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Hammer
2008.06.04, 07:22 PM
When I discovered the Kyosho Caliber 150 as discussed here kyosho's 2.4ghz minimum review... (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28621) I became interested in these very small helicopters and I found the Walkera HM 4#3.

This Walkera HM 4#3 is very cool, slightly smaller with a main rotor that is 180mm as compared to the Caliber 150's 198mm main rotor, it has a fully functional fixed pitch control system similar to what Kyosho will be offering with the Caliber 150.

I just received the Walkera HM 4#3 and I must say I'm very impressed! :D

The box is very small!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm431.jpg

What's included in the box.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm432.jpg

The Walkera HM 4#3 along side my CHP cruiser.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm433.jpg

Close up of the tail rotor.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm434.jpg

Closer shot of the chopper.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm435.jpg

Close up of the main rotor control system.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm436.jpg

I have quite a few spare parts coming as well, so I hope to be able to learn to fly this with those replacement parts and much patience. It should be fun though! :)

I'll post more pics and videos as I learn low to fly the little guy in the next day or two. ;)

Walkera just released a new 2.4 GHz version of this helicopter, the HM 4#3B. I found a 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgrade Edition which has an alloy upgrade for the entire flight control system, extremely cool. I have one of these on the way, I just can't resist. :p

I hope to have enough experience with these to be able to give a good review of these and be able to give a good comparison with the Caliber 150. I will definitely be purchasing one of those when they are available at the shop here, probably sometime in September.

anarchydude
2008.06.04, 07:35 PM
When I used to work at the local Hobbytown, we had a heli regular who had bought the coaxial version of Walkera's micro heli. It was sweet to see it fly! I'm glad to see they came out with a 2.4 version of them.. I'd love to get my hands on one of them!

I belive BP Hobbies has Walkera parts in stock.

herman
2008.06.05, 01:40 AM
will be waiting for the review.. :D
how much run... er i mean fly time does it have?

cdog4w
2008.06.05, 04:39 PM
You should hit rcgroups.com and look up user "thesteve" as he has done some amazing mods to the 4#3 helis. His bird is running spektrum (with mods to the receiver to run on 1c lipo), and a brushless main rotor (using the micro-t 1/36 Xcelerin brushless motor).

mk2kompressor
2008.06.05, 04:50 PM
WOW i had a larger version(dragonfly i think)that looks exactly the same but alot smaller,i want one too:(

Hammer
2008.06.05, 08:08 PM
This is a very cool helicopter! It will take a little time to learn to fly, even with quite a bit of experience with real helicopters while in the service, RC Helis are a whole new ball game, however if you take the time to learn how to fly these, I feel it will be well worth your effort. :D

I've been working in the office today and have had time during breaks to go thru 5 battery charges, about 45 minutes of flying time, and I've just leaned how to hover. ;)

I created a landing pan on our king sized bed in the master bedroom, which has very a high ceiling and a lot of area for flying, it's not far away as my office is in the house. This is a perfect surface for practice as soft landings are great, :) just have to remove the landing pad before my wife gets home. ;)

This helicopter is very smooth and quiet while flying which is very nice. :cool:

I'll post movies soon. :D

herman
2008.06.05, 11:29 PM
You should hit rcgroups.com and look up user "thesteve" as he has done some amazing mods to the 4#3 helis.

haven't seen his posts yet... took a look into some forums.... and experienced some brain freeze... from too much overload... hehehe...

pomme de terre
2008.06.06, 01:29 AM
Just wondering, how much did it cost you?

Hammer
2008.06.06, 07:59 AM
Just wondering, how much did it cost you?122 USD shipped USPS Priority Mail from a US dealer. ;)

Hammer
2008.06.08, 10:50 AM
This has been a lot of fun to learn to fly, it's so small yet flies very realistically, it will take some flight time to master, however, the investment in flight training will be well worth the effort in the long run. ;)

Weight of the Walkera 4#3 without battery pack.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm437.jpg

Weight of the Walkera 4#3 with battery pack.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm438.jpg

This helicopter is very durable and has taken some very hard impacts with no damage, just make a few adjustments and you're back in the air. Unfortunately I'm going to have to suspend my flight training. I was getting a bit bold and was flying rather high and just nicked a wall fairly high up, about 12 feet. The heli then slid down the wall, tail down. It came to rest with it's tail wedged between the top of a chest of drawers and the wall snapping the tail boom :eek:, which appears to be carbon fiber.

Kind of a fluke the way it hit. I have replacements on the way but I'm grounded for a few days until they get here. :(

Nothing like a broken tail boom.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm439.jpg

The tail boom is definitely carbon fiber, very strong but when it fails, it's history. Poor heli looks so pathetic broken, waiting for a new tail boom.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4310.jpg

Hammer
2008.06.09, 07:03 PM
I just received the new 2.4GHGz Walkera 4#3B Helicopter and it is very cool! :D

The Box:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4311.jpg

What's Inside the Box:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4312.jpg

This is the Walkera 4#3B Version which is a
Total Metal Upgrade for the Flight Control System:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4313.jpg

As my first Walkera 4#3 was Intended as a Trainer, I now have the Metal Upgrade Parts
to Convert my first Walkera 4#3 into Hammer AIR 2, once Flight Training is Completed. :D
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4314.jpg

mk2kompressor
2008.06.09, 07:18 PM
coooooooooooool!!!
how much was the 2.4 kit?

Hammer
2008.06.09, 07:38 PM
coooooooooooool!!!
how much was the 2.4 kit?It was $99.99 USD plus shipping which was $32.29 to the US for a total of $132.28 USD. :D

Here's a link: Walkera Dragonfly 4#3B, 2.4GHz Metal Version (4CH) RTF (http://www.ehirobo.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=82_90&products_id=5874)

herman
2008.06.09, 08:49 PM
hmmm.... yummy...

I've been working in the office today and have had time during breaks to go thru 5 battery charges, about 45 minutes of flying time, and I've just leaned how to hover

is that 45 minutes total flying time for the 5 battery charges?
or 45 minutes per battery charge?

cdog4w
2008.06.10, 01:01 AM
I'm looking to pick one of these up, I was wondering if you had a preference for how the plastic version or the metal version flies? I hear they're a bit different so I thought I'd ask. Seems theres a $10 difference in price, but metal is not always a good thing in RC :P

Hammer
2008.06.10, 03:27 PM
is that 45 minutes total flying time for the 5 battery charges?
or 45 minutes per battery charge?45 minutes for 5 charges, you get 8 to 10 minutes of flying time per charge and it takes about 45 minutes to charge a battery pack with the charger provided.

I have a few batteries on hand so I find I can have as much flying time as I want , although Walkera recommends letting the heli cool off for a few minutes between flights.

I'm looking to pick one of these up, I was wondering if you had a preference for how the plastic version or the metal version flies? I hear they're a bit different so I thought I'd ask. Seems theres a $10 difference in price, but metal is not always a good thing in RC :PThe metal version is much smoother and seems more stable while flying, I would say the extra $10 is well worth it. ;)

The 4#3B 2.4GHz Metal Upgrade Version (40.3 g) weighs less than the 4#3 72MHz plastic version (41.9 g).

Walkera 4#3B Weight without Battery Pack
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4315.jpg

I really like the 2.4GHz system and the new transmitter is larger which fits my hands more comfortably and seems to have stronger springs on the control sticks for a more positive feel while flying.

The Walkera 72MHz (WK-0405) as compared to the 2.4GHz (WK-2401) Transmitter
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4316.jpg

cdog4w
2008.06.12, 01:38 PM
Exactly the kind of info I was looking for, thanks Hammer!

Hammer
2008.06.12, 06:23 PM
Exactly the kind of info I was looking for, thanks Hammer!My pleasure, I'm trying to gain as much knowledge about these little guys as I can and I'm happy to pass on what little I've learned so everyone, who enjoys this hobby, can benefit.

I just finished the metal upgrade of the flight control system on my original 4#3. I learned much in the upgrade process as you have to pretty much disassemble the heli in the process. I'm still waiting for my tail boom replacements before I can test fly this thing, should be here tomorrow. :)

Here are a couple of pics of the completed metal upgrades.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4320.jpg
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/whm4321.jpg

rkk
2008.06.16, 09:56 PM
My foray into the world of Helis was not met well lol, but that is just amazing especially considering the price.

Hammer
2008.06.18, 09:11 AM
I received the parts to repair my original 4#3 72MHz version, which I'm using as a flight trainer. One thing I've found is taking the time to trim the helicopter so you can achieve HOH (Hands Off Hovering), makes learning how to fly these little guys a bit easier.

They hover better a couple of feet off the deck due to the ground effect. These are a whole lot of fun, but patients will be required for novice flyers to get the hang of it.

I'll post some video of some of my flight training soon. ;)

herman
2008.06.18, 09:48 PM
I'll post some video of some of my flight training soon
ahhh.... was just about to type... v i d e o pls.. :D thanks... can't wait to see yours in action... :D

marc
2008.06.28, 09:33 PM
I've been flying their co-axial version, forget the exact model number, but it's a nice flyer. I posted a video of it some where in this forum. The co-axial's are great trainers as they are naturally more stable than the one you have herman. By the way, I love the red alloy! My dad has quite a few RC helicopters ranging from micro-sized to big brothers. We've got the micro Venum, which is okay, we've got an all metal one from Digitronic's which is a tad smaller then the Venum, and an even smaller co-axial Digitronic's helicopter. You could almost call that the Dnanocopter! LOL!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC07835.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC07836.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC07838.jpg
Dnanocopter!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC07837.jpg
I tried flying this tiny one but it was way to squirly. Didn't want to stay put like it's bigger brother. I usually fly the second size up around the house. Was thinking about mounting a camera to the helicopter and take it to the club durring race day and get an airial shot of the Mini-Z race!

Hammer
2008.06.28, 10:28 PM
The co-axial's are great trainers as they are naturally more stable than the one you have herman.Huh, I don't think herman has one yet marc. :rolleyes:

I'm the one that has a few of these little guys.

marc
2008.06.29, 12:02 AM
Oh, oops! Sorry Hammer, your two names are similar that I didn't pay attention. Sorry about that! I meant to say co-axials are more stable than the one you have HAMMER! :)
Can you forgive me? :D

Hammer
2008.06.29, 08:37 AM
Oh, oops! Sorry Hammer, your two names are similar that I didn't pay attention. Sorry about that! I meant to say co-axials are more stable than the one you have HAMMER! :)
Can you forgive me? :DI was just trying to keep you on your toes. ;)

You're right co-axials are easier to fly. :)

Hammer
2008.06.29, 08:13 PM
I just finished assembling the basic parts of the new MIA G-10 fiberglass frame for one of my Walkera 4#3's. This is a very nice upgrade for 4#3, much stronger and a bit larger than the stock frame. I'm still waiting for the additional parts to finish this upgrade, which should be here tomorrow, I hope to have this flying soon there after. :D

A couple of pictures comparing the MIA G-10 frame to the stock frame.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag101.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag102.jpg

herman
2008.06.29, 09:58 PM
The co-axial's are great trainers as they are naturally more stable than the one you have herman.
Huh, I don't think herman has one yet marc.

yeah like i wish i had one.... :D

it's nice to see the upgrade... wonder how it will affect the flying charcteristics...

tribe
2008.06.30, 07:21 PM
I just finished assembling the basic parts of the new MIA G-10 fiberglass frame for one of my Walkera 4#3's. This is a very nice upgrade for 4#3, much stronger and a bit larger than the stock frame. I'm still waiting for the additional parts to finish this upgrade, which should be here tomorrow, I hope to have this flying soon there after. :D

A couple of pictures comparing the MIA G-10 frame to the stock frame.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag101.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag102.jpg


Very cool, I'm thinking about getting one of these helis. What would you recommend for spares outside of main blades?

Hammer
2008.06.30, 09:56 PM
Very cool, I'm thinking about getting one of these helis. What would you recommend for spares outside of main blades?There are a few things that would be good to have on hand, I'll put together a short list a little bit later. :)

I was able to sneak enough time this afternoon to complete my new frame. So this is the MIA G-10 fiberglass frame with the MIA TUFF Struts-Skids landing gear.

Now it's time for all of the components. :D

A few pics.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag106.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag105.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag103.jpg

Hammer
2008.07.01, 04:33 PM
I was able to finish the G-10 upgrade for my 72MHz 4#3 last night, all I have to do now is trim it out.

I know everyone is trying to get an idea how the G-10 upgrade compares to the stock frame size wise, so here are a few pics which I hope will show the difference, it's hard due to perspective and depth of field but here they are.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag109.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag107.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1010.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1011.jpg

The overall weight of the G-10 including battery.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1012.jpg

Hammer
2008.07.10, 03:21 PM
I added a few more things to my 72MHz 4#3 with the MIA G-10 Fiberglass Upgrade Frame & TUFF STRUTS/SKIDS: the MIA Preset Flybar Stability Kit, Shaft Collar Standoff Kit & Motor Heat Sink. A 500mAh Li-Po battery give a bit better fly time. I'm working on a MIA G-10 frame for one of my 2.4GHz 4#3's. :D

A couple of pics of my 72MHz 4#3 as it stands now.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1014.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1015.jpg

herman
2008.07.10, 10:57 PM
that looks a whole lot.... er "beefier"
:D just can't wait for the video..

Hammer
2008.07.13, 08:31 PM
Here's my latest G-10 fiberglass frame from MIA w/ the MIA Ultra Miniature TUFF Struts-Skids ready for 2.4MHz electronics & the flight control system.

I learned a lot when assembling my first MIA G-10 and I must say this frame is really rock solid, strength wise, yet still has enough flex to make it very durable to survive very severe crashes. :cool:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1021.jpg

cosmicsoul
2008.07.14, 07:09 PM
How easy are these microcopters to fly. I have not experience flying copters or anything for that matter. Guys at my LHS recommned the Eflite CX2 for beginners but am rather intrigued by the Walkera. Anyone have one they might be interested in selling or trading.

Jay Vasquez

Hammer
2008.07.14, 10:39 PM
The smaller it is with 4 channels, the harder it is to fly. With the new technology, everything is getting easier, however you will have to dedicate yourself to learn to fly one of these. ;)

I had a chance to finish my 4#3 MIA G-10 2.4 MHz Upgrade today and I must say I'm very impressed. My first G-10 was one of Mario's first generation frames which was very nice but this newer frame is much nicer. I really enjoy the building process, so everything involved in putting these little projects together is great fun for me.

I found that a bit of fit and trim was required to get this frame to be assembled very true and strong. For example the two vertical side pieces on each side of the main shaft bearing blocks have locator tabs that are intended to fit into holes in the frame base but will not allow the side plates to fit flush with the bottom plate without squaring off the round inside corners of the tabs on the side plates with an X-Acto knife to allow a flush fit with the base before gluing. This process is required on a few parts of this frame, but it is just a matter of planing ahead and taking your time.

That being said, I found this frame to be very sound. With the 2.4GHz electronics installed it is very smooth and stable, very definitely worth the effort IMO.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1022.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1023.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1024.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1025.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1026.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1027.jpg

Total weight less battery, only 46.6g even including my modified MIA/Stock Tail Motor Geared Assembly:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1028.jpg

cdog4w
2008.07.16, 09:25 PM
Nice looking heli Hammer!

I wanted to chime in and say I LOVE this heli. Best RC purchase I've made in years, its that good. I picked mine up in HK when I was there on vacation and flew it the day I got it in the hotel room. It is small and squirrelly relative to some bigger birds, but remarkably stable and easy to fly for its size. I have a blade CP and the 4#3B is way easier to fly in my opinion. The best part is I can fire it up anytime I feel like it in my kitchen and have a nice no-wind (if I close the windows) space to practice my flying in. I'm practicing side in hovering now because its easy enough to fly tail in that I feel quite confident moving on. I never got past working on the basic hover with my blade CP!

So what are the advantages to that MIA frame, Hammer, aside from looking nice?

I've found my heli to be quite durable and haven't broken anything yet. I did lose a tail rotor gear, however, when the tail rotor came off mid flight. I guess my tail was a bit loose and came off easier than others? So once I got the new one on, I put a tiny tiny bit of shoe goo on the end of the tail gear rod so that the tail rotor can disengage from the gear, but won't go flying off again!

My friend, thesteve, has gone fully brushless now with a 3.5g brushless tail, so it might be worth you going by the 4#3 thread at rcgroups again. I think the weight is pretty much that of the stock 4#3 which is impressive and he says it is rock solid now. I'd believe it with a full brushless setup, a heading hold gyro and proper spektrum radio gear!

Hammer
2008.07.16, 10:16 PM
So what are the advantages to that MIA frame, Hammer, aside from looking nice?I really feel that the MIA G-10 frame and tail boom has much more durability than the stock frame. The MIA G-10 frame uses a much stronger/thicker CF tail boom that is pressure fit into the frame eliminating screws. The screws to hold the tail boom in place on the stock frame will definitely crack the stock boom. :(

I have actually taken a brand new 4#3B out of the box and found the tail boom to be cracked from the factory due to the screw issue. ;)

As well, I've found the stock landing gear to be really fragile, the MIA frame will accept the MIA TUFF Skid/Strut system which is very durable on hard landings.

herman
2008.07.16, 11:24 PM
I picked mine up in HK when I was there on vacation and flew it the day I got it in the hotel room.
hmm... wondering how much it cost and what store did you get it from?

herman
2008.08.19, 11:32 PM
hi hammer... what's the update on the new frame? any videos? :D
plan to pick one up... so is the frame is the only upgrade you recommend? what others would you suggest?

Hammer
2008.08.20, 03:29 PM
hi hammer... what's the update on the new frame? any videos? :D
plan to pick one up... so is the frame is the only upgrade you recommend? what others would you suggest?herman, I sent you one PM and want to send you another with some links, however your mailbox is full. :(

You'll need to empty your PM folder before I'll be able to send the next one. :)

herman
2008.08.20, 10:58 PM
got your pm... & deleted some messages in mailbox... sheesh i got to clean it up... got to save some messages first though... thanks

Hammer
2008.10.12, 06:01 PM
Well I've been unbelievably busy with work these last few months and haven't had much time to play with my hobbies. :(

When I have had a little time I've done some flight training with my MIA G-10 Flight Trainer, only with a white canopy.

This has been my first attempt at flying any type of RC aircraft and of course I'd pick probably the most difficult platform to learn on with the Walkera 4#3 being a very small, true FP, micro helicopter.

My learning method has been to stay within a 4 foot X 4 foot X 4 foot cube as my airspace, if I get outside of that space I consider I've crashed. This takes some time and discipline but ultimately produces results....all be it rather slow. :rolleyes:

I've found it to be quite good therapy, relaxing after a very hectic and demanding day.

I put together a few clips of my recent training into a short video. :)

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43BFlightTraining1.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43BFlightTraining1.flv)

Hammer
2008.10.19, 07:53 PM
This is a close-up of my Walkera 4#3 MIA G-10 flight training frame, which has been a bullet proof platform for learning to fly these little guys.

More training video to follow soon. :)

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/43miag10t5.jpg

marc
2008.10.19, 10:00 PM
Hello guy's. Eflite now has a new baby helicopter. It's a very small co-axial and one of my Dad's friends bought it over the other day and flew it for us. It is a very stable helicopter and highly recommended for beginners. I'd always start beginners with co-axials and go from there, with a computer simulator as a companion for learning.

Hammer
2008.10.20, 05:04 PM
Hello guy's. Eflite now has a new baby helicopter. It's a very small co-axial and one of my Dad's friends bought it over the other day and flew it for us. It is a very stable helicopter and highly recommended for beginners. I'd always start beginners with co-axials and go from there, with a computer simulator as a companion for learning.I agree marc the co-axial helicopters are stable and fun to fly, however my goal is to learn to fly a true FP 4 channel helicopter so I can move on to CP helicopters.

The 4#3 is a very good training platform for me. I've been working very hard with my business this year and practicing flying this little bird "inside" has been great therapy for me to get away, without have to go very far from my office which is just a short way from my landing zone & practice area.

Walkera is introducing the 4G3 soon, which is a Collective Pitch helicopter at this scale, very cool!

Again more flight training videos soon! :)

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/4g31.jpg

marc
2008.10.20, 05:10 PM
I wonder when we'll see Airwolf fuselages of this scale. I'm almost finished with my Align Trex 450 Airwolf which I'll post pictures here soon if you dont' mind.

JOSEC
2008.10.20, 05:35 PM
I like the walkera 4#3b, maybe my next heli :), i´m flying a walkera Lama2 now:

http://personal.auna.com/jaalmarza/videos/Untitled.wmv

GREETINGS JOSEC...

Hammer
2008.10.21, 09:04 PM
I wonder when we'll see Airwolf fuselages of this scale. I'm almost finished with my Align Trex 450 Airwolf which I'll post pictures here soon if you dont' mind.I have an Airwolf fuselage for the 4#3, I'll post a pic soon. Please feel free to post your pics here. :)

I like the walkera 4#3b, maybe my next heli :), i´m flying a walkera Lama2 now:

http://personal.auna.com/jaalmarza/videos/Untitled.wmv

GREETINGS JOSEC...You will really enjoy the 4#3!

I've been making slow progress, practicing taking off, hovering up for a period of time and landing with the tail in.

Next, hovering with a left and right orientation. :eek:

A new video of my progress. :D

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43BFlightTraining2.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43BFlightTraining2.flv)

marc
2008.10.21, 09:51 PM
Wow, what fuselage is it for the 4#3? I have not seen one that small except for Walkera's co-axial one. I'm tempted by that helicopter so I have a little Wolf to fly in the house. My Trex is not AS easy and is ONLY out doores or gym. Would be cool to have a little 'Wolf for the house. I'd love to see pictures of it. Is it a readily available fuselage or home built? Exactly how small is your 4#3, can you post pictures of it next to your Mini-Z's?
Now that the Trex is in it's Wolf's clothing, we need to test it and re-set the Heli-Command device for it's new orientation. Then once it's tested, put the blades on and take it for a test flight. I'll try and take a video of it if I can remember to do so. Then when it's test flowen and everything works, then it'll be time for detail's.
I"ve got this very cool simple three light system for it that simply plug's into an extra channel into the receiver. It has the red/green position lights and the strobe light. I plan on scratch building the little details that Airwolf has such as the two probes on either side of the nose and the mid-air refuleing probe, some windshield wippers that I might borrow from a model car, and some tail peices. Just minor details to make it more complete and more uniqely mine.
My Trex started life as the very first generation 450X which I converted to XL with longer tailboom and rotors. I replaced all the plastic stuff with MicroHeli silver aluminum rotor head and tail assembly, I converted it to CCPM with the carbon-fiber frame kit, it's an entirely new helicopter and nothing is left from the original. The silver alloy look's perfect with the Airwolf's colors. I've seen lot's of Airwolf's done up with Aligns blue aluminum and I didn't like it. The silver suits the Wolf much better.
I'll try and take a video of the testing too. Then of it in it's maiden test flight, and then when I add the lights to it. Lights probably won't happen for a while.

marc
2008.10.21, 10:11 PM
Just some starter pic's for yea!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08200.jpg
MicroHeli aluminum rotor head. Will probably be replacing this with a scale flybar-less version from another company some time in the future.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08201.jpg
MicroHeli's aluminum tail rotor, custom made tail skid to protect the tailblades. The tail on this fuselage seems a tad too small for scale appearance so a larger more precise one might be scratch built with a scale tail skid.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08202.jpg
A shot of the Heli-Command moduel. This makes the helicopter extreamly stable by electronically controlling the swashplate for you and keeping the helicopter in one place till given command. This also allows us to delete the flybar.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08203.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08204.jpg

The fuselage is from HeliArtist which Dad and I bought back with us from our trip to London this past Janurary. One of the nicest fuselages I've ever seen. It's a shame that this isn't the retractable version as the retractable one wasn't out yet. But haveing retract's isn't always a good thing as they can collapse on yea!

marc
2008.10.21, 10:26 PM
My inspiration and reference for scratch building the extra detail's. This is the sweetest die-cast model ever made of Airwolf from Aoshima.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08205.jpg
You can see the three probes up front.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08206.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08207.jpg
Tail peice I mentioned earlier. Unfortunetly, the tailskid broke and I lost it.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08208.jpg
Mid-air refuleing probe.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08210.jpg
Pilot.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08212.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08213.jpg

eztuner12
2008.10.22, 03:03 PM
Hey marc so you are into electric r/c helis?
I have been into it for about 18 t0 20 month now and just love it
By the way here is a pic of one of my helis an Gaui EP PRO which I fly over my track between runs
Cheers
http://Documents and Settings\pavilion\My Documents\RC\Mini Rod\RCP Track 008.jpg

Hammer
2008.10.22, 06:37 PM
Exactly how small is your 4#3?The main rotor is just under 200mm.

Wow your AirWolf project looks great but rather large, just exactly how big is it?

I'd rather not turn this into an AirWolf thread, however i certainly welcome any input regarding micro helicopters. :)

I had a few great flights this morning when I was fresh, but when I set up the video camera, this how I was flying. :rolleyes:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43BFlightTraining2.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43BFlightTraining2.flv)

marc
2008.10.22, 06:57 PM
Hi Hammer, I don't mean this to be an Airwolf thread either, but we are talking small helicopters and mine just happens to be Airwolf. After all, I've been a car guy all my life and it was Centuries micro Hummingbird helicopter with an Airwolf fuselage that got me into this hobby. I'm a big, big fan of Airwolf and am simply in love with the helicopter. As much as a human can be in love with a machine. :D Airwolf is a gorgeous bird.
Anyway, the Airwolf is on an Align Trex 450XL mechanics. Its length is about 28 inches long, highth from wheels to rotor stopper is almost 8.5 inches, and the fuselage is about 8 inches from wingtip to wingtop.
My Dad estimates that the Airwolf fuselage is probably 1/12 in scale. It would be awesome if Kyosho did a 1/28 scale helicopter! It's coming pretty quickly! :D

On a side note, I saw a restored replica from a real Bell 222 helicopter of Airwolf at the Hanson Helicopter Museum in Pidgen Fordge Tennessee last year. The real helicopter is pretty big and very awesome to look at. It was well worth the trip up there to visit the bird in person. Sadley I've been told it's no longer there as we think the museum went out of buisness.
The original helicopter that was used in the TV show was disasembled and put back to the original Bell 222 configuration. Sold to a Germany company and crashed in flight killing all three on board. So sadly, the ORIGINAL Airwolf is long gone. :(

eztuner12
2008.10.22, 10:06 PM
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43BFlightTraining2.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43BFlightTraining2.flv)

Hi Hammer
WOW that's small!!:eek:
Nice tail-in hover man!:D
Is that baby a CCPM 120 and can go inverted????
It sounds very powerful for it size!
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.10.22, 10:15 PM
Here's my latest G-10 fiberglass frame from MIA w/ the MIA Ultra Miniature TUFF Struts-Skids ready for 2.4MHz electronics & the flight control system.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1021.jpg

Ok Hammer,
Here is my answer, just incredible miniature, expectacular:eek:
Perfect to spend a sick day at your room, hmmm maybe a few days sick.:D
Cheer

eztuner12
2008.10.22, 10:19 PM
I added a few more things to my 72MHz 4#3 with the MIA G-10 Fiberglass Upgrade Frame & TUFF STRUTS/SKIDS: the MIA Preset Flybar Stability Kit, Shaft Collar Standoff Kit & Motor Heat Sink. A 500mAh Li-Po battery give a bit better fly time. I'm working on a MIA G-10 frame for one of my 2.4GHz 4#3's. :D

A couple of pics of my 72MHz 4#3 as it stands now.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1014.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/miag1015.jpg

Sorry,
These were the pics I was referring to earlier. Not the plain frame.
Cheers

marc
2008.10.22, 11:05 PM
I'd like to buy one of these for any-time in house flying.
http://www.xheli.com/2airchertfwa.html
The fuselage look's almost as nice as my die-cast but co-axial which should make it easy for me to fly any time I want.

Hammer
2008.10.23, 08:23 AM
Sorry,
These were the pics I was referring to earlier. Not the plain frame.
CheersThose are pics of my first MIA G-10 frame with FM electronics.

The frame I pictured above (post #43) is a newer MIA G-10 frame with 2.4 GHz electronics and a few custom modifications, geared tail rotor, battery frame and a few other things I did to make it really stable and solid.

This is really a lot of fun!!! :D

marc
2008.10.23, 12:49 PM
Think I should get the Walkera I mentioned above? ^^^

Hammer
2008.10.23, 04:03 PM
Think I should get the Walkera I mentioned above? ^^^Looks pretty cool to me...since you are definitely an Airwolf fan, I'd say go for it. ;)


I had some time to take some more video of my practice flying...pretty much have tail in hovering down, now starting to work on left and right orientations.

This is way too much fun!!!:D

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43FlightTraining4.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43FlightTraining4.flv)

marc
2008.10.23, 04:12 PM
Well, Dad and I test-hovered my Trex. I thought I was recording it but I guess I didn't hit the button right, so no vid. We're going to our local indoore flying meet tonight and I'll definetly record some video of it flying there.
With the Heli-Command moduel, the helicopter was dead on steady. Made my Dad look like a professional! :)
Yea, I am very tempted by that Walkera, but wish I could see it in person before splurging the money on it and then being disapointed. Pic's look good, but how does it look up close and personal? We all say pic's don't do it justice, but sometimes things look better in photos than up close! LOL!
At any rate, keep an eye out here later tonight or tomarrow morning of the Trex in flight. Or rather in hover as we're not quite "Flying" these things yet. Takes a long time to master helicopters!
Which, again, is one reason I'm interested in the co-axial Airwolf! :D

marc
2008.10.24, 11:16 AM
A successful night of indoor flying! And the Trex performed beautifully!
Our collection of indoor flyers
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08224.jpg
Our Chinooke helicopter that we bought back from London along with the Airwolf fuselage.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08223.jpg
More pictures of Airwolf.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08236.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08237.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08238.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08243.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08244.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08247.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08248.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08250.jpg
A nice little 3 minute video of Airwolf's maiden flight!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq4M6gopy2Q

Hammer
2008.10.30, 06:16 PM
I haven't had much time to devote to flight training these last few weeks.

I did have some time yesterday and today and found the higher I hovered the more control I had. I'm using a spare bedroom as my training area which has a sloped ceiling from 9 feet to 15 feet so I have a bit of volume to work with. It is amazing how much air this little machine circulates in this space. It always seems to be affected by it's own wind currents a some point, that's where learning and anticipation are a real factor.

Here's a new video of my progress.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43FlightTraining5.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43FlightTraining5.flv)

Slipstream
2008.10.31, 07:33 AM
When the rotor wash hits things like pillows it blows back against the copter and makes it harder to control. In a small room the longer you fly the more the air swirls and makes it hard to hover.

Nice video

What's the flight time?

marc
2008.11.01, 05:18 PM
Has anybody seen this whirlybird?
http://www.walkera.com/en1/particular.jsp?pn=Z64%233Q0104
This is Walkera's own web site and they have what look's like a pretty cool little helicopter model of the Hughey Cobra attack helicopter with nice aluminum alloy. They have it in either red or blue colors with what look's like matching aluminum. I'm not exactly sure the size of this helicopter but the dimensions are given. Could this be the same size heliocpter as the HM 4#3?

Hammer
2008.11.01, 05:41 PM
Has anybody seen this whirlybird?
http://www.walkera.com/en1/particular.jsp?pn=Z64%233Q0104
This is Walkera's own web site and they have what look's like a pretty cool little helicopter model of the Hughey Cobra attack helicopter with nice aluminum alloy. They have it in either red or blue colors with what look's like matching aluminum. I'm not exactly sure the size of this helicopter but the dimensions are given. Could this be the same size heliocpter as the HM 4#3?Yes it is basically the same size as the 4#3b.

It hasn't been getting good initial reviews at the heli forums. One reason I can recall is the servos are built on the PCB of the RX which saves weight but is not a good feature when a servo goes south, however I would assume the reason Walkera did it is to compensate for the added weight of the scale body.

Haven't seen any reviews regarding flying, but it's a true 4 channel FP helicopter at a very small scale so I'd imagine it's not very easy to fly for a novice pilot.

Hammer
2008.11.01, 05:42 PM
Nice video

What's the flight time?I've been getting six to eight minutes. ;)

marc
2008.11.01, 05:45 PM
Sounds like I should stick to the Co-Axial Airwolf. Wonder if it flys as good as it look's?
I've been having a great time this week with the Eflite MCX, but would love this Airwolf one. I tend to think the Airwolf is bigger.

marc
2008.11.01, 05:47 PM
Okay, found some information on the Airwolf, it is bigger than the Cobra, but not much. Still nice and small.
1). Drive System: 180PH
2). Gyro: Built-in
3). Transmitter: WK-2401
4). Overall Length: 418mm
5). Battery: 7.4V 800mAh Li-Po
6). All-up Weight: 248g (Battery included)
7). Main Rotor Dia. B: 340mm
8). Main Rotor Dia. A: 340mm
9). Receiver: RX-2403
10).Servo: weight 8.5g /speed 0.11sec/60o(4.8V) / torque 0.9kg.cm(4.8V) / dimension 22.5X11.5X24mm

Assuming their dimensions are correct, it's a fairly small helicopter. My die-cast model has a rotor diameter of 240mm. So it's a tad bigger than that. Then again, being co-axial, who knows. I won't really know till I have one on hand.

Hammer
2008.11.01, 06:10 PM
Cool marc!

The main rotor dimension is about 13-1/4 inches, the overall length is about 16-1/2 inches, you should have a lot of fun with a co-axial airwolf that size. :D

marc
2008.11.01, 06:43 PM
Yea, decided to pick one up. Wish it was smaller, but we'll see once I finally have it.
I just hope it look's better in person than the photo's Some times photo's can help or hurt an object. Despite how it look's, I hope it flys well.............

Hammer
2008.11.02, 04:11 PM
Well, I can now hover, move forward & backward, left & right easily "tail in" for an entire battery charge. I'm practicing in a spare bedroom which is 14 feet wide x 15 feet long, obviously with furniture, it has a sloped ceiling from 9 feet to 15 feet, with the 9 foot side being the @ the right wall in the video.

I'm now working on doing the same thing in left and right orientations. It definitely takes concentration but I think I starting to make some progress. I'm a long way from being able to fly this little machine... but I no longer fear I can't. :D

My latest training video.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkrea43BFlightTraining6.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkrea43BFlightTraining6.flv)

marc
2008.11.02, 06:57 PM
The co-axials are very good for training you with orientation as you don't have to concentrate on the other aspects. It's hard to get it to hover in position when the nose is faceing torwards you. We tend to think opposite of control when it actually is the same thing. We need to look at it as if we're INSIDE the helicopter's cabin and NOT looking at it.
Now we just need to get somebody to mount a small camera on their helicopter and get an aireal shot of a Mini-Z race! That would be cool!

Hammer
2008.11.02, 07:21 PM
It's hard to get it to hover in position when the nose is faceing torwards you. We tend to think opposite of control when it actually is the same thing. We need to look at it as if we're INSIDE the helicopter's cabin and NOT looking at it.That's why I'm working slowly to train my brain in that regard. :)

I had some experience flying real helicopters when I was in the USN 1969-1971, when you step outside of the helicpoter and look from the outside, it's a whole new ball game.

These little RC 4 channel true FP micro-helicopters are harder to fly in a general sense than the real thing. :eek:

Very addicting when you start to get the hang of it. :D

eztuner12
2008.11.02, 07:47 PM
This is a close-up of my Walkera 4#3 MIA G-10 flight training frame, which has been a bullet proof platform for learning to fly these little guys.

More training video to follow soon. :)

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/43miag10t5.jpg

Hi Hmmer,
Is this the one your hovering over your bed?
Do they come RTF?
I am looking for a very micro helli that I can fly in a room with out problem
My Gaui EP100 Pro is to powerful and if a make an error I can break something, the Other day almost hit my 46 TV screen hovering inverted wofffff:eek:
Very nice indeed
Cheers

marc
2008.11.03, 12:22 PM
That's why I'm working slowly to train my brain in that regard. :)

I had some experience flying real helicopters when I was in the USN 1969-1971, when you step outside of the helicpoter and look from the outside, it's a whole new ball game.

These little RC 4 channel true FP micro-helicopters are harder to fly in a general sense than the real thing. :eek:

Very addicting when you start to get the hang of it. :D

Interesting you said that. A while back while visiting my brother in Florida, he works for WarBirds America, I had a flight lesson in a Bell 47 helicopter. It was pretty fun and it taught me a thing or two about the RC version. But it is very different when your inside the cabin versus outside looking at the nose.
Wonder how it would help if you had a micro-camera in the cabin right where the pilot would be, and a small screen on your transmitter. Hmmmmmm, :rolleyes:

eztuner12
2008.11.03, 01:11 PM
Interesting you said that. A while back while visiting my brother in Florida, he works for WarBirds America, I had a flight lesson in a Bell 47 helicopter. It was pretty fun and it taught me a thing or two about the RC version. But it is very different when your inside the cabin versus outside looking at the nose.
Wonder how it would help if you had a micro-camera in the cabin right where the pilot would be, and a small screen on your transmitter. Hmmmmmm, :rolleyes:

I have heard the same from real helis pilots, specially when nose-in cycle and inverted, same comments from fixed wing r/c pilots, they even have a harder time getting used to r/c helis than a beginner.
About in-board cam, I know guys on the field that have try hover watching thru the monitor, but not a good ending experience, since you have very difficult sense of direction and heights.
Hey btw,just received an e-mail from a friend telling me about a new Align T-rex 250:eek:, practically the same as T-rex 450 SE V2, but composite plastic head and the same size than Gaul Hurricane 200,
Any of you have seen it? I aske for a pic, so hope Ihave it in soon
Cheers

Hammer
2008.11.03, 01:58 PM
Hi Hmmer,
Is this the one your hovering over your bed?
Do they come RTF?
Very nice indeed
CheersYes, that is the helicopter in the video.

It is actually a MIA G-10 fiberglass frame that I customized to use the stock geared tail assembly and stock battery cage, so it's my unique adaptation of the MIA G-10 frame.

I also used a few other items from this sight you can see here: MIA Micro-Flight-Products for Walkers 4#3 (http://www.micro-flight.com/Walkera%204-3.htm)

The mechanics and electronics are all from the Walkera 4#3B RTF helicopter.

This frame and setup has been very stable and rock solid, thus has been a great platform for learning to fly this little machine.

I'm actually flying in different directions now, I'll post more video when I have something new.

MikeL
2008.11.03, 02:24 PM
What potential do these little choppers have? Is inverted flight possible? I have an mCX now and it's cake to fly, seeing this makes me want to learn to fly the real thing, but at least I can practice in the house or garage, and even if it's totaled it will never be more than $100 in repairs :)

Hammer
2008.11.03, 05:12 PM
What potential do these little choppers have? Is inverted flight possible?Well I obviously feel there is great potential and I'm very new to RC aircraft.

The Walkera 4#3B is FP but Walkera is releasing the 4G3 this month which is CP. :D

Walkera 4G3
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/walkera4g32.jpg

Comparison of Walkera 4#3B and the 4G3
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/walkera4g33.jpg

eztuner12
2008.11.03, 06:22 PM
What potential do these little choppers have? Is inverted flight possible? I have an mCX now and it's cake to fly, seeing this makes me want to learn to fly the real thing, but at least I can practice in the house or garage, and even if it's totaled it will never be more than $100 in repairs :)

Hi MikeL,
Forget about budget with R/C helis, there is no limit to it, you can crash 10 times in one day, if you intent 10 times when learning. I would definitely recommend a bigger Heli to start with a 50 or 90, they are more stable, more predictable and easer to hover, and you will have fewer crashes. The only problem is the space, but anyway it is recommended to go out on a big space (field) when beginning, you can heart your self or someone near you, unless you go with one those air hugs as seen on TV for $29 very fun by the way.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.03, 08:58 PM
I feel safer with the smaller helicopters! The large 50 size ones can kill!
Smaller is better for learning, once you've mastered the small ones, the larger ones will THEN be easier.
As I said before, my Trex 450XL is rock-steady with it's Heli-Command moduel. Let go of the transmitter, and it'll still be hovering in the same exact spot you put it in.
Larger doesn't always mean more stable, it depends upon the helicopter itselfe.
My Dad has a really tiny normal fixed pitch helicopter that is very steady and a peice of cake to fly for a conventional helicopter! It's one by Hirobo.........I'll find out it's exact model later.

eztuner12
2008.11.03, 10:01 PM
I feel safer with the smaller helicopters! The large 50 size ones can kill!
Smaller is better for learning, once you've mastered the small ones, the larger ones will THEN be easier.
As I said before, my Trex 450XL is rock-steady with it's Heli-Command moduel. Let go of the transmitter, and it'll still be hovering in the same exact spot you put it in.
Larger doesn't always mean more stable, it depends upon the helicopter itselfe.
My Dad has a really tiny normal fixed pitch helicopter that is very steady and a peice of cake to fly for a conventional helicopter! It's one by Hirobo.........I'll find out it's exact model later.

I intended to learn first with an Gaui EP 100 Pro, because it’s small size and it is electric, I still have it along with the new Gaui Hurricane 200, after 2 weeks trying a friend I made at the field, got me into Align T-rex 450 SE V2, which I still have and it’s my favorite, I improved but still not satisfied with my performance, so went into 4 weeks flying school 3 class p/week and practice most every day. They recommended me a 90 series so I got a fuel Raptor 90 from Thunder Tiger practically new 2nd hand heli never crash, finally I learned after about 3rd lesson to hover tail-in with good control. As soon I felt completely in control with first circuit and advance circuit, I went back to my T-rex 450 SE V2 and sold the Raptor, to big, to messy and to noisy. I love the T-rex 450 SE V2 and plan to keep it until a new version comes out, as well as, the Hurricane 200 both just great, the Gaui EP100 Pro is small only 180 mm main blade, belt-drive rudder and excellent for indoor, I can fly it out door but with no win it is very light, but very danger to fly in a room with thing around, you don’t want to hit and get kill by the wife. Now after almost 2 years I am into advance acrobats including inverted which I love, specially impressing friend with grass cutting. I still crash all the time; it is a habit of my, I guess.:(:D
I just wrote what they teach me in school, bigger the better to learn; at least it worked to me, and the guys that accompanied me at school.
Cheers;)

marc
2008.11.03, 10:37 PM
Well I guess different things work for different people. I'm intimidated by the larger sized helicopters and still intimidated to fly the Trex on my own, even with it's Heli-Command unit.
I'm anxiously waiting the arrivel of my co-axial Airwolf so I can at least enjoy my tv hero anytime I want! I'll post pic's of it when I receive it and even make a vid of it.

I decided to post a link to the device I'm talking about.
http://www.helicommand.com/
This is the unit that makes my Trex as stable as a co-axial.

Sorry, link I gave you was German language but there is an option for English. Check bottom left of page for English.

eztuner12
2008.11.03, 11:08 PM
My Trex 450 SE V2 has a very basic electronics equipment base on what it came with the kit, 3700 KV Brushless Motor, RCE BL 35X brushless Electronic Speedcontroller plus:
3x Hitec HS65HB Servos
1x Futaba S9650 Digit Tail Servo
1x Futaba 401 Gyro
Futaba 7CHP Tx
Futaba R149iP PCM 6 Channel Rx
I had the Futaba Fasst 2.4Gz Tx and Rx but had to much glitches issues and crashed many times do to this so went back to PCM no more problems, I only have to be sure no body is in the same frequency.
Cheers
BTW I guess we should go back to the topic here;)

marc
2008.11.03, 11:36 PM
I'm sorry, what was the topic again? Walkera helicopters? :D

eztuner12
2008.11.03, 11:56 PM
I'm sorry, what was the topic again? Walkera helicopters? :D

You really make me laugh with this one man!!!:):):):D:D
Cheers:)

marc
2008.11.04, 04:21 PM
I have not heard of the Trex 250, is it supposed to be a smaller Trex? I've heard of the larger 500 I think it was. eh, is.

eztuner12
2008.11.04, 05:34 PM
I have not heard of the Trex 250, is it supposed to be a smaller Trex? I've heard of the larger 500 I think it was. eh, is.

I was told it’s an exact duplicate to the 450 but composite black material rotor head, the way it comes out of the box, but as we know Align has any thing you dream of available on the market, so soon they have a CNC head for the 250. Bth it is a 200mm rotor blade and is to compete with the magnificent Gaui Hurricane 200. I will look it up right now on the web.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.04, 06:23 PM
Hmmmmmmm. I think we should start our own Align thread and not clog up Hammer's Walkera thread.

Hammer
2008.11.04, 06:51 PM
Hmmmmmmm. I think we should start our own Align thread and not clog up Hammer's Walkera thread.I'm actually enjoying all of the information you guys have to offer and you are certainly welcome to keep posting here. :D

The idea of you starting your own thread might ensure we'll all get more input from people with your specific interest, just a thought. ;)

marc
2008.11.04, 09:15 PM
Well, maybe this can just be limited to small size helicopters no matter brand or model?
I hope my Airwolf will arrive tomarrow, I'll post pic's of my joyful opening the box session!

BIGSPEED
2008.11.05, 05:26 AM
Marc: please remember: you don't have money to spend!!!
Thats what you are telling others!

eztuner12
2008.11.05, 08:57 AM
I'm actually enjoying all of the information you guys have to offer and you are certainly welcome to keep posting here. :D

The idea of you starting your own thread might ensure we'll all get more input from people with your specific interest, just a thought. ;)

Thank you Hammer very cordial from you indeed:):):D
Cheers;)

Hammer
2008.11.05, 08:59 PM
I was working on one of my jobs today and knew I would not have any subcontractors there so I decided to take my MIA G-10 flight trainer as well as my video camera so I could experiment flying in a larger space, yikes what an experience.

Being in a much larger area 30 feet x 18 feet as opposed to 16 feet x 18 feet makes a huge difference. At first I was overwhelmed with the size and thought I could just fly at will....:eek: wrong, you gust get sucked into the size and loose control.

I found I needed to stay in the small space mentally, only then was I able to navigate the larger space with more control. I worked left to right front and back up and down always "tail in", I'm just a novice RC pilot, but I'm learning a lot! :D

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43BFlightTraining7.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43BFlightTraining7.flv)

eztuner12
2008.11.05, 09:28 PM
Hi Hammer,
One of the main issue I had when going out on a large space area at first, was the speed you achieve in a sec, you go so fast that easily can freak out and make a mistake, usually fast backward cycle and have a boom strake, Terrifying right? :eek:
Also when the wind comes strong an practically take over the helis control and throws it to on side and you immediately try to correct it trying to go the other side and there goes on a height speed to the side you command it, and down it goes. On the out side it is good to go on a higher level, to have the time to correct your mistakes before it hits ground. Never go so far that you could not bring it back under control, if you go far at first, you will be confused between the rear end and the front of the heli or between the left and right side of the heli, just terrifying experience:eek::eek:, specially with micro-small helis.
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 01:29 AM
Hye Guys
check this ad I received with new mini helis
Here is the links
Hope you enjoy :eek::D
Cheers
http://www.xheli.com/new4ch2waair.html

http://www.xheli.com/

marc
2008.11.07, 11:40 AM
Mine should be here any minute now! :) :D

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 12:55 PM
Hi marc
Which are you waiting for?
Cheers

marc
2008.11.07, 01:03 PM
My Airwolf that I purchased this past Sunday. From Texas!

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 01:34 PM
My Airwolf that I purchased this past Sunday. From Texas!

The red & white right?:confused:

marc
2008.11.07, 01:53 PM
Eh, no. The one I posted earlier. http://www.xheli.com/2airchertfwa.html

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 01:55 PM
Ok here are a couple of vids of the new T-rex 250
Again Align does it. It seems to hold pretty well indeed, but it looks little heavy or not a powerful motor, it is little slow compared to the Gaui Hurricane 200 or maybe it is been fly slower perhaps.
Hope you guys enjoy it.
Cheers

http://www.rcheliresource.com/video-alan-szabo-align-t-rex-250-3d-flight/

Ok after seen this vid I guess it was flying sloewr on the first vid

http://www.rcheliresource.com/video-align-t-rex-250-3d/

marc
2008.11.07, 02:27 PM
I'm not a big fan of that 3D stuff. It's highly un-natural for helicopters. You'd never see Airwolf or Blue Thunder do those manuvers! LOL!

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 03:11 PM
I'm not a big fan of that 3D stuff. It's highly un-natural for helicopters. You'd never see Airwolf or Blue Thunder do those manuvers! LOL!

So you are more a fan for fuselage helis than an R/C heli fan right?
Cool too!:);)
Cheers

marc
2008.11.07, 05:01 PM
Yep, I appreciate beauty and scale.
Anyway, I got my whirlybird today! THe thing look's just as cool in person! Awesome little chopper with nice details! Let's hope it flys as well as it look's!
Charging up the batteries as we speak. I'll be posting pictures soon and maybe a video later on! It look's like it could be same scale as my KITT ?!

Hammer
2008.11.07, 05:10 PM
Yep, I appreciate beauty and scale.
Anyway, I got my whirlybird today! THe thing look's just as cool in person! Awesome little chopper with nice details! Let's hope it flys as well as it look's!
Charging up the batteries as we speak. I'll be posting pictures soon and maybe a video later on! It look's like it could be same scale as my KITT ?!Cool marc, look forward to seeing what it looks and flies like in "person" as it were. ;)

I like scale and detail as well, these little helis are so cool and very addicting. :D

marc
2008.11.07, 05:14 PM
Be sweet if there was an Airwolf the size of the MCX without being "toy-ish".
The modeling of this Walkera 5-4Q3 is outstanding!

Hammer, it's plausable that a well-rounded modeller with excellent modifying skills can probably put this beautiful fuselage on a convensional helicopter. It's "almost" right size for one of my Dad's micro-helicopters. But problem here is most convensional helicopters, the tail rotor is on the wrong side so won't be exact to scale, but close enough. Still, would be cool to have this beautiful of a fuselage on a normal heli. The Co-axial aspect kind of takes away from the scale appearance.

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 06:38 PM
Hello Hammer!
I too definitely like the fuselage RC helis, but at this point I am passionate of the maneuvers this thing can do, certainly as soon I sweat this fiver for acrobats and stop crashing, I will buy fuselages as the air wolf, Augusta A-109, Super Cobra, Bell 222, Jet Ranger and so many other beautiful fuselage available. One of the reasons I buy a T-rex 450, was because the array of fuselages available for it. But first have to stop crashing!!!!! I guess that as soon I get into fuselage helis, I will then go for speed fly.
Enjoy your new heli marc, and yes show us how it fly’s and how you like it. I am in the quest for something I can fly when on bed or watching TV.
Cheers;)

marc
2008.11.07, 06:47 PM
This bird is to big for for "THAT" purpose as is the Rex.
The very best fuselage for the Trex 450 are the ones from Heli-Artist which is who made my Trex Airwolf. They have it in both fixed gear and retractable versions.
If you can afford it, "$600", I highly recommend the Heli-Command moduel as it is ideal for scale fuselage flying. It will make your bird perfectly rock solid when hovering and basic "normal" flight. I would not have wanted to put my fuselage on my Trex till it was rock-solid perfect!
For bed-time flying, get the Eflite MCX, it's just the right size and it won't scare your GF!
Right now I'm just waiting for those batt's to charge as the first initial charging takes a very long time.

marc
2008.11.07, 07:31 PM
As promised, here are some pic's of Airwolf and KITT together.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08350.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08351.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08352.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08353.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08354.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08355.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08356.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08358.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08359.jpg

Video of it's maiden flight!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDiU7j4qJpM

marc
2008.11.07, 08:02 PM
Wow! Well, I, eh, as I was saying in the above posts about converting this fuselage on a more conventional helicopter, look's like somebody already did it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leHuTCS3kbc&feature=related
Question is, which model helicopter is this?

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 08:55 PM
Hey marc,
Just beautiful machine and yes it is too big for what I’m seeking for, I thought it was much smaller indeed, I is about the size of my Gaui EP PRO 100. Love the color it is very similar to your T-rex 450 air wolf fuselage.
Really groovy indeed. Thx for the pics.:)
Cheers

marc
2008.11.07, 09:00 PM
It is the "PROPER" Airwolf colors! I wouldn't have it any other way! I've got the Airwolf in a big 50 size helicopter, Trex 450 size, and now this plus my die-cast display model.
As I posted in the above thread, it look's like somebody took this same Walkera fuselage and modded it to fit a standard helicopter!
I was also hopeing this was smaller, as the pictures can tend to fool you in size. But it's small enough and I like it.
First flight was a little squirly and not much lift. But I expected that on the very first charge. I hope it'll get better and better the more I fly it. Still, it's nice having such a wonderfully detailed Airwolf that I CAN FLY ON MY OWN! Still have not gone solo with my Trex yet! LOL! My 50 size helicopter still needs work on. Dad and I will eventually put another Airwolf fuselage on the 50 size helicopter. AM I a nutty Airwolf fan or what? :D
I might have to take pic's of my pack of Wolve's!

eztuner12
2008.11.07, 09:15 PM
Maybe not to much lift due to the new batty or maybe needs more powerful batty, some times the RTF kits come with not so good batty to save on cost.
Well I like an air wolf navy blue on top and white on bottom, lets say a private air wolf not a military one Black top and light gray bottom should look cool too.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.07, 09:21 PM
The real helicopter "Airwolf" is actually a dark metallic brown color but has always appeared black in the show for some reason. I've seen a replica of the real deal and it is brownish in color. My 50 size helicopter is the perfect match for color and I'll post pic's of that some time. We see alot of black's and gray Airwolf color's cause that's what we assume we are seeing on the screen.
When the producers were designing the color scheme, they were after a Killer Wail look.
I forget the exact brown, but I can look it up. It was actually an old car color but forgot the car, sorry.

marc
2008.11.08, 01:59 PM
Maybe not to much lift due to the new batty or maybe needs more powerful batty, some times the RTF kits come with not so good batty to save on cost.
Well I like an air wolf navy blue on top and white on bottom, lets say a private air wolf not a military one Black top and light gray bottom should look cool too.
Cheers

As for a "Private Airwolf", this particular model does come in a nicely done orange/white paint scheme and I think blue as well. I'll look and post pic's of the other colors.

Here's the orange and white one
http://www.xheli.com/2airchertfwa1.html
and here's the blue one
http://www.xheli.com/air-wolf-blue-2-4ghz.html

I think the blue one would look nicer without the gun's. As the gun's come un-mounted, I suppose you could remove the gun's and just glue the side panels on for a civilian look.

Or, this awesome Comanche helicopter.
http://www.xheli.com/green-camanche-2-4ghz.html

Then, there's the normal Bell 222 helicopter in blue with skids.
http://www.xheli.com/new4chairwoe.html
So, lot's of choices of fuselages for fun! Plus that blue one that you posted.
I wonder if they will offer aluminum upgrades for my bird?

eztuner12
2008.11.08, 03:14 PM
They all look great, but the Bell 222 color is superb.
thxxxxx
Cheers

marc
2008.11.08, 03:16 PM
Sure, not a problem eztuner.


The Airwolf flew much better second time around. A longer charge, I got a higher flight, and a little more stable. These helicopters don't like to hover an inch off the ground as they are fighting against their own turbulance. So a quick lift obve a foot or two and your fine.
I'll post more videos as I go along with it. I didn't video this flight as the camera was charging..............

It also helps if you don't have the RCP track in the way! LOL!

eztuner12
2008.11.08, 03:25 PM
Sure, not a problem eztuner.


The Airwolf flew much better second time around. A longer charge, I got a higher flight, and a little more stable. These helicopters don't like to hover an inch off the ground as they are fighting against their own turbulance. So a quick lift obve a foot or two and your fine.
I'll post more videos as I go along with it. I didn't video this flight as the camera was charging..............

It also helps if you don't have the RCP track in the way! LOL!

Yes small helis hover better @ 2 feet, They are to light for the generated turbulance.
Looking on for the vids
Cheers

marc
2008.11.08, 03:41 PM
The "Wolf pack".

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08362.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08363.jpg
The big guy goes to the red helicopter in the background.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08364.jpg

Sorry Hammer, I did not intend on this to be an "Airwolf" thread. But your helicopter did enspire me to get Walkera's co-axial bird which I really am loving!

eztuner12
2008.11.08, 05:08 PM
Hey I guess this sould be a nice option to fly at bed or st TV time
do any of you know about it?
http://www.handhelditems.com/popup_image.php?products_id=19601&img=0

Maybe tis one
http://www.rchover.com/inc/sdetail/149095

marc
2008.11.08, 05:22 PM
Definetly the second one. There is already a thread based on the Eflite MCX. My Dad and I got one a few weeks ago and I've been flying it all over the house. Great fun hovering it real close to my cat as she gives me a dirty look.
The first one I wouldn't go near as it look's to "toyish".

While the Eflite is not a scale fuselage or anything fancy, just pod and boom as we call it, it is very easy to fly and alot of fun to play with.

eztuner12
2008.11.08, 05:40 PM
As I see on the video the EFLH2200 Blade mCX RTF could be the one If I dont find a non coaxial heli that size
Thxx fot the info marc
Hey were is Hammer?
Cheers

marc
2008.11.08, 06:48 PM
You won't find non-coaxial of that size that'll be easy to fly. There was one made by Micron but it was junk. Then there are the toy's which I don't think you want. Your best bet is to get the MCX. It is the best helicopter of it's size at the moment. Then work your way up to the one Hammer has. I'm sure he'll be on sooner or later to comment. I'll make another vid as soon as the batt's charged up which should be soon I hope!

marc
2008.11.08, 10:09 PM
Airwolf's third flight. Not as smooth for some reason, but good video anyway.
Never mind the "$#i!" :o:o at the end of the video when I crashed into a shelfe. No worry, nothing broke, still in perfect shape! Just getting used to a new toy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwMKxqVP_I

I didn't realize I had nicked the rotor blades till this morning! :eek: Luckily it came with a spare set so I'll have to swap before flying it again. I dont' think it'll fly well with the blades being nicked and out of balance. :rolleyes:

marc
2008.11.09, 02:52 PM
Hey EZTuner, I just learned something pretty cool. For your "civilian" version of Airwolf, the gun's are very easy to remove. The end cap just simply snaps off the gun's as showen here.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08371.jpg
Here's the gun by itselfe.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08370.jpg
Then just snap on the end cap to the helicopter.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08369.jpg
And whalla! No modifications required at all for civilian look! Just a simple unsnap and your done! Just thought I'd share that with you since your interested in the civilian look. If you get one, dont' forget to post pic's of it here!

eztuner12
2008.11.09, 11:02 PM
Thx man thats cool:)
Cheers

marc
2008.11.11, 02:42 PM
Hey Hammer, if your still out there man got a question for you regarding the 4#3.
I've seen pictures of it sitting on somebodies palm but wondering exactly how small is it compared to the Eflite MCX? Also, how easy is it to fly?
Beleive it or not, I'm having difficulty with my Airwolf 5-4Q3. It's not being an easy co-ax helicopter and it's starting to tick me off.
I hope when Dad comes home he can fix what's wrong with it or trim it just so that it will be easy to fly. It's a co-axial and should be simple! ARRRRRGGG! Of coarse, I dont' want it to be cake walk like the MCX cause that can be boring too if their TOO EASY! LOL! But what do you think of the micro 4#3?

Hammer
2008.11.12, 05:24 PM
Hey Hammer, if your still out there man got a question for you regarding the 4#3.
I've seen pictures of it sitting on somebodies palm but wondering exactly how small is it compared to the Eflite MCX? Also, how easy is it to fly?I'm out here, just been very busy with my business. Must keep my projects on course so I keep my clients happy which makes it possible for me to afford these cool little machines. :)

I haven't had time to catch up on what you guys are discussing, I'll have to post comments about flying characteristics later when I have more time.

Here's a pic comparing the size of the stock 4#3B and my MIA G-10 Flight Trainer with my Mini-Z Caprice CHP car. ;)

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/43sc1.jpg

marc
2008.11.12, 06:02 PM
It's not much bigger than the Eflite MCX is it? But is nice and small just the way I like'em.
I'm no where near being a pro at helicopter flying, but if the helicopter itselfe is nice and stable, and want's to stay put for you, then I can fly it. My Dad has a Hirobo conventional helicopter as I mentioned before and that is easy. My Co-axial Airwolf is some reason being a bitch right now. So I need a helicopter that is rock-steady and that's why I'm curious about this little guy.

eztuner12
2008.11.12, 11:10 PM
I'm out here, just been very busy with my business. Must keep my projects on course so I keep my clients happy which makes it possible for me to afford these cool little machines. :)

I haven't had time to catch up on what you guys are discussing, I'll have to post comments about flying characteristics later when I have more time.

Here's a pic comparing the size of the stock 4#3B and my MIA G-10 Flight Trainer with my Mini-Z Caprice CHP car. ;)

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/43sc1.jpg

Good to hear your ok Hammer. Yes man totaly right on this one, fist work then play.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.13, 02:13 PM
Well, just had a perfectly smooth 8 minute hover with Airwolf. So, I dont' know what happened the other day but today it was PERFECT! Could it be intermittent, or just a fluke after being nicked? We'll see if it continues to fly perfectly!
I do know I adjusted the forward/backward trim slightly before hand while checking the operations of the servo's, so maybe that fixed it! :)

I didn't realize I had an audiance while flying my Wolf!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08372.jpg
These pictures were taken looking outside from my basement window.
Note the window frame at left.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08373.jpg
Maybe they bought me good luck and that's why I had a smooth flight! :D

eztuner12
2008.11.13, 02:46 PM
Hi marc,
Maybe the batty and motor are ready after run-in.
BTW Is this a brushlees motor and Speed-control?
Man!!! Is that your backyard?? WOW!!!:eek::eek:
Cheers

marc
2008.11.13, 02:49 PM
Hi there, yes it is my backyard. We have about five acres of property to our selves so lot's of private space.
I don't think it's brushless motor and my Dad suggests that maybe it was temperature related issues I was having the other day. So, perhaps after a while and trying it again today, it was cool enough that it worked perfectly. Who knows!
I think I might have had the trim set wrong last time and that might have explained why it went backwards on me.
Or it could just not like repeated flights in one day. Who knows, just as I said, hope it continues to fly perfectly. Will try again later today.

marc
2008.11.13, 06:38 PM
Another perfect hover! This thing look's so cool just hovering there! Next time I might video it for your viewing pleasure! :D

eztuner12
2008.11.13, 07:31 PM
Wow marc beautiful backyard just groovy.
My wife and I are looking for a place like that in the US to go over on winters, as soon I saw this pics, I call her over to see them. She wanted me to ask, if you have seen any snakes while living there, you know she has this thing with snakes:(.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.13, 07:54 PM
We got garden snakes which eat the moles and mice. None that are poisonous or anything to be scared of. And you hardly ever see'em at all. More likely to see friendly deer than snakes.
Black Forest Colorado Springs is a very nice peacfull place to live and we love it!
It's funny, I just noticed you live in Florida, most people go to Florida for the winter, and go to Colorado for the summer!

Back on topic.............

eztuner12
2008.11.13, 09:30 PM
We got garden snakes which eat the moles and mice. None that are poisonous or anything to be scared of. And you hardly ever see'em at all. More likely to see friendly deer than snakes.
Black Forest Colorado Springs is a very nice peacfull place to live and we love it!
It's funny, I just noticed you live in Florida, most people go to Florida for the winter, and go to Colorado for the summer!

Back on topic.............

We actually live in Dominican Rep (an island in the Caribbean) for 6 month and in Miami FL. US for 6 month, both places to hot and getting very contaminated, to much internationals @. We were thinking of renting our home from Miami along with our Apt from Fort-Lauderdale (45min from Miami) and buy something more up north very likely what you have.
But my wife cannot even see a snake on TV nor a toy one. I can only imagine her if she finds one on the garden:eek::eek:. I guess she was killed by one on her last live before this one.
Well thx any ways.
Back to helis;)
Cheers

marc
2008.11.14, 03:01 PM
The chances of her seeing a snake is rare to none. More likely will see deer in her back yard than a snake so no worries there.

Hammer
2008.11.14, 08:04 PM
Regarding snakes, we only have a few here, the only one we've found in the house has been a garter snake. I've come across a few rattlesnakes while hiking on the bluffs above the Pacific Ocean & in the local foothills, you just need to be careful where you step. :)

Well, back to helicopters.

I was working in the office today so I had a little time to practice. I'm working on a new camera mounting system which will allow me to provide a much more dynamic perspective of my flight training.

This is definately NOT an easy helicopter to fly! You can see in the video how I'm constantly fighting the wind currents in the space, created by the helicopter itself. :eek:

I'm working on left, right and on rare occasions nose in orientations. As a novice RC pilot I crash a lot, but seem to be making progress slowly, will post more video when I have something new to show.

This is way too much fun! :D

My latest flight training video.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43BFlightTraining8.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43BFlightTraining8.flv)

marc
2008.11.14, 08:32 PM
Thank's for the info on it's difficulty level! My Airwolf does not like to crash at all. That's when it seems to go out of wack and then the next flight is almost impossible. Seems to want to wait a while before attempting again and then it's perfect.
My last attempt, I tried to video tape it, and what did it do? It crashed right into the camera! I guess it's camera shy :(
Will try again some time soon. As I said, it does look freaking cool when it hovers perfectly still with gun's out and ready to fight! LOL!

eztuner12
2008.11.14, 10:08 PM
Hi Hammer
Very nice hover man, I just love the sound of that heli, it really sounds very powerful. Can you please post a pic of the heli over your hand, so that I can apresiate it size?
About wind effects, yes when the wind bounces from the walls it creates some turbulence in the environment, same as when you hover about a foot or so from the floor, that’s what is called Vortex ring state.
Well today I practically totally destroyed my T-rex 450 SE V2:(, at least 85% is damage and haven’t finished the inspection yet. I was practicing on backward inverted flight for the second time after a while, this time, in a nice field near the ocean, really very stupid :rolleyes: from me do to the constant gusts of wind. A gust hit hard on my heli and instead of going higher I decided to go lower and smack:eek:, down to the ground tail rotor first, next head rotor, I was very lucky:), a chunk of one of the Rotor Tech CF blades just missed my head, I just heard the zoom :eek: passing by and ducked just on time I guess.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.14, 11:16 PM
OOPS! That's why I like smaller heli's! Big ones scare me! I get nervous watching my Dad hover cause he likes to be close to it. We are just in the stages of learning how to hover and he's slowly learning forward flight. Which is kind of funny as he's been into RC helicopters since the day they were invented! LOL! I guess he really never spent the time to actually fly theme that much.
However, the bigger they are, the more of that whoop whoop sound they make and that's the sound I like from helicopters!

One thing that always get's me shivers down my spine is that awesome sound that Airwolf makes in the tv show. What is that howling sound the helicopter makes? Sounds awesome!

eztuner12
2008.11.15, 12:39 AM
Iam really thinking on getting out of acrobats and just flight this thing around like real helis do, occasionally go inverted which I do pretty well. The advance 3D acrobats are very difficult to archive and only trying them is the only way to perfection, but I guess the price is to high and definitely you don’t pick-up money from the trees, I think I have pay for over 2 dozens T-rex 450 in part by now, really I think if I would only hover and fly them as normal helis do, I would have a beautiful large collection of them, all models, brands and colors oh yeah. I really like to put them together see them on a stand and definitely have a blast when have a good day of 3D without a crash. I still shake, any time I remember the sound of that 5 to 6 inches chunk of carbon fiber blade passing by me, who knows at what speed, really freak me out. I can only imagine what it could happen if it hit me. I am a kidney transplant patient and I can’t afford injuries like normal peoples. I have seen terrible accidents with RC helis, but never thought it could happen to me, really I am thinking of quitting 3D for good.
Cheers.

marc
2008.11.15, 07:29 PM
When I watch people do those crazy drunken 3D manuvers, it seems to me their just throwing the sticks around and watch the helicopter do whatever. I really dont' care for those stunt's as it ain't normal!

Cute little chopper you got their Hammer!

Hammer
2008.11.15, 07:37 PM
eztuner12, very sorry to hear about your recent horrific crash, but glad you weren't nailed by that fragment of main rotor blade, that could have been very serious. :(

I agree with you marc, I truly prefer flying as a real helicopter flies....now if I can get to that point with this helicopter. ;)

I think the main reason flying the 4#3B seems to be so difficult is due to the fact that this little bird responds to anything so very quickly, when it moves it REALLY moves. :eek:

As a pilot you have to stay completely focused and not let the machine go its own way, you must stay in control! I've found practice, practice, practice and control becomes somewhat automatic, if you have to think about doing something it's to late & you will crash. After a while you train your brain to react to the helicopters movements through your fingers, or thumbs in my case, on the transmitter sticks without really thinking about what your hand movements are, then and only then will you have a chance to fly this thing. You must stay ahead of the helicopters movements at all times to gain total control....anticipation is the name of the game. ;)

Anyway I'm still working on fright training and enjoying every minute of it. :D

Here's a pic of the 4#3 MIA Flight Trainer in my hand for scale.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/43miag10t9.jpg

marc
2008.11.15, 07:54 PM
When my Dad and I watch those 3D pilots, we wonder if they really truely know what their doing, or if as I said just throwing sticks around.

eztuner12
2008.11.15, 09:16 PM
Thanks for the pic Hammer. Yes very lucky the blade chunk didn't landed on me, A heli you can buy on the store, not an eye. So as an intelligent person Iam, I will take this as an warning and quit advance 3D acrobats, I do this for fun not to get injured and no one is paying me to do so.
Btw only the motor, battery, receiver and speed control survived the crash this time, as a matter of fact, I went back today to the field looking for the tail rotor, which I was missing, I found it buried on the ground about 2 inches from the surface:eek: with a piece of the boom and the drive belt, no blades.
So now I will stick to my Gaui 100 EP Pro and my Gaui Hurricane 200 for a while, I heard Align is coming out with a new T-rex 450 soon and maybe for X-mas I will get a nice mini like your Hammer and a nice fuselage for my Gaui 100 EP Pro or Gaui Hurricane EP 200.
marc, yes, you are on total control when 3D, as a matter of fact you plan ahead your maneuvers and followe thru, on competitions and to avoid accidents as well, only experts Gurus improvises but indeed you definitely control the bird, all acrobats maneuvers have their name as well, It is really a thrill to accomplish them and a super satisfaction when you show your expertise to others, but not any more for me that’s final:cool:
On the link you will see the fuselage I’m getting, and maybe a 3 blade hear rotor.:D
Cheers

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=3580
or
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=59_507&products_id=6892

eztuner12
2008.11.15, 09:37 PM
eztuner12, very sorry to hear about your recent horrific crash, but glad you weren't nailed by that fragment of main rotor blade, that could have been very serious. :(

I agree with you marc, I truly prefer flying as a real helicopter flies....now if I can get to that point with this helicopter. ;)

I think the main reason flying the 4#3B seems to be so difficult is due to the fact that this little bird responds to anything so very quickly, when it moves it REALLY moves. :eek:

As a pilot you have to stay completely focused and not let the machine go its own way, you must stay in control! I've found practice, practice, practice and control becomes somewhat automatic, if you have to think about doing something it's to late & you will crash. After a while you train your brain to react to the helicopters movements through your fingers, or thumbs in my case, on the transmitter sticks without really thinking about what your hand movements are, then and only then will you have a chance to fly this thing. You must stay ahead of the helicopters movements at all times to gain total control....anticipation is the name of the game. ;)

Anyway I'm still working on fright training and enjoying every minute of it. :D

Here's a pic of the 4#3 MIA Flight Trainer in my hand for scale.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/Walkera/MIA%20Upgrades%20for%20Walkera/43miag10t9.jpg
Hammer
Are those blades CF or composite plastic?:confused:

marc
2008.11.15, 10:12 PM
That Airwolf for the Mini won't fit the Trex, it's smaller. You need one for 450 size helicopters. I'll search and link you to the proper size you need. If your going to do Airwolf, do NOT use three bladed rotor head! Airwolf is two blades ONLY! I've seen it done before and it look's awefull to see Airwolf with three or four blades as it is TOTALLY INCORRECT!
Even my co-axial look's out of place for an Airwolf! LOL!
I am sure that those 3D guy's know what their doing, it just seems to us that their is no logical order of things when we see those do the "tick-tock" and what not.
The Heli-Artist fuselage like the one I have is the damn nicest fuselage for Airwolf you can buy and if I'd get the helicopter flying perfectly first before putting on such a nice fuselage. After all, you dont' want to crash and destroy that fiberglass fuse. That's why it took over a year before Dad and I put my Airwolf on my Trex, even WITH my Heli-Command moduel we needed to be sure it was perfectly rock-solid!

marc
2008.11.15, 10:14 PM
This one for fixed gear,
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=59_508&products_id=7675
This one for retracts.
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=59_508&products_id=6888

Look on bottom of page it clearly reads for 450 size helicopters.

marc
2008.11.15, 10:16 PM
"So now I will stick to my Gaui 100 EP Pro and my Gaui Hurricane 200 for a while, I heard Align is coming out with a new T-rex 450 soon and maybe for X-mas I will get a nice mini like your Hammer and a nice fuselage for my Gaui 100 EP Pro or Gaui Hurricane EP 200."

I'm sorry, I didn't pay attention and didn't know you had the smaller 200. So yea, that fuselage would fit. :D

eztuner12
2008.11.15, 10:32 PM
This one for fixed gear,
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=59_508&products_id=7675
This one for retracts.
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=59_508&products_id=6888

Look on bottom of page it clearly reads for 450 size helicopters.

Marc those fuselages I showed or for my Gaui 100 EP 100 Pro and the air wolf for the Gaui Hurricane EP 200 I actually have
I will wait for the suppose new T-rex 450 to come out and then buy it. But by now I will fly the two Gaui’s I have and most probably buy one like Hammer or similar
Yes I have thought about the air wolf to keep it two blade main rotor so it looks real but the color most probably go navy blue on top and light blue or white on bottom. A bout the BE-206 instead of blue top and white bottom as on the link pic, I will go red top with white stripes and white bottom.
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.11.15, 10:32 PM
"So now I will stick to my Gaui 100 EP Pro and my Gaui Hurricane 200 for a while, I heard Align is coming out with a new T-rex 450 soon and maybe for X-mas I will get a nice mini like your Hammer and a nice fuselage for my Gaui 100 EP Pro or Gaui Hurricane EP 200."

I'm sorry, I didn't pay attention and didn't know you had the smaller 200. So yea, that fuselage would fit. :D

Yeah right on!
Cheers:cool:

eztuner12
2008.11.15, 10:47 PM
Nice video of the T-rex 450 with air wolf fuselage. Definitely I will get one when buy the T- rex and tray to get it with retroactive landing gear, and go military camouflage too. This shop HeliDirect is my favorite in US territory Larry is great person. I have another Store at Hong Kong call Flying-hobby, the owner Fung is a great guy and help me a lot when learning to set-up the helli.
GOOODBY 3D’s Hasta la vista amigo hehehe:):):D

marc
2008.11.16, 03:51 PM
Yea, seems the "normal" flying is safer doesn't it? :)
I my selfe would much rather have the retractable version of this fuselage, but for now it's safer having the gears fixed so they don't collapse on you till you get your landing perfect.
Still, I'd make sure your helicopter was rock solid and your flying just as solid before mounting a georgeous fuselage on it. You don't want to crash 150-60 dollar fuselage and have it shred apart as fiberglass does. Their not impossible to fix, but their not easy either.
What ever you do, dont' forget to post pic's and vid's here!

eztuner12
2008.11.16, 05:15 PM
Yea, seems the "normal" flying is safer doesn't it? :)
I my selfe would much rather have the retractable version of this fuselage, but for now it's safer having the gears fixed so they don't collapse on you till you get your landing perfect.
Still, I'd make sure your helicopter was rock solid and your flying just as solid before mounting a georgeous fuselage on it. You don't want to crash 150-60 dollar fuselage and have it shred apart as fiberglass does. Their not impossible to fix, but their not easy either.
What ever you do, dont' forget to post pic's and vid's here!

I don’t worry about my flying skills what so ever, Iam pretty good at this, not as good as on-road racing which I am an expert with over 35 years of experience, but I have been working on 3D acrobats for the last year of my two years in the RC helis and many people consider me very good pilot, it is just the extremes maneuvers, when I tray to take it to the limit, you know, “competition” and practice is the only way, so there comes the crashes. I have seen world champs having more crashes in an event than me, that’s why they are so good.
My accident a couple days back was just the environment @ me, wind gust, trees, and electrical post wires, (very dull from me to go there) so when the strung gust hit me I was about 3 to 4 meters from the ground and had the sun on my front, so I couldn’t see the electrical wires and figured to go low, I was in a middle of backward inverted at high speed and the gust contributed to throw me down. It happened very similar moments before when I was working on inverted autos and rolling rainbows which are extremely difficult maneuvers, but at that time the sun was in my back, so I can see what was around my bird to make the right decision.
But I guess I have taken the right decision since my wife hated the 3Ds for the great amount of accidents she have seen during my expedition in this heli hobby; people getting stab by blades, photographers saved their eyes thanks to the camera don’t know how many leg cuts as well as hands and arms.
So she is getting me a nice gift for X-mas she told me last night, oh yeah!!! I hope is an Align T-rex 500 ESP Superior Combo:):):D
BTW Hammer, yours is a 4#3 or 4#3B?
Do you know if they are fuselages for it available?
Thxxxx
Cheers

lugnutz
2008.11.16, 06:49 PM
you will love the Trex 500 i have one and fly the s**t out of it if you need any info on setting it up let me know

marc
2008.11.16, 07:10 PM
Sounds cool! The only aerobatic's I'd like to learn with the helicopter when I've mastered forward flight is basic roll's and loops. That is something your likely to see Airwolf do! You know, more scale-like stunts? It would be awesome to watch Airwolf do a barrel roll!

eztuner12
2008.11.16, 09:01 PM
you will love the Trex 500 i have one and fly the s**t out of it if you need any info on setting it up let me know

Great to hear this. Definitely I will contact you for any help
Thxx… ;)
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.11.16, 09:45 PM
Sounds cool! The only aerobatic's I'd like to learn with the helicopter when I've mastered forward flight is basic roll's and loops. That is something your likely to see Airwolf do! You know, more scale-like stunts? It would be awesome to watch Airwolf do a barrel roll!

Marc before intending to go looping or rolls there is a long way forward.
Is extremely important to learn very well the First circuits starting with tail in circles, get used to go right side, left side, fly sideways left and right, lazy eight slower and faster, master ground effects, emergency landing, short forward flight and returning backwards and so on
After mastering firs circuit then comes Advance circuits that include orientation at high flights, high- speed flights, high-speed descents, steed turns, flare etc. Then advance hovering slow hovering, taratatan… nose-in hovering, learning to go nose-in circuit is very difficult and challenging, you have to program your brain to thinK opposite, if you want to go left push your stick right, want to go right push your stick left it really sound easy but wait until you start trying it, forward circuit, backwards circuit, constant heading circles, circular circuit, horizontal eight, Iam very accounted with this since I worm up doing some of them before a 3D acrobat to see if the heli is proper set and to set-up my brain some days I just go out and do only advance circuits and advance hovering to keep tune and in shape. Then comes Autorotation followed by aerobatics that include loops, the roll, barrel roll, true roll and combination, then the last, advanced aerobatics.
So start practicing and prepare your pocket. Btw don’t you have any RC flying academy/school near your area, it really helps to have someone to teach you and be there when you are learning, it would certainly save you money and lots of time.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.16, 10:22 PM
Trust me, I know. I'm just trying to get the hang of hovering the helicopter! After I've mastered hovering in all directions, then comes forward flight which I can some what do for a few feet. I try to follow an imaginary square and turn around in that. The co-axials help me more with orientation such as hovering the helicopter faceing torwards you.
I was just saying after I've had a few circuits of forward flight under my belt, then I'd like to learn the simple roll's and loops.

lugnutz
2008.11.18, 09:08 PM
get a simulator trust me it helps i'm on it for 30 mins. a day no matter what and practice with a purpose

marc
2008.11.18, 10:18 PM
We have a simulator, but I dont' use it much. I prefer flying the co-axials around. I need to re-thread lock my tail system on my Trex after putting the fuselage on it. Then fly it around a bit.
Only problem with computer games, is no depth perception and no worries about crashing. All though I have been told to fly it as if you were flying the real thing and not just playing a game.
Plus the games don't help me as I tend to fly from the tail-view as I can't do it from the ground-view like in real life.

eztuner12
2008.11.18, 10:22 PM
get a simulator trust me it helps i'm on it for 30 mins. a day no matter what and practice with a purpose
Hi,
I agree with ya 100%. Books and DVD will tell you how too. But they miss so many that at the time you go out on the field is like you haven’t read nothing or seen nothing, as a mater of fact, you will start to get worry about things that happened that you haven’t seen or read about, that you will think there is something wrong with the bird.
I practice about 3 to 4 days on a week for about 1hr or so, just for fun and to keep in shape. I certainly recommend to take it seriously, when on the simulator, as if you are flying the real thing, or better yet, as if you where in the simulator heli, that if you go down you will have to get some $ to repair the heli or that you will die on the crash, if you take it as a joke and go crazy and play @ with it, just wait until you go out and see what happens:eek::eek:.
I have the E-sky simulator very cheap and very good too, it comes with 4 channel transmitter too, for the simulator only of course:rolleyes:.
Cheers

marc
2008.11.18, 10:32 PM
Definetly, simulators are as the word suggests. They "Simulate" the real thing, I have hardly ever heard of theme as being referd to a "video game."
A "video game," is for having fun with, a "simulator" is for learning. Ever heard of Airline pilot's training on a video game? NO! They always call it a simulator! :)
It's also pretty cool how most of the good simulators allow you to plug in your actual transmitter so you have the same feelings in your hand from when you go from computer to real world. Much better than trying to transfer from a "Computer joy-stick" type deal, to your true transmitter.

eztuner12
2008.11.18, 10:46 PM
Definetly, simulators are as the word suggests. They "Simulate" the real thing, I have hardly ever heard of theme as being referd to a "video game."
A "video game," is for having fun with, a "simulator" is for learning. Ever heard of Airline pilot's training on a video game? NO! They always call it a simulator! :)
It's also pretty cool how most of the good simulators allow you to plug in your actual transmitter so you have the same feelings in your hand from when you go from computer to real world. Much better than trying to transfer from a "Computer joy-stick" type deal, to your true transmitter.


Hi marc,
Very well put;). Absolutely right very good comparison, about real pilots and their test on simulators.
The Tx that came with the E-sky simulator is like the real thing just that 4 channels as I mentioned, and with a cord that you plug to your computer, the program is cool, it has many fields to select many different views of the heli and field to select to different helis to choose and airplanes too
Cheers

marc
2008.11.18, 11:12 PM
I forget which one it is that we have, but it has the Bell 222 helicopter which is the closest I'll have to my Airwolf. I enjoy practicing with that when I get to it. I just wish one of these flight simulators would actually have AIRWOLF on it! But I suppose the Bell 222 which is based on is close enough!
I like the comment's that some of the other "pilots" in the simulator say.
"Watch out for the birds!" LOL! That always makes me laugh for some reason.

MikeL
2008.11.19, 10:30 AM
I borrowed RF 3.5 from a friend and the difference it made in about 3 hours of practice would well be worth the $ if you plan to fly the real thing. I'm sure to have done well oevr 20k in damage to the "simu" copter :) I can tail in hover fairly well, do some loops and fly upside down and actually bring it back to land. I certainly wouldn't try anything other than a hover with a real ship yet.

I think one of these Walkera's will be the next step after the sim is "mastered".

marc
2008.11.19, 02:05 PM
I should have gotten the simulator package that was an option for my Walkera. Wonder how much that costs alone and if I can still get one. Wonder how detailed the simulator is.
Alot of video games make you earn money to buy upgrades and what not. I wonder if simulators should do similar to force you to practice like the real thing. But they dont', so oh well.

Hammer
2008.11.19, 05:00 PM
I really need to check in more often, sorry still very busy with work. ;)

Hammer
Are those blades CF or composite plastic?:confused:All of the Walkera 4#3's have plastic blades which are very durable, in all of my learning to date I've only broken three.

The stock helicopter in the picture I posted with the Mini-Z CHP Caprice is the 4#3B.

As far as simulators are concerned, I'm totally a Mac guy and am not aware of any flight simulators for the Macintosh OSX, so I'm learning with the real thing and actually making progress. I think being forced to learn on the real thing has been a good thing for me. :D

Hovering and flying tail-in is very easy for me now, very cool! :cool:

I can easily navigate my entire training airspace, left, right, forward, backward , up and down for as long as I want. I'm able to work left to right & right to left orientations smoothly even above my head and not crashing, which is also very satisfying. :D

I'm slowly working to nose-in which requires total concentration, but I know now I'll be able to accomplish noes-in, with time.....practice, practice, practice & more practice. :)

I'll post some more video soon.

marc
2008.11.19, 05:12 PM
Nose in is tricky to learn and that is where the co-axials help me. While the controls and directions are EXACTLY the same as tail-in, we perseive it as being backwards and thus nose in can be tricky. We're thinking hover to the right, but we want the helicopter to hover to the left. It's really hard to do, but you've got to put your mind inside the helicopters cabin as if from the pilot's view.
With the co-axials, I can easily learn this without dealing with the rest of the controls!

Hammer
2008.11.19, 06:32 PM
Nose in is tricky to learn and that is where the co-axials help me. While the controls and directions are EXACTLY the same as tail-in, we perseive it as being backwards and thus nose in can be tricky. We're thinking hover to the right, but we want the helicopter to hover to the left. It's really hard to do, but you've got to put your mind inside the helicopters cabin as if from the pilot's view.
With the co-axials, I can easily learn this without dealing with the rest of the controls!marc, I know the benefits of the co-axials, that's why I started this thread to discover a true 4 channel FP micro helicopter with the hopes of providing some information regarding what might be involved in trying to fly one. ;)

Let's just simply say flying the 4#3B noes-in is not EVEN remotely close to flying any co-axial nose-in.

The 4#3B is a whole new ball game, and a whole lot of fun! :D

marc
2008.11.19, 07:27 PM
I beleive you that they are completely different and I'm glad your having fun with the 4#3. I was just saying what works for me.
How long did it take you for your MIA upgrades to arrive? I've ordered mine Monday and have not heard anything from theme at all. How quickly are they and how is their customer service? I'm expecting my MCX upgrade package soon.

eztuner12
2008.11.19, 07:49 PM
Hey hey just a sec guys, so on a co-axial heli there is no difference when flying tail-in and nose-in?? How cloud that be???????:confused::confused:
Maybe dumb but never have had a co-axial on my hands:o
Cheers

marc
2008.11.19, 09:33 PM
There is no difference at all between co-axial and conventional as far as nose-in is concerned. I was just saying that for me, co-axial is easier to learn nose-in as you dont' have to concentrate on the rest of the controls like you would on a conventional helicopter.
With a conventional helicopter, you have to concentrate on keeping it in one spot and when it's nose-in facing you, that's harder to do. As I was saying about co-axial's, they naturally stay put till you give command, thus their easier to learn orientation, nose-in, leftside-in, rightside-in and so forth. Sorry if I confused you.

Hammer
2008.11.23, 05:10 PM
co-axial is easier to learn nose-in as you dont' have to concentrate on the rest of the controls like you would on a conventional helicopter. With a conventional helicopter, you have to concentrate on keeping it in one spot and when it's nose-in facing you, that's harder to do.marc, that is exactly why a true FP 4-channel this size is so difficult to learn, the rest of the controls are what take the time to learn and provide more realistic control and flight...so you are correct co-axials in that they are easier to fly, however they are not the same as flying a FP 4-channel helicopter nose-in. ;)

Speaking of nose-in, I'm still working on it and it's still a bit scary for me but I am able to navigate my flying space very well side to side fore and aft up and down in left and right orientations. :D

Here's my latest training video.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/th_Walkera43BFlightTraining9.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/?action=view&current=Walkera43BFlightTraining9.flv)

lugnutz
2008.11.23, 06:30 PM
with nose in flying the trick i learned is that if the heli leans to the right you give stick command to the same side the blades lean i tend to fly by watching my blades because they remind me of wings,i fly every weekend,i've been doing it for three years now and love it now i'm back to racing after seven years and can't get enough of either,i almost want to quit work so i can fly during the day and race at night

hammer great flying keep it up

marc
2008.11.23, 06:49 PM
Trick with nose-in, is right ain't left and left aint' right. Or something like that :D
Hammer, I'm not seeing video, I'm only seeing picture!

lugnutz
2008.11.23, 07:03 PM
marc click on the picture and it goes to vid

marc
2008.11.23, 08:20 PM
marc click on the picture and it goes to vid

Nope, not working for me. I click and it just shows a magnifying glass and zoomes in and that's it. No vid.

Hammer
2008.11.28, 06:45 PM
I just received my 4G3, the new 6-Cannel CP Micro Helicopter from Walkera. It looks very interesting, I'm anxious to take it apart and see how it works. :D

Here are a few pics.

The box:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/Walkera%204G3/walkera4g34.jpg

What's in the box:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/Walkera%204G3/walkera4g35.jpg

The WK-2601 Transmitter:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/Walkera%204G3/walkera4g36.jpg

The 4G3:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/Walkera%204G3/walkera4g37.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/Walkera%204G3/walkera4g38.jpg

The 4G3 with the 4#3B and my 4#3B MIA Flight Trainer for size comparison:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r144/1Hammer/MIcro%20Flight/Walkera%204G3/walkera4g39.jpg

marc
2008.11.28, 07:15 PM
Cool trio.
My MIA MCX.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08473.jpg
Skids coming on soon.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08476.jpg
I love flying this even more that it's not so toyish looking now!
Look's very cool in flight, will post video some time this weekend.

marc
2008.11.30, 04:51 PM
Continuing pic's of my backyard due to interests in the deer. I'd thought I'd show you today's snow. We have over a foot of snow and it's still coming down! I dont' think I'm going anywhere for a few day's!
Looking at our front deck with snow drifts about knee high. Probably need to shovel soon if I want to receive packages. :D
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08486.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08485.jpg
From living room window.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08484.jpg
Other living room window.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08483.jpg
Sorry, I only thought of placing these pic's here because of previous post with deer in background. Could start a backyard thread?

eztuner12
2008.11.30, 06:54 PM
Hey marc
Man you want to kill me from envy right???
Just beautiful, don’t mind to shovel it for you, if you invite me over.
Here the temp is @ 80

Hammer this new bird of yours is about the same size than my Gaui EP100 PRO
Are the hear blades @ 180mm?
Cheers
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/eztuner12/GauiEP100PR0007.jpg
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/eztuner12/GauiEP100PR0002.jpg
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/eztuner12/GauiEP100PR0004.jpg
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/eztuner12/RCPTrack009.jpg

Hammer
2008.11.30, 07:59 PM
Hammer this new bird of yours is about the same size than my Gaui EP100 PRO Are the hear blades @ 180mm?
CheersMain rotor diameter: 302mm
Tail rotor diameter: 58mm
Overall length: 273mm. :)

eztuner12
2008.11.30, 08:16 PM
Main rotor diameter: 302mm
Tail rotor diameter: 58mm
Overall length: 273mm. :)

Thxx
That’s @ 48mm shorter than the Gaui (Main rotor diameter)
Please post a video as soon you can
Again Thxxx
Cheers

marc
2008.11.30, 08:55 PM
[QUOTE=eztuner12;326241]Hey marc
Man you want to kill me from envy right???
Just beautiful, don’t mind to shovel it for you, if you invite me over.
Here the temp is @ 80

QUOTE]


That would be awesome, I HATE SHOVELING! LOL! But hopefully the snow will stop tonight and it will start clearing up by tomarrow. No point in shoveling if it's still snowing, right?
Only problem with the cold weather is the mice like to come inside where it's warm. So, my cat is very buisy! At least she's got a job! :rolleyes:

80 I think is too hot for me, but at least I won't have to shovel anything with those temp's! :)

It's snow like that where I want to find a really, really good RC snowmobile!

eztuner12
2008.11.30, 10:39 PM
Maybe you like to trade
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/eztuner12/dominican-republic1.jpg
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/eztuner12/ski2.jpg
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/eztuner12/dominican_beach.jpg

marc
2008.11.30, 11:15 PM
Nice, that where you live?
Anyway, sorry to go off topic again, but are field mice a problem? I think we have like 4-5 forest mice running around in the house. My cat has caught one, but still see a few. I try to keep my food in containers that they can't get too as easily and I look for signs every morning.
Sorry Hammer, don't mean to take your thread in another direction.

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 12:01 AM
Hey maybe you can followe them mice with your heli and chase them out or maybe contract them as pilots.
Yes the place is beautiful but the people well rather not talk about it. This is a 4th world country just imagine no energy power for 12 to18 hr a day and it is becoming a paradise for criminals and corruption, we got them locals and internationals, FBI and Interpol know this place pretty well, the Government “1st corrupted” to get more money, they promote the place for foreign investment and never ask where the $ comes from, this is a big laundry for drug and corruption money and #1 drugs bridge to USA:(:o:o

marc
2008.12.01, 11:15 AM
My questions was is the mice a problem?

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 12:45 PM
My questions was is the mice a problem?

Forest mice? not a problem. City rats yes.
Cheers

marc
2008.12.01, 12:48 PM
But don't they all carry diseases?
Anyway, back to helicopters. Hammer, which one of those three do you like the best so far? What is different btween those three and can you give us details about each one? Do they have different "personalities" or are they all the same characteristics?

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 12:53 PM
Hammer are the 4G3 head rotor blades of foam?
Marc, NO boom rotor on the MCX???
Thx
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 01:51 PM
But don't they all carry diseases?
Anyway, back to helicopters. Hammer, which one of those three do you like the best so far? What is different btween those three and can you give us details about each one? Do they have different "personalities" or are they all the same characteristics?

Yes they do and they are mostly transmitted to human thru their urine and S specially Mice fever, but they don’t attack you as city rats do and very rear rabbis cases on them opposite to city rats. Rats are very difficult to control and they will bite and eat your flesh up to the bone when you are sleeping and you won’t even noticed since their saliva is like anesthesia.
Lyme disease is very common in field mice too. City rats carry all kind of terrible dresses even that kills human.

Good Q to Hammer;)
Cheers

MikeL
2008.12.01, 02:04 PM
We need a video if that new 4G3 inverted ;)

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 02:19 PM
We need a video if that new 4G3 inverted ;)

Oh yeah man!!;)

MikeL
2008.12.01, 02:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdjaidupDuo

!!!!

marc
2008.12.01, 02:40 PM
No, most co-axials do NOT have a motor in the rear. Thank's for the off-topic information. Fortunetly, we dont' have any rat's around here. Just tiny little mice. Kind of cute, but obnoxious and get into everything. My cat's doing her best! It's like watching Tom and Jerrry, but I think my cat is much smarter than Tom. :D

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 03:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdjaidupDuo

!!!!

Very steady I can see, well indoors, I really hate when the replace the beautiful sound of the heli with music.
Thx man!
Cheers

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 04:06 PM
No, most co-axials do NOT have a motor in the rear. Thank's for the off-topic information. Fortunetly, we dont' have any rat's around here. Just tiny little mice. Kind of cute, but obnoxious and get into everything. My cat's doing her best! It's like watching Tom and Jerrry, but I think my cat is much smarter than Tom. :D

Well very interesting no tail motor, so they don’t have torque reaction and no need for gyro right?
We have our Tom here to; she’s a killer too. It will catch birds on air; I have to lock her when flying helis at home.
Cheers

marc
2008.12.01, 04:59 PM
Off topic again, sorry Hammer, my cat won't chase any of my toy's unless there is a string attached to it.
Co-Axials usually don't need a tail motor nor have I seen one with a gyro on it. It's the counter-rotating blades that make it stable thus iliminating the need for a gyro. The way the helicopter turns left/right is by slowing one of the blades down, thus the helicopter will spin I think in the direction of the faster blade. A few cheap "toy" helicopters will have a tail rotor as a way of either controlling left/right, or in some case forward/back, up/down. The forward/back up/down are the kinds where the tail rotor is facing upward. I'll try and find a pic of one.

There is also another type of helicopter that is conventional, but has no tail rotor. It is a jet-powered helicopter who's jet exaust is aimed towards the tail and with vent's the exaust controls direction. This is called a Notar.

eztuner12
2008.12.01, 05:53 PM
Yes I have seen a few real NOTAR system (NO Tail Rotor), flying, as well as, RC at different heli events. The inside turbine impulses air thru the boom and this air pushes the tail to the right or left, as the boon rotor do
If I am not wrong, I think Vario helicopters makes rc NOTAR.
Cheers

Hammer
2008.12.05, 04:56 PM
Hammer, which one of those three do you like the best so far? What is different btween those three and can you give us details about each one? Do they have different "personalities" or are they all the same characteristics?I'm still very busy with work and haven't had time to fly the 4G3. :(

I'm hoping to have some time between now and Christmas to fly, so I'll hopefully have a comparison soon. :)

eztuner12
2008.12.05, 08:08 PM
I'm still very busy with work and haven't had time to fly the 4G3. :(

I'm hoping to have some time between now and Christmas to fly, so I'll hopefully have a comparison soon. :)

gooooood
Cheers

marc
2008.12.05, 09:57 PM
Cool, looking forward to it. And yes, the Notar is very cool! I've also seen the RC version. Look's odd withou the tail rotor WITHOUT it being co-axial. But it sounds awesome!

eztuner12
2008.12.05, 10:30 PM
Here are two vids of R/C NOTARS birds for your enjoyment specially its sound.
It is off topic, but as a heli fan I know Hammer will enjoy them after a hard working day:).
Cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8oEHozMQzI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU5Rm5z9Wxw

marc
2008.12.06, 05:51 PM
You know, seems to me a while back I started a micro-helicopter thread some where in this forum. Perhaps one of the moderators can merge this thread, and the Eflite MCX thread into that and start a new catagory? Perhaps?

marc
2008.12.13, 11:00 AM
Some pictures of me flying my Walkera 54-Q3 Airwolf at our downtown city auditorium this past Thuresday night. We have the privlage to fly here about once a month. A groupe of about 20 of us come and fly small electric aircraft.
My Dad got some nice shot's of it in flight!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08501.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08503.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08504.jpg
Here's an interesting shot of it, look's like it's just sitting on the railing there doesn't it?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08506.jpg

eztuner12
2008.12.13, 11:42 AM
LOOKING GOOD
Hey naice place to fly indors, yes indeed
Cheers

marc
2008.12.13, 11:51 AM
Thank's, notice in the background our collection of helicopters? I'll post a clearer picture of the lot soon.
We've learend one thing about this Walkera, it does NOT like having the battery plugged into the helicopter while the helicopter is upside down. We think it messes up the gyro and the helicopter starts to misbehave. It needs to be sitting upright while being plugged in.

marc
2008.12.13, 11:55 AM
Our collection.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08494.jpg
My Trex Airwolf in the back, which unfortunetly got dropped and broke the battery tray uppon entering the building. So it never had a chance to fly that night. It's all fixed now, we have a co-axial Shnook transport helicopter, my Eflite MCX, Dad's green Venom 450 size 3D heli which he forgot the transmitter for, the small yellow one up front is his Digitronics micro 3D which is a bit hairy to fly, but way cool, a Kyosho minium airplane, and another co-axial helicopter.

eztuner12
2008.12.13, 01:34 PM
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08504.jpg



At the pic were you appear do to the pic perspective vew it seems the airwolf is part of the collection and the biggest one!
Cheers

marc
2008.12.13, 01:36 PM
Only cause it is closer to you in the photo.
You can see in the background far right the co-axial Shnook "bannana" helicopter.

eztuner12
2008.12.13, 03:51 PM
Only cause it is closer to you in the photo.
You can see in the background far right the co-axial Shnook "bannana" helicopter.

Yep, not clear, but I can see it
How dos it flys?

marc
2008.12.13, 06:50 PM
..............odd. It almost has a sea-saw effect. Look's really good in flight though, almost makes you want to get some Lego-men with parachutes and have'em drop out the rear!

marc
2008.12.15, 01:09 PM
Anybody seen Kyosho's new Minium AD 120 helicopter? Tiny little thing, conventional type with gyro, cyclic action, 3.7 Lipo battery, very cool looking thing. I wonder if it flys as well as my Dad's Hirobo Quark. I'm very, very interested in it as the Quark is easy to fly for a conventional helicopter.

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/helicopters/index.php?part_num=20101

cdog4w
2008.12.16, 01:30 PM
Wanted to chime in since I just finished modifying my 4#3B by adding a brushless main motor :P I got 9 minutes on my 2nd flight and the motor was barely warm! My final weight is 52.0g up from the stock 50.4g which isn't too bad considering. I'm using a TheSteve converter (low speed), a XQControl (ebay) ESC and a losi 10250kV motor. Stock B gearing and I do get a bit more power, but mostly its just for longer flights and never having to replace a main motor on the heli again. I got a lot of flights off my original stock brushed main (100 or so), but in general their life span is not too great.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1327/imgp4013ss5.jpg

marc
2008.12.16, 07:33 PM
My Dad just picked up a new helicopter today from Nine Eagles. It is their Kestrel 500SX 218A helicopter. It's conventional type, same size as my Walkera Airwolf, and he just test flew it and sais it's pretty stable, but not as good as the Hirobo Quark.
The body is of the Hughes 500 "Magnum PI" type helicopter, very nicely done, tail rotor motor seems to lack some power, but may need to warm up. Who knows.
Over all, I think he likes it, I was hoping to have it since he's got the Quark. I'm pondering if with some mod's can I fit the Airwolf fuselage around the 218A for a more scale-like heli. Meaning, not having the co-axial. Will have to see how much use Dad get's from the 218 and if it's worth investing in one for my selfe. Will try and post pic's of it next to my Airwolf soon.

Had another successful flight with my Airwolf a few hours ago. Seems the helicopter is very sensative with how it's plugged in and how the electronics engage. If not done right, the helicopter veers diagnoly to the right. But when done right, it's as solid as a rock and a joy to fly.

Hammer
2008.12.19, 05:38 PM
Anybody seen Kyosho's new Minium AD 120 helicopter? Tiny little thing, conventional type with gyro, cyclic action, 3.7 Lipo battery, very cool looking thing. I wonder if it flys as well as my Dad's Hirobo Quark. I'm very, very interested in it as the Quark is easy to fly for a conventional helicopter.From everything I've read, the Kyosho Caliber 120 is not easy to fly. Experienced pilots seem to find it much harder to fly than the Walkera 4#3B which isn't easy for a novice pilot to begin with.

You might want to wait on this one, at $179.00 USD it seems a bit expensive for what you're getting, IMO. ;)

eztuner12
2008.12.19, 06:05 PM
I have had experience with Kyosho birds, not my but from a couple of friends who have regret baying it, Instruction Manuals is the only good thing they have, bad parts quality as well as durability, very low. Price is ok but you will know why as soon you have it, Low quality parts. Regarding fly experience never as good as a Gaui, Align, Raptor, HDX or Walkera, to mention a few, not even close. Dont know about the 120, but going from other Kyiosho models as the the Caliber4 & 450V, I won't buy it.
Cheers

Slipstream
2008.12.19, 09:28 PM
Marc is that you in the picture flying the heli?

Dudemeister
2008.12.21, 06:51 PM
I have had experience with Kyosho birds, not my but from a couple of friends who have regret baying it, Instruction Manuals is the only good thing they have, bad parts quality as well as durability, very low. Price is ok but you will know why as soon you have it, Low quality parts. Regarding fly experience never like a Gaui, Align, Raptor, HDX or Walkera, to mention a few, not even close. Dont know about the 120, but going from other Kyiosho models as the the Caliber4 & 450V, I won't buy it.
Cheers

So let me get this straight, you don't like the Align, or the Gaui, or the Kyosho... Then which ones do you like?

I would agree that Walkera is not great, and the HDX copies of the T-Rex are not all that good, but the Align helis are very well made and well regarded, and the Gauis are well made and durable as well. I have a Trex 450 as well as a Gaui 100 Pro and I think they're great. I plan on getting the new Trex 250 as soon as they're widely available.

As for T-Rex copies there are some that aren't all that bad. EXI Hobby makes a perfect copy of a T-Rex 450 SA, for only about $100, and as long as you don't try to do any hardcore 3D, is quite flyable. I used it for my scale helis.

Here are some pics of my birds:

http://digistealth.com/Public/Helis/T-Rex450_Front_Left_med.jpg
http://digistealth.com/Public/Helis/Hughes_MD500_Left_med.jpg
http://digistealth.com/Public/Helis/Agusta_right_med.jpg
http://digistealth.com/Public/Helis/Gaui-100_pink_front_left_med.jpg

eztuner12
2008.12.21, 08:02 PM
Hi Dudemeister
I meant “never like (as) a”
Like can mean; similar to, reminiscent of, resembling, in the vein of, approximating, as a, and so on. It depends how you use the word in the sentence.
To me, Align is the best bird you can get, specially 500 & 450, never had try the new 250 to make a comment of it, Gaui-Hurricane 200 & 100 EP Pro, top of the line in its sizes.
Hope is clear.;)
BTW, nice helis there.
Cheers:cool:

eztuner12
2008.12.27, 10:12 PM
Hello!
Here is a link to one of my favorite heli shops, were you can apresiate the all-new Gaui EP200V2FES. It is just a beauty and according to Fung, the shop owner and heli expert, it is the best bird in it size ever built, the T-rex 250 wont even go closer to it:eek:. It offers a superb flying experience, indoors as well as out doors, plus incredible 3D capabilities. So here is another mini heli to add to any collection.:):):D
Hope you guys enjoy it.;)
Cheers
Gaui EP200V2FES +Pics
http://flying-hobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3_5_247&products_id=4095

Gaui EP200V2FES Profile + more pics
http://www.gaui.com.tw/index_en.html

Dudemeister
2008.12.28, 03:11 PM
Hello!
...it is the best bird in it size ever built, the T-rex 250 wont even go closer to it:eek:...

Whoa there.... I don't know about that. Have you seen the T-Rex 250 and the Gaui 200 in person?

I did have a chance to handle both during stages of construction though, and comparing the 2 birds based on quality of components, choice of materials, and fit and finish they are solid. Both have carbon fiber frames, and CNC mechanics and are smooth, although the T-Rex has a slight edge on the finish quality.

The T-Rex however, is a little better laid out as far as location of servos and electronics, better balanced than the Gaui, and it feels less cramped under the canopy.

Based on layout design alone, the T-Rex would be better suited for 3D aerobatics. The Gaui has loads of power and such, but it's a handful when doing inverted flight and other 3D. I'm personally not into that type of flight, I've flown it in normal flight, but even doing sharp maneuvers seem a bit sluggish and not very crisp. This same observation was made by others that have flown the Gaui and tried 3D aerobatics.

As far as either of these birds being outdoor fliers, yeah, sort of, as long as it's a very calm day. These birds weigh about 250-280 grams fully loaded (AUW), and the smallest amount of wind will push them around. So they're really for indoor use, like a gymnasium or a large hall.

eztuner12
2008.12.28, 06:33 PM
Hi Dudemeister.
First, I like to wish ya a very happy new 2009 full of health and prosperity!!!:)
No I have not seen them in person nor the Gaui EP200V2 FES or the new T-rex 250
I sold my Gaui Hurricane 200 last week and contacted Fung from Flying–hobby (my favorite heli shop at Hong Kong) in line to order the Gaui EP200V2 or the T-rex 250, when Fung mentioned his recommendation on the new “Flybarless” Gaui EP200V2FES.
I am an enthusiast for both brands :) and have owned helis from both, considering the Align a better product than the Gaui. I still own an EP100 PRO fully CNC and am in the middle of negotiations on my Gaui EP 425 CF. Few weeks ago I totally destroy my T-rex 450 SE V2 while practicing advance acrobatics in front of the ocean, which I intend to replace with another T-rex 450 SE V2 or a 500. I was in a middle of backward inverted at high speed and a wind gust threw the bird and since I had the sun in front that blinded me and some electric wires around I figured to go low, and smack totally destroys.:eek::)
I trust Fung knowledge, but as he always tells me, to do my homework and go around seeking for more info, I am actually in that proses, have had talk to many and had have quite a response about the Align 250 bird, since no one of my friend from US have had the Gaui “Flybarless” Gaui EP200V2FES on hands or any flying experience, I will have to contact a few friend from HK to hear from them. Base on this I will make my final decision. I really like the Flybarless concept with the GAUI Flybarless E-Stabilizer GU-365, Never had have a Flybarless bird.
Do you work for TSH that had the opportunity to see the new “Flybarless” Gaui EP200V2FES during stages of construction or are a design consultant to have the chance to handle both helis during stages of construction?? If so your comment would be valuated & apresiate for this decision, for what I really thank you!
Cheers

Dudemeister
2008.12.28, 06:58 PM
Do you work for TSH that had the opportunity to see the new “Flybarless” Gaui EP200V2FES during stages of construction or are a design consultant to have the chance to handle both helis during stages of construction?? If so your comment would be valuated & apresiate for this decision, for what I really thank you!
Cheers

I'm sorry, but the comments I made were based on the Gaui 200, not the V2 flybarless version. I looked again at the links you posted and realized that this is indeed a different version.

So no, I never flew this little bird. Sorry about the confusion.

I originally had a flybarless 3 blade rotor for my scale MD500, and frankly I though it was a beast to fly. The flybar adds dramatic amount of stability to the system. It seems to act as a dampener, and without it the reaction of the collective is so instant and sharp that it doesn't allow for any mistakes. So I put back the original rotor head and got rid of the 3 blade rotor

Considering how "skiddish" the little birds are to start with, I would never consider a flybarless for anything less than 500-600 class. So obviously that would not be on my shopping list.

If you do get one, let me know how it handles.

eztuner12
2008.12.28, 10:28 PM
Hi Dudemeister
OK! No problem, I to was confused at first, when Fung was trying to explain with his terrible English. I could not understand why he didn't want me to buy the EP200V2 and was recommending me to buy it:confused:, at the end I realized it was a different bird, the EP200V2”FES”

About the new innovating "GAUI Flybarless E-Stabilizer GU-365" This new electronic is practically responsible of the outstanding performance you can achieve with the new “Flybarless” Gaui EP200V2FES In adition to the new Maxwell-MD S60HB Digital Servos. Many enthusiast are ordering the GAUI Flybarless E-Stabilizer GU-365, to install it to their birds. Here is some info about it; I copy it from Fungs www.
Cheers;)

FES gyro is very very easy in setting, customer just have to finish all setting on his
transmitter, then connect the gyro and receiver and set a switch for initialization, all data on the transmitter will be programed into the FES gyro immediately, if he wants to change the initial setting, just adjust it on the transmitter and set the switch again for initialization, and for the most important thing "the retail price", it will be only $199 USD.
And the customer do not even have to buy the tail gyro such as Futaba GY-401 for his heli, because the FES gyro come with 3-Axis gyro and the tail gyro is also
included.

The GU-365 GYRO come with new Piezo V2 that does not drift like others, but this gyro
is not suitable for the Nitro power helis because nitro engines result more vibrations.

The GU-365 come with 3 gyro elements, it means that customers do not have to buy a extra tail gyro for the heading hold tail control, and it is also compatible for the auxiliary tail gyro such as Futaba gy-611 for those top pilots. please refer to the instruction manual for the wiring.

http://flying-hobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=232_233&products_id=3882

Dudemeister
2008.12.28, 11:00 PM
Hi Dudemeister
..."GAUI Flybarless E-Stabilizer GU-365" This new electronic is practically responsible of the outstanding performance you can achieve with the new “Flybarless” Gaui EP200V2FES...

Now this makes more sense. I saw a very interesting article in RC Heli mag about a year ago on a system made by CSM using 3 separate gyros, and a governor box called a "Cyclock" controlling all the gyros. Basically all the servos on the cyclic were plugged into their own gyros and the whole thing was managed by the Cyclock, and the Cyclock was plugged into the receiver. This seems to be the same thing only it got reduced down to a single box, which contains a 3 axis gyro and controls the servo output of the cyclic control. Very cool!!:)

The CSM system was prohibitively expensive and was originally meant for large helis. This Gaui system should allow anyone to setup a flybarless system for a lot less money. I might even consider re-doing a multi-blade rotor for my MD-500.

Let me know how it flies when you get it.:)

marc
2009.01.01, 02:34 PM
Hi there guy's, if you want to go fly-barless, you'll need some sort of electronic auto-stabilization system like the Heli-Command moduel that I have. There are cheaper ones out there, but the Heli-Command is the best, and they are working on a smaller unit for the smaller than 450-size helicopters. I'm looking for a scale-rotor head assembly for my Airwolf.
Anyway, I got a new helicopter for Xmas! I got the Nine-Eagles Hughes 500 helicopter which is physically the same size as my Walkera Co-axial Airwolf, but this is a conventional helicopter, no co-axial buisness here. We have noticed that the most stable helicopters seem to have the fly-bar at an odd angle to the main blades. Your typical helicopter like my trex, the fly-bar is perpindicular. Not the case here, it's more like at a 45 degree angle. We think this is one of the features that makes it so stable and so easy to fly.
Here are some pictures of my 500 first by itselfe, then with Mini-Z, then with Airwolf.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08511.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08512.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08513.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08514.jpg
The 45 degree fly-bar.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08518.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08519.jpg

marc
2009.01.01, 02:36 PM
Next to Mini-Z
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08509.jpg

Next to Airwolf. I think with a bit of work, I can make the Airwolf fuselage fit this helicopter as it's ton's better. The Walkera Airwolf is not a consistant flyer. It works only half the time and the other half it's a peice of poo. But as I absolutely love the fuselage, I think it would be freaking sweet to have it on this much more realistic helicopter.
Of coarse, I plan on flying this 500 lot's of times before changing it over to the Airwolf.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08515.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08516.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08517.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08520.jpg

marc
2009.01.01, 03:03 PM
Almost forgot! Pic's of my brother flying it in his living room! A very stable fun to fly heli!
Take off!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/Iphone689.jpg
Fly torwards the light my friend! :D
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/Iphone686.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/Iphone690.jpg

pomme de terre
2009.01.04, 11:35 PM
I havent really been keeping up with this thread, but I joined the HM 4#3 club today. I got it as a gift and its the 2.4ghz version with some alloy parts on it. But before I get flying I have to open up the TX and convert it from Mode I to Mode II (I learned to fly my Esky LamaV4 in ModeII).

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3227/img1402ce8.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4264/img1407md3.jpg

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1169/img1410kl4.jpg

eztuner12
2009.01.05, 12:03 AM
Hi pomme de terre
Nice “Hummingbird” you got there, nice indeed.
Enjoy it man.
BTW Why do you call your self Potato, do you like them so much? ;)
Cheers

eztuner12
2009.01.05, 12:14 AM
Hi marc.
Thxx for the info regarding fly barless Heli-Command.:)
Nice heli there man. Only weights on the fly-bars, no stabilizer blades. Cool:cool:
Cheers

marc
2009.01.05, 06:48 PM
My freshly painted and installed tail fin. Much more to scale than the dinky stock unit.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08532.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08533.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08534.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08535.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08536.jpg
Don't know why it didn't look like this to start with!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08537.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08538.jpg
My Dad and I were just about to take off to get some pictures of it in hover, but something went dead and we couldn't get it to start. Even after freshly recharging the battery and the transmitter!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/DSC08539.jpg
Maybe get some hovering pic's when Dad get's back from his trip.

This will eventually become flybar-less and will have the retractable version of this same fuselage, a more acurate Airwolf color which is actually a dark metallic brown color used in the 80's, plus some more home-made detail's and navigation lights.

The Heli-Command in this makes it solid like a rock! It won't go anywhere till you tell it to, or with the wind. LOL! Best on a calm day!

marc
2009.01.06, 02:30 PM
The real Airwolf in flight! Notice it's got a brownish color?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/Airwolf.jpg

eztuner12
2009.01.06, 02:41 PM
The real Airwolf in flight! Notice it's got a brownish color?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/Airwolf.jpg

Hi marc
Yep, nice image too. I noticed that the real heli has the rudd blades on the left side of the tail. Not on the right as the T-rex 450.
Cheers

marc
2009.01.06, 07:44 PM
Yes that is a common problem with alot of the RC helicopters. They say it's because of copy-right rules that if they change one detail such as the tail fin, it's not copy-written. In Germany, they do things differently and you'll see alot of fine very large scale RC helicopters of Airwolf done correctly.
There are way's to modify it to be more acuratley to scale. One future plan with this Airwolf is if/when i get the retractable version of the fuselage, is to modify it such that the tail-rotor will be on the left side. Since it's belt-driven from the main rotor, there is alot of work to be done for that type of mod. Plus I'd have to make a new tail cone peice for the left-sided rotor system. When I have that fuselage, there will be alot more scratch-built detail's in there that this one won't have. Or, this one will be a prototype for it. One such detail in question are the three tubes in the Airwolf's nose. One tube is a mid-flight refueling pod, and the other two I beleive are air-speed indicators.
Alot of flying will be done before such a fuselage with exquisit detail be made.

Slipstream
2009.01.08, 12:27 AM
Marc where are you getting Walkera Helis in the US?

eztuner12
2009.01.08, 02:46 AM
Marc where are you getting Walkera Helis in the US?

Hi Slipstream.
Sorry for cutting in, just read your note and wanted to help;)
Go helidirect.com, helihobby.com, xheli.com or Bananhobby.com
Helidirect is my favorite, Good prices, service and fast shipping. If some thing ir wrong they take returns and replace it fasst...:eek:
Hope this helps:cool:
I know marc will know of other shops too:D
Cheers

Hammer
2009.01.08, 06:22 AM
Marc where are you getting Walkera Helis in the US?Here are a couple of places in the US I've had very good experience with: ;)

RC Helicopter (http://www.rchobbyhelicopter.com/)

Rotor Fever (http://rotorfever.com/)

marc
2009.01.08, 10:54 AM
Hi there, I do use Heli-Direct as well, very good people. They helped me with all the upgrades for my Trex Airwolf. As for the Walkera, I actually purchased that on ebay from a guy in Texas. But good luck with the 54-Q3 as mine has not been very consistant. In fact, I've removed the fuselage from the crappy mechanics and I plan on installing it on my new Kestrel 500 from Nine Eagles. The Kestrel is a more conventional helicopter as you see from the pictures and so far has worked perfectly every time. Plus, it's a very stable and easy helicopter to fly. I think the Airwolf would be much cooler having a conventional set up rather than being the unscale like co-axial set up. I've taken pictures of removing the fuselage from the mechanics and I'll post those some where soon. When I get around to it, I'll post pic's of installing the fuselage onto the new mechanics.
Walkera products are not very consistant. My Dad and I have had a few good ones, and a few bad ones. So good luck when you purchase one! Perhaps the model this thread is based on is their top of the line model?

eztuner12
2009.01.08, 11:21 AM
Here are a couple of places in the US I've had very good experience with: ;)

RC Helicopter (http://www.rchobbyhelicopter.com/)

Rotor Fever (http://rotorfever.com/)

Hey Hammer, nice to hear from you, I guess you been very ;)
Cheers

cdog4w
2009.01.08, 01:58 PM
http://wowhobbies.com/ carries walkera as well, based in CA.

eztuner12
2009.01.08, 04:54 PM
http://wowhobbies.com/ carries walkera as well, based in CA.

Yep, certainly the carry all Walkeras models indeed, Good source!!!:)
Thx
Cheers