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crazyracer
2008.06.02, 06:08 PM
Japanese Setting Guide
http://www.pnracing.us/ics_setting_guide.pdf

vol. 2008 May Software
Engliash Version Software 2.4 ASF (http://www.pnracing.us/MiniZ_ASF_ICS_manager.exe)

You need to buy KO Propo ICS USB Adapter [Parts # 61018]
http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=33&products_id=2723
http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/images/KPP61018.jpg

mk2kompressor
2008.06.02, 06:47 PM
exellent work!
i have the cable and usb already:)

Volt
2008.06.02, 07:21 PM
So this will allow I.C.S. settings adjustment for both the ASF Z and the dNaNo?

Do you happen to have a link to the manual or a screen shot showing some of the different settings? Like the guide linked above only in English. ;)

mk2kompressor
2008.06.02, 07:47 PM
its very similar to the AD band settings you can find the english version on the ko usa site:)

HaCo
2008.06.03, 03:20 AM
Hi,

Just want to share some experiences.

The manual says something about manipulating the switch and the pushbutton with batteries when you connect the car to the PC. Well, we found out (actually WeBoC did) that this is not necessary. You don't need the batteries and if you have them in, keep the switch off. Simply use the 3-wire cable provided with the KO kit and this will supply voltage to the board. Press the button, keep it pressed down and connect the cable to the board. The LED light next to the connector needs to be bright and you can start programming.

About the settings, this is what I fount on the KO Propo website about the old ICS adapter: http://www.kopropo.com/MINIZ_HG_MGR%20Ver1.0_E.pdf


GAIN(gain) --> Steering
The characteristic of the steering servo is changed. The maintenance characteristic changed is the power that starts the holding position of the servo when power is applied.A setting value of 3 (High) can be switched to 1 (Low). The characteristic being changed is the amount of power that is applied at the starting position of the servo when force is applied.
SPEED(speed) --> Steering
This is the speed that the servo will operate. A setting value of 3 (High) can be switched to 1 (Low). The operation speed of the servo changes depending on a setting value.
PUNCH(punch) --> Steering
This is the reactive speed of the initial movement of the servo. A setting value of 10 (High) can be switched to 1 (Low). A low setting value creates a movement in the servo similar to an analog servo. A low setting value might be good when the movement of the steering wheel is too sensitive and hard to control.
DEAD BAND(dead band) --> Steering
This is the setting of the neutral band of the servo. A setting value of 1 (Low) can be switched to 5 (High). If the value is small, the dead band becomes small and the movement of the servo becomes sensitive.
DUMP(dampening) --> Steering
The characteristic of the servo stopping at center can be adjusted. As the movement of the servo returns to the center, setting 1 applies a brake in the approach to center and setting 2 applies a brake at center.
DRIVE FREQ(drive frequency) --> Throttle
The drive frequency of the throttle can be changed to three settings. The frequency of the entire throttle advancement changes. In general, run-time decreases though the torque increases in the low frequency setting (value Low).

This if for the OLD ICS version with some other values, but the explanation still counts. I added 'steering' or 'throttle', to quickly show you which setting is for what.

So, what is still missing and from my experience:
NUTRAL --> Throttle
It's the same as 'Dead Band', but then for throttle. Applying the narrow setting didn't allow me to get in reverse anymore, probably a problem of trimming. The wide should allow you to get more easily in reverse. But that is just a consequence of the setting. The setting itself makes your throttle more or less sensitive. (this is my explination, not the one of KO Propo)

V INERTIA (Virtual Inertia) --> Throttle
This is something quite special. It gives you the feeling, when releasing the throttle at some speed, that your car is heavier than it is. This means it will roll a lot more far then it would normally do. Setting this off, will give you, that is my impression, the normal roll of the car. This setting is IMO very handy with motors with strong magnets on big tracks: you will have the torque and it will brake less the car when releasing the throttle. (this is my explination, not the one of KO Propo)



For the V Inertia setting I wish they added a -1 value, some sort of 10% autobrake, but that is not the case. I would come in handy in narrow track when using an X-Speed motor, which doesn't brake very well by itself.

This is just from our (WeBoC and myself) first testevening, so a lot more ideas will pop up I guess...

Greetz from Belgium. :)

mk2kompressor
2008.06.03, 10:16 AM
v inertia sounds very interesting,ideal for my awd;)

color01
2008.06.03, 01:51 PM
That does sound interesting, kinda like setting the throttle trim forward except more carefully managed. :)

crazyracer, is there any word about whether or not we can tune-out the ASF board's 0.2sec delay between brake and reverse? That's been the most annoying problem with the whole system thus far, I'd love to fix it somehow.

crazyracer
2008.06.04, 03:12 AM
That does sound interesting, kinda like setting the throttle trim forward except more carefully managed. :)

crazyracer, is there any word about whether or not we can tune-out the ASF board's 0.2sec delay between brake and reverse? That's been the most annoying problem with the whole system thus far, I'd love to fix it somehow.


I can't find any setting can change dealy time of reverse, I had talk with KO, they said will add in to software, may be on next version, this version is 1.0.

Sinister_Y
2008.06.04, 08:18 AM
In case anyone would like a step by step instruction on this, please read below. Note that you have to get the KO Propo ICS USB Adapter:

For newbies without AD Band programming experience and have not installed anything yet:

1. download program as noted by crazyracer in 1st post. Ignore the one on the CD from KO
2. plug in ICS USB adapter into computer (that is already turned on)
3. when asked by windows for drivers, insert CD from KO and browse for the driver folder. Select it and move on with the various instructions
4. computer will then alert that a new serial USB device was found. this is the adapter again. repeat step 3 above. The computer should now alert you that "your new hardware is ready to use"
5. go to start, control panel, system and then select the "hardware" tab.
6. select "device manager" and then search for the ICS USB adapter. Note the COM number that the computer is showing. For my personal case, it was COM 3, yours may vary.
7. follow step 3 onwards in the "For Ad-band experienced users" section below

For AD-band experienced users:

1. delete your old version of the KO program in your computer
2. download the new program as noted by crazyracer in 1st post
3. run the program. Note-as you already know the COM port that the ICS adapter is on from before, select it in the drop down menu
4. make sure there are batteries in the car (from my experience I couldn't get it to work like a previous post had suggested)
5. plug in the ICS adapter into the 2.4 board (car). Make sure that the white wire is the one at the front end of the car and that you plug into the right most set of pins (3 pins) of the board.
6. hold down the pairing button while turning on the power of the car. The light on the board should be brightly lit.
7. use the software as needed. consult the previous posts on the various settings

Good luck.

P.S. note that the computer icon with the right pointed arrow is the "download" command, i.e. write the settings to the car. Note that if you want to reset the settings in the board, you must first reset the software settings by pressing the "reset" button and then download it to the car. Then everything is fresh.

For newbies, note that from my experience you must always select the COM port setting in the ICS software everytime you start the program up. I don't know of a way to save this. So don't freak out if things aren't working. Make sure that the COM port is selected correctly.

imxlr8ed
2008.06.04, 10:19 AM
Drag braking would be a great addition, but I know for sure that the reverse delay is the biggest reason that I would be interested in getting the kit. Hopefully our guys at KO Propo can get this going for us.

Aurora
2008.06.04, 11:40 AM
Thanks for sharing the info and software, crazyracer, that's very kind of you! :)

At first, I have heard rumor that the old ICS program will work with the board, even using the three pins of the socket. I tried, but no luck. I guessed what was missing in my trial was the process of 'pairing' when turning 'on' the car.

But this new program and the process work like a charm. The interface works very much like the BET AD band (miniz lit) ICS program.


In case any KO people are reading, I too like to cast another vote to adjust the 0.2 reverse delay. That was the main reason why I am quite reluctant to use this new technology for racing in my local track point-series.

Every feature on 2.4G is well suited for race (no interference, longer range, lower car profile, faster response...), and I just really really wish they could fix the 0.2 sec delay soon!

Tjay
2008.06.04, 01:08 PM
Thanks for sharing the info guys!

crazyracer
2008.06.19, 12:32 AM
you just use setting Nutral to Wide, that will be easy to reverse.

limbohz
2008.07.10, 11:39 PM
very nice. hey TJ you got one of these? bring it tomorrow (friday) :p

Tjay
2008.07.11, 02:55 AM
^ I wish brotha!

cowboysir
2008.11.25, 01:28 AM
Two things:

I bought this from a member here and i finally got around to noticing the plugs are different from AD to ASF...what do I do for my ASF boards?

if I can actually make it work, does crazyracer's suggestion of switching from Nutral to Wide fix the reverse delay inherint in the ASF board?

Slipstream
2008.11.25, 02:00 AM
Do you have the AD 3 pin plug

26134

or the 2.4 4 pin plug?

26133

Hope the pictures help you figure it out.

yasuji
2008.11.25, 02:16 AM
Two things:

I bought this from a member here and i finally got around to noticing the plugs are different from AD to ASF...what do I do for my ASF boards?

if I can actually make it work, does crazyracer's suggestion of switching from Nutral to Wide fix the reverse delay inherint in the ASF board?

use the three pins to the rear of the car
moving to wide does not fix it but makes it easier to find true neutral there for making it easier to find reverse there is still a delay

CristianTabush
2008.11.25, 03:03 PM
I actually find it easier to find reverse by decreasing the dead band. If you increase the deadband, all you end up having is a sloppy throttle feel on the bottom end. Of course with Grant that doesn't matter since he's full punch everywhere ;)

lugnutz
2008.11.25, 04:19 PM
i messed around with one of my cars and i'm going to have to agree with Christian,the feel for reverse with a smaller deadband was better

cowboysir
2008.11.25, 05:38 PM
I actually find it easier to find reverse by decreasing the dead band. If you increase the deadband, all you end up having is a sloppy throttle feel on the bottom end. Of course with Grant that doesn't matter since he's full punch everywhere ;)

1. Is 'deadband' an ICS function or is it something I can find as adjustment on my Futaba 3pk?

2.Which is it...increase or decrease?(you mention both in your post, christian)

Cherub1m
2008.12.01, 12:24 AM
1. Is 'deadband' an ICS function or is it something I can find as adjustment on my Futaba 3pk?

2.Which is it...increase or decrease?(you mention both in your post, christian)

Also, does increase mean "Wide" and decrease mean "Narrow" because the ICS software settings are Narrow, Mid, Wide. I can give a good guess but I would rather not, especially when messing with the PCB settings :D

yasuji
2008.12.01, 03:07 AM
ct and lug.....read my post....i said to move NEUTRAL from mid to wide... :rolleyes:
i have never played around with the dead band....but the neutral...wider gives me a WIDER a more positive neutral there for making it easier to find reverse if it is narrow the neutral point is so small that u have to remove your fingrt so that itll center @ the neutral point....i have no problems finding revers w/a kt 18
set @ mid or a ex1-ur or mars set @ wide...
i will try messing around with the dead band setting...;)

CristianTabush
2008.12.01, 11:49 AM
Correct me if I am wrong Grant, since I have not seen the programming software in a while. Isn't "dead band" on the software a steering adjustment and neutral a throttle adjustment. If that is the case, I meant neutral to the narrow setting... Typically dead band is referred to on the throttle and not steering in other scales since servos weren't adjustable back then...

lugnutz
2008.12.01, 04:47 PM
ct and lug.....read my post....i said to move NEUTRAL from mid to wide... :rolleyes:
i have never played around with the dead band....but the neutral...wider gives me a WIDER a more positive neutral there for making it easier to find reverse if it is narrow the neutral point is so small that u have to remove your fingrt so that itll center @ the neutral point....i have no problems finding revers w/a kt 18
set @ mid or a ex1-ur or mars set @ wide...
i will try messing around with the dead band setting...;)

oops you are correct i was thinking of it backwards when i wrote it

Cherub1m
2008.12.01, 07:26 PM
I copied this straight from the kyosho manual. I could not upload the pdf file, since it exceeded the alloted file size. I was able to upload a picture of the set up window of the Miniz ASF Manager V1.0.

Have fun :D


・GAIN
Changes the characteristics of the steering servo.
Adjust settings left to right on the screen from Min,
Med, Strong. This setting controls the strength the
servo uses to retain its current position in
response to external force.

・SPEED (Servo Speed)
Adjusts the speed at when the servo responds to
transmitter signals. Adjust settings left to right on the
screen from Slow, 2, 3, 4, Fast to set the servo
response speed.

・PNCH (Punch)
Sets the servo’ s initial response speed. Settings
from 1 (low) to 10 (High) are available. Lower
settings are similar to analog servo movement. If
steering control is too sharp and makes control
difficult, try a lower setting.

・D.BAND (Dead Band)
This sets the width that initiates servo response to
external force. Narrow, Mid and Wide settings are
available. Adjust from right to left on the screen to reduce
the width of the dead band and thereby increase the
sensitivity of the servo's movement to external force.

・DUMP (Dumping)
This sets the characteristics of the servo when it is
stopped. Smooth setting brakes the servo to stop
just before the target position, while Over setting
brakes the servo on the target position so it goes
slightly past and then returns.

・D.FREQ (Motor Drive Frequency)
Sets the motor drive frequency on the throttle to
5kHz, 2.5kHz or1.2kHz. Changes the frequency of
the entire throttle input side. Generally speaking,
lower frequency settings produce higher torque
and lower energy efficiency.

・NUTRAL (Neutral)
Adjust the width of the neutral area for the throttle
trigger. Narrow, Mid and Wide settings available.
Settings to the left side of the screen are for
narrower neutral width settings.

・V.INERTIA (Virtual Inertia Control Change Ratio)
Adjusts the distance the model travels after the
throttle has been released. Five stage settings
from Strong, 2, 3, 4, and OFF are available.
Inertia settings increase from right to left with
OFF setting removing any control for maximum
inertia. Small RC models can stop quickly when
the throttle is released so this feature enables
you to find a more natural feeling. This is called
Virtual Inertia Control.

・COM(M)
Specifies the USB port number used by the
software on the computer. If switched OFF or the
specified port number is incorrect, connection with
the model is not possible. Check the connection
port by referring to ‘Checking COM Port’ .

lugnutz
2008.12.01, 08:25 PM
thanks phillip

cowboysir
2008.12.15, 02:58 PM
Hey guys,

I just thought I'd update by saying I got around to installing my ICS equipment and trying the suggested Nutral setting change from "middle" to "wide" to improve the reverse function...

Works like a freaking charm.:D

LED
2009.04.09, 12:13 PM
Just a post to keep track of the thread.

edhchoe
2009.04.10, 11:58 AM
Isn't drag braking adjustable on the Tx? Push the trigger forward and press the adjustment button up. There are like 12 steps, right?

Slipstream
2009.04.10, 01:18 PM
Isn't drag braking adjustable on the Tx? Push the trigger forward and press the adjustment button up. There are like 12 steps, right?

You could end up with no reverse.

edhchoe
2009.04.10, 01:48 PM
if you adjusted it without pushing the trigger forward imo...