47 PM
I would like to see the final price. Any clue on how much this will be selling for. I hope it don’t cost no more than my wife’s wedding ring. Looks like they got it down pat.

Sinister_Y
2008.02.08, 04:27 PM
Dnano may stand for DNA-Nano....at least that is what is means from the new life science technology world.

"Book 'em D(n)ano" Hawaii-5-O

Draconious
2008.02.08, 05:02 PM
Digital Nano

Z_408
2008.02.08, 05:22 PM
Wow!!!!!!!!

lfisminiz
2008.02.08, 10:30 PM
WOW....here goes more $$$$$$$$$$$$:eek:;)

RCPMini-z
2008.02.08, 11:37 PM
LOL, yea, I had a TON of that 96 track. But I sold it off last year. Now I wish I hadn't.

But... I'm thinking of laying out a big square of blanks, then just laying the RCP railes on top to make the layout.

I'm sure RCP is already dream in up cool ideas for these little cars.

1) We are already making the cutting tools for large radius outside turn sweeps like the 50cm Nascar tracks contain.

2) Since the 30cm lanes are narrow, figure eight overpasses similar to slot car tracks would work well. The time spent under the overpass would be very quick, compared to the 50cm tracks. I am working on some overpass ramp and support designs now.

3) We have the new RCP rail liner kits coming in the next 40ft container, scheduled to arrive end of this month. They will work with the Mini-96 rails and may suit the small cars well, as they may need to ride the rails around the turns in such a confined space.

Fovea3d
2008.02.09, 07:30 AM
More pictures from our friend 08-15 who was at the toyfair.
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano14.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano15.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano16.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano17.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano18.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano19.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano20.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano21.jpg
Link to his review (in german) (http://549.rapidforum.com/topic=102169753337&startid=2)

Fovea3d
2008.02.09, 07:34 AM
And finally more pictures from Kyosho germany:
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano22.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano23.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano24.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano25.jpg
http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/dnano26.jpg
Source (http://www.kyosho.de/event/index.php?report_id=396)

byebye
2008.02.09, 09:57 AM
Subscribed.

Simply amazing!

Kris

Hammer
2008.02.09, 10:11 AM
Subscribed.Me to, these little guys are unbelievably cool! :D

Tjay
2008.02.09, 01:33 PM
that's sick!

color01
2008.02.09, 02:19 PM
Oh dear that is bloody small. :eek:

I LOVE that Carerra GT.

phea
2008.02.09, 02:46 PM
Wow I wonder how track layouts will be for these cars. No more 3 Wides, since 2 tiles should be plenty haha.

bobbyz
2008.02.09, 02:50 PM
my assumption so far is that the new lap timing sytems will read from below the car, instead of an overhead tower. this assumption is based on what the bottom of the car looks like, kind of a pcb board with a hole for transmitting a signal downward. i remember several members asking rcp about a tile grooved for wire to eliminate the bump. maybe they took that request and decided to put the timing sensors below the track and below the car as well. just a thought.

mugmug
2008.02.10, 04:39 AM
Amazingly cool indeed however I wish Kyosho had gone straight to the ultimate "Home Sized Racing Scale" which I think is the 1/64 scale, same size as the HO scale slot cars! With the 1/43 scale you still need to go through the track assembly/disassembly or choose to loose still a large portion of living or garage space. At 1:64 scale you can have a permanent track set up (to be made by RCP of course:-) on one of those cheap brown tables in any bedroom even. That would be a "true" home racer ready to go ALL THE TIME!

I'm sure that's where Kyosho will lead us in about 4 years from now.

If you think 1:64 scale rc is a crazy idea now, an rc car of this size built to scale with fully proportional steering/throttle & lipo batteries already exists and even though it's the ultimate novelty micro rc car it is not a racer due to it's unconventional transmitter design for one, but generally speaking not too far off. The car is now discontinued mostly due to terrible promotion & distribution. It was designed as a side project by an American electronics company that develops different wireless transmission technologies for industrial purposes. They were NOT an rc company to begin with and were trying to sell the cars through a full size car accessory catalog for $89 and they did sell-out their inventory.

For those who want to see more info on these cars you can go to www.bonzergear.com & click on the Metl Tech button.

Going back to the upcoming 1/43 scale Kyoshos, again I think they are great and a good step towards the right direction, smaller! The smaller the better.

will3kgt
2008.02.10, 09:04 PM
:eek: I just can't believe what I'm seeing! Kyosho has done it yet again! Everything The Lit should have been. Simply amazing. So amazing I don't even have any questions, I don't need to ask, I'm just getting one......Wow, Thanks Tim.:)

Tim Johnson
2008.02.10, 10:23 PM
my assumption so far is that the new lap timing sytems will read from below the car, instead of an overhead tower. this assumption is based on what the bottom of the car looks like, kind of a pcb board with a hole for transmitting a signal downward. i remember several members asking rcp about a tile grooved for wire to eliminate the bump. maybe they took that request and decided to put the timing sensors below the track and below the car as well. just a thought.


The transponder is on the bottom of the car. But the transponder does not use any electricity. The timing system picks up the tag as the car crosses the loop.

briankstan
2008.02.10, 10:45 PM
this is very cool, I'll be adding these to my collection as well, maybe even a race class for them in our club if the guys are interested.

I sure hope that they will work with the existing Core Timers. I wouldn't mind paying for a software upgrade if that is available to us the already own a core system. :D ;).

it's amazing how small these are, I can't wait to seem some video of their proformance. maybe that can be the next sneek peak. ;)

Blackno3
2008.02.13, 03:13 AM
Well the only way I can think of to describe how I feel about this product is to (Quote) Will Smith:
((((I GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THESE))))!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wcrotty
2008.02.13, 10:42 AM
I can't wait to get one.

When will they be out?

HammerZ
2008.02.13, 03:05 PM
I don't know what else to add, that has not already been covered.

Mazda787b
2008.02.13, 07:19 PM
Well when the shop decides to take pre-orders, I know where my money will be going.

I just wish the cars had more "scale" wheels. I'd like to see the Gold mesh BBS on the 787 with the aero-dish attachments on the front.

What is that other white, Group-C looking car to the left of the 787 and the black one to the right? Is it the Sauber-Mercedes C9, or maybe the Mazdaspeed 787, instead of the Renown?

ruf
2008.02.13, 07:44 PM
>> Each car comes completely assembled and includes a chassis for display purposes that has the true to scale wheels and tires mounted on it.

Mazda 787B, Kenwood 962C

will3kgt
2008.02.13, 07:56 PM
Amazingly cool indeed however I wish Kyosho had gone straight to the ultimate "Home Sized Racing Scale" which I think is the 1/64 scale, same size as the HO scale slot cars! With the 1/43 scale you still need to go through the track assembly/disassembly or choose to loose still a large portion of living or garage space. At 1:64 scale you can have a permanent track set up (to be made by RCP of course:-) on one of those cheap brown tables in any bedroom even. That would be a "true" home racer ready to go ALL THE TIME!

I'm sure that's where Kyosho will lead us in about 4 years from now.

If you think 1:64 scale rc is a crazy idea now, an rc car of this size built to scale with fully proportional steering/throttle & lipo batteries already exists and even though it's the ultimate novelty micro rc car it is not a racer due to it's unconventional transmitter design for one, but generally speaking not too far off. The car is now discontinued mostly due to terrible promotion & distribution. It was designed as a side project by an American electronics company that develops different wireless transmission technologies for industrial purposes. They were NOT an rc company to begin with and were trying to sell the cars through a full size car accessory catalog for $89 and they did sell-out their inventory.

For those who want to see more info on these cars you can go to www.bonzergear.com & click on the Metl Tech button.

Going back to the upcoming 1/43 scale Kyoshos, again I think they are great and a good step towards the right direction, smaller! The smaller the better.
Funny you should mention the Metl Tech racers. I happen to have the BMW M3 version. Anyone I show it to,weather the're in R/C or not, is truely amazed. Then I take the body off and people can't believe what they're seeing. It's like a watchmaker put these together.(The worm servo) My Metl Tech racer is personel favorite in my Micro collection.....Like you said the smaller the better.

mugmug
2008.02.13, 08:18 PM
Funny you should mention the Metl Tech racers. I happen to have the BMW M3 version. Anyone I show it to,weather the're in R/C or not, is truely amazed. Then I take the body off and people can't believe what they're seeing. It's like a watchmaker put these together.(The worm servo) My Metl Tech racer is personel favorite in my Micro collection.....Like you said the smaller the better.

I have the M3's too in both white & silver, truly in class of their own in all aspects. The main point being that it's a car that makes you see Racing Class 1:64 scale RC is really doable even now. Specially with all the experience, technology & talent between Kyosho & KO. I know that day is coming but just can't wait. I hope it happens sooner than my prediction of 4 years from now. Possibilities of Table top hobby class racing at home or even small hobby shops are vast indeed & sound very tasty!

bmxtrev
2008.02.14, 08:25 PM
yeah, those look VERY cool, but i will still love my 1/28th's a lot because you can take them on the road, and if you hit a pebble it wont be as much of a big deal. but if you have a nice track, those would be a lot of fun!

RCPMini-z
2008.02.14, 08:34 PM
The Dnano's have been tested and run very well on both the 50cm and 30cm RCP tracks. The 30cm tracks will be perfect for those with limited space.

Number1
2008.02.15, 01:46 PM
Because of the huge success of the mini-z, Kyosho though they can jack up the price on the Lite, and they did. ($199.99 for mini-z Lite vs. $139.99 for mr-02, from Kyosho's own website.) Well, how many of you guys actually went out and bought one? I didn't, and I have 11 mini-zs.
This time, I hope this Dnano will be more reasonablely priced.

ruf
2008.02.15, 01:54 PM
What most people don't realize is that basic materials cost on a product like this are MINIMAL. The cost is in the R&D, new technology, tooling, packaging, etc. It's actually harder and more expensive to make something smaller, especially in lower quantities. Think Sony, not the supermarket.

Everhard
2008.02.15, 02:01 PM
Because of the huge success of the mini-z, Kyosho though they can jack up the price on the Lite, and they did. ($199.99 for mini-z Lite vs. $139.99 for mr-02, from Kyosho's own website.) Well, how many of you guys actually went out and bought one? I didn't, and I have 11 mini-zs.
This time, I hope this Dnano will be more reasonablely priced.

I own 3 LITs. our local track has a "spec" class running the LIT. There are 9 people at this track that run LITs For what you get with the LIT, of corse it will be more money......Geeezzzzzz

I will be more than happy to pay more the Dnano, if you get rechargeable batterys and a Timing system card.........I just wish Kyosho applys the same tech to the 1/28th mini-z.....

ruf
2008.02.15, 02:12 PM
Not only that, the batts are LiPo.

bobbyz
2008.02.15, 05:25 PM
lets just hope that in the near future 1/28 & 1/43 kyosho cars will all be:
brushless--lipo--2.4ghz--timing intgrated.(not that the dnano brushless...yet) I think the new dnano cars are a step in the right direction for the hobby in general and especially smaller scale rc racing. I am very glad i opted for the mini-96 now instead of the 50cm tracks.

piper1944
2008.02.18, 10:01 AM
any release dates for this car?

wight
2008.02.18, 01:23 PM
Quite excited by the look of these.
I was considering buying an Epoch before they disappear completely.Might hang on for these instead,or maybe as well as,hmmm.

FrankW1029
2008.02.18, 04:00 PM
i like'em already. wonder how much they'll cost...

Kamer
2008.02.19, 03:59 PM
http://www.dnano.jp/

all in japanes unfortunal :(

rkk
2008.02.19, 08:33 PM
Just when I think I've beat the addiction we get this... Here I go again.

Blackno3
2008.02.20, 03:21 AM
It looks like March 5th is the release date according to the site that Kamer posted http://www.dnano.jp/. Thanks

I hope it’s true, that it’s a true living room racer, the holy grail of mini, or micro RC racing. It looks to be the most well thought out RC car ever.

P.S, RCPMini-z: I’m thinking that a roll out matt type of track will be a best seller for a room sized indoor setup for these things. Some thing in the 8x6 range, that’s not a puzzle that can be rolled out quickly and put away just as fast. I guess it will depend on how fast they are. I guess it may be time to think out side the box.



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stevegek
2008.02.20, 05:33 AM
I'd say you could almost use the lego road parts lol :P

MAN this looks cool, I'm gonna buy one for sure =)
Hope they wont be too expensive, if these come "cheap" then it would become a worldwide hit for sure =)

I'd also sell em in normal toy stores btw such as toys 'r us etc... cant wait =)

Hammer
2008.02.20, 08:40 AM
Hope they wont be too expensive, if these come "cheap" then it would become a worldwide hit for sure =)I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. I would guess they will be at least in the price range of the Lit, $200 plus or minus with the KT-18 controller. ;)

hrdrvr
2008.02.20, 09:04 AM
rkk, I sent you a PM :D

Sinister_Y
2008.02.22, 08:20 AM
Philip from PN sent me (and others) some pics of the new Dnano which he got to check out in Germany.

Although this thread has some very good pics, thought I'd post this one specifically as it shows the difference nicely b/w Dnano and Mini-z.

Also he said he tried it out and it handled well.

bobbyz
2008.02.22, 02:49 PM
does anyone know what the runtime is on these? it looks to me like a 130mah lipo battery, but the motor is a little hard to see. just curious.

stevegek
2008.02.26, 05:50 AM
ugh I believe it was illegal to film since I cant find ANYTHING on youtube...?

Tim Johnson
2008.02.26, 10:53 AM
ugh I believe it was illegal to film since I cant find ANYTHING on youtube...?

This is correct.....

rkk
2008.02.26, 06:35 PM
So are people still under NDAs?

kydawg1
2008.02.28, 11:51 AM
When and where do I order? Kyosho is on it. What too you so long Kyosho? Glad to see a new Micro hitting the tracks.

Sinister_Y
2008.02.28, 02:27 PM
On a humourus note:

We should nick-name the new Dnano..."Draino"..cause that seems what will be happening to most of us R/C crackheads and our wallets...we will be drained of our money buying the car and all the goodies for it...Of course, we'll have our fix though...hmmm...good thing is that this is still the cheapest scale I've ever raced in. Try 1/5th scale. I used to spend 10k /year to be at the top....1/10 electric used to be expensive as well...best batteries/dyno etc...

kydawg1
2008.02.28, 03:38 PM
... I am ready for the Draino to begin. Time to email colleagues in Japan and get some sent on March 5th.

herman
2008.02.29, 03:24 AM
Philip from PN sent me (and others) some pics of the new Dnano which he got to check out in Germany.

Although this thread has some very good pics, thought I'd post this one specifically as it shows the difference nicely b/w Dnano and Mini-z.

Also he said he tried it out and it handled well.

also wondering what's the runtime of these things, and a release date, and of course the price.... the suspense is killing me... :(

hmm... so is march 5 the expected release date of dnano nano (mork & mindy - wonder if anybody remembers that...)

really looks promising... and hope to get one (or two) as well...

since the batts are lipo... wondering if the charger is included... thinking that just might raise the price a bit...

Sinister_Y
2008.02.29, 08:51 AM
Forgot to add this pic showing what seems to be the charger.

Oh yeah, on a side note, not to speak for PN, but when asked, Philip confirmed PN will make upgrade parts for this car. Yay!

briankstan
2008.02.29, 11:08 AM
Forgot to add this pic showing what seems to be the charger.

Oh yeah, on a side note, not to speak for PN, but when asked, Philip confirmed PN will make upgrade parts for this car. Yay!

Awesome. :cool:

arch2b
2008.02.29, 11:40 AM
Forgot to add this pic showing what seems to be the charger.

Oh yeah, on a side note, not to speak for PN, but when asked, Philip confirmed PN will make upgrade parts for this car. Yay!

i can't wait to see what anodized aluminum jewels pn decides to make:) i'm sure an lm motor pod is on their list.

cdog4w
2008.02.29, 01:37 PM
Oh yeah, on a side note, not to speak for PN, but when asked, Philip confirmed PN will make upgrade parts for this car. Yay!

If they make a balldiff, my worries about this car will go away and I will be buying one for sure.

ruf
2008.02.29, 02:32 PM
If they make a balldiff, my worries about this car will go away and I will be buying one for sure.I'm the same way in that I prefer ball diffs, but in my opinion a gear diff is not a deal breaker. I've seen some BALLISTIC 2WD drivers (mainly from Europe) that swear by gear diffs.

LBRC
2008.02.29, 04:18 PM
Been waiting for this car for a long time, still waiting…

Just my opinion, the smaller the car the more important a good ball diff. Especially one that can be easily cleaned, it’s not that they collect more lint and hair just that the hairball is much larger in scale. With both the Epoch and the Lit you're constantly cleaning the diffs (not so easy on and Epoch). Also at this scale the Epoch and Lit diffs just seem to be less efficient, my guess is that again it’s a scale problem shrinking a diff without significantly improving the gear quality makes for a less than smooth, efficient, even cornering car especially when you start modifying the motors.

Not sure how I feel about the battery ending up on top, and sort of disappointed with the capacity too, sure it will be easy enough to upgrade the battery to at least a 12C 200mAh without any modification to the chassis, but the larger the battery the more weight added to the top of the car. On the good side with the PMB coreless motor it won’t need as much capacity, ;) and with two it will haul ass but then you need to worry about how you're going to make the corner if you plan on staying upright and on the track, sort of hoping a good, or better yet a very good, ball differential will help even if only just a little.

rkk
2008.02.29, 11:05 PM
"Not sure how I feel about the battery ending up on top, and sort of disappointed with the capacity too" I was worried about that too. The battery look like a typical cell phone battery. The battery in my phone (BB8300) is 3.7v 1000mah.

rkk
2008.02.29, 11:50 PM
Sorry double post please delete.

LBRC
2008.03.01, 12:17 AM
Looks like we will be explaining small lipo discharge current “C ratings” and cell phone batteries all over again, you can check out micro helo, indoor flyer, Epoch, and even Micro-T forums for people who keep trying/suggesting them and the type of problems they ran into.

To start with that battery in a box is a lot smaller and lighter than it looks, but the real problem is discharge capacity, low current cell phone batteries just don’t do well in high current RC applications.

rkk
2008.03.01, 12:21 PM
I figured someone had looked into it. I was mostly looking at size/capacity. I guess I need to start brushing up on the other smaller scale rcs.

bobbyz
2008.03.05, 01:13 AM
Kyosho dNano site is updated. check it out
http://www.dnano.jp/index.html

looks like just 6 initial cars to choose from, all being MM type, but there will also be RM and HM cars to come in the future just like the Mini-Z line. You can do the currency conversion and it come out to around $160 for 17000yen. I'm still a little unclear about how everything is sold, but I think it will be similar to the new 2.4ghz porsches, where you buy the car and controller separate. Looks like they will become available mid april, so probably mid may for us who are state side. start saving up!!!!

Fovea3d
2008.03.05, 02:16 AM
Thats absolutely amazing! I hope they will perform as well as they look :cool:
I like the tires being more to scale than the Mini-z, its obvious on the side views of the Ferrari F360 and Murcie.
It looks that they also ported the online racing system originally from Core.

Red Team
2008.03.05, 05:59 AM
Thanks bobbyz for the update...as you can see here: http://www.dnano.jp/pinfo/index.html the starter pack - TX, charger and batt. will be sold separate for 11550 yen, starting 18th of April in Japan when Dnano line will be launched !
It seems to me that it will be a good choice to wait and to buy the starter pack to use with Dnano and to use the same TX with MR02 LM...so no need to buy now the 2.4 TX !
Or even better, buy somewhere only the 2.4 board to mount on the MR02 RM or MM and then the Dnano starter pack to get the TX ( with charger and Lipo for Dnano ) ;)

soulstice
2008.03.05, 09:32 AM
Man, these things are crazy fast for their size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGyQ9eY5r68

FF to the end if you want to see how fast they can go.

Looks like they're new timing system(core based?) is finally working. Also seems that you get some kind of "license" that is associated with your car.

Red Team
2008.03.05, 10:33 AM
Pleeease..bring the translator... :D

Man, you really have to have an eye for these cute litlle things !

bobbyz
2008.03.05, 02:14 PM
good gracious, the last 30seconds of the video, they really open these things up and they look fassssst like soulstice said. I am curious to see how much the total timing system will cost.

rharris
2008.03.05, 02:25 PM
Thouse look like a lot of fun. Table top racing at it's best. I don't have all that much space and it would be very cool to be able to set up a nice mini-96 track in my living room. Wish I had not sold that track now :mad:


I can't wait. Thanks for posting the link to the video.

Hammer
2008.03.05, 03:16 PM
Wow, they are fast! I'm glad I still have my mini-96's, you're right Rod these will truly be living room racers. :D

simalive
2008.03.05, 04:54 PM
My tiny basement track suddenly becomes a full-size race track! This is awesome.

I can add bridges...overpass...tunnels..... alternate routes... :D [dreaming...]

Jebroni
2008.03.05, 06:05 PM
I spoke to Core and they said they were away last week in Japan for a meeting with Kyosho, so its all Core based. Question is, will the Core system work with the DNANO licenses or software, etc.

LBRC
2008.03.05, 08:34 PM
DNaNo coreless motor
http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album175/pt_ifrm02_picsub.jpg

Hmm, seen those somewhere before
http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album111/MVC_239L.jpg

Should be fun, how fast is too fast?
http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album119/Jewels400.jpg

Tim Johnson
2008.03.05, 11:25 PM
what toy are those from? :p

LBRC
2008.03.05, 11:46 PM
An old one, but …
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8443467152185546624
not bad for it's day ;)

Mini-Z Lit too
http://lbspd.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album135/SG42.jpg

Should be a lot of fun on a DNaNo.

So how long do we have to wait stateside, and when do we get to see the lap timer?

herman
2008.03.06, 02:13 AM
more on youtube.... man they're faaaaaaaaaaast....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21iBobSSSKg&feature=related

plus a "core" lapcounter to boot... :D
from what i saw on the new website... i think or feel like they're going come up with some sort of hfay system or series of races too...

http://www.dnano.jp/products/circuit.html

herman
2008.03.06, 02:56 AM
hehehe... even an mm, rm and hm configuration...

http://www.dnano.jp/products/detail.html

soulstice
2008.03.06, 08:39 AM
If any of you are in Japan on March 20th, looks like you'll be able to pick up the dnano early if you get in line early enough. 100 Enzo's will be available from the OMOTESANDO store.

Here's all the cars that are in the pipe (Porsche 917!!!):

Ferrari 360 Red
Ferrari 360 Yellow

Ferrari Enzo Black
Ferrari Enzo Red
Ferrari Enzo White

Lamborghini Murcielago Green
Lamborghini Murcielago Orange
Lamborghini Murcielago Yellow

Lancia Delta Red **New**
Lancia Delta White **New**

Mazda 787b Renown

Nissan Skyline R34 GTR Metallic Blue
Nissan Skyline R34 GTR Millenium Jade
Nissan Skyline R34 GTR White

Subaru WRX Sti Blue **New**
Subaru WRX Sti Red **New**
Subaru WRX Sti White **New**

Porsche 917 Gulf **New**
Porsche 917 Shell**New**
Porsche 917 Martini Racing **New**

Porsche 962 Rothmans Racing

Porsche Carrera GT Black
Porsche Carrera GT Silver
Porsche Carrera GT White


Aftermarket Parts:
Bearings
Alloy front end
Some kind of chip(traction control?)
Type S Motor
Bunch of tools specific for dnano

http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/event/presently/dnano_report/report.html

http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/event/presently/dnano_report/images/00-l.jpg

soulstice
2008.03.06, 08:47 AM
Man I am so excited about the 917 I'm posting again. I hope we see autoscale versions of the three dnano variants. Will go great next to my steve mcqueen le mans poster.

piper1944
2008.03.06, 09:27 AM
will we get them in the usa?

rkk
2008.03.06, 09:46 AM
Well, I've identified about 15 I am interested in. Please let there be autoscales.

Hammer
2008.03.06, 10:23 AM
Well, I've identified about 15 I am interested in. Please let there be autoscales.There will definitely be autoscales, the Dnano website already lists some. ;) http://www.dnano.jp/pinfo/index.html

arch2b
2008.03.06, 11:16 AM
i'm looking to get nearly ALL of the lemans bodies! not really interested in the miniture versions of the typical mini-z autsocales, it's the racing bodies that haev got me really excited:p

i wonder if those new lemans bodies are any indication of whats to come for the lm as well?

Ronac
2008.03.06, 11:46 AM
Have you guys looked at the prices for the Autoscales??

They cost more than Mini-Z Autoscales!! :confused:

wight
2008.03.06, 02:18 PM
OMG Porsche 917k's:eek:!!!
That will definately make me want to get one.
I hope they release thes 917's for the 1/28 too.
I like the look of the dnano,it's a great idea,but I think the limited run time puts me off.
I'm used to running my Z for nearly an hour.If it's anything like the micro T run time then I won't bother.Just start enjoying driving it,then the battery goes!
However,battery technology changes for the better all the time.I think the future could be bright for these little critters!:)

Fovea3d
2008.03.06, 02:36 PM
From a friend who was at the Nuremberg show, the runtime was 25mn for 25mn charge. If you have a second lipo battery then its OK. I hope they can last with direct discharge/charge though.
The 917, me too :eek: Hope they make it for the MZ as well.

rharris
2008.03.06, 02:49 PM
From the website, it sure looks like Kyosho is attempting to merge the online virtual and real time R/C experience.

Looks allot like the idea behind HFAY. Looks like Brian was out ahead of the curve.

greekone
2008.03.06, 02:51 PM
Any info on when they're being released in the US?

LBRC
2008.03.06, 05:00 PM
:rolleyes:Toys for business men after a hard day at the office

So you take your car and even your garage :cool: to the bar, club, etc.
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/event/presently/dnano_report/images/24-l.jpg

Of course you need to remember to “recharge” your track/My Lap card as well as your car.
http://www.dnano.jp/products/img/circuit_subpic01.jpg

Don’t forget the high quality pocket tool set and work station w/magnifying glass, not only looks cool but convenient for riding on the train.
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/event/presently/dnano_report/images/22-l.jpg

The next day you wake up to find that your “lap times” for that particular track are posted for the world to see. Hopefully the public page only shows your best laps and not the ones after you started to celebrate besting the boss or track record.

Few questions though, how to handle “gomen” after all if you’ve had one too many and are responsible for trashing Watanabe Sans new Porsche you obviously owe him at least a new Autoscale body…

Fovea3d
2008.03.06, 05:07 PM
I made a slideshow (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/Presentation-DNano/default.htm) out of all the pictures I could find from the presentation. I edited/enhanced some.
Slideshow only works with IE sorry.
@LBRC: cool post :D

Shadow Runner
2008.03.06, 10:03 PM
I made a slideshow (http://alain.galluser.free.fr/Z/Presentation-DNano/default.htm) out of all the pictures I could find from the presentation. I edited/enhanced some.
Slideshow only works with IE sorry.
@LBRC: cool post :D

Ahh, make me open up Internet Explorer to view the slideshow are yah?

herman
2008.03.06, 10:20 PM
waaayyy too cool pics... :D

25 min runtime eh? guess that's good enough... :D might have missed it... anybody know what's the capacity of the lipo batts? and do they come in a higher capacity?

Knacki
2008.03.06, 10:51 PM
Hi,

it is said that they have 130mAh.
Would be interesting to know the Lipo measurements ;)
Guess there should be min. 180 mAh possible.
Much more if you use all the space depending on the body.

My all time favourite 917k will be possibly short wheelbase an less space under the body, I am afraid :(
But let's wait with this speculations until May.
This is the announced release date for the 917k an some other.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjournal.mycom.co.jp%2Fnew s%2F2008%2F03%2F06%2F031%2Findex.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

herman
2008.03.06, 10:58 PM
cool slideshow fovea3d... :D
thanks for the info knacki...:D

bobbyz
2008.03.06, 11:28 PM
here's the last 45ish or so second of the kyosho video debut where they really race the cars. very zippy indeed. enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21iBobSSSKg

herman
2008.03.07, 04:00 AM
here's the last 45ish or so second of the kyosho video debut where they really race the cars. very zippy indeed. enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21iBobSSSKg

looks like the same video posted on post #107 :D

Tim Johnson
2008.03.07, 12:19 PM
hey guys, check out this link. http://www.rceasy.com/2008/03/06/kyosho-dnano-press-conference/#more-11311

Fovea3d
2008.03.07, 01:24 PM
Very interesting. I wonder what is this optional "gyro sensor". Could be some kind of gyroscope like in RC helis that would compensate the steering and so prevent donuts and unwanted variations in trajectory. If this is it, thats smart :D

ruf
2008.03.07, 01:56 PM
Similar to HPI's DBox maybe?

cdog4w
2008.03.07, 02:22 PM
I'm a bit surprised they're doing a gyro unless its not the standard RC Car use. Most times you see it setup to counter-steer for you when the rear end steps out, but since the dnano is intended to run on a high traction surface like RCP that shouldn't happen.

For battery I hope the 1s2p 400mAh (200ea cell) lipos I got for my micro-t will fit. I know I'd have to re-wire the car but worth it to use the lipos I have and since the kit doesn't come with the lipo/charger. Only thing I'd worry about is fitting a deans micro in there as the space will be TIGHT!

Sinister_Y
2008.03.07, 02:24 PM
I know from go-karting that gyroscopes are used to relay telemetry data back to the computer. I remember seeing a dnano car go around the track very slowly in one fo teh posted videos. Anyway, it seemed to be autopiloted. This to me made sense in that the car will record your laps literally, i.e. the actual driving lines, according to the sensor.

Then again, I could be smoking too much crackpipe.

cdog4w
2008.03.07, 02:37 PM
I know from go-karting that gyroscopes are used to relay telemetry data back to the computer. I remember seeing a dnano car go around the track very slowly in one fo teh posted videos. Anyway, it seemed to be autopiloted. This to me made sense in that the car will record your laps literally, i.e. the actual driving lines, according to the sensor.

Then again, I could be smoking too much crackpipe.

Sounds a bit much :) I'd think it would record the driver input to accomplish what you talk about, wouldn't need the gyro. So you'd hook the transmitter up to the PC, drive your laps and have the PC record. It could then play the recording back through the transmitter.

You might be right though in that the gyro could feedback acceleration info to the computer for later viewing...? But that would be more of an accelerometer, not a gyro which generally provides yaw/pitch changes.

akura2
2008.03.08, 02:46 AM
the gyro seems to actually be a stability device for smoother running

"...the player surprised at Stabiriti equipped with the giro high, steady running, too appeared."

in "real" english.... "the driver was surprised by the high stability and handling of the gyro-eqipped cars"

cars this small can be kinda squirrelly, even on high-bite tracks, due to the lack of suspension travel and short wheelbases... a gyro would really help smooth our driver input and keep things fun by preventing unwanted spin-outs and darty handling

akura2
2008.03.08, 02:57 AM
this video's almost 10 minutes long

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OGyQ9eY5r68

EMU
2008.03.08, 03:42 AM
I am really liking these :D

I hope that the bodies that we dont have for Mini-Z will also be licensed and produced in 1/28 clothes. 917... Carrera GT!!!

Would be nice if they were to make unpainted bodies for the Dnano as well. Good times are ahead. Now... time to dig out my Mini-Tile.

akura2
2008.03.09, 03:36 AM
Does anyone know if these are going to be at RCX, or what the US release date is?


I NEED one or two or twelve of these

rharris
2008.03.10, 02:05 AM
Rumor is, we won't see them at RCX.

rkk
2008.03.10, 01:21 PM
The FAQ thread over at dnano.org reports these will only be available in Japan as a test market initially.

akura2
2008.03.10, 02:26 PM
The FAQ thread over at dnano.org reports these will only be available in Japan as a test market initially.



meh...

:mad:

DAMZer
2008.03.10, 06:35 PM
Wow, another drain on the wallet, and the exchange rate is not in our favor:(

Tim Johnson
2008.03.10, 06:40 PM
The FAQ thread over at dnano.org reports these will only be available in Japan as a test market initially.


This is true. Once it ships to the states, there will be something similar to the HFAY set up.

briankstan
2008.03.10, 06:50 PM
This is true. Once it ships to the states, there will be something similar to the HFAY set up.

I'm excited and sadened about this all at the same time.

arch2b
2008.03.10, 07:10 PM
yep, not like hfay will get any credit for making the concept work and a global sucess:(

EMU
2008.03.10, 07:18 PM
I dont think it was a revolutionary idea that the creators of HFAY had when they adapted it to Mini-Z racing. I had been racing time trials on PC games and posting times back in the 90's. So it isnt a new concept, however, it was very well carried out by the HFAY organizers. And I would like to congratulate them on that.

I think it was great that HFAY was created, and would have loved to participate, although I have never had the opportunity, due to limitations of track and timing systems.

One thing that I never agreed with the sort of HFAY system in general, is that every track has a unique grip characteristic. Temperature and humidity also plays a huge role. On a PC game, there is no difference, since the variables should be the same on every computer, unless the physics engine is altered.

With the Dnano's if the track is placed on a hardwood floor, it would have completely different grip than if it were placed on concrete or tiles that wick away the heat faster. I notice a huge difference in grip throughout a night or racing at my local track which is on concrete... As the temperature changes, the grip changes. So what you setup at practice, my not work well in the main. The difference could be very small, but it could also be very large. I know from racing other tracks in the region, that the same setups do not work on each track, and the times for identical layouts will be quite different.

arch2b
2008.03.10, 08:49 PM
re-read my reply...i basically said the same thing you did.

making the concept work and a global sucess

it was very well carried out by the HFAY organizers. And I would like to congratulate them on that.

i never insinuated hfay originating the idea, nor that it was revolutionary. all things being said, it's the closet thing we have to a standard format for mini-z's. agreed'ed, you'll NEVER get the exact same track to behave the EXACT same way everywhere.

the dnano system will have even more of a flawed basis if it's not using atleast a common track surface. times posted will be meaningless essentially because of this. i have not read into the proposed system but if they atleast require an rcp surface and standard layouts, it's got a shot atleast.

rkk
2008.03.10, 09:23 PM
I'm excited and sadened about this all at the same time.


I would think both the Kyosho series and HFAY should be able co-exist. At the club in CO we raced a club series and the HFAY series. Not to mention, Kyosho hasn't announcded anything for 1:28th scale.

LBRC
2008.03.10, 11:02 PM
Just thinking out loud,
but as an arcade concept, which seems to be what they are heading for, it’s pretty simple you don’t really need standardized tracks when you’re talking literally thousands of participants. Instead just an on-line tracking for how you did, or rank if you where fast enough, at any one particular track. For example how you did at this track (http://www.dnano.jp/products/img/circuit_main.jpg) verses a completely different track at some other mall/club/bar etc. in addition too having standardized tracks for the hard core competative racers. The track itself not only generates income but becomes an advertising attraction for what ever business is sponsoring it, hopefully leading to fancier and more exciting tracks for the true coinsure.

It’s likely a better concept for somewhere like Japan, especially in and around Tokyo with the trains, than in the major portion of the non-commuter friendly US. For the US they’d probably try something like trackside racing kiosks at NASCAR events, not my favorite idea but one a friend has been trying to push for years.

Crystal/channel control has always been the major obstacle for the arcade/kiosk racing concept, to be a financial success the uninitiated masses in their hundreds and preferably thousands need to be allowed to play immediately unlike an elitist hobby track where the few and privileged understand that you have to wait your turn. Enter 2.4GHz and pinning transmitters combined with a controllable car that will fit on a small business friendly track instead of one that needs it’s own personal auditorium and 6 corner wardens.

In the end carrying your pocket sized car to the bar/mall wouldn’t be much different than taking your own stick to the pool hall.

briankstan
2008.03.11, 12:55 AM
wow, just a simple statment on my part. I meant it in a good way. Kyosho is far more suited to take the online racing to the next level. Especially because they have control over the end product.

I think the intigration of the transponder into the chassis was a brilliant move. I hope they will do it with the Z as well as the Dnano.

I think with the combination of the cars and standardized tracks likt RCP puts the Z's a step above any other scales. I don't know of any other scale that has the portability of the Z, and RCP tracks.

Our club is sometimes refered to as nomads, we move from location to location depending on availability. could you do that with other scale? Probably not.

The Dnano will just take that to the next level because cars are smaller and so can the tracks.

2EZ
2008.03.11, 12:03 PM
Wow, another drain on the wallet, and the exchange rate is not in our favor:(

Good to see ya back on the board the big cars got too much of your attention
We have a new RCP track here at the Beach and everybody now loves it I like the idea of the new smaller scale and like you see a new drain on my money LOL We need ya to get down here soon.

Slubben
2008.03.11, 02:06 PM
Any idea when these will be available. I was on the web site and I am pretty sure it said that they came out on March 5th. Checked eBay for any and I couldn't find one. Anyone got details...

ruf
2008.03.11, 02:39 PM
Special prerelease of 100 Enzo units at the Kyosho store in Japan on 3/20. Official release on 4/18.

Slubben
2008.03.11, 02:41 PM
thanks those Enzos are sweet looking and the 360 too!

cdog4w
2008.03.11, 07:01 PM
I'm revising my guess on what the gyro will do: I think it will reduce speed to prevent traction rolls. So a bit of a speed governor, but only when necessary. I still don't think it will be put in place to counter-steer for loss of traction (ie. spinouts) as that should be unlikely on the tracks it will run on.

herman
2008.03.12, 06:20 AM
I'm revising my guess on what the gyro will do
huh??? gyro? that thing will have a gyro in it?

how about drift assistance?

November Rain
2008.03.12, 02:21 PM
I'm alittle confused - will the Dnano's be released later this spring in the US or not?

soulstice
2008.03.12, 02:24 PM
I'm alittle confused - will the Dnano's be released later this spring in the US or not?

There's no plans for it to hit stateside as of yet.

They're going to see how well it sells in Japan first and if it does well, we'll see it but no estimate as to when.

November Rain
2008.03.12, 02:27 PM
ok, so we would need to get from overseas. i will need to start working on my contacts to see if they will be in that part of the world any time soon. thx

akura2
2008.03.12, 05:53 PM
huh??? gyro? that thing will have a gyro in it?

how about drift assistance?

http://minizracer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=293512&postcount=134

stevegek
2008.03.13, 09:26 AM
Lets go to Japanese forums and fire them all up to buy loads of them so they're shipped to the US and EUR asap! =)

CANT WAIT DAMN IT. Think I gonna have mine shipped trough e-bay!

soulstice
2008.03.17, 10:42 AM
Just saw the price of the early bird bundled Enzo sets that will be sold early on March 20th.

28,350yen = $291.98!!!!!!

Damn. That is spendy.

pinoyboy
2008.03.17, 10:53 AM
Just saw the price of the early bird bundled Enzo sets that will be sold early on March 20th.

28,350yen = $291.98!!!!!!

Damn. That is spendy.

Thats includes battery and transmitter correct? I guess this is why its not coming directly to the US anytime soon:o

soulstice
2008.03.17, 10:56 AM
Thats includes battery and transmitter correct? I guess this is why its not coming directly to the US anytime soon:o

Yes, that's with the dnano enzo, charger, and kt-18 transmitter.

I don't know if it's because of the weak dollar but that is really expensive.

Hammer
2008.03.17, 11:10 AM
Yes, that's with the dnano enzo, charger, and kt-18 transmitter.

I don't know if it's because of the weak dollar but that is really expensive.The current exchange rate certainly doesn't help. :(

marc
2008.03.18, 12:38 PM
EVERYTHING the lit should have been. not much more i can say...

tim, can't thaink you enough for bringing a ray of sunshine to my day!

absolutley amazing stuff. you can tell kyo to trash the lit, waste of money (at the set retail price) if you ask me. these look to be everything we ahd hoped we would get from the lit.

please let me know when you have even a suggested timeline for release.

epoch who, what?...

Hey, I still enjoy my Lite at the local track. Perhaps the Lite was a secret prototype to the Dnano?

marc
2008.03.18, 12:56 PM
lets just hope that in the near future 1/28 & 1/43 kyosho cars will all be:
brushless--lipo--2.4ghz--timing intgrated.(not that the dnano brushless...yet) I think the new dnano cars are a step in the right direction for the hobby in general and especially smaller scale rc racing. I am very glad i opted for the mini-96 now instead of the 50cm tracks.


You know, that motor that is inside the Dnano, almost look's similar to the brushless motor that is now available for the Micro-T! Possibly? Think about it!

marc
2008.03.18, 01:14 PM
I'm re-enstating my ebay account soon and will be scoping Hobby Japan. They will be first place to get it just like the Lite was.

marc
2008.03.18, 03:27 PM
Now the next thing for Kyosho to do, is a Dnano AWD, Overland, Monster, and F1! LOL!

akura2
2008.03.19, 05:57 PM
Now the next thing for Kyosho to do, is a Dnano AWD, Overland, Monster, and F1! LOL!


Scale F1 would be killer

will3kgt
2008.03.19, 06:11 PM
An F1 Dnano would be sick. Does anyone remember the 1:43 scale DigiQ F1s. Beutiful cars but they weren't proportional.

Hammer
2008.03.19, 06:11 PM
Scale F1 would be killerNow you're talking. :D

will3kgt
2008.03.19, 06:14 PM
The current exchange rate certainly doesn't help. :(

Damn I knew I should've bought silver last year:mad:

TALLGEESE
2008.03.19, 06:33 PM
An F1 Dnano would be sick. Does anyone remember the 1:43 scale DigiQ F1s. Beutiful cars but they weren't proportional.

+1 on the F1 Dnano, I'd love to see one come out.. I still got one of the regular Digi-Q's with the optional fully digital "special" remote.. They were tricky to drive due to the fact that the rear wheels would drive and steer the car.. Another thing that made them challenging to drive was since the car/transmitter were controlled by Infrared{IR}, you had to point the transmitter at the car for it to work while driving it...

rkk
2008.03.19, 07:13 PM
Not looking a gift horse in the mouth but I'd love the F1 as well. I recorded the season opener but haven't watched yet. As far as the Dnano goes I'll just be happy when they make it state side. Tomorrow is the big day I guess, can't wait for the unboxing photos and initial impression posts. Feel like a kid before Christmas.

marc
2008.03.21, 03:48 PM
Hmmm, wow. Sounds like a strong demand for an F1 nano. Anybody any thoughts on an Overland or Monster? Or too close to Micro-T you think? I think an AWD with D1 car's would be sweet. But then again, we already went through the D1 wish list for the MA010 and didn't get much. Still, an AWD Dnano would be sweet, table top drifting, here we come!

rkk
2008.03.22, 06:28 PM
I'm a little suprised we haven't heard anything after the release of the first 100. I wounder how well they sold. I also haven't seen any show up on ebay.

soulstice
2008.03.22, 07:53 PM
I'm a little suprised we haven't heard anything after the release of the first 100. I wounder how well they sold. I also haven't seen any show up on ebay.

You probably won't see any on ebay until the regular release in a month because they only had 100 on hand for this early release and people came far and wide and endured fowl weather to get one. Kyosho gave out reserve tickets at around 6:30am the morning of and started actually selling there allotment at 11:00am. Most people who were lucky enough to get one opened and charge them on the spot and started having impromptu races at the Omotesando Hills store's track with other fellow fans who managed to get one.

http://210.253.122.57/blog/rc/index.php?month=0803&view=0

ocean rodeo
2008.04.03, 11:09 AM
I was told that the Dnano will not be released in the states. Is this true?

Tim Johnson
2008.04.03, 12:08 PM
I was told that the Dnano will not be released in the states. Is this true?

THAT IS NOT TRUE........

The DNANO is currently being tested in the Japanese market before it will be released to the world market.

Tim Johnson
2008.04.03, 07:26 PM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?

soulstice
2008.04.03, 07:37 PM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?

I'll be in California on the 17th. I'd love to check it out.

ruf
2008.04.03, 07:52 PM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?I'll be in Lake Forest in about 1 hour. I'm bringing a taser and leaving the engine running... :D

briankstan
2008.04.03, 07:55 PM
I'll be there on the 18th, 19th and 20th. I'd like to see one? any chance you will have a display at RCX?

marc
2008.04.03, 08:04 PM
Hi there, I'm also planning on being at the RCX convention and I would love to see the Dnano. Would it be available for purchase there?

Hammer
2008.04.03, 08:15 PM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?I'm in California and would love to see a DNANO! :eek:

akura2
2008.04.03, 08:43 PM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?

That's a silly question... I'm in Los Angeles(Working) and I live IN Paramount (north of Long Beach)


I WANNA SEE THE DNANO


it's so crazy.. I saw the HPI 1/43 scale die-cast cars (the Mazda and the Porsche) and looking at the static model and imagining driving it... I can't wait

What's the deal.. what are you considering?

Action B
2008.04.03, 09:20 PM
Who wants to sign up for the FET upgrade on that thing?

schmenzer
2008.04.03, 09:58 PM
I'm not in California but I'd love to see them at the iHobby Show in Chicago.

Greg
Mini Speedway

mikez
2008.04.03, 10:33 PM
lets c it!:D

ocean rodeo
2008.04.03, 10:52 PM
I want a Dnano:D but I guess I can just look at one

rkk
2008.04.04, 12:19 AM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?
Thats just mean...
:D

rharris
2008.04.04, 12:40 AM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?

Just name the time and place.

herman
2008.04.04, 04:49 AM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?
hmm... i used to live in california.... does that count? :D

hmm... hmm... hmmm.... i guess i'll have to settle for pics at the moment... :D

RussF
2008.04.04, 10:57 AM
I will be at RCX. Just to see it would be cool. To see it in action even better. To get to try it would be awesome. And to get to buy one in advance of the general US release would be killer.

akura2
2008.04.04, 10:31 PM
He drops the bomb on us and then disappears....:(


lol

:)

Tim Johnson
2008.04.06, 01:39 PM
He drops the bomb on us and then disappears....:(


lol

:)

;) ..........................................

marc
2008.04.06, 02:01 PM
So, is it only available in Japan right now, and if so are there any web sites where I can order one from? I really want one badly!

briankstan
2008.04.06, 05:09 PM
it was my understanding that only 100 or so were released. if you can get one of those die hards that stood in line for all day to get one of the 100 to sell one than your are in luck. :p

I would imagine once they are released in bulk you will see them available at the Japanese stores.

Tim, What is the initial response from those that did get them? I'd love to see review if anyone has a link to one in English. :cool:

marc
2008.04.06, 11:13 PM
I bet they were a big hit. Probably more so than the Lite.

akura2
2008.04.07, 01:39 AM
;) ..........................................


thats's not fair.... hook us up with more details!!! :D


don't let me get B. Norris on you.... he's a friend of mine :D

Action B
2008.04.07, 08:48 AM
don't let me get B. Norris on you.... he's a friend of mine :D

If you said Chuck Norris, that comment would have been a lot more scary.

Draconious
2008.04.07, 02:52 PM
Kyosho needs to let one go as a prize at the mini-z / RCP / RCX Race ;)

cjm_2007
2008.04.07, 05:40 PM
the dnano looks absolutely amazing. I want three.

where and when can I splash the cash?

marc
2008.04.08, 11:53 AM
I love Chuck Norris, I watch Texas Ranger all the time!
I really, really, really want a Dnano!

herman
2008.04.08, 10:53 PM
everybody... bang your hands on your table and stomp your feet...

we want a dnano... now!
we want a dnano... now!
we want a dnano... now!

:D

mikez
2008.04.08, 10:56 PM
^^^ it dident work :D

herman
2008.04.08, 11:54 PM
^^^ it dident work :D

dang?!?! maybe we can all do it again tommorow... :D

HaCo
2008.04.09, 04:44 AM
dNano Gyro Unit:
http://kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/parts_images/DNW107.jpg
http://kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/newparts.html

myscoobysti
2008.04.09, 04:53 AM
dNano Gyro Unit:
http://kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/parts_images/DNW107.jpg
http://kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/newparts.html

Cool!!:eek: Can this make the car go sideways??

If only they'd stop teasing us and start selling it already.:(

imxlr8ed
2008.04.09, 08:27 AM
Man... they're going all out for these. There's even little DNano surgery tables on that page!

http://kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/newparts.html

marc
2008.04.09, 12:28 PM
dNano Gyro Unit:
http://kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/parts_images/DNW107.jpg
http://kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/newparts.html

What does the gyro do exactly?

marc
2008.04.09, 12:29 PM
everybody... bang your hands on your table and stomp your feet...

we want a dnano... now!
we want a dnano... now!
we want a dnano... now!

:D

I WANT A DNANO....NOW!
I WANT A DNANO....NOW!
I WANT A DNANO....NOW!
RIGHT NOW!
YES, NOW!

Hammer
2008.04.09, 12:49 PM
What does the gyro do exactly?My guess would be to add stability. With such a small scale and therefore short wheelbase, the tendency would be to spin out a lot. The gyro should help prevent that.

marc
2008.04.09, 02:00 PM
Could the gyro be adapted to MR02? Wonder how helpfull it really is. Is the gyro a standard or an option parts?

ocean rodeo
2008.04.09, 11:15 PM
Would it be crazy to go to Japan to buy a few Dnanos?

cjm_2007
2008.04.10, 03:12 AM
i've always wanted to go to japan - this could be the perfect excuse :)

but i'd find it difficult to justify going for a weekend when it's a 9 hour flight.

and - it's sods law - you'll crash the dnano and need spares at some point.

I can't believe no one has managed to find a japanese supplier willing to export? if they are on general sale, it should be straightforward.

Action B
2008.04.10, 03:18 AM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?

Your sig... its funny to me because I HAVE to buy my parts online because the local hobby shops will not carry parts for Mini-zs. Our club keeps requesting them.

Nic-Z
2008.04.11, 01:15 PM
Who in California would like to see the DNANO?

Describe "see" does that mean in 3D in person, to venture a little further, touch and drive? let me know if I we can drive it becuase, I will need to bring an extra pair of pants at RCX. :rolleyes:

Nic-Z
2008.04.11, 01:16 PM
on another point, from what I understand Dnanos are released in Japan only and in limited numbers (100 or so), so if I were to offer 400 dollars to some lucky person in Japan that is reading this forum that has a Dnano would that person sell it to me?:D or is this a question more along the lines of 'if a tree fell in a forest' Come on guys I've resorted to cheap imitations to appease my need for a Dnano http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/1/thumb_1_29_03_08_11_23_22.jpg

I want a Dnano.
I want a Dnano.
I want a Dnano. pretty please

soulstice
2008.04.11, 01:32 PM
on another point, from what I understand Dnanos are released in Japan only and in limited numbers (100 or so), so if I were to offer 400 dollars to some lucky person in Japan that is reading this forum that has a Dnano would that person sell it to me?:D or is this a question more along the lines of 'if a tree fell in a forest' Come on guys I've resorted to cheap imitations to appease my need for a Dnano http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/1/thumb_1_29_03_08_11_23_22.jpg

I want a Dnano.
I want a Dnano.
I want a Dnano. pretty please

Hey Nick, the 100 were for an early release last month for people who wanted it very badly. I doubt anyone would sell it to you. In 7 days, they should be more widely available in japan and you may start seeing some pop up on ebay. Just keep in mind that the list price I saw was around $280!

Tim Johnson
2008.04.11, 01:45 PM
You only look. No touch!


Joking aside.

The DNANO will be displayed at RCX next week. We will have a track set up for demos only.

soulstice
2008.04.11, 01:49 PM
You only look. No touch!


Joking aside.

The DNANO will be displayed at RCX next week. We will have a track set up for demos only.

Thanks for letting us know Tim! This is great RCX is getting better and better.

Nic-Z
2008.04.11, 03:53 PM
SS- Thanks for the heads up, 280 list price, not bad I was expecting a little less but since they are comming out in bigger numbers in a week, I will keep my 400 and wait for those little hot cakes to pop up on the bay, so help whoever bids against me I have very deep pockets......okay so I don't but my wife does..lol

Thanks Tim, I just soiled my pants.
joking aside.

This is my 1st RCX and am very much looking foward to the long drive to get there.

Tim Johnson
2008.04.11, 04:06 PM
Bring your camera. Kyosho will be featuring lots of eye Kandy of both plasticie and fleshie variety

briankstan
2008.04.11, 04:09 PM
Bring your camera. Kyosho will be featuring lots of eye Kandy of both plasticie and fleshie variety

:eek::eek::eek: don't do that, my wife might see this. I didn't want her to know. lol.

all kidding aside. that's FANTASTIC !!

Nic-Z
2008.04.11, 04:27 PM
Bring your camera. Kyosho will be featuring lots of eye Kandy of both plasticie and fleshie variety

RCX checklist: Camera, Wifes check book, Spare shorts, anything else?

RCPMini-z
2008.04.11, 04:32 PM
Bring your camera. Kyosho will be featuring lots of eye Kandy of both plasticie and fleshie variety

I can attest. I witnessed first hand the Kyosho "fleshie" on Monday at Kyosho central and all I can say is.....WOW!. :D:D:D

Oh ya, the "plasticie" was OK too.

I didn't see this guy "Tim Johnson" there. I asked around, but no one new of him. Not sure if he really works for Kyosho. Can anyone confirm or deny this? :)

RCPMini-z
2008.04.11, 05:05 PM
RCX checklist: Camera, Wifes check book, Spare shorts, anything else?

Mad skills, if your competing in the RCP West Coast Challenge races. The drivers list is filled with some of the best.

mini-z
2008.04.11, 05:40 PM
I can't believe no one has managed to find a japanese supplier willing to export? if they are on general sale, it should be straightforward.

From dNaNo.org (http://dNaNo.org):

http://tinyrc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203529#post203529

;)

imxlr8ed
2008.04.11, 10:09 PM
I would guess that Kyosho is planning to release each Dnano with a specific un-editable "VIN" number in the transponder, is that correct Tim? I would also guess that it will be read through the built in Core with an editable driver or owner registration. This is all too cool for words, but I'm also guessing that that Kyosho is planning to do something for specific track layouts too... will this be in concert with RCP's existing product lines? (Mini 96 for example)

Many questions... I'm hoping whoever gets to go to RCX will dig deeply for the rest of us. (I picture a smoky interrogation room scene with one of the Kyosho reps ;) talk damn you!... TALK! :D)

marc
2008.04.11, 10:35 PM
I repeat,
I WANT A DNANO!
I WANT A DNANO!
I WANT A DNANO!
And please, release the same AutoScales you have in 1/28 scale for the 1/43 scale! Lot's of cars would be awesome at this size!

HaCo
2008.04.13, 02:10 PM
A very nice promotion video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N5f9EUZWtw

marc
2008.04.13, 07:46 PM
Did I mention I wanted one? :D

evoraptor
2008.04.16, 02:01 AM
I'll be sure to bring a camera to RCX this weekend. Benefits of living in southern California!

herman
2008.04.16, 03:11 AM
don't forget to post em pics!!!! :D

imxlr8ed
2008.04.16, 05:06 PM
I would guess that Kyosho is planning to release each Dnano with a specific un-editable "VIN" number in the transponder, is that correct Tim? I would also guess that it will be read through the built in Core with an editable driver or owner registration. This is all too cool for words, but I'm also guessing that that Kyosho is planning to do something for specific track layouts too... will this be in concert with RCP's existing product lines? (Mini 96 for example)

I will take the silence as a yes on these questions.

myscoobysti
2008.04.17, 06:14 AM
Guys, I just got a reply and it doesn't sound good to me....SH#T!


Thank you for your mail.
We are sorry, we can't get the Kyosho Dnano.
It looked like, the Kyosho want to sell it
another methods than before.
Kyosho does not distribute like our shop and
they want to sell directory to customers from
their direct shop only.

We are sorry,

PRO-SHOP FUTABA

RCPMini-z
2008.04.17, 09:52 AM
I'll be sure to bring a camera to RCX this weekend. Benefits of living in southern California!

Finished the dNaNo track for the Kyosho booth yesterday. Got in some good testing. This will be the best RCX event to date for those that are thinking of making the trip. You won't be disappointed.

Mini-zracer and RCP Tracks have joined forces in a brand new project that will be released at the RCX show this weekend. Stay tuned for all the details. :)

FYI, I can't disclose any details on the dNaNo car or project do to non-disclosure agreements. No need to PM or email asking for them. Just thought I'd let you know for those that have already asked or who may be thinking of sending PM/email on the subject. You can go to RCX and get all the details or wait for posts in the Mini-zracer live updates thread straight from the show this weekend.

marc
2008.04.17, 12:55 PM
Guys, I just got a reply and it doesn't sound good to me....SH#T!


Thank you for your mail.
We are sorry, we can't get the Kyosho Dnano.
It looked like, the Kyosho want to sell it
another methods than before.
Kyosho does not distribute like our shop and
they want to sell directory to customers from
their direct shop only.

We are sorry,

PRO-SHOP FUTABA

What??????????????

Jebroni
2008.04.17, 03:12 PM
What??????????????

I told you guys this earlier on in the thread, but did anyone listen, nooooooooooooooo.....

:eek::mad::(

marc
2008.04.17, 03:14 PM
Listen? Listen to what? You mean, read? Anyway, there's alway's the interenet and you know it'll be on ebay.

Jebroni
2008.04.17, 03:17 PM
Listen? Listen to what? You mean, read? Anyway, there's alway's the interenet and you know it'll be on ebay.

Touche my good man..:) I know... I hope the gougers on Ebay dont take it overboard though, whats your take, Marc?

briankstan
2008.04.17, 03:25 PM
I'm not to worried about it. I'm sure when Kyosho releases them in the US they will be available for everyone.

you have to remember that they aren't even available yet. they are still on limited release.


Time will tell. Just them being displayed at RXC is a good sign.

marc
2008.04.17, 04:22 PM
Touche my good man..:) I know... I hope the gougers on Ebay dont take it overboard though, whats your take, Marc?

I think it'll be the same price as the Lite was when it first came out. Around 200, some ebay seller's may raise that price, I dont' know. I was informed by Hobby Japan that they probably won't have it available as it would only be sold by Kyosho retailer's. I dont' understand their response since they sell a ton of Kyosho Mini-Z product's. I still say they have the best collection on line as they usually carry over 100 AutoScales in stock! And usually around 5 each!

myscoobysti
2008.04.17, 05:13 PM
I think that they'll be on ebay pretty soon coz they are already selling in online at the Dnano Online shop. Too bad they don't ship internationally.:(

marc
2008.04.17, 06:09 PM
Well, I started up a new PayPal account and now just waiting for CC approval. Hopefully I'll be able to afford one when they are released on ebay. I SOOOOOO want one! Wait, did I say one? I mean, a few! LOL!

mferrini
2008.04.17, 08:47 PM
somebody want a dnano?

http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2008/04/17/kyosho_01.jpg

kja812
2008.04.17, 08:56 PM
Sweeeeet display.

marc
2008.04.17, 09:02 PM
somebody want a dnano?

http://robot.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2008/04/17/kyosho_01.jpg

Droooooooooooooooooooool, slobber, ggggggggggggggggg, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMDnano. Yummy.
Did I mention I want a Dnano? :):):):):):):p:p:p

Jebroni
2008.04.18, 07:22 AM
I got 250.00 for a Dnano!!!!!!!!! CMON PEOPLE!!!!! MUHAHAAHAHAHAAH, PM ME IF YOU GOT ONE FOOLZ!!!! 250.00 BONES!!!

el oh el. I am insane