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marc
2008.04.06, 03:57 PM
Hey guy's! Guess what? I was just looking at Mini-Z Bar.com and came across this killer ride. It look's like somebody actually built the 6 wheeled F1! I wonder how the heck they pulled this one off?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/6wheeler.jpg

I'd love to hear from this guy..................Kyosho, take note!

briankstan
2008.04.06, 06:05 PM
interesting, Why would someone do this? I doubt it would improve proformance. Lucks kind of cool none the less. ;)

it looks like they intigrated the Racer series front end times 2 with a F1 back.

soulstice
2008.04.06, 06:41 PM
interesting, Why would someone do this? I doubt it would improve proformance. Lucks kind of cool none the less. ;)

it looks like they intigrated the Racer series front end times 2 with a F1 back.

This is not just a frankenstein creation. They're trying to make the tyrrell p34. The idea of the smaller front tires was to increase air penetration and have a smaller 'frontal area' which would reduce drag. It won a race here and there but it didn't prove to be a dominating factor in racing. It has however been remade multiple times in toy form since it's so unique.

marc
2008.04.06, 10:15 PM
From what I remember, this design was so good that it was actually banned from the races. I could be wrong, but that's what I heard. I wonder how it handles on the track in this size.
Yes, there have been bigger RC's of this, as well as model's, but there has not been anything the size of a Mini-Z. I'd like to know how he connected the two front steering systems together.

HammerZ
2008.04.06, 11:33 PM
I have a Tamiya 1/10 version of the Tyrrell P34, a modified F103RS chassis. Handling wise it is quite a handfull. All I done with it mostly was tool up and down my driveway with it. The Tamiya uses links on the inside of the knuckles to connect the front to the second set, and then the second set is connected to the servo. It would be nice to see how this one is done. The P34 was the only six wheeled F1 car that competed and won a race. Most other six wheeled cars never made it past the concept stage.

The Tamiya.
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1132/medium/Tyrrell_P34_01.jpg

You can find some good stuff on this car from searching the web. I did have one good site if I can find the link.

Fish
2008.04.07, 02:25 PM
From what I remember, this design was so good that it was actually banned from the races. I could be wrong, but that's what I heard. I wonder how it handles on the track in this size.

Actually, the P34 didn't do so well. It won one race, and then was abandoned at the end of the season. The whole four small wheels in front thing was actually an attempt at better aerodynamics, just like Soulstice said.

There was a different 6-wheeler built by Williams in the 80's, with 2 sets of wheels on the back, set up like a dually truck. That one went really fast in testing and broke track records. The FIA immediately responded with a 4 wheels only rule, and that's the way it's been ever since.

ruf
2008.04.07, 02:38 PM
I <heart> Williams...

HammerZ
2008.04.07, 05:51 PM
I think at the time the rules speced a set rear track width and nothing about the front width. The design as already covered was for low wind resistance. The FIA responded by setting rules for the front track width. And with moving the front wheels out it lost the straightline speed advantage. That and at the time the tire issues that was faced for the front tires being special made for this one car.

http://www.project34.co.uk/
Here's that link I found with some good info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrell_P34
Wikipedia page.

http://www.forix.com/8w/sixwheelers.html
Another page I found.

imxlr8ed
2008.04.08, 12:27 AM
So I guess if I'm running 30s on the front of my regular 4 wheeler now... I would have to find some 60s for the front of this beast! (twice the traction up front... right?:rolleyes:) Very cool ride... but I'd hate to have to figure out a setup for it. I have enough trouble with just 4 wheels.

marc
2008.04.09, 01:06 PM
Still would make a very cool limited edition F1 Mini-Z. I think it would be highly collectible and highly sought after.

HammerZ
2008.04.09, 08:52 PM
I think the biggest hurdle is the fact that this would be a one off deal. Marketing wise how many of these would Kyosho have to sell to make up the R&D costs. Maybe if it was a modified MR02 LM based chassis, I can picture an H shaped steering plate to turn all four front tires at the same time.

marc
2008.05.07, 07:35 PM
So I checked Mini-ZBar today, and I found more pictures of this great creation! All photographs are curtisy of Mini-ZBar.com Enjoy!
It look's like they did some serious MR02 modifications!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/img1551.jpg
Two set's of front steering mechanism's connected together.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/img1552.jpg
Under carriage.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/img1553.jpg
Rear suspension extender.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/img1554.jpg
Body work.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/img1555.jpg
Pretty sweet craftsmanship here. I wonder how well it handles or if he just did this for show.

bda52
2008.05.26, 12:11 AM
Found a cool video of Jackie Stewart (to me still the greatest F1 driver ever) driving the P34. I preferred the first version of the car myself.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wprbq1Z_Vts

akura2
2008.05.26, 11:06 AM
check this out...
http://www.ccn3.aitai.ne.jp/~chevron/cyber-2shot.gif
http://www.geocities.jp/wrfyt827/GT-6con.JPG


http://www.ccn3.aitai.ne.jp/~chevron/cyber-series.htm

Blackno3
2008.05.30, 01:16 AM
That 6 Wheeler F1 Mini-Z is totally sick, I love it. When I was a little kid my father took me to Watkins Glen NY for what was then called (a Grand Prix Race) and the time the two 6 Wheeler elf cars were my favorites (Cars with 6 Wheels + kid = Cool = favorites) they were just amazing to watch going around the track.

I love the simplicity of how the two sets for front wheels are linked up with this Mini-Z mod. If I try to do one Id glue and screw the steering linkage together (maybe?) and Id trash an MR2 top plate to keep the front steering knuckles from popping off.

Arch2b was putting together a 1/32 scale Mini-Z cassis conversion kit from Europe that used slot car bodies years ago. It came with smaller rims and tires, I bet that four of those front rims and tires would make this mod look totally scale.

Blackno3
2008.05.30, 01:18 AM
Bda52 (Jim) please shoot me an Email my friend (Via my web site, I have a new email do to spam, just go to contact) it’s been a long time since I heard from you. If you were not happy with the trade we made (new mr02 iwaver for a used overland) then please let me know and please keep in mind that it was a new Iwaver that I never put batteries in.

You’re the only question mark that I have in my online life, I’ve never had anyone that was unhappy with a deal that I made (website or ebay) and I never used that overland. It’s
Still sitting on the shelf were I set it when I received it. So shoot me an Email, I’ll send the overland back to you, it’s been a few years and I miss your views on real racing.

For anyone that is reading this Jim is the one who wrought. (((Tips and tricks for painting professional looking lexan bodies))) and I still consider him a good friend.

Blackno3
2008.05.30, 01:44 AM
That 6 Wheeler F1 Mini-Z is totally sick, I love it. When I was a little kid my father took me to Watkins Glen NY for what was then called (a Grand Prix Race) and the time the two 6 Wheeler elf cars were my favorites (Cars with 6 Wheels + kid = Cool = favorites) they were just amazing to watch going around the track.

I love the simplicity of how the two sets for front wheels are linked up with this Mini-Z mod. If I try to do one Id glue and screw the steering linkage together (maybe?) and Id trash an MR2 top plate to keep the front steering knuckles from popping off.

Arch2b was putting together a 1/32 scale Mini-Z cassis conversion kit from Europe that used slot car bodies years ago. It came with smaller rims and tires, I bet that four of those front rims and tires would make this mod look totally scale.

sporadicidiocy
2008.11.08, 07:31 PM
check this out...
http://www.ccn3.aitai.ne.jp/~chevron/cyber-2shot.gif
http://www.geocities.jp/wrfyt827/GT-6con.JPG


http://www.ccn3.aitai.ne.jp/~chevron/cyber-series.htm

Wow, thanks, I didn't even know that existed.

I'd love to get my hands on the Asurada.

Though that'll have to wait.. I just spent a bunch on the new TT-01E GT-R with hopups and new BL setup for my old TA-05.

marc
2008.11.21, 12:00 PM
Wow, I just finished watching Speed Channel and they had some vintage racing going on at Laguna Sega this year with some vintage F1 cars including this six wheeler and it finished first place! Car look's absolutely amazing on the track and it was awesome watching it race even today!
This was not like watching an old black/white race, this race was held earlier this year at Laguna. Check out Speed Channel, they've been showing alot of vintage car races that were held this year at Laguna Sega. The six wheeler was simply awesome!