ATOMIC RC World Race 2009

[HKSHOBBY]

UPDATED: 1/21/09

Atomic RC and HKS Hobby present Atomic USA Mini-z World Cup 2009. See tentative rules below. Locations will be announced shortly.

Rules/classes....etc are subject to periodic revisions.


Class

a. *2 Wheel Drive Stock (Atomic World Cup Series) /

b. *4 Wheel Drive Stock (Atomic World Cup Series) /

c. 2 Wheel Drive Open Stock /

d. 2WD or 4WD Modified Open Class /

e. Formula One Stock (Open) /

* A main winner in 2WD & 4WD Stock Class ( Atomic World Cup Series) will qualify for the grand prize drawing of round trip air ticket plus hotel (3 lucky winners) for ‘2009 Atomic World Cup Final’ in Macau.

Rules & Regulations

a. 2WD Stock
Battery : AAA NIMH only
Body : Kyosho only
Motor : Stock (hand out # MO-USA)
Minimum Weight : 180g
Min/Mix Wheel Base : 86-98mm
Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)
Remarks : Atomic hop-ups or Kyosho parts/hop-ups only

b. AWD Stock
Battery : AAA NIMH only
Body : Kyosho only
Motor : Stock (hand out # MO-USA)
Minimum Weight : 190g
Min/Mix Wheel Base : 90-98mm
Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)
Remarks : Atomic hop-ups or Kyosho parts/hop-ups only

c. 2WD Open Stock
Battery : AAA NIMH only
Body : Kyosho only
Motor : Stock (hand out # MO-USA)
Minimum Weight : 180g
Min/Mix Wheel Base : 86-98mm
Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)
Remarks : Any hop-ups

d.2WD/AWD Modified Open (Subject to final revision)
Battery : AAA NIMH only
Body : Atomic (AR-125, AR-210, AWD204) & Kyosho Autoscale
Motor : Any Atomic motor
Minimum Weight : Open
Min/Mix Wheel Base : 86 -98mm
Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)
Remarks : Any hop-ups

c. Formula One
Battery : AAA NIMH only
Body : Kyosho F1 autoscale
Motor : Stock (hand out # MO-USA)
Minimum Weight : TBD
Min/Mix Wheel Base : stock WB
Tires : Kyosho Mini-Z F1 or Atomic F1 Wheels/Tires only.
Remarks : Any hop-ups


Remarks:

- Each class has 3 qualify runs of 6 minutes and a final run of 14 minutes. (Subject to revision)

- All classes (except 2WD/AWD Modified Open) will run on ‘ATOMIC’ controlled hand out motor only. Further modification is NOT ALLOWED. Additional motor may be available from race director at racer’s expenses.

- 2WD/AWD Modified Open Class accepts any motor from any manufacturer. No hand out motor will be provided.

- Formula-one Class will run on ‘Kyosho Auto Scale’ formula-one body only.

- ESC & Receiver limited to Atomic or Kyosho PCB Board with the exception of ‘2WD/AWD Modified Class

-No traction compound or wet tires on track

[EMU]

Thank you for the information.

Is the chassis restricted to Kyosho chassis, or can we use any chassis that is the same scale? (MRCG, P28, Pro-Z, Iwaver, home made) I see that the electronics are limited to Kyosho for the stock classes, but are the chassis limited as well? Can you use the Kyosho electronics on a different chassis?

I just want to get this cleared up before I try to decide what classes I would run.

Thank you,
Eugene

[lugnutz]

where are the events going to be held,need to go racing

[jackg]

yes when & where. eugene-are you planning on running an Iwaiver chassis???????:eek::eek:;) -j

[jackg]

hey Frank whats up man?:D -j

[HKSHOBBY]

All questions will be answered after I confirm with Atomic HQ in Hong Kong.

[EMU]

Thank you, I look forward to the Atomic Race series. I have been using the Race USA Motor for a little while, and like it better than last years motor.

[minittrackmann]

Sounds like a cool race.

I will deff. be attending!!

Cody

[bermbuster]

GF Racing will be there....:cool:

[k_bojar]

might try my best to make this as well - depending on location and time ;)

[ProfoxCG]

I am very excited about this!

i need to learn so much to be ready for this, and if it is realtively close. maybe ill make a vacation with my wife for the weekend.

BTW, what class from previous experience do you guys feels is the "Most fun"
Would it be stock? since evenone has the same chassis and motors?

[Tjay]

interesting...

[hrdrvr]

I would love to be able to attend, but Ill have to wait and see when and where it is :D

I have a question though, why is it that with these manufacturers (PN does it too) a stock Kyosho car has to have weight added to it for stock class? My 2wd stock car weighs in at around 172g without any weight eliminated, and my AWD stock car weighs in around 181g, also without any weight dropping modifications. In fact Ive added weight to both if them in the form of alloy and bearings, and I still have to add almost 10g to be legal. Id just like to know what the thought process is behind this, so I can better understand the ruling.

[ProfoxCG]

ive never weighted my car.. but that it inteteresting.
I have a question on the ground of a handout motor, would a HO-motor run faster, slower or the same in an MR02 compared to an AWD keep in mind that the AWD has more things to rotate right? - my experience tells me it would be slower in the AWD.

I ask this wondering is it would the same spec motor handed for both stock classes

[EMU]

These rules are to make it a level playing field. I personally think min weigh in should be 175g for MR02, but I dont make the rules. On the larger, heavier bodies, they are very close to 180 (if not above it), with a stock chassis. The unpainted bodies seem to be considerably lighter. I would say that the average weight of a chassis is around 95g, then the body is about 35g, and batteries about 48g... So average is slightly under 180g.

I guess that the organizers of the races feel that everyone should have the same weight starting point. Whether they want to choose alloy parts to increase their weight, or if they want to choose other things that they can ballast their weight with. I dont mind adding weight, as you can really fine tune the car to the tire setup that you have... But it does take away the advantages of a lighter chassis. At the same time, a very light car will get bonced around much more easily in a collision.

If you dont like the weight rule, run on the open mod class, where there is no minimum weight ;)

[yasuji]

did i read this right....2wd mod sedan or pancar body.......:Dsweet.....:cool:

[Tjay]

bad experience at the Worlds... during practice, first 2 mins of my awd mod being on the track I got scooped by a pan car. Stripped the servo gear and I had to replace it...

I'll have to pass this class (d). Let's see what we have next.

[EMU]

That is one thing that concerns me as well, running with pan cars, they tend to scoop up a car in front of them instead of a much less harmfull bump...

[hrdrvr]

If you dont like the weight rule, run on the open mod class, where there is no minimum weight ;)

Its not that I dont like the weight rule. Rules are rules, and Ill conform to any rules that are applied at the events I attend. Every one has to abide by the same ones, so its generally always fair.

I just wanted a better understanding of why it is this way. If the hosts choose these weight rulings so that some one can run a fully alloyed car without any type of weight penalty that is fine with me. If there is some other reasoning behind it, Im just curious to know what it is.

Personally I dont think its right to make a fully alloyed car the norm, and the plasti dominated one the rule breaker. That doesnt seem right, but Im not making a living off of my opinion. ATM and PN both need to sell hop-ups to feed their families, so if thats their reasoning for pushing the weight limit up, then so be it. They are the hosts, and they make the rules. Again, I just dont agree with that logic, buf if there is something that makes better racing, then I want to know what, so I can implement it at my local track.

The only other clubs Ive raced at either didnt have a weight ruling, or they had 170g and 180g for 2wd and AWD respecitvely. Thats what I adopted as it made perfect sense to me. If Im missing something I want to know what.

[EMU]

I agree with you. We have no weight limit on our classes, mainly because if you want to lighten the car, there will be drawbacks. Especially because our track is bumpy... so the heavier car is much smoother. I like lighter cars personally, so I have to find something in the middle.

In general, the weight limit just makes for better racing. As they dont want to penalize someone for their choice in body...

[lugnutz]

did i read this right....2wd mod sedan or pancar body.......:Dsweet.....:cool:

YEAH ITS ABOUT TIME,A REAL MOD CLASS WOOHOO :D:cool::eek:

[Scrapper]

whats difference between 2wd stock and 2wd stock open

[EMU]

2wd stock, you must use either Atomic or Kyosho parts, no other manufacturers. 2wd open, you can use any manufacturers parts...

[minittrackmann]

Any more info on were and when this race is going down?

Cody

[k_bojar]

YEAH ITS ABOUT TIME,A REAL MOD CLASS WOOHOO :D:cool::eek:

that mean you'll make another return??

[k_bojar]

Any more info on were and when this race is going down?

Cody

If I heard right last nite - there might be 2 in this general area

[atallfunguy]

If I was a betting man I would bet that the

c. 2WD Open Stock
d.2WD or 4WD Modified Open

Classes would be popular for the average drivers.

For the top drivers the other 2 will be popular because only the stock classes have a chance to win the trip.

I don't think most people want to remove all there pn and 3racing parts just to replace them with atomic parts for 1 race.
just the extension kit alone is $30. I would have to pull off Rims, toe bar, springs, knuckes, PN Spur, front upper and rear top cover (used to make weight), heat sink, bearings, and the extension kit
this is only on my AWD.. my 2wd is the same story..

Thanks but no thanks,

Just came back from the PN Worlds race and I am glad I they didn't make me pull off my atomic parts, I guess the discrimination is a one way street.
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c. 2WD Open Stock
Battery : AAA only
Body : Kyosho only
Motor : Stock (hand out # MO-USA)
Minimum Weight : 180g
Min/Mix Wheel Base : 90-98mm
Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)
Remarks : Upgrade part open to any brand

d.2WD or 4WD Modified Open
Battery : AAA only
Body : Atomic (AR-125, AR-210, AWD204) & Kyosho
Motor : Any Atomic motor
Minimum Weight : Open
Min/Mix Wheel Base : 90-98mm
Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)
Remarks : Upgrade part open to any brand

[atallfunguy]

ive never weighted my car.. but that it inteteresting.
I have a question on the ground of a handout motor, would a HO-motor run faster, slower or the same in an MR02 compared to an AWD keep in mind that the AWD has more things to rotate right? - my experience tells me it would be slower in the AWD.

I ask this wondering is it would the same spec motor handed for both stock classes

With the same motor the 2wd will run much faster on a high grip track.

With Less grip or a faster handout motor the AWD will narrow the gap.

[bermbuster]

Just came back from the PN Worlds race and I am glad I they didn't make me pull off my atomic parts, I guess the discrimination is a one way street.


What you have to understand about Atomic is some of the racers cannot buy PN parts. (not marketed in some countries) The racers in those countries would be at a disadvantage. As you stated the free trip has its price...
all Atomic parts but it sets the field for fairness for all racers...

What I read and from my friends who raced in the finals Atomic treats you like a king when you go over. My thought would be if your a really good racer spend some extra money get the Atomic parts and go for it....

[Scrapper]

i could run a box stock 02 without damper but atomic motor

[bermbuster]

i could run a box stock 02 without damper but atomic motor

as long as all the parts on the car came either from Kyosho or Atomic. No PN,Reflex or 3 racing etc....
Sam when the NYC race happens if you do not have such a car you can still race. You will be in a different class not box stock....

[yasuji]

d.2WD or 4WD Modified Open
Battery : AAA only
Body : Atomic (AR-125, AR-210, AWD204) & Kyosho:confused:
Motor : Any Atomic motor:confused:
Minimum Weight : Open
Min/Mix Wheel Base : 90-98mm
Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)
Remarks : Upgrade part open to any brand

- 2WD or 4WD Modified Open Class will open for any brush motor from any manufacturer. No hand out motor will be provided.:confused:

- 2WD or 4WD Modified Open Class may run on both touring car or pan car body from any manufacturer. Home made or prototype car body is welcome but subject to final approval by on-site race director. Race director has the right to reject any disturbing design or any car body that may cause possible interference to other driver or the race.
:confused:
contradicting rules.....please clarify:D:confused:

[k_bojar]

as long as all the parts on the car came either from Kyosho or Atomic. No PN,Reflex or 3 racing etc....
Sam when the NYC race happens if you do not have such a car you can still race. You will be in a different class not box stock....

i could run a box stock 02 without damper but atomic motor

Sam - just remember, box stock doesn't mean "newbie"

Instead of completely swaping over/recreating one of your cars - just run in a different class like Berm mentioned...

If I can make either of these races, I'm not tearing apart my car - I'll run the open class because I know the car in that setup WORKS :)

Remember - "big race" don't over complicate things :) Keep It Simple Stupid :) And too boot, I think I'd just run 1 class (personally) ok, after looking at the rules - I'd might throw in the F1 class :)

[HKSHOBBY]

Rules/Regulations updated 1/21/09

[minittrackmann]

Looks like I am building an all atomic car.

Probably going to run 2wd open stock, and 2wd stock. Cant wait. !!!

Cody

[k_bojar]

Looks like I am building an all atomic car.

Probably going to run 2wd open stock, and 2wd stock. Cant wait. !!!

Cody

i'm torn - was thinking about doing that...but might just go F1 instead plus open

[k_bojar]

ok - I need a clarification, please :)

When you say "Tires : Mini-Z type Touring Rubber (any brand)" - does that mean I can run PN tires on my car? or do you mean ANY atomic tires??

Also, what about those people running the 64p conversions in their diffs? I realize this is a PN part, but is that allow as long as its on a Kyosho or atomic diff setup??

:) thanks

[EMU]

Tires, sounds like any brand, PN, Kyosho, ATM... as long as its rubber.

I am planning on not being able to use the PN 64p. I think that it has to be Kyosho/ATM. With a Kyosho or ATM diff.

[k_bojar]

I am planning on not being able to use the PN 64p. I think that it has to be Kyosho/ATM. With a Kyosho or ATM diff.

that's what I'm afraid of...kind of don't want to buy a whole new diff for just this series - but my nascar could use a new rear diff, hmmmmmm;)

[minittrackmann]

Has there been any more info about when and were the race is going to be held?
Cody

[EMU]

that's what I'm afraid of...kind of don't want to buy a whole new diff for just this series - but my nascar could use a new rear diff, hmmmmmm;)

I mainly use the Atomic diffs, and just put the PN 64p spurs in them anyway. If your Nascar needs a new diff, I would definitely get the ATM vII, and just keep the ATM spur for ATM event use...

I have a habit of building new cars for big events... so, whatever I need to use for the class that I am racing, I get. For the KO race, the only car that isnt a new car is the F1...

[k_bojar]

I have a habit of building new cars for big events... so, whatever I need to use for the class that I am racing, I get. For the KO race, the only car that isnt a new car is the F1...

See, I'm trying to avoid that :rolleyes: Or else I'd do the same thing...this one might end up completely Atomic/Kyosho minus the ASF board - which will probably share time in my Pan car :)

[EMU]

I dont have plans to build any new cars for a little while. I think I have what I need at least until June or so...

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Atomic New York regional will be held at NYRC on June 6th & 7th, 2009.

NYRC WEBSITE (http://www.nyrcsuperraceway.com/events.html)

[Tjay]

Nice track! Congrats guys!

[Scrapper]

what about registration

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Registration is not yet opened.

[Scrapper]

is this willy

[MikeL]

Less than a month away, funny I found the link through google here ;)

For open 2wd/4wd are only kyosho chassis allowed?

The flyer shows a $15 entry fee, are you included a handout motor for that price?

It's getting close enough that all the details should be available, I know some people get discouraged from planning to attend if they cannot prepare ahead of time.

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Yes, the $15 fee includes motor.

Registration is now open for the June 09 Atomic Regional


The registration form is on our website and you may also sign up at the track. Out-of-state racers please email us and we can either take your payment on race day or by check.

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Day one:-


9:00am to 12:00pm – Open practice and registration.



12:00pm to 12:45pm - Lunch



12:45pm to 1:00 pm – Driver meeting



1:00pm to 6:00pm – 1st and 2nd Qualifiers


Day two:-

9:00am to 10:00pm – Open practice


10:00am to 12:00pm – 3rd qualifier


12:00pm to 12:50pm – Lunch


12:50pm to 1:30pm – Atomic product presentation and prize drawing


1:30pm to 5:00pm – Mains



5:00pm to 6:00pm – Award presentation



Remarks:



- Two minutes between each race.

[bermbuster]

its 2 weeks away.....
got my cars reaady....:D

Is Alan coming from CA for the race???

[k_bojar]

its 2 weeks away.....
got my cars reaady....:D

Is Alan coming from CA for the race???

good luck George

If the 'Dorks' guys still do a PA race, I'll see you there :)

[Davey G]

Who is going to this one? Myself and the Slayer will be in attendance.

ROLL CALL!!!

[joey]

Me and a few guys from MHS are going.

[Scrapper]

stugottz will be going

98mm vette baby

[EMU]

Ill, be there. . . Although, my cars ran poor in practice tonight. Guess the wet weather changed conditions a lot.

Tomorrow looks good, Sunday a little rain... so that may change conditions slightly. But it should be warmer than it was tonight.

[eztuner12]

Ill, be there. . . Although, my cars ran poor in practice tonight. Guess the wet weather changed conditions a lot.

Tomorrow looks good, Sunday a little rain... so that may change conditions slightly. But it should be warmer than it was tonight.

Hi there Eugene
Best of lucks men!!:)
Are you racing 4wd too?
Cheers

[EMU]

Thanks. No 4wd. 2wd stock Atomic, 2wd stock open, 2wd mod, and F1.

AWD would be too much of a different driving and setup style to race that many classes... If I ran 2 classes, I could run an AWD. I barely have time for anything. I had to do a chassis swap since the t-plate screw holes were stripped out :eek: I didnt have as much practice time before the qualifiers... but I did alright. I made a couple changes at the track before I left. Now to build up my backup F1's... There were only 3 F1s on the track, so I want to build some loaners for other people that dont have F1s to get in on the action.

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Here is a picture of the layout and pit area. Many thanks to I-lap for professional lap counting and Alex Valdes doing the announcing.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/736/NY_Regional_09.jpg

[EMU]

Driving in the daytime is SOOO much different than driving at night :P

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Try using the LED headlights/taillights on sale at the track!

[eztuner12]

Here is a picture of the layout and pit area. Many thanks to I-lap for professional lap counting and Alex Valdes doing the announcing.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/736/NY_Regional_09.jpg

Hi NYRC-WA
Nice track layout man. Perfect size too.
Cheers

[bermbuster]

here are the drivers
the first lap (blur is Dave G.....)
the last pic is the turn that decided the outcome.....

1st Mike Haynes
2nd Dave G.
3rd Phil D. (i dont know how he did it....he lost a tire and he never gave up....AWESOME job Phil)

[minittrackmann]

Did anyone take videos. Please post them if you can.

Thanks
cody

[EMU]

I think there were a couple videos taken, I dont know how long it will take for them to be posted.

It was a fun race, very challenging. I felt like I couldnt get everything together in time. Next big race, I need to bring a replacement marshall for me. Otherwise, I end up spending so much time marshalling, that I dont have any time to work on my cars, which is what happened at this race.

[bermbuster]

I think there were a couple videos taken, I dont know how long it will take for them to be posted.

It was a fun race, very challenging. I felt like I couldnt get everything together in time. Next big race, I need to bring a replacement marshall for me. Otherwise, I end up spending so much time marshalling, that I dont have any time to work on my cars, which is what happened at this race.

Eugene next time just ask....I would have helped you out. Me and the rest of Majs crew always help each other....

[EMU]

Thanks, I will consider it next time. Going into the mains, it was Race, Marshall, Race, Marshall, break, Race, Marshall, break x3, Race. The last race was my lowest finishing position, but the car felt better than the rest :eek:

Running so many classes, its hard to adjust from one car to the next. Especially with as little track time as I got with each car. I had to change a chassis out yesterday, and switch my F1 after the steering locked up today. Im glad I built up a backup F1 last night... originally it was to have another racer join in to make it more fun. Turns out I really needed it.

[MikeL]

I'm too tired for a nice writeup, just wanted to say I had a lot of fun and the racing was great, thanks to all involved.

[joey]

alot of fun and close racing all weekend..

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Thanks to the 40+ plus racers and I-lap professional lap counting team who attended. More details report to follow.

[SaiTam]

A-Main Open Stock class video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NetzKan_Z1U&feature=channel_page

A-Main ATM Stock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_vzymBm2g

[EMU]

Thank you for hosting such a nice event.

[SabRC]

A-Main Open Stock class video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NetzKan_Z1U&feature=channel_page

A-Main ATM Stock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_vzymBm2g

Great videos. Great competition.

Do you think in youtube you can change the names to the videos so it states what the classes are. This will help people searching youtube for them.

[eztuner12]

Hi SaiTam,

Nice event, video & track layout as well.

Just love those stretch bottleneck section, where only one car can go thru:):):D.

Thanks for sharing this video:cool:.

Cheers

[SaiTam]

Video caption edited. Some videos exceeded 10 mins I don't know how to shorten them for Youtube format. How do I do it?

This was supposedly the race layout with even more interesting turns:
http://www.nyrcsuperraceway.com/pics/track/june1.jpg

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Results are up:

[philly123]

[QUOTE
1st Mike Haynes
2nd Dave G.
3rd Phil D. (i dont know how he did it....he lost a tire and he never gave up....AWESOME job Phil)[/QUOTE]


I dont know how i did it Berm, Im starting to work with 015's and if i could get my car to stop traction rolling when i push hard it would be perfect.

[NYRC-WebAdmin]

Atomic NY 2009 Regional Album (http://www.nelsonlee.net/pictures/atomic/)

[Tjay]

All classes (except 2WD/AWD Modified Open) will run on ‘ATOMIC’ controlled hand out motor only. Further modification is NOT ALLOWED. Additional motor may be available from race director at racer’s expenses.

so replacing stock brush with silver is allowed? I didn't race but I'm curious to know.

[MikeL]

so replacing stock brush with silver is allowed? I didn't race but I'm curious to know.

We were told not to remove the brushes at all.

[nikdevid]

Hello,
I am Nik,thanks for updating regarding the USA Mini-z World Cup 2009 and glad to join the events.Just give the Registration date that i can participate in the race.