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jonnywachter
2009.05.04, 07:18 PM
I have been thinking about this topic for sometime now and I just wanted to hear everyones feedback.

First question is, why don't we use lexan bodies? I understand that they don't just snap on to the stock mini-z but you can easily make body mounts to do so. Lexan bodies are a lot lighter and can be painted from the inside and not needing as many coats of paint as you would use on the outside of a body. With the body being so light the cars center of gravity would be lowered significantly.

Second, why only Kyosho? Other companies have the power to put out their own car and greatly improve the design of the 1/28th racing chassis. I feel with more cars on the market the mini-z scene can grow significantly. The tracks are already awesome and super consistent, at least if its RCP. I honestly love these little cars and want to see them grow, and i feel the only way they can would be to introduce a competitive chassis.

ianc
2009.05.04, 08:12 PM
To address your first question (at least from my perspective), I don't use lexan bodies because they're ugly. I am an automotive enthusiast, and to a certain extent, part of the fun of driving for me is identifying with the car I'm driving. Just not possible to the same extent with lexan bodies. I, for one, don't like to paint cars. It's a messy job, a lot of work, and it will likely not be as tough as the gloss coat finish when you're done. Racing bodies usually get trashed anyway, so why put all the time and effort into giving it a custom paint job? And then there is the mounting clip business...

As for competing chassis, good question. Others have tried (xmods, iwaver, etc), but they just don't stack up to Mini-z's in terms of quality and performance. In a way, it's not a bad thing, since the same basic car puts everyone on a level playing field to begin with before any modding is done. It's bad in that Kyosho can control the market and pricing. Just look at the recent price hikes for Autoscale bodies...

Anyway, them's my thoughts and you bought them, so now you're stuck with them.

ianc

color01
2009.05.04, 08:40 PM
I think that most Mini-Z racing is fundamentally closer to Tamiya's TCS racing rather than really hardcore TC or pan car racing; a lot of value is placed on prettiness. :) A lot of us got into Mini-Z's because the bodies were so phenomenal, and there will only be a select few who are willing to give that up just to go faster. IMO the racing wouldn't be made any more enjoyable by going to Lexan bodies; you don't give anything up by requiring everyone to use a hard plastic body. Racing is still competitive as ever since everyone's on pretty equal ground, and because the bodies take most of the impact damage, you tend to break fewer chassis parts.

Granted, Lexan bodies are cheaper... but they don't necessarily last any longer than hard plastic bodies at this scale, where they often end up cracking anyways because there's no space for the Lexan to flex.

Regarding chassis, the MA010 most certainly has room for improvement, but the MR02 is a very well-balanced platform to begin with, and with so many people developing parts for it, it continues to mature as a racing chassis 6 years after its release. There's a reason why most aftermarket 1/28 chassis have failed... it's because the MR02 is often still faster! (Although recent MRCG race results are showing otherwise... that's a story for another time :D) AWD custom chassis have definitely shown promise (Pro-Z TCZ comes to mind) but building one up gets really costly really fast.

As for other large companies stepping up to compete with the Mini-Z, I haven't seen it happen yet and I don't expect to. Kyosho has the market cornered with the Autoscale gig, and anyone else trying to get into the game would only be able to compete with the chassis, which is NOT what gets you sales in this market -- it's Readysets with bodies, and Autoscales, that gets you sales.

Granted, with Autoscales going up to $50 I would love to see some large company step up and create some Mini-Z caliber 1/28 car that can compete both on the shelf and on the track. Serpent's already done their S240, so I don't see why they couldn't set their sights on the Mini-Z with their next micro RC.

arch2b
2009.05.04, 08:40 PM
all good points but the selling point for kyosho has been the autoscale appearance. kyosho makes die cast models so the mini-z was a transition for them from diecast to rc's.

lexan has never taken off for this scale. as mentioned, the selling point has always been the die cast appearance. squat offered lexan bodies years and years ago and dropped them due to lack of sales. as much as people may like them for hard core racing, it just doesn't make up the majority market for this scale and the sales are just not there to make it profitable on a large scale.

lets face it. a vast majority of owners never race competitively.

why kyosho? in 10 years, they have consistently made the better product. again, this is a small market in whole, small enough to not support many manufacturers. it's survival of the fitest and kyosho has proven to be able to survive after 10 years.

want proof, where are iwavers found? how come aftermarket chassis's are not sold worldwide in every store? the core of this market has been and will remain the casual driver who appreciates the scale appearance combined with the tuneability of a hobby class rc chassis.

aftermarket chassis kits have done wonders in keeping the spark alive though.

jonnywachter
2009.05.05, 03:08 AM
Everyone has great points that I hadn't even considered. Thats why I started this thread. I totally understand now about the auto scale bodies and I understand that the scale look is what people are going for. I guess im looking at it differently because of my racing background, I honestly like the look of the pan car and touring car bodies, even though they arent "scale" they have that racing look I have come to love. There is one thing I want to touch on tho, the pan car body is absalotly not scale to anything, so why not allow lexan bodies in alteast that class? Also if companies made lexan touring car bodies, would there be a class? I know I would definatly try to start one, and at that point, if the class took off, maybe people would see 1/28 racing as more of "racing" instead of autoscales. And if we get more of a racing feel that would introduce a market for a competetive chassis and so on....

So, of course kyosho has survived for 10 years in the mini-z scene, they invented it! I feel the reason Iwaver didnt work was because the were cheap and just copied kyosho (from my knowledge, I dont know exactly what they did), and x-mods were a cheap radioshack car that was never designed to "race" with mini-z's. I was getting more at the bigger companies that actually know how do design a car such as Losi, Associated, CRC, TM, Xray, Yokomo, and Tamiya. Just to name a few if these companies designed a car of the same scale it would be intersting to see what they would come up with.

color01
2009.05.05, 06:04 AM
I was getting more at the bigger companies that actually know how do design a car such as Losi, Associated, CRC, TM, Xray, Yokomo, and Tamiya. Just to name a few if these companies designed a car of the same scale it would be intersting to see what they would come up with.
Probably something similar to this, lol...

http://www.greyscaleracing.com/images/presentation%20035-web.jpg

-J-
2009.05.05, 06:19 AM
Regarding chassis, the MA010 most certainly has room for improvement.

Besides the small balance issue, how do you mean?

arch2b
2009.05.05, 08:50 AM
squat did make lexan touring car bodies. there was never a large enough market to support them. they have told us that they will make them again provided we can hit a min. qnty. never have been able to do that.

lexan bodies will be best suited for the modified classes where aftermarket chassis designs are better suited for them. i'm not saying they can't be used on mini-z's, it's just more rare than finding them on aftermarket chassis's.

this is not the first thread to ask why no lexans. it's always the same answer. the market is so small, few have taken up the cause to keep them going.

currently, reflex racing carries the only mass market lexan bodies (still very limited production and even smaller distribution). i bought the civic and it's awsome. i had to sell my aftermarket chassis so i let the body go as well.

others will have to touch on why not allow lexans with pan cars.

MikeL
2009.05.05, 09:40 AM
I wish atomic and PN would make a car body similar to their pan bodies, it could be a non brand to avoid the licensing issue, but a body that worked well with 94-98mm, and is always available in white :) I hate kyosho's spotty supply issues with bodies, I always seem to need a new one when they are out of stock. Keeping it around $20 would be good too.

HammerZ
2009.05.05, 01:52 PM
With the limited production and distribution, to me I like a wide choice of styles. That comes to personal taste. Some are into the import cars, some want pan style cars, then there are those wanting 60's and 70's muscle cars. I guess it is hard to make something that will sell enough to clear the costs of making the bucks and materials used.

Back in the early mini z days there was a number of us looking at 1/24 scale slot car bodies. I bought a few to try on my MR01, it was not that good as those are made very thin. It was like running without a body at all, not a good idea anyway. The ones I had are the competition grade bodies pulled from .010 sheet stock, an .030 is a better choice as an RC car body. Most slot cars are nothing more than a plate with a motor, with a radio controlled car you have batteries and radio stuff on board so the extra protection is needed.

Most of the purpose made bodies I seen offered so far are mostly for the 98mm wheelbase cars.

jonnywachter
2009.05.05, 03:13 PM
So I was doing a little ebay browsing and I found this body.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/jon_wachter/spice_spm-206_001.jpg
I was in disbelief at first, I couldn't believe that I had literally just talked about getting a lexan touring car body and there it is (and its a Mazda 6)! So these must be new or im sure someone would have mentioned them already, I want to get one but the price is a little steep. Has anyone else seen these? I tried to do a little research on the company that makes them but I cant find anything.

Davey G
2009.05.05, 03:58 PM
Hi Johnny, U have seen the lexan bods on Reflexracing.net havent you??

Use the search button and type "LimmitED"

arch2b
2009.05.05, 07:23 PM
Hi Johnny, U have seen the lexan bods on Reflexracing.net havent you??

Use the search button and type "LimmitED"

i mentioned this earlier as well. if you want touring car bodies, he already makes a couple and they are very affordable.

yasuji
2009.05.05, 10:15 PM
i have tested a few lexan bodies as well as foamies with great results
(and @ Matsushimas you are welcome to run any body you want in modified...lexan or plastic)....but not any faster than what we currently run...it would need added weight to get it to feel like it was planted......
the biggest reason that i do not run lexan is for the protection..... on of the first tests i did with a lexan pancar body....i hit a bumper in the chicane and bent a aluminum knuckle.....:mad:
imo, that is why racing larger scales do not attract me......imagine how pissed u would if that was your brand new dub A arm
i have seen the limited lexan bodies in person when we went to cargel in sweden.....it is a bit stronger in the frontal areas than the others that i have tested.....but ....if i get T-boned ....NO THANKS.....at least plastic will absorb most of the impact....
as far as other chassis go...... there are quite a few out there....and to a degree they all work well in the right hands....i wish i knew what serpent was thinking when they made a 1/24th scale pancar:confused:.....if it was 1/28th...it possibly could have been a kyosho killer....:p
bottom line is.....1/28th scale is a perfect scale to race in....bring on the chassis....;)

color01
2009.05.05, 11:39 PM
The Serpent pan car looks to be a badge-engineered REWO car, hence the 1/24 scale (the original REWO was 1/24 for the European market, I guess). Wish Serpent would've released a 1/28 version for the US market, but oh well...

Good point about getting T-boned. Whereas the hard plastic bodies do a good job of protecting the rear wheels, Lexan bodies just flex and let the rear axle/knuckles take the hit... so with Lexan bodies you REALLY need nerf wings or protection of some sort.



Regarding my comment on the MA010, I think that something can be done to lower the CG to make it a more proper touring-car style chassis. Just a shame that it's so not cost-effective to do, otherwise I would certainly be working on an AWD chassis...

jonnywachter
2009.05.06, 02:29 AM
Regarding my comment on the MA010, I think that something can be done to lower the CG to make it a more proper touring-car style chassis. Just a shame that it's so not cost-effective to do, otherwise I would certainly be working on an AWD chassis...

Thats true I have an entire concept in my head but the only part that would not have to be custom made is the drive train, everything else completely redesigned. I was thinking of starting something but I don't have the proper tools.

herman
2009.05.06, 07:02 AM
First question is, why don't we use lexan bodies? Second, why only Kyosho?

hi jonny... well for me, as mentioned by some, the autoscale cars that kyosho make are quite appealing and the details are way above my expectations...

i pretty much grew up with matchbox and hot wheel die cast cars... and it kinda got boring after a while... (oops, hope my age isn't showing)

having the thought of owning a car on this scale in a clear display case seems quite ordinary in itself (you see it in the case, you can take it out of the case, you can touch it, marvel at the details, etc. etc.)...

but now you have the option of putting it on a remote controlled chassis and actually running it anywhere in your house... a living room floor, the garage, the basement, or on the street (i wouldn't recommend it though)...

if you're serious, you have another option of tinkering with the chassis, adding hop ups, or modified parts to improve it's performance... plus the chance to participate in races against other cars on tracks around the world...

is a pretty good idea any kid could wish for... in my case, we're talking about a 40+ year old kid (double oops - i've spilled the beans)... and i'm pretty sure that there are older kids out there :D...

it's almost like a dream come true... (at least if i can't have the real thing, i can drive a pretty cool one in 1/28th scale... hehehe) this was what i found appealing to me most... that plus it was quite affordable...

i guess kyosho pretty much cornered this niche or market segment...

others tried, but unfortunately they didn't quite take off...
tamiya - circa 1994
came out with their tamtech 1/24 (http://www.rccartips.com/tamiya-tamtech.htm) although i don't have one, i've read that they were pretty good at that time... couldn't say much about their production run either... but if you look hard enough you could still get one on the bay... they used a hard plastic body...

kawada tripmate
i got this and it's really cool... being 1/24 - 1/28 scale... the tripmate uses a kind of a lexan type body, and a chassis pretty similar to kyosho's mr01, using aaa batts too... you can even use a kyosho autoscale body if you wanted too... and to top it off, you use real electronics (micro electronics that is)...

the tripmate came out somewhere in between kyosho's mr01 and mr02... it was everything that the mr01 wasn't... finally no more shaky steering issues... it had an adjustable track width and wheelbase.... all that plus it was faster too (using 180 motors vs. 130)

unfortunately though (in my opinion, that is), kawada's downfall was just that... real electronics, er make that micro electronics....

apart from the kit, you would have to buy micro electronics, which mean more expense... and at the time you could probably buy a mr01, a couple of bodies and hop ups, with some change to spare...

to my memory they came out with two types of lexan type bodies... and the production run didn't last very long...

then came kyosho's mr02 chassis... which was a huge leap from the mr01 chassis... biggest breakthrough being the steering issues that the previous chassis was having... no more shaky steering plus it had a servo saver... no more broken servos too...

feeding the need for speed issue was eventually addressed by initially coming out with an external turbo... and consequently by changing out fets to better ones and stacking them (usually called a fet upgrade or quite loosely - internal turbo)

some others i've read up on...

ABC - ABC DTM SP / ABC DTM X4
1/24 scale... also came out with a lexan type body... i believe they came out with a 2wd and a 4wd version... and used real micro electronics as well... saw the 4wd version in h.k. a long time ago... although it seemed pretty advanced at the time, i didn't want to spend too much on a new platform...

Yokomo Sonic Racer
pretty serious contender... came out quite similar to kyosho's rtr platform... 1/28 scale with plastic autoscale bodies... unfortunately, i still yet have to actually see one... don't think they officially came out with one for commercial sales... batteries were 3/4 the size of a aaa battery... all the publicity came out a couple of months before kyosho's mr02 release...

and the others who came in at one time or another....
Dynamite Rocket Racers
Mini-X
Aktiv Road Racer
Auldey / Radi-Can
Dynamite Rocket Racer
Marui 1/24 RC Club
WWS Pro
XMODS
I-Waver
Serpent

and there are other custom platforms as well...
pro-z... (anybody remember scott???) GSR MRCG, tgr sinister and others (can't seem to remember the others)... each have their pro's and con's... but none have the diversity and longevity of kyosho's mini-z line (now going on it's 10th year) which is being supported by quite a number of third party
parts manufacturers...

for those who choose, some guys do use lexan bodies... i'm not that knowledgeable to know how many racers (usually it's the racers who use lexan) over the world choose lexan, but i've been around long enough to know that they are out there... there are guys from sweden (click here to see a similar thread on lexan bodies started by InZane (http://www.mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11523&highlight=pro-z)) who run insanely fast cars, some aren't exactly kyosho, but scratch built bullets, with micro electronics and such usuing 1/24 scale slot car bodies... which isn't a bad idea, then there are bodies by LimmitED which are pretty cool too

i do have one car that i got from donut which has a lexan body... it's pretty cool...
click here to see the details (http://www.mydestiny.net/~hobbyshop/donutsrc/917K.htm)

http://www.mydestiny.net/~hobbyshop/donutsrc/917K/917K13.jpg
http://www.mydestiny.net/~hobbyshop/donutsrc/917K/917K01.jpg
http://www.mydestiny.net/~hobbyshop/donutsrc/917K/917K12.jpg

for something to happen wherein you get all these platforms to race against each other, would entail a lot... rules, regulations and other stuff have to be sorted out and put in order...

unless you have a open modified anything goes type of race... guess that would be fun seeing what other brands are out there, and how they perform against each other...

this has been kinda long... so going to cut out for now...

dxm2
2009.05.06, 11:16 AM
I put together a lexan bodied MR02 and loved the performance. I used one of LimitED's bodies and got it working fairly well. Although the performance was great, it never looked as good as the AutoScale bodies. Much of the reason for this is the thinkness of the lexan. At that scale, you just can't get the same level of detail in lexan that you can with molded plastic. The lexan is too thick, at least on the body I have. The body posted by Herman looks great and I'd buy one of those in a heart beat, but even the body that's sold on Ebay looks bulbous and lacks definition.
Competition breeds developement of new products and what we need are more companies making bodies and or complete cars. Kyosho only brought out an AWD after Radio Shack brought out the first gen X-Mods. But as someone said earlier, the market is just too small.

ianc
2009.05.06, 11:17 AM
Very very cool car Herman. But the paintwork... I'd be terrified to race that thing...

ianc

color01
2009.05.06, 01:45 PM
From a marketing standpoint, a lot of our CF chassis are "accessories" for the MR02 rather than competitors... Pro-Z, MRCG, Sinister, P28, Carbon-One included, since they are all Mini-Z based.

What Kyosho did right, I think, is to have the Mini-Z utilize loose AAA cells. This is what allows anyone, even non-hobbyists, to buy a car, put whatever batteries they have into it, and be able to have fun at home, without buying a new charger, new packs, etc. The initial investment is relatively very small. It's fast and precise for racers to enjoy, but cheap and pretty for hobbyists to collect, which gives it the largest market base you can possibly get within this niche.

Any competitor to Kyosho at this point in time will need to have a similar caliber chassis (design is not all too important, as long as it's high quality), better bodies or modifiable bodies (Xmods brought on a VERY good idea), and most of all, a better price point. Whoever thought of the Gen 1 Xmod was half a genius -- all the customization ideas were absolutely excellent; just that the chassis was too heavy and inefficient, and the market wanted better quality parts.

One final note, I think the Pro27/P28 has been around for quite a long time, InZane's been working hard to keep his car at the top echelon of Regupol racing for years. ;)

herman
2009.05.07, 05:09 AM
Very very cool car Herman. But the paintwork... I'd be terrified to race that thing...

ianc

thanks ianc... but i can't take the credit... the mastermind behind it was donut... it's a lexan body, so the paint is under not on top of the body... the decals he made himself... body mounts he used came from kawada... genius...

he put it up for sale, and i snapped it up... :D

herman
2009.05.07, 05:18 AM
another good point yasuji mentions why some of us don't use lexan is protection...
i also figure that having weight in the proper places is kinda important... and having a lighter overall car is good up to a certain point... if your car is already light, and you go lexan... you wouldn't want to be rear-ended by a heavier car with a plastic body...

herman
2009.05.07, 05:21 AM
Pro-Z, MRCG, Sinister, P28, Carbon-One included
of course i missed the p28... and carbon-one?... can anybody post pics? i really haven't come across any of these types of chassis... and thus i have no experience with them... have read some reviews... are there any other chassis types out there?

dxm2
2009.05.07, 10:56 AM
Protection is a good point. The only time that I've broken H plates is while running modified 962 bodies and my lexan body. But if everyone on course was running a lexan body with a low front bumper like Herman's 917, it would be less of an issue. I still like the idea of Lexan bodies and I've already ordered one of those 917s from TruScale. I'll order some replacement H plates too......

color01
2009.05.07, 04:15 PM
Pro-Z V6 (pic from arch): Famous back then, obsolete now.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/726/medium/IMG_4981.JPG

TGR Sinister (from A*mods/RedRC): Discontinued but still available I think.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/atomicmodstgrsinister-1.jpg

InZane P28 (from Reflex Racing): Reflex still has 'em.

http://www.reflexracing.net/images/inzane/HPIM0501.jpg

Carbon-One (from Carbon-One/RedRC): Email the site owner to purchase.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/carbonone-1.jpg

MRCG: New version coming soon!

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1312/Presentation_024-s.jpg



There are several others from Europe, such as the ALS Racing M242, that I've heard of but they haven't gotten much attention internationally; and I wouldn't be surprised if Asia has one or two that I don't even know about. Nonetheless, if you're a shopper in this kind of super-niche market there's plenty of flavor already to choose from.



However, to this day I am STILL waiting for an MRCG vs. P28 vs. Sinister review! :D

jonnywachter
2009.05.07, 07:58 PM
Brian, you say on the MRCG there is a new version coming soon. Care to elaborate on this? I would assume that the front end would be the main focus since the unequal length suspension that PN recently came out with is doing so well. Maybe revision on the rear pod like what Dave did to his MRCG.

herman
2009.05.08, 12:13 AM
thanks color01 for the pics of different chassis... :D

color01
2009.05.08, 02:21 AM
Care to elaborate on this?
Nope. :D I'll put up the details in a separate thread soon. ;)

herman
2009.05.11, 03:24 AM
found more lexan bodies...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kEwsDHh-V2w/SgbFl2FJTMI/AAAAAAAAAXg/UE40fIyqCmQ/s1600-h/ss.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kEwsDHh-V2w/SgbFl2FJTMI/AAAAAAAAAXg/UE40fIyqCmQ/s1600-h/ss.JPG

Cherub1m
2009.05.11, 10:43 AM
found more lexan bodies...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kEwsDHh-V2w/SgbFl2FJTMI/AAAAAAAAAXg/UE40fIyqCmQ/s1600-h/ss.JPG

Very nice herman any other links to those?

herman
2009.05.12, 12:39 AM
sorry i just saw this in a spanish jorge jayena posted... no other info (i could understand) was given wish i could have been of more help.

Davey G
2009.05.14, 09:58 AM
Johnny: Have you seen this one yet? I have had this one for yrs now but have yet to paint it up or mount it on anything.

Go to ebay and type in TEAM BLUEGROOVE

deloreanaka8
2009.05.17, 01:39 PM
sorry i just saw this in a spanish jorge jayena posted... no other info (i could understand) was given wish i could have been of more help.

herman give me the link if you can still find it, I can translate the spanish if you need. :)

arch2b
2009.05.17, 01:51 PM
Una marca más se anima a fabricar carrocerias en Lexan para Mini-z, en este caso es Spice quien nos presenta estos 4 modelos, Mazda RX7, Mazda 6, Nissan 34Z y Nissan R35. Las encontramos en distancias de 90mm a 94mm y un precio de 20€ puestas en casa. El pack incluye la carroceria, sin pintar con film protector y las pegatinas.

found on his blog (http://mini-zworld.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-05-11T21:34:00%2B02:00&max-results=15)...

arch2b
2009.05.17, 01:53 PM
also there,
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kEwsDHh-V2w/SgA99LicFYI/AAAAAAAAATo/kueUrXluppo/s320/IMG_6280-RCC51.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kEwsDHh-V2w/SgA9z4d1wxI/AAAAAAAAATY/Z-VUyXJMn4E/s320/IMG_6320-RCC51.jpg

Cada vez mas marcas y fabricantes, desarrollan carrocerias en Lexan, debido a sus infinitas posiblildades y su bajo coste de fabricación. Esta alternativa se ve cada vez mas incentivada, y una de las causas puede ser por la subida de precio en las carrocerias Kyosho de plastico inyectado.

dxm2
2009.09.09, 04:59 PM
Hi Everyone,
Just recently I realized a further disadvantage to using the lexan 1/24 slot car bodies: lack of durability. Slot cars rarely get into the same types of collisions that Mini-z's do. I found this out the hard way with a Porsche 917 TruScale body that I was racing the other night. The pictures are before the crash. Although I've repaired the crack that ran from the front lip up beyond the top of the headlight line, it will never look as good as it did before the crash.

ianc
2009.09.09, 05:16 PM
Yup, you've gotta have that bumper protruding beyond the lower extremity of the body in front. However, not even that can guarantee protection if you hit something higher than the bumper lip.

On the one hand, Lexan bodies are cheap, but on the other hand, you've probably got some time into trimming, painting and decalling them...

ianc

herman
2009.09.10, 01:41 AM
deloreanaka8... thanks for the help... arch pointed out the blog... and the write up...

Una marca más se anima a fabricar carrocerias en Lexan para Mini-z, en este caso es Spice quien nos presenta estos 4 modelos, Mazda RX7, Mazda 6, Nissan 34Z y Nissan R35. Las encontramos en distancias de 90mm a 94mm y un precio de 20€ puestas en casa. El pack incluye la carroceria, sin pintar con film protector y las pegatinas.

herman
2009.09.10, 01:48 AM
Hi Everyone,
Just recently I realized a further disadvantage to using the lexan 1/24 slot car bodies: lack of durability. Slot cars rarely get into the same types of collisions that Mini-z's do. I found this out the hard way with a Porsche 917 TruScale body that I was racing the other night. The pictures are before the crash. Although I've repaired the crack that ran from the front lip up beyond the top of the headlight line, it will never look as good as it did before the crash.

hi dxm2... i got a similar body... c/o donut... did you check out the front bumper up in front? it is definitely a must... any ''after'' pics???

dxm2
2009.09.10, 11:07 AM
Hi Herman,
I've always really liked your 917 from donut. Amazing paintjob.
I used one of the carbon fiber front bumpbers for the LM cars but it wasn't long enough.....I'm making a plastic extension with a foam bumber to sit under the front of the body. To hide the crack I'm going to paint the headlight covers black. I'll see if I can post a pic before the paint job.