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dabinn
2009.04.14, 05:15 AM
The I.C.S. cable sold by Kyosho, part no 82080, is 6825 yen in list price...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/3074252526_c9ac485912_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3074252526/sizes/o/in/set-72157610612179254/)
▲The original ICS calbe is too expensive. But you have to get one if you want to setup your ASF/Ad band/dNaNo PCBs.

Though this generation of ICS cable is changed, it uses USB interface.But in fact it is the same with the older RS232 version -- It only added RS232 to USB circuit. So If you want to make this cable by your self, just make a RS232 version like the older one. And if you have no RS232 on your computer, just buy a RS232 to USB adaptor , connect to the RS232 ICS cable, and it will work like the original USB ICS cable.


At first, Let's see the ciruit inside the ICS calbe.
(This circuit is provided by "CORN", but too bad he didn't come this forum.)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/3164141784_d56a57feaf_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3164141784/sizes/o/in/set-72157612030620097/)

There are only two transistors, few resistances and diodes inside. These may take no more than 1 dollar. And this circuit is not very special,too. It only convert the voltage of RS232 signal to the voltage of MINI-Z.


The materials.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/3162478292_7af7f83e2d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162478292/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
.1/4w resistances: 1KΩ*1+10KΩ*2+39KΩ*2
.diodes: 1N4148*1
.transistors: 2N3904*2, or 2SC1815*2.
I have no 2N3904 in hand, so I replaced it with 2SC1815. Both of these transistors are OK.


We need a RS232 9pin female connector for computer.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/3162478772_3b6ef0455c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162478772/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
.RS232 female connector
.RS232 case

Take a cable which has at least 3 lines. I use a PC CD-ROM calbe.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/3162479372_28e0a3dd35.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162479372/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)


I didn't have the connectors for MINI-Z/dNaNo while I took this photos, so we got no photos here. :( These are standard male connectors(JST ZH series) with 1.5mm pitch. Ad band uses a 3pin connector, and ASF/dNaNo uses a 4pin one.You may find them on a "electronic store"(??don't know how to said that), or buy on the net.



We'll try not using a PCB, just wire the components and place it into RS232 case directly. Let's see the 2 most complex components: the transistors.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/3161646129_3383f0f721.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3161646129/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲This seems OK, not too big.。

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3161648995_07354f017d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3161648995/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲It would be better to make some drawing before we really start to wire.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3161646677_397eefa87e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3161646677/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲The simplest way to judge the pin assignment of transistors: use a an electric meter. (Or you can search from internet.)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/3161647103_110c5a090a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3161647103/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲Wire the componets and prepare to solder.

dabinn
2009.04.14, 05:16 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3087/3162481838_a5c12c61b1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162481838/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲The circuit is completed.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/3162482340_c83b8e197e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162482340/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲Solder the RS232 pins after confirming the circuit fits the RS232 case.


The MINI-Z side.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/3162484474_0c72fb31c0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162484474/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲Since I have no female connectors for MINI-Z while I take these photo. I can only insert the pins into MINI-Z male connector directly. (Be careful! This is very danger for your MINI-Z)


The pin assignment on the MINI-Z:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/3164009854_31791a0a3d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3164009854/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲AD Band
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/250/3163174295_a4a947aedf.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3163174295/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲ASF


Connect to the computer an make a test:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/3162482816_dae039c029.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162482816/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲Connect to MINI-Z with no connector....

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/234/3162477576_0be1ac153a_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162477576/sizes/o/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲Read the settings from mini-z successfully.

Test completed, some more works to do.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/3162483640_04efe10f14.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162483640/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲Use hot glue to fix everything.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/3162484048_7ae6753495.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3162484048/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/)
▲Tie a knot on the cable and close the case.

Now we have our own ICS cables.



--
I'll take photos for the MINI-Z connectors latter.

color01
2009.04.14, 05:23 AM
Holy cow, this is some REALLY good stuff. Can't wait till you have the right plug for the Mini-Z interface!

LED
2009.04.14, 06:35 AM
Nice tutorial.
Bit late since I bought the cable this weekend.

I dont think I would trust myself hooking something homemade like that onto my mini-z either :p

But great support to the comunity and hopefully kyosho will drop their prices for the cables dramaticly now.

Skv012a
2009.04.14, 08:24 AM
So If I get a serial > USB cable, would I still have to take care of the voltage or will the USB connector take care of that? Then I could just connect the cables in the right spots and be done, no?

dabinn
2009.04.14, 08:33 AM
[UPDATE]

▼The connectors
1.5mm pitch. 3pin is for Ad Band, ASF/dNaNo use a 4pin connector.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3327/3441592842_5e5538dbbe.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3441592842/sizes/l/)

▼The other side.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/3441594954_65f62edf93.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3441594954/sizes/l/)

▼We would better buy wires which have already crimped with terminals. Because it's not easy to crimp small terminals like these, and a specail tool is needed, too.
These terminals are especially for the 1.5mm connector.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3324/3441597082_f2818a38b5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3441597082/sizes/l/)


▼Done.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3440786927_f856e46ee1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3440786927/sizes/l/)

dabinn
2009.04.14, 08:42 AM
So If I get a serial > USB cable, would I still have to take care of the voltage or will the USB connector take care of that? Then I could just connect the cables in the right spots and be done, no?

The original one:
MINI-Z<----ICS cable---->[RS232](Your PC)

If you want to use USB:
MINI-Z<----ICS cable----(RS232)-- Serial to USB cable -->[USB](Your PC)

So no need to worried about the voltage between MINI-Z & USB, because we have already converted it into RS232 level.

Skv012a
2009.04.14, 09:56 AM
What I was asking is whether you can attach ICS cables to the serial-usb adapter straight and avoid making the ICS-serial cable.

dabinn
2009.04.14, 10:37 AM
What I was asking is whether you can attach ICS cables to the serial-usb adapter straight and avoid making the ICS-serial cable.


No, the voltage level is different.

But you can try to find another device/converting cable called "USB to TTL converter". It convert USB to UART/TTL level (about 5V), and can fit the signal voltage of MINI-Z ASF(but not AD band & dNaNo). It is not very easy to buy, but you can find them on some website like this:
http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-232R.htm


You may need to link the VCC & SIGNAL pin with a 4.7k resistance for this cable, or MINI-Z will think you don't connect anything on it. But the problem is...I can't make sure it will work or wont, for I have never got this device before.

LED
2009.04.14, 10:57 AM
Could you post a link or a serial number for the connectors where we can buy them ?
Or like you say a cable with the connector allready on it.

Thank you

dabinn
2009.04.14, 12:15 PM
Could you post a link or a serial number for the connectors where we can buy them ?
Or like you say a cable with the connector allready on it.

Thank you

Here are the connectors:
3pin:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=455-1160-ND

4pin:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=455-1202-ND

And ASF use this on it's PCB:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=455-1659-ND


It's difficult for me to search components on a English site. :( I spend hours on it and can't find the wire with terminal pin, sorry.

Skv012a
2009.04.14, 12:36 PM
Sounds like I'll be hitting up my friend who still works @ Micro Center for some of this junk :D

Only thing I doubt is them having a serial female that you could disassemle/casing for it. Might dig around the house for straight up cables first.

QDriver
2009.04.14, 12:57 PM
cool..about time someone post this kind of mod..
i wander if this cable (ASF/AD) also work on RV project(Atomic) electronic board, coz i got one.. it have a 3pin male connector on the pcb, should it be the same with the AD-band cable??? can i program it with the kyosho software>?

ianc
2009.04.14, 01:41 PM
Fabulous post! Thanks a lot for the info!

ianc

dabinn
2009.04.15, 02:44 AM
cool..about time someone post this kind of mod..
i wander if this cable (ASF/AD) also work on RV project(Atomic) electronic board, coz i got one.. it have a 3pin male connector on the pcb, should it be the same with the AD-band cable??? can i program it with the kyosho software>?

Sorry, I am not familiar with this board. :(

z3zinho
2009.04.15, 01:29 PM
No, the voltage level is different.

But you can try to find another device/converting cable called "USB to TTL converter". It convert USB to UART/TTL level (about 5V), and can fit the signal voltage of MINI-Z ASF(but not AD band & dNaNo). It is not very easy to buy, but you can find them on some website like this:
http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-232R.htm


You may need to link the VCC & SIGNAL pin with a 4.7k resistance for this cable, or MINI-Z will think you don't connect anything on it. But the problem is...I can't make sure it will work or wont, for I have never got this device before.

This was what I was thinking about doing, but shorting the Rx and Tx pin's with a 4.7k - 10k resistor...

The cable I was looking into buying was this one:
http://export.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/cable-usb-to-ttl-level-seri-converter/dp/1329311?_requestid=430655

It should work, but i can't give you any guarantees...:rolleyes:

ub0211042
2009.04.15, 02:00 PM
dabinn, do u know it this thing might work?
http://my.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/1686451-40.jpg
http://my.farnell.com/ftdi/usb-rs232-pcba/module-usb-a-to-rs232-pcb-convertor/dp/1686451
and here's the data sheet
http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/DataSheets/Modules/DS_USB-RS232_PCB_V101.pdf

the thing seems to drop the voltage down too but at what voltage does the ASF board works when connected to the computer?

herman
2009.04.15, 11:21 PM
pretty cool project... :D

dabinn
2009.04.16, 01:38 AM
This was what I was thinking about doing, but shorting the Rx and Tx pin's with a 4.7k - 10k resistor...

The cable I was looking into buying was this one:
http://export.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/cable-usb-to-ttl-level-seri-converter/dp/1329311?_requestid=430655

It should work, but i can't give you any guarantees...:rolleyes:

We're thinking about the same thing.:D
I think it should work,too. But somebody needs to try out.

dabinn
2009.04.16, 01:44 AM
dabinn, do u know it this thing might work?
http://my.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/1686451-40.jpg
http://my.farnell.com/ftdi/usb-rs232-pcba/module-usb-a-to-rs232-pcb-convertor/dp/1686451
and here's the data sheet
http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/DataSheets/Modules/DS_USB-RS232_PCB_V101.pdf

the thing seems to drop the voltage down too but at what voltage does the ASF board works when connected to the computer?

Hi,
If you use this "USB RS232 to converter", you still need a I.C.S.cable for converting MINI-Z singal into RS232 voltage level at first.

ub0211042
2009.04.17, 03:49 AM
Hi dabinn,

Just to confirm few things before my parts arrive and start on this lovely project:
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs031.snc1/3215_71417997549_791727549_1688605_3618212_n.jpg

VCC - Red wire is from 1k Resistor
SIG - White wire is from 39k resistor
GND - Black wire is from E leg of both transistor and diode

and just wondering why kyosho's only have 2 wires SIG and GND?
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53940/53940_b.jpg
Thanks.

z3zinho
2009.04.17, 10:17 AM
Looking to the converter shcematic and the foto, Vcc, Gnd and Signal seem to be right.

As for the 2 vs 3 wires, with only two wires like Kyosho has, you need to have batteries in the car to use the ICS, with the 3 cable setup, the computer alone can suply the power to the board;)

dabinn
2009.04.17, 12:50 PM
Hi dabinn,

Just to confirm few things before my parts arrive and start on this lovely project:
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs031.snc1/3215_71417997549_791727549_1688605_3618212_n.jpg

VCC - Red wire is from 1k Resistor
SIG - White wire is from 39k resistor
GND - Black wire is from E leg of both transistor and diode

and just wondering why kyosho's only have 2 wires SIG and GND?
http://www.rcmini-z.com/images/htm_kyosho/53940/53940_b.jpg
Thanks.

That would be a cable for the new I.C.S USB adaptor. The USB one outputs fixed singal voltage (maybe 3.3v or 5v) to mini-z, and doesn't concern about what voltage of Mini-Z is, so only two wires are needed.

The old I.C.S. cable uses a diffrent way. It can "generate" various singal voltage according to opposite VCC.
ex. When PC sends a 12v signal through the RS232, this signal triggers the transistor to make the VCC of MINI-Z flow into the SIG line. So mini-z will get a signal that with the same voltage of it's own VCC. Voltage is been converted and meanwhile the signal is been transfered.

dabinn
2009.04.17, 01:03 PM
Looking to the converter shcematic and the foto, Vcc, Gnd and Signal seem to be right.

As for the 2 vs 3 wires, with only two wires like Kyosho has, you need to have batteries in the car to use the ICS, with the 3 cable setup, the computer alone can suply the power to the board;)

You are right. An additional VCC line can supply the power from the PC.
But for some safety reason, we didn't modify the circuit to do that. Batteries in the car are still needed for this cable. ;)

ub0211042
2009.04.17, 04:48 PM
thanks guys for the replies :)

dvsstrike
2009.04.17, 09:46 PM
now how to integrate that in a novak millenium pro. just like adjusting a cyclone

dabinn
2009.04.17, 11:22 PM
now how to integrate that in a novak millenium pro. just like adjusting a cyclone


Do you mean the function like my ICS box?
http://www.minizracer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=339936&postcount=28

dvsstrike
2009.04.18, 03:32 PM
yup.on the old millenium pro it has a place for the cable to plug in to. now if you can do it it would be awsome

ub0211042
2009.04.20, 02:22 PM
i have a problem with the ICS, it seems that the pc doesnt detect the car...
im using the DIY cable with a RS232 to USB converter and only the USB to serial converter were detected on my pc which i checked on the device manager.

few Q's here:

1. how do i know it the cable i built is working
2. do i need to turn on the power?
3. how will the red LED lights up?
4. how to know if its connected to the PC
5. anyway to check of the DIY thing working correctly
6. which is the most important component of this ICS? transistor?

Thanks.

LED
2009.04.20, 04:15 PM
i have a problem with the ICS, it seems that the pc doesnt detect the car...
im using the DIY cable with a RS232 to USB converter and only the USB to serial converter were detected on my pc which i checked on the device manager.

few Q's here:

1. how do i know it the cable i built is working
2. do i need to turn on the power?
3. how will the red LED lights up?
4. how to know if its connected to the PC
5. anyway to check of the DIY thing working correctly
6. which is the most important component of this ICS? transistor?

Thanks.

1) If it worsk its OK :P
2) Put in batteries in the car, Turn on the car while pressing the pairing button. The LED should light up.
3) just ON
4) In the program change a setting, then write to the car, press the reset button (the seting you changed will go back to default) and read from the car. The setting should go back to what you made it.
5) See point 4
6) all of them.

Do you have the manual downloaded ? It discribes how you now wich com port to use. Maybe check that to.

Good luck

ub0211042
2009.04.21, 01:53 AM
Hi LED,

I did put in the batteries and switch it on while pressing the pairing button, the LED lights up but when i connect to PC nothing happen.

I got the the ASF manager and assign Comm port 6 (which i plug into) and click "Read" and i try to change some settings and click "program" then i quit the application then run it again. when i click "Read", it only show the default setting.

i've check with multimeter and theres no loose connection between all wires and connection. check using voltmeter and theres around 3v at the red and black wire.

btw, hv u build this ICS cable before?

LED
2009.04.21, 04:05 PM
I havent build one myself.
I dont know enough about electronics to answer what could be wrong.
Be sure to use the laters software.
Maybe PM dabinn to ask for some things you could test out to find out if a component is broken.

Did you try other comm ports in the program ?

dabinn
2009.04.21, 09:41 PM
Hi LED,

I did put in the batteries and switch it on while pressing the pairing button, the LED lights up but when i connect to PC nothing happen.

I got the the ASF manager and assign Comm port 6 (which i plug into) and click "Read" and i try to change some settings and click "program" then i quit the application then run it again. when i click "Read", it only show the default setting.

i've check with multimeter and theres no loose connection between all wires and connection. check using voltmeter and theres around 3v at the red and black wire.

btw, hv u build this ICS cable before?

Use a PC with a serial port to test at first. Avoid the problem of USB to RS232 converter.
And make sure the pin assignment of the transistors are correct. Most of them are not the same with my drawing.

ub0211042
2009.04.21, 11:27 PM
hi dabinn, how to know the pin assignment of the transistor using digital multimeter? i've search the net but none found :o...it seems that only the diode and the transistor need to put in a correct position (pin assignment)right?

i have no pc with serial port, only USB...how can i resolve using USB? is it as easy as plug n play or i need to configure something else.

Thanks:)

dabinn
2009.04.22, 02:06 AM
hi dabinn, how to know the pin assignment of the transistor using digital multimeter? i've search the net but none found :o...it seems that only the diode and the transistor need to put in a correct position (pin assignment)right?

i have no pc with serial port, only USB...how can i resolve using USB? is it as easy as plug n play or i need to configure something else.

Thanks:)

Yes, the diode and the transistor need to be put in right direction.
You may use a multimeter like mine, it have a transistor test function. It would be more easy to distinguish it's pins.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3161646677_397eefa87e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabinn/3161646677/sizes/l/in/set-72157612030620097/sizes/l/)

Acutualy no configuration is needed with the USB converter. All you have to do is installing the driver for it(if needed). But some of them may are not very compatible with all rs232 devices.

Since you don't have a serial port, You may try to diagnose the ciucuit at first, eseciailly the transistors.:)

ub0211042
2009.04.22, 02:23 AM
thanks so much for ur reply, when i put the transistor into the digital multimeter, the multimeter should "beep" indicating its the right direction? or there will be some readings i need to obeserve.

and do u hv the link to download the ASF manager which is in english version? mine will only come out in weird character.

LED
2009.04.22, 10:02 AM
its on this page
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/support/instructionmanual/mini-z/miniz_racer-awd.html
But be sure to change the language to english on top of the page somewhere before download. Else you get the japanese version (what you have)

ub0211042
2009.04.23, 12:17 PM
im so happy tonight....come in to office at 12 am just to use the old computer which still using serial port, the DIY ICS is working just fine...thanks so much Dabinn and LED!

dabinn
2009.04.24, 12:45 PM
im so happy tonight....come in to office at 12 am just to use the old computer which still using serial port, the DIY ICS is working just fine...thanks so much Dabinn and LED!

Congratulations!:D:D:D:D:D

ub0211042
2009.04.24, 01:11 PM
Congratulations!:D:D:D:D:D

one more, how to use the USB-Serial converter?
mine only works if directly connected to serial port not the usb

LED
2009.04.24, 02:41 PM
Do you need software for the usb-serial connector ?
I guess you need to try every port untill you find the one that works.

ub0211042
2009.04.24, 11:09 PM
Do you need software for the usb-serial connector ?
I guess you need to try every port untill you find the one that works.

it only needs a driver and ive already installed it, tried on all ports but still no luck...dabinn said some USB - Serial converter might not work, is it true?

Skv012a
2009.04.25, 12:46 AM
Won't work for voltage regulation, but how the hell else would you connect it to PC? I think kyosho usb dongle simply regulates the voltage and is otherwise the same as this solution. I hope I'm not wrong, because being stuck w/ using series renders this marvel utterly useless.

Hey can I just wire 4x 10k Ohm resistors in a series to replace a 39k one? Radioshacks don't even carry those, but I have lots of 10k ones.

LED
2009.04.25, 12:20 PM
Yes you can put resistors in serie and add the values to eah other.

Ub02... did you download the manual on the same link I gave earlier ?
Read the bit about how to check wich com port you should use.
If that doesnt help then I suppose its the usb- serial convertor holding you back.

totalazneclipse
2009.04.25, 02:25 PM
Hey can I just wire 4x 10k Ohm resistors in a series to replace a 39k one? Radioshacks don't even carry those, but I have lots of 10k ones.

Yes you can put resistors in serie and add the values to eah other.


Is there going to be a difference between the 39k and using 40k? Im in the same dilemma i don't really feel like using 3 10k's and more misc ones to make 39k.

ub0211042
2009.04.25, 03:44 PM
Ub02... did you download the manual on the same link I gave earlier ?
Read the bit about how to check wich com port you should use.
If that doesnt help then I suppose its the usb- serial convertor holding you back.

yep, i did check which comm port assigned but still no luck...do i need to set the ports setting?

Bits Persecond
Data bits
Parity
stop bits
flow control

stevenh
2009.05.11, 07:03 PM
hm.. i'm having similar problem, built the cable but can't read back values and no idea if anything i've written has taken effect...
Looking at the circuit however, how does it generate the +/-12V signal levels for the RS232 serial port for read back?

MikeL
2009.06.16, 07:20 PM
been working on this with no luck, 1st issue is I could only get 47k resistors, is this too much in place of the 39k?
2nd, I built the circuit wrong once and don't have a meter to test the transistors, could I have blown them easily? I bought the last 2 they had, I'll check another store for more.

Is there a simpler version of this if I don't mind using batteries in the car, I just want to connect to 2.4 via regular serial, no USB interface.

ianc
2009.06.17, 12:27 AM
Look for a maker's mark on your transistors if you don't know what they are. Go to the company's website and look for the data sheet. Be SURE you know which legs are base, collector and emitter. The transistors I used had the base and collector reversed from the physical positions shown in Dabinn's freehand drawing (page 1), so be sure you've got that right. Check the polarity of the diode; a heavy black line on the piece matches the line on the schematic. Check continuity everywhere (and check for shorts). Check resistances. I don't know whether 47K will work in the circuit; I used 39K, but had to combine two resistors in series to do it.

Procedure I follow is this:

1) Make sure you've got a computer with a working COM port and you know what port number it is. Put batteries in the car.

2) Start the program and set the appropriate COM port.

3) Plug the connector into the car's ICS port, push the pairing button and turn the car on while holding it.

The LED will turn bright red. Release the pairing button. If the light turns dim, you've got a comunication or wiring problem. If the light stays bright after releasing the pairing button, you're good to go (you will not need to repair with your TX after this).

Try changing a value and click the 'program' button. Click 'Reset' and the displayed values return to the defaults. Click 'Read'. If the changed value you programmed initially is read back and displayed, things are as they should be.

This is with V1.02 of the ICS Manager program.

I finished putting this together last night using two Fairchild 2N3904's for the transistors and it worked a treat. Kicking up the punch and reducing the dead zone worked great for reducing wander on my AWD. Thanks for the info Dabinn; you rock!

ianc

MikeL
2009.06.17, 08:21 AM
I used the fairchild's pin out for the transistor radioshack sells, but I have no idea if they are actually fairchild or not. I am going to pick up a breadboard so I can lay this out neater, then I can post a pic so maybe someone can see what I have wrong.

MikeL
2009.06.19, 08:54 AM
I've gotten the circuit to at least bind now, but still no communication, I got new transistors because they were backwards, and I put a new diode in in case I blew it. Voltage does not get past the transistors.

ianc
2009.06.19, 10:38 AM
Are you quite certain you've got the Base, Collector and Emitter legs correctlyl positioned in the circuit according to the schematic on page one? Diode polarity correct? Use your VOM to test continuity and resistance in all legs of the circuit. If everything seems to check out, then those 47K resistances you're using may be the culprit...

ianc

addicted
2009.10.19, 06:04 AM
Is anyone willing to sell one that they have made? I don't have any soldering expertise and so i would probably break something!
It would be for a 2,4Ghz AWD, so i can buy the 2.4Ghz cable seperately, just need the main one!

ub0211042
2009.10.19, 06:44 AM
Is anyone willing to sell one that they have made? I don't have any soldering expertise and so i would probably break something!
It would be for a 2,4Ghz AWD, so i can buy the 2.4Ghz cable seperately, just need the main one!

check ur pm:)

Cherub1m
2009.11.24, 12:07 PM
Is there a way to re-program the handheld 2.4ghz ICS system to run the MR03?

ub0211042
2009.12.16, 01:45 AM
hello,

I have few units available if anyone interested to buy em.
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33296

Thanks.

reaper
2009.12.23, 02:37 PM
iv had no problems with the cable on a 232 port so i decided to get a usb adapter and try it on my vista enabled laptop

great news is it works
if you are having problems i can only think your adapter didnt come with a driver disk

i carnt work out how to post the drivers but if any of you want to give them a go PM me your email and i will send em you :)

ub0211042
2009.12.23, 08:08 PM
iv had no problems with the cable on a 232 port so i decided to get a usb adapter and try it on my vista enabled laptop

great news is it works
if you are having problems i can only think your adapter didnt come with a driver disk

i carnt work out how to post the drivers but if any of you want to give them a go PM me your email and i will send em you :)

u can start with me :D

reaper
2009.12.23, 08:31 PM
nota a problem buddy just send me your email :)

KRYTEN is going to try and get a link set-up as he has some account that lets him and i dont lol

ub0211042
2009.12.23, 09:35 PM
nota a problem buddy just send me your email :)

KRYTEN is going to try and get a link set-up as he has some account that lets him and i dont lol

ub0211042@gmail.com :D

kryten
2009.12.24, 12:31 PM
USB to 232 drivers (http://www.mediafire.com/?mkmqwyayeju)

There you go,courtesy of Reaper. :D

ub0211042
2009.12.24, 08:36 PM
USB to 232 drivers (http://www.mediafire.com/?mkmqwyayeju)

There you go,courtesy of Reaper. :D

thanks u guys...:)

seanp2k
2010.02.24, 09:58 PM
Couldn't we just use a cheap USB to TTL 5v converter such as this from Digi-Key: http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/1643622-cable-usb-ttl-serial-conv-ttl-232r-5v-we.html ?

civilian
2010.07.28, 10:39 AM
is anyone know about the software which can set ICS directly from a PDA?
coz is not easy go play mini-z bring the pitbox along with a laptop riding a scooter... :p

Joel2010
2010.11.21, 06:47 AM
USB to 232 drivers (http://www.mediafire.com/?mkmqwyayeju)

There you go,courtesy of Reaper. :D


another driver if above not works:

http://cid-239e3a317a793bfb.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Usb%20To%20Rs232/Usb%20To%20Rs232.zip

Bodom
2011.04.23, 03:53 AM
I made myself ICS cable following this thread and it works fine :)
Thank you dabinn!

herman
2013.02.08, 11:22 PM
hi wondering what were the issues with using the USB adapter? which ones exactly work? thanks for any replies

Juggler
2013.02.11, 06:42 PM
Just built it!Great info and help in this thread!Thank you!!!

herman
2013.02.11, 10:42 PM
nice to hear... were you able to program the reverse delay response?

Juggler
2013.02.12, 06:05 AM
nice to hear... were you able to program the reverse delay response?

Herman no...only the EX chassis gives you this option.I set the nutral wide and v.inertia off instead,and today i'll check the results on the track!
By the way i found on the ebay wire assembly with those JST ZH 4pins and i got 10 set!

speedyracer
2013.04.16, 08:12 PM
Hi and thanks very much for this info...

I have not read this thread in entirety because I'm in the middle of something

Will this work for MR-03 Tiki Tiki chassis board?

TheSteve
2013.04.16, 08:18 PM
Hi and thanks very much for this info...

I have not read this thread in entirety because I'm in the middle of something

Will this work for MR-03 Tiki Tiki chassis board?


Yes it will.

speedyracer
2013.04.19, 12:06 PM
thanks ub

Just realised my laptop doesn't have a serial port and i almost complete constructing this...

I have to buy usb to serial converter i suppose

speedyracer
2013.05.04, 10:52 AM
Dissapointed that i couldn't get the ics cable to work.

I asked the help of an electrician to construct it for me using the schematics found in this thread.

As you can see from the picture it's constructed very neatly (however neatly doesn't guarantee correctness, sure).

Can you please point me in the right direction using the multimeter how to test the transistor whether it's positioned right or not?

I haven't asked him yet if he tested whether the B,C,E parts of the transistor is positioned right ( i use 2N3904 transistor btw). But I believe he did follow the drawing as a guide and the picture clearly shows which side is rounded and which side is flat.

I don't know what went wrong but it just not working.

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33714&stc=1&d=1367678909

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33713&stc=1&d=1367678775

TheSteve
2013.05.04, 04:46 PM
I'll take a look for you and compare to the schematics but you'll need to get better pictures, use macro mode if you have it.

speedyracer
2013.05.09, 03:35 PM
The hand-drawn picture on the first post is wrong. No wonder people have been making mistakes. PLEASE REMOVE IT.

For 2n3904 transistor, B should be in the center, C left, E right.