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DJ Kyosho
2008.04.25, 05:59 PM
Well, here it is, a new motor mount with the motor laying flat just like the 2.4ghz cars.
http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/images/MR2288S.jpg (http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3608)
http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/images/MR2288B.jpg (http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3609)
http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/images/MR2288.jpg (http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3610)

DJ Kyosho
2008.04.25, 06:04 PM
http://pnracing.us/MR2288/MR2288-1.JPG
http://pnracing.us/MR2288/MR2288-2.JPG
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http://pnracing.us/MR2288/MR2288-4.JPG
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pinoyboy
2008.04.25, 06:51 PM
that mount looks pretty awesome:eek:. I think I might have to pick one up:D

DJ Kyosho
2008.04.25, 07:22 PM
more pics...
http://www.pnracing.us/new/news_image/20080425-142953-1.jpg
http://www.pnracing.us/new/news_image/20080425-142953-2.jpg

DJ Kyosho
2008.04.25, 07:32 PM
another...
http://www.pnracing.us/new/news_image/20080425-142954-3.jpg

pchan0
2008.04.26, 01:53 AM
You're crazy PN! sick!

I'll run a MR-02 just for that mount.:)

rharris
2008.04.26, 02:08 AM
LOL... yea I saw that on PN's personal Pan car at the RCX show. All I can say is that thing looks pretty darn freaking cool and I want an orange one. :D

NOMOTORLIMIT
2008.04.26, 03:13 AM
I got to take a look at the V3 mount this afternoon. Phillip should have taken a picture from the bottom, because I noticed the motor lays even with the chassis. There are two set screws that allow you to lower the motor, where it's even to the chassis, and I believe you can also raise it up about 1 mm higher than the chassis. To replace pinions, there are two allen screws: 1 on top, and 1 on the bottom, then the motor comes off.

NOMOTORLIMIT
2008.04.26, 03:15 AM
To the best of my knowledge, you can also use this for the 102 chassis.

EMU
2008.04.26, 04:24 AM
To the best of my knowledge, you can also use this for the 102 chassis.
In the pic it states 102mm damper position :p

Seems quite similar to the PN F1 mount. I may need to order...

Davey G
2008.04.26, 07:59 AM
Looks pretty cool, I would have liked to have seen less material up top and more on the bottom. None the less, another great product from PN.

pinoyboy
2008.04.26, 08:27 AM
Does anyone have pics of using the rear holes on the motor mount for a "wire type spoiler"?:confused:

I know they had those on the V2 mount too, I just had no idea what they were for.

CristianTabush
2008.04.26, 11:50 AM
Some racers like to use a wing bolted directly to the rear mount, like 1/10 Pan Cars used to have a long time ago. This is why Philip put the set screws holes there.

I saw the motor mount as well. It gives a totally different look to the MR-02. I do have to credit the Spanish Mechanical Engineering student we met in Portugal for the design though... Philip took pictures and integrated the F1 style motor mount system to it, but everything else is identical to the one Phil and I took pictures of...

color01
2008.04.26, 02:57 PM
They went through all that trouble to lower the motor, but didn't provide diff axle height adjusters to lower the entire pod! :D

Aside from that it looks pretty good, almost like a 12th-scale pod but in one piece for stiffness. Kudos to the student who designed it!

tribe
2008.04.26, 10:12 PM
Any plans for a 94 mm version?

EMU
2008.04.27, 12:27 AM
The one thing that it is lacking is the adjustable diff axle height...

I wonder if a 94mm version would be possible... with the motor in the high position, above the t-plate holder...

color01
2008.04.27, 12:38 AM
You'd have to lean the motor back, by which point it may interfere with the disk damper mount, and by which point the CG may be no better than the new Atomic mount.

benmlee
2008.04.27, 03:24 PM
I saw the motor mount as well. It gives a totally different look to the MR-02. I do have to credit the Spanish Mechanical Engineering student we met in Portugal for the design though... Philip took pictures and integrated the F1 style motor mount system to it, but everything else is identical to the one Phil and I took pictures of...

Spanish engineering student was probably not the first to come up with the low motor mount. Kyosho already had the LM mount. If anything, Spanish student might have copied Kyosho. PN too already had the F1 motor mount, which put the motor as low as the bottom of the chassis, same as with LM mount. Heck, even I suggested to Phil at PN to lay the motor down in the mount almost a year ago.

There were two major problems with the low motor mount configuration that had to be solved. One is the motor screws. With the motor laying down, the aft motor screw will be covered by the diff. You can only tighten one screw when adjusting gear mesh. You have to take off the diff to tighten the second. When you tighten the second screw, motor position may change and screw up the gear mesh adjustment, so you have to start over again. It can become a hellacious adjustment process.

Second problem is you can only use up to 9T pinion. If you look at the Kyosho LM mount, 9T pinion already puts the motor up against the H-Plate. You may not be able to run larger gears or some of the 64 pitch gears configurations.

Kyosho solved the first problem by not using motor screws. The stock mount also do not use higher than 9T pinion.

PN solved both problems by use of the motor plate, so you have full access to gear mesh adjustment. With an added bonus, as people found out, the motor plate is precision machined, so gear mesh adjustment is way faster and easier than normal. Motor plate also allow the motor to have a high and low position so when using large gears, you can place the motor in higher position to clear the H-plate. These innovations made this low CG configuration practical.

color01
2008.04.27, 06:37 PM
You can also do it GPM-style (clips on rails), and put the screws on the bottom of the pod. This method is similar to Kyosho's in not requiring drilled motors, and IMO holds the motor more securely relative to the pod, but has the disadvantage of having to tighten both clips to adjust mesh.

CristianTabush
2008.04.28, 12:52 AM
Sorry Ben, but the LM was a long way from being released by Kyosho. This guy came up with it at the begining of 2007. Sure Kyosho may have been prototyping then, but in Portugal last year, the LMs were just a rumor, much less January 07. Credit still goes to him, just wanted to add that. I was present, and actually introduced Philip to the design as the young man showed it to me before he did to Philip.

As for the F1 mount, it wasn't available in October last year, Philip was prototyping it as we discussed the design at the PNWC. Innovation goes to PN for incorporating both designs, but it does not take away from the fact that the IDEA was from this kid. I just want to give credit where credit is due. I personally saw Philip take the pictures of his motor pod period. PN coming out with it does not negate the innovation, but it is a copy nonetheless. The Pod looks so similar, it isn't even funny. And to ass, NOBODY and I say NOBODY had seen the LM mount at the time.

benmlee
2008.04.28, 04:27 PM
Sorry Ben, but the LM was a long way from being released by Kyosho. This guy came up with it at the begining of 2007. Sure Kyosho may have been prototyping then, but in Portugal last year, the LMs were just a rumor, much less January 07. Credit still goes to him, just wanted to add that. I was present, and actually introduced Philip to the design as the young man showed it to me before he did to Philip.


Ok, he probably beat me to it. I started drawing up a mount like this in Feb 2007. Didn't have the resource to machine it, so showed it to Phil. He did not appear to be interested in it at that time. I then bought an Atomic MM mount with the intent of hacking it and patching it with JB Weld to make this mount. The Atomic MM mount has a wider frame that a motor can fit lower. When the mount came, it looked too nice to risk destroying. JB weld is somwhat an insulation like plastic, and don't conduct heat away from the motor as well as aluminum. That would have limited motor performance, so the project was scrapped. Congratulation to the Spanish student for sticking to it, and making it work.
This goes on to show sometimes several people may have similar ideas at the same time. They say if you have an idea you can retire on, make sure to file with the patent office first. However, a motor mount for mini-z is not one of those ideas to retire on :(

ruf
2008.04.29, 06:18 AM
Blah. "But all the belt-drive TC's look the same!" hahaha! A common saying that we have in product development (my 9 to 5 job...) is "There's no such thing as an original idea." There are just too many people in the world, and often times there are only very few ways to solve a problem.

Kudos to Philip and Ben and co. for the bottom mount system first launched in the F1 mount. It's pretty darned ingenious, and it what makes the PN mount worthwhile in my opinion. The visual aspect of the top of the mount is drawn directly from the Spanish dude and that's cool too, so long as credit for the aesthetics is given.

bobbyz
2008.05.04, 03:34 PM
what shaft does this motor mount work with? the standard mr02 shaft, or the new shaft that comes on the 2.4ghz cars? thanks

DJ Kyosho
2008.05.04, 03:44 PM
what shaft does this motor mount work with? the standard mr02 shaft, or the new shaft that comes on the 2.4ghz cars? thanks

Standard MR-02.

rc100722
2008.05.04, 04:21 PM
i got one and let me say the car feels better i had the v2 low cg mount and that was good too but little by little pn comes out with a better mount

bobbyz
2008.05.04, 09:18 PM
thanks, good to know

Sinister_Y
2008.05.29, 09:21 AM
All,

I've been running this mount for the last couple of weeks and for my setup, it's too heavy, it's like running a RM car but for MM. During sweepers, the car tends to roll too much loosing traction (i.e. leaning too much) and then for any turns where the car was rear loaded and now needs to turn, it tends to push going into the corner. Although there maybe questions regarding my setup, i.e. too hard a front spring causing initial understeer or even too soft a front spring, which results in rolling over front tire, causing initial understeer; that is not the case, the setup is good. In fact what helped in last night's race at zzhobby was to switch to wider front rim offset and narrower rear offset. This confirms that for me this mount doesn't work as well as thought.

Note on a side note that PN will be releasing their 94-98 LCG soon (I hear it is in production as I write this) which should work perfectly for me as it will have less material (meaning less weight) and should fix the issue I'm personally having.

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.29, 12:58 PM
I love this motorpod, when i first seen it, it gave me a idea, set it up like a 1/12 scale set up.

my first test was at a short track at Hot wheel hobbyRC, in New jersey . the car was GREAT, hook up in the rear real good ,just had alittle push in the turn,

2nd test was at Action RC in staten inland new york. with an fast and sharp turn track , WoW . what i can say is , the car was glued to the track, and i had old kyosho wide 20's, i think this PN motorpod is great, but if you have the right set-up .i guess you have to just play with your car to get things right.:D

http://a797.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_6b703af166375200a0afb8af7b706afc.jpg

http://a405.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_e420aa2bd2dc67c66fe25e0987fde794.jpg

http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_fb86908d220779f4b951887fec3e9bad.jpg

http://a743.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/113/l_c635526dbf4820726142e186317ce2ce.jpg

http://a957.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_3ca262f88ae12d508db912bfbf710c4c.jpg

pedrocamp
2008.05.29, 01:06 PM
Pretty cool looking Tommy!

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.29, 01:10 PM
I love this motorpod, when i first seen it, it gave me a idea, set it up like a 1/12 scale set up.

my first test was at a short track at Hot wheel hobbyRC, in New jersey . the car was GREAT, hook up in the rear real good ,just had alittle push in the turn,

2nd test was at Action RC in staten inland new york. with an fast and sharp turn track , WoW . what i can say is , the car was glued to the track, and i had old kyosho wide 20's, i think this PN motorpod is great, but if you have the right set-up .i guess you have to just play with your car to get things right.:D

http://a797.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_6b703af166375200a0afb8af7b706afc.jpg

http://a405.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_e420aa2bd2dc67c66fe25e0987fde794.jpg

http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_fb86908d220779f4b951887fec3e9bad.jpg

http://a743.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/113/l_c635526dbf4820726142e186317ce2ce.jpg

http://a957.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_3ca262f88ae12d508db912bfbf710c4c.jpg

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.29, 01:14 PM
sorry about the posted everyone, this is a better view



http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_fb86908d220779f4b951887fec3e9bad.jpg

http://a797.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_6b703af166375200a0afb8af7b706afc.jpg

pedrocamp
2008.05.29, 01:15 PM
Still cool looking Tommy!

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.29, 01:19 PM
sorry about the posted everyone, this is a better view



http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_fb86908d220779f4b951887fec3e9bad.jpg

http://a797.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_6b703af166375200a0afb8af7b706afc.jpg

http://a405.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_e420aa2bd2dc67c66fe25e0987fde794.jpg

http://a743.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/113/l_c635526dbf4820726142e186317ce2ce.jpg

http://a957.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_3ca262f88ae12d508db912bfbf710c4c.jpg

Tjay
2008.05.29, 02:22 PM
That is some phat motor wires! I've never seen those before...

... nice lookin car! I like the spoiler as well! Very nice!

Tjay
2008.05.29, 02:24 PM
All,

I've been running this mount for the last couple of weeks and for my setup, it's too heavy, it's like running a RM car but for MM. During sweepers, the car tends to roll too much loosing traction (i.e. leaning too much) and then for any turns where the car was rear loaded and now needs to turn, it tends to push going into the corner. Although there maybe questions regarding my setup, i.e. too hard a front spring causing initial understeer or even too soft a front spring, which results in rolling over front tire, causing initial understeer; that is not the case, the setup is good. In fact what helped in last night's race at zzhobby was to switch to wider front rim offset and narrower rear offset. This confirms that for me this mount doesn't work as well as thought.

Note on a side note that PN will be releasing their 94-98 LCG soon (I hear it is in production as I write this) which should work perfectly for me as it will have less material (meaning less weight) and should fix the issue I'm personally having.

That's good to know. Thanks! This is just for 102mm or 98mm right?

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.30, 10:30 AM
That's good to know. Thanks! This is just for 102mm or 98mm right?

hey TJ , this car is set up for 102mm , i have plans to run it at Al's big race in Action RC in staten inland. i here your not going to make the race, it would been nice to see you and Dave G go at it on the track , two good drivers . but back to that Motor pod, I think PN came out with a good motor pod,

mleemor60
2008.05.30, 11:06 AM
Car looks really good. When do I get my wing?

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.30, 11:24 AM
Car looks really good. When do I get my wing?

Mike . i can make you a Wing anytime you like , i will make anything for you my friend:D

mleemor60
2008.05.30, 11:40 AM
Mike . i can make you a Wing anytime you like , i will make anything for you my friend:D

Just like the one in the pictures please. But keep the bile green paint. I prefer bile yellow.

Tjay
2008.05.30, 12:24 PM
hey TJ , this car is set up for 102mm , i have plans to run it at Al's big race in Action RC in staten inland. i here your not going to make the race, it would been nice to see you and Dave G go at it on the track , two good drivers . but back to that Motor pod, I think PN came out with a good motor pod,

Hi Tommy,

Yeah, unfortunately I have a wedding to attend to but trust me I do not want to be there at all! I'm kind of pissed that I have to go but o well... I'd doubt me and teammate Dave G will go at it. He'd probably just lap me. Seeing the way he drives :).

Dave, I'm trying 98mm McLaren tonight w/ your set-up. Hope it works!

F_Zero
2008.05.30, 12:42 PM
Honestly. I don't like the look. I'd like to just see a lower square design with a small motor mount.

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.30, 03:32 PM
Honestly. I don't like the look. I'd like to just see a lower square design with a small motor mount.

sorry if it does not work with you about my wing mount. it was just a idea. just gave it a 1/12 scale look,Everybody can like this motorpod or hate, but just gave a idea to get a wing on the Motorpod, :D



http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_fb86908d220779f4b951887fec3e9bad.jpg

http://a797.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_6b703af166375200a0afb8af7b706afc.jpg

VAzRACER
2008.05.30, 04:05 PM
In he back of the PN MM motor mounts there are 2 threaded holes, those are actually put there to mount a wing to, like 12th scale. I'm not knocking your design, I like it, just thought I'd let everyone know. I am thinking about doing this too since the wing on my Mazda has broken off three times already.

Mounting the wing to the motor mount is the best way to add down force to your car simply because it puts pressure directly on the tires instead of putting it on the suspension.

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.30, 04:14 PM
In he back of the PN MM motor mounts there are 2 threaded holes, those are actually put there to mount a wing to, like 12th scale. I'm not knocking your design, I like it, just thought I'd let everyone know. I am thinking about doing this too since the wing on my Mazda has broken off three times already.

Mounting the wing to the motor mount is the best way to add down force to your car simply because it puts pressure directly on the tires instead of putting it on the suspension.

thanks VAzRACER

i know what you mean by the two holes in the back of the motor pod, i also seen them on two type of driffurt pods to, i just did not want to cut up the back of a body, i just made two holes and that is it .but this motorpod is cool looking, the even funny thing is i weight the car to, its 188grams.

Felix2010
2008.05.30, 07:56 PM
tommy_greeneyes - I like your wing design a lot, it suits the Mazda Le Mans Cars very well. Your wing seems like it really does provide some good downforce. And it looks great too, Very cool.:D I never thought about hooking up a wing that way to the new PN V3-LCG FM mount.

VAzRACER - I would like to attach a wing directly to my PN V3-FM motor mount using the 2 threaded wing-holes that PN drilled there in the back, but I do not know how to do this. I just can't figure it out, and I haven't seen anyone mount a wing to a PN mount this way yet. It would be nice to put those 2 wing-holes to use. If you mount-up a wing on the PN pod I would really like to see how you do it. Thanks:D

tommy_greeneyes
2008.05.31, 03:10 PM
[QUOTE=Felix2010;304644]tommy_greeneyes - I like your wing design a lot, it suits the Mazda Le Mans Cars very well. Your wing seems like it really does provide some good downforce. And it looks great too, Very cool.:D I never thought about hooking up a wing that way to the new PN V3-LCG FM mount.

thanks Felix2010

i think some racer forget ,you need to get the downforce on them rear wheels, when i came up with this idea, i was thinking of my days when i use to race 1/12 scale cars like the 12L. and we had a wing in the back just the same way like i have here. i know someone well come out with something like this soon, I have been making lexan wings for mini-z for 2 years now,and every type of diffurent wing i have made, for someone, they loved them.

Falfa
2008.06.01, 08:36 AM
This reminds me of Jim halls Chaprall from can-am which was one of the first cars with wings.
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/hologram100.jpg

Mid 68 they also took this to F1. These was originally very high mounted and tended to fall off, which was why they were banned. These were also from the start mounted to the suspension now they must be rigidly fixed to the chassis.

Also something I'vent seen yet in RC are ground effect cars. Un 1978 the lotus car was first with ground effects designed by Colin Chapman. By turning the underside of the car into a inverted wing. Key to this was side skirts.

November Rain
2008.06.05, 10:47 PM
Tommy - I picked up two Mazda bodies tonight at Al's. What do I need to be able to run this on my MR02? None of the multi-length dampers seem to work - or do I need the new LM motor mount?

Thanks,

Jeff

EMU
2008.06.06, 02:56 AM
If you use a standard MM or ML mount, you would need a 102mm damper plate from Atomic. I havent figured out the best option for a top shock for this setup, but I plan to...

For the PN LCG mounts, you could use a 98mm damper plate or PN ML. The Nascar mount also works, but uses a 94mm damper plate.

I have 3 102mm MR02's set up, one with the FM-V3, one with the 102mm Nascar and one with the Atomic 94mm vIII mount and 102mm damper (which is my mod car).

Without the LM motormount, you have to use different offset wheels. 3mm wide in the rear, and 1 or 2mm narrow for the front.

JoeOvercoat
2008.06.08, 08:40 PM
The wing looks great - and looks like just what it needs to be & where it needs to be if it is going to provide any downforce at all.

Have you noticed any change in skid pad performance? Does it seem like it does provide downforce on the rear end [as a wing] or pull the whole car down by pulling air from under the car [as a spoiler]?

Mini-Zs seem too slow for aero effects (anything under 40 mph/60 kph), but there is an old post on the forum @ http://www.minizworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=795 that has at least one believer in low-speed effects on slicks. And, some racers report that some bodies, like the Mclaren, seem to stick better at speed, compared to others. It certainly would be interesting to put some strain gauges on those wing mounts...(or mount one on springs and see if it bends them...).

mleemor60
2008.06.09, 06:17 AM
This reminds me of Jim halls Chaprall from can-am which was one of the first cars with wings.
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/hologram100.jpg

Mid 68 they also took this to F1. These was originally very high mounted and tended to fall off, which was why they were banned. These were also from the start mounted to the suspension now they must be rigidly fixed to the chassis.

Also something I'vent seen yet in RC are ground effect cars. Un 1978 the lotus car was first with ground effects designed by Colin Chapman. By turning the underside of the car into a inverted wing. Key to this was side skirts.

It should because it is. The first Jim Hall set up used a wing that deflected down on deceleration to add braking force as well as downforce. It was this action that was ultimately banned as a moveable aerodynamic device.

mleemor60
2008.06.09, 06:19 AM
This reminds me of Jim halls Chaprall from can-am which was one of the first cars with wings.
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/hologram100.jpg

Mid 68 they also took this to F1. These was originally very high mounted and tended to fall off, which was why they were banned. These were also from the start mounted to the suspension now they must be rigidly fixed to the chassis.

Also something I'vent seen yet in RC are ground effect cars. Un 1978 the lotus car was first with ground effects designed by Colin Chapman. By turning the underside of the car into a inverted wing. Key to this was side skirts.

It should because it is. The first Jim Hall set up used a wing that deflected down on deceleration to add braking force as well as downforce. It was this action that was ultimately banned as a moveable aerodynamic device. I think that this is Hap Sharp driving the 65, Jim drove the 66

tommy_greeneyes
2008.06.09, 12:36 PM
The wing looks great - and looks like just what it needs to be & where it needs to be if it is going to provide any downforce at all.

Have you noticed any change in skid pad performance? Does it seem like it does provide downforce on the rear end [as a wing] or pull the whole car down by pulling air from under the car [as a spoiler]?

Mini-Zs seem too slow for aero effects (anything under 40 mph/60 kph), but there is an old post on the forum @ http://www.minizworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=795 that has at least one believer in low-speed effects on slicks. And, some racers report that some bodies, like the Mclaren, seem to stick better at speed, compared to others. It certainly would be interesting to put some strain gauges on those wing mounts...(or mount one on springs and see if it bends them...).

I am alway doing some type of testing, and from me making this wing,i have good rear downforce,as of now the next time i get on the track,i will be working on the front springs or find some front downforce. i just think it will come down to if i like the way it drive , it be good to me , not like of people can like my settings,

Breeze
2008.06.09, 02:04 PM
The wing looks great - and looks like just what it needs to be & where it needs to be if it is going to provide any downforce at all.

Have you noticed any change in skid pad performance? Does it seem like it does provide downforce on the rear end [as a wing] or pull the whole car down by pulling air from under the car [as a spoiler]?

Mini-Zs seem too slow for aero effects (anything under 40 mph/60 kph), but there is an old post on the forum @ http://www.minizworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=795 that has at least one believer in low-speed effects on slicks. And, some racers report that some bodies, like the Mclaren, seem to stick better at speed, compared to others. It certainly would be interesting to put some strain gauges on those wing mounts...(or mount one on springs and see if it bends them...).

I can assure that aero does have a large affect, even at this small scale and relatively low speed.

tommy_greeneyes
2008.06.10, 11:04 AM
I can assure that aero does have a large affect, even at this small scale and relatively low speed.

Hey Lara
yes your so right about( even at this small scale and relatively low speed )
aero is a big thing. everyone alway trying all types of mini-z bodys and to find out. one body can make your car push in the turns. and a diffurt body can maybe have the car LOSE, so having a wing on your car can be a big help. but remeber set up your car right,


i just like to tell Phil and PN thank you for making this Motorpod, http://www.pnracing.us/new/news_image/20080425-142953-1.jpg?r=27





but me looking at this motorpod give me this idea to my car
http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/m_fb86908d220779f4b951887fec3e9bad.jpg

http://a797.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/m_6b703af166375200a0afb8af7b706afc.jpg

marc
2008.06.10, 11:52 AM
This reminds me of Jim halls Chaprall from can-am which was one of the first cars with wings.
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/hologram100.jpg

Mid 68 they also took this to F1. These was originally very high mounted and tended to fall off, which was why they were banned. These were also from the start mounted to the suspension now they must be rigidly fixed to the chassis.

Also something I'vent seen yet in RC are ground effect cars. Un 1978 the lotus car was first with ground effects designed by Colin Chapman. By turning the underside of the car into a inverted wing. Key to this was side skirts.

I just saw those car's a few month's back at an oil-museum in Middleton "SP?"
Texas. Awesome cars! Picked up a 1/43 die-cast model of one at the museum's gift shop. Would be sweet Mini-Z bodies.

marc
2008.06.10, 11:54 AM
Question, I plan on rebuilding my MR02 2.4 car using the orange/green Mazda, what exactly is the PN aluminum motor mount I need for this body? Would like orange alloy. Also, what other part's do I need to go with the motor mount to make the car stick? Such as disk-damper, rear shock, or whatever? Can somebody give me a list of parts?

Tsal
2008.06.24, 10:22 PM
Question, I plan on rebuilding my MR02 2.4 car using the orange/green Mazda, what exactly is the PN aluminum motor mount I need for this body? Would like orange alloy. Also, what other part's do I need to go with the motor mount to make the car stick? Such as disk-damper, rear shock, or whatever? Can somebody give me a list of parts? The mr-02 v2 lower gravity mount will fit but you need to use either the pn 64pitch diff or any other aftermarket ball diff. The 2.4 diff will not fit the mount, also you will need 3 degree offset rims to have the same tire width as the LM and the T-plate set. Hope this helps.

marc
2008.06.24, 10:47 PM
Thank's but I've decided to convert it for Murcielago use and I'll be useing the Reflex Racing MR02 package when budget allow's.

Tsal
2008.06.28, 08:18 PM
The new PN lower mount is is really trick! I just changed over on Friday from the ML and my car is even more planted.

ShortBus
2008.07.31, 09:42 AM
Tommy - I noticed that you are using the atomic adjustable rear shock on your setup. if you don't mind me asking - are you running that in the 94mm or 98mm setting? I can't find a happy medium with mine and when I use the 98mm extension it seems to hit the tower too soon.

tommy_greeneyes
2008.07.31, 10:12 AM
Tommy - I noticed that you are using the atomic adjustable rear shock on your setup. if you don't mind me asking - are you running that in the 94mm or 98mm setting? I can't find a happy medium with mine and when I use the 98mm extension it seems to hit the tower too soon.

hey jeff
i am not running that set-up anymore, that was a 102 mm set up for the 787Mazda. it will be better if you go to an 98mm ,the car feels better, i am not useing the wing to, by far this motor pod is a good one, i am running one in my nascar and my MR-02 car

tommy_greeneyes
2008.07.31, 10:14 AM
oh by the way I am not running the atomic adjustable rear shock anymore,

mleemor60
2008.07.31, 12:31 PM
Send me the wing and the shock assembly

ShortBus
2008.07.31, 02:23 PM
but...... when you were running the mazda body with the rear adjustable shock - where you using the 94 or 98mm black ball cap?

i didn't know you could run this motor mount as a 98mm? i guess you tuck it in close to the chassis like you would for the 94mm setup?

EMU
2008.07.31, 04:34 PM
When using this mount on the 98mm wheelbase, you have to use a 94mm damper setup. 102mm wheelbase uses the 98mm damper setup.

CristianTabush
2008.07.31, 04:59 PM
When using this mount on the 98mm wheelbase, you have to use a 94mm damper setup. 102mm wheelbase uses the 98mm damper setup.

Not necessarily. You can use the 98mm wheelbase with the 98mm plate at the top if you use the opposite hole...

EMU
2008.07.31, 05:10 PM
Thanks for the correction ;) I didnt have it in front of me. I was just going off memory, and havent been racing for a few weeks..

DJ Kyosho
2008.07.31, 06:53 PM
Not necessarily. You can use the 98mm wheelbase with the 98mm plate at the top if you use the opposite hole...

Is there any difference in performance using the 98mm dps VS. a 94 DPS on a 98mm car? I've always used the 98 DPS just because I have it.