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RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 04:03 PM
Below are the steps for installing the rail protectors/liners. You can install the rail liners at any point on your track. Installing them on the inside turns will protect the foam rails from any damaged caused by RC car impacts. The liners will also help your car bank or slide off the turns and will not cause your car to stop abruptly and bounce back into traffic when impacting the rails. The rail liners are made from a very soft plastic, so they will not break or shatter from car impacts.

Each rail liner kit comes with a quantity of 6 pieces measuring 43 inches long. You can purchase rail liner kits at links below. They run $17.99 per kit ( 6 rail liners in each kit) from the Tinyrc/mini-zracer shop. They are in stock and ready to ship now.

http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=19846&cat=283&page=1

OR

http://shop.tinyrc.com/home.php?cat=283


Each kit of 6 rail liners are packaged like shown.

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/5452/raillinerpackaging.jpg

Remove the strap holding the bundle and fold the two perforated sections in a 90 degree fashion. I find it easy to bend each side a little then put it on the floor upside down and step on it running your foot up the length of the rail. This will bend the sides more than 90 degree’s than you can simple push them back to the ideal angle.

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/9205/raillinertoflat.jpg

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1037/raillinerfolded.jpg

For installing on inside turns, cut with scissors a 10 inch to 11 inch section out of one side and the bottom of the liner as shown below. When installing on 90 degree turns, you will cut a smaller length out of the rail. You only need to cut away the material that meets up with the bend or turn part of the rail.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9634/raillinercutforturn.jpg

Slide one rail inside the liner and then the second rail as shown below.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2849/raillinerhalfinrail.jpg

Flip the rails over and mark a hole or slot on the liner where the PINS install. I like to cut a slot, so it gives you room to move or adjust the rail when you install them.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1406/raillinerfinalupsidedow.jpg

You can install the liner tight to the foam corner rails or leave a gap if you want a little spring or give to the liner at the center of the turn as shown below.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6628/finalfullraillinerinsta.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/954/finishedrailinstalled.jpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3028/finalrailwithgap.jpg



The rail liners are designed with two perforated sides so that the liner will not come off from RC car impacts. The back side locks the liner into the rail for a secure attachment.

RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 04:04 PM
The liners can be installed on the straight rails by following the directions above, but without cutting the section of rail liner out. Flip the rails upside down to mark PIN locations to cut holes or slots.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1792/railinsleevestraight.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4442/railandsleevedforpin.jpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7289/raillinerfinalpin.jpg

The rail liners are designed with two perforated sides so that the liner will not come off from RC car impacts. The back side locks the liner into the rail for a secure attachment.

Tjay
2009.06.23, 05:05 PM
John: Awesome idea! With this we can now enjoy all the nice autoscale bodies available in the market without having to hack the front bumpers. It's also good for beginner drivers since it'll be more forgiving to them when they go on the track.

I will have to talk to my drivers/customers and see what they say. Thanks!

RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 05:29 PM
Thanks Tjay,

I had Philip of PN Racing test some prototypes a few weeks back. Philip liked how the cars would slide off the turns and bounce to the outside of the track, rather than back into traffic. The rail liners will protect the inside turn and straight rails from getting damaged from multiple car impacts.

You can also make custom banner cards for your track and insert them into the space between the rail liner and the rail. They can stick up past the rail to display sponsors or team names.

I believe the liners will help for a more smooth flow to races as there won't be as many pile ups at the short inside turns. Philip mentioned possibly using them for the PN Worlds final race in Spain, later this year.

RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 05:41 PM
If your inside corner rails have been through a lot of abuse typically seen at hobby store and club tracks, than you can cover or paint the inside surface of the liner to hide any previous damage to the soft foam rail. If you don't want to use paint, you can cover the inside surface of the rail liner with tape or thin paper/cardboard. This will work to hide any dents or chunks previously taken out of the inside rail.

mleemor60
2009.06.23, 05:55 PM
I just ordered 2 kits for use at High Speed Hobbies. Thanks John.

RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 06:51 PM
I just ordered 2 kits for use at High Speed Hobbies. Thanks John.


Great! Be sure to post up on how they worked out for you and your drivers.

arch2b
2009.06.23, 08:53 PM
I just ordered 2 kits for use at High Speed Hobbies. Thanks John.

i ordered 1 set for my track at home june 06. unfortunately, it's only now shipping, or at least i hope it is.

but yeah, i am very interested to see how these change the track dynamic. especially for my kids. this should mean less accidents due to getting stuck on rails and getting clobbered by another car.

fyi, as mentioned on tinyrc, i made rail liner advertising banners (http://tinyrc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=206121&postcount=41) 4-5 years ago which might be perfect for these new rail liners. feel free to reprint as desired.

Davey G
2009.06.23, 09:10 PM
I ABSOLUTLLY Love this idea, I am curious to know how the santioning body (atomic, PN, etc) feels about this. If we purchase this for our local track do they have to be removed for a PN regional race? Thoughts??????

arch2b
2009.06.23, 09:31 PM
how about hfay legal as well?

bermbuster
2009.06.23, 09:40 PM
Maj had his own version of rail liners on the now defunct Banked track. He used thin lexan and it worked awesome.....saved me on many occasion......

RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 09:57 PM
I have yet to stick an F1 under the rail liner. The vertical lift is very stiff and the F1 front wing doesn't want to lift it when it impacts the rail liner. Give it a try yourself and let us know your results. (My tests with the F1 were with the front wing protector installed.)

RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 11:32 PM
I ABSOLUTLLY Love this idea, I am curious to know how the santioning body (atomic, PN, etc) feels about this. If we purchase this for our local track do they have to be removed for a PN regional race? Thoughts??????

I know PN will allow them. I am sure Atomic and HFAY will follow as well. It doesn't change the track surface or layout, just allows a smoother flow to the race as the cars won't get hung up at the turns nearly as much. Not shown is the rail liners used at the large radius inside turns. This is were you will really see some of the times pick up as the cars can graze the plastic and keep going.

RCPMini-z
2009.06.23, 11:37 PM
Maj had his own version of rail liners on the now defunct Banked track. He used thin lexan and it worked awesome.....saved me on many occasion......


I am curious if the lexan was brittle. I tested previously with a thin lexan material and the F1 cars would shatter it on heavy impacts. The plastic used for our liners is not thin and is very soft. It will bend but will not break. It can withstand the abuse from all size RC cars 1/10 and smaller. Being thick allows the liners to be very rigid with respect to vertical lift. The F1 cars can't lift it at the turns, like they do to the foam rails, on occasion.

bermbuster
2009.06.23, 11:47 PM
I am curious if the lexan was brittle. I tested previously with a thin lexan material and the F1 cars would shatter it on heavy impacts. The plastic used for our liners is not thin and is very soft. It will bend but will not break. It can withstand the abuse from all size RC cars 1/10 and smaller. Being thick allows the liners to be very rigid with respect to vertical lift. The F1 cars can't lift it at the turns, like they do to the foam rails, on occasion.
true lexan is never brittle....some polycarbonate substrates imitate lexan and you have issues. The material Maj used was 1/8 thick and cars blasted the protectors with no ill effects.....he used it on the lower wall of the bank and on the entry and exits.....Maj originally had the lexan made for his 1/12 scale track (ozite) which is now defunct as well....
Maj mounted it w tape and shingled the edges so cars wouldnt get caught....

RCPMini-z
2009.06.24, 12:00 AM
true lexan is never brittle....some polycarbonate substrates imitate lexan and you have issues. The material Maj used was 1/8 thick and cars blasted the protectors with no ill effects.....he used it on the lower wall of the bank and on the entry and exits.....Maj originally had the lexan made for his 1/12 scale track (ozite) which is now defunct as well....
Maj mounted it w tape and shingled the edges so cars wouldnt get caught....


Sounds good. I believe we used the imitation polycarbonate material for our previous tests. I received it from our factory in Taiwan, so it wasn't to par with true lexan.

herman
2009.06.24, 12:05 AM
You can also make custom banner cards for your track and insert them into the space between the rail liner and the rail. They can stick up past the rail to display sponsors or team names.

i made rail liner advertising banners 4-5 years ago which might be perfect for these new rail liners. feel free to reprint as desired.

thanks arch... in addition... here's something dusty weasle came up with back in 2005... from the thread... http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19303
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17184&d=1126168416

pretty good ideas... mine was to stick it onto the rail with clear tape, but i think this is a whole lot better...
quick... cut paste and print them now (you could save ink by changing background to white though)... :D

RCPMini-z
2009.06.24, 12:52 AM
thanks arch... in addition... here's something dusty weasle came up with back in 2005... from the thread... http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19303


pretty good ideas... mine was to stick it onto the rail with clear tape, but i think this is a whole lot better...
quick... cut paste and print them now (you could save ink by changing background to white though)... :D



Printing now. Will post up some pics with the banners behind the rail liners in a moment or two.

herman
2009.06.24, 01:15 AM
coolness :D

RCPMini-z
2009.06.24, 01:22 AM
I like how they look behind the rail liner and they won't get scratched off. Looks like we need a banner contest and give away some free stuff to the winners.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1856/railbanner1.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/535/railbanner3.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6828/railbanner2.jpg

RCPMini-z
2009.06.24, 01:43 AM
i ordered 1 set for my track at home june 06. unfortunately, it's only now shipping, or at least i hope it is.

but yeah, i am very interested to see how these change the track dynamic. especially for my kids. this should mean less accidents due to getting stuck on rails and getting clobbered by another car.

fyi, as mentioned on tinyrc, i made rail liner advertising banners (http://tinyrc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=206121&postcount=41) 4-5 years ago which might be perfect for these new rail liners. feel free to reprint as desired.


There has been some delay's in RCP orders lately, but I believe we have that all straightened out with our shipper. Fedex shows your order arriving at your shipping address on Thursday of this week. If you are using the rail liners on 30cm tracks, you will need to bring the outer most edge of the liner against the foam rail. You will have a small gap at the back of the rail liner and rail, but if you cut the holes or slots with the front of the rail liner against the foam rail, it will work correctly. Let me know if you understand or not.

herman
2009.06.24, 01:49 AM
ahh... i repeat coolness :D :D :D
now that looks like a real track as dusty weasle put it...

Just as it’s a proven fact that a good looking car is faster, it’s also a fact that a good looking track is more exciting. Enjoy. :D

Dusty Weasle
2009.06.24, 02:53 AM
Haha, I thought those looked familiar. :D

The jpg in post #17 was a low-res group shot I put together just to show what I was doing. The original files are hi-res TIF files for printing (individual banners, no black background).

The link from my old Banner thread is long since dead.
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19303
I'll dig through my old files and put the package back together for downloading. I've since recreated some logos and added a few more in vector art format, too.

I'll post here (and the new RCP Banner thread) when its ready for downloading.

RCPMini-z
2009.06.24, 04:53 PM
Haha, I thought those looked familiar. :D

The jpg in post #17 was a low-res group shot I put together just to show what I was doing. The original files are hi-res TIF files for printing (individual banners, no black background).

The link from my old Banner thread is long since dead.
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19303
I'll dig through my old files and put the package back together for downloading. I've since recreated some logos and added a few more in vector art format, too.

I'll post here (and the new RCP Banner thread) when its ready for downloading.

Thank you Dusty,

If you have time to work up some custom RCP Banners, that would be great!

John

bobbyz
2009.06.24, 08:03 PM
does anyone know how many kits are needed to outfit a standard mini-96 track with rail liners? these look like they work great btw.

thanks- bob

RCPMini-z
2009.06.24, 08:25 PM
does anyone know how many kits are needed to outfit a standard mini-96 track with rail liners? these look like they work great btw.

thanks- bob

I can answer that. It would take one kit to outfit a standard mini-96. A standard 96 has five 180 degree turns and two 90 degree turns. Each rail liner is 43" long. You can use 5 of them at full length around the 180 degree turns and cut the sixth in half to use on the two 90 degree turns. I hope that makes sense.

One note, the mini-96 rails are 1/2" less in width. The rail liners are perforated for the width of the 50cm rails. You can still use them for 30cm tracks. You just need to bring the out most side of the rail liner snug against the outer side of the foam rail when you make the PIN holes/slots. I will post a picture for those that don't understand.

bobbyz
2009.06.25, 01:49 PM
^^very good to know. thanks john

Dusty Weasle
2009.06.26, 04:43 AM
Here are the sponsor banner files:

http://www.mini-az.com/downloadslogos.html

Some are TIF format, some are AI. The AI files are 'vector art' so you can load at any resolution. The TIF files are 300 pixels tall.

I printed my wall banners 1 inch tall on Avery Ink Jet label paper. That fits perfectly on the rails. The label paper stuck reasonably well on the rails and lasted for many months of use.

Enjoy. ;)

mleemor60
2009.07.12, 11:14 AM
Yesterday we installed our rail liners at our local track. I only purchased two kits as a test to see how we might like them. We started with one section on a wide radius inside curve that is the fastest corner of the track. The results were very good. A low angle impact at full speed would allow the car to continue down the track with a minimum amount of drama. However the higher the angle of impact the more severe the outcome up to and including what can only be described as the big one. Overall the prognosis is excellent.

Yesterday we re-arranged our layout an did more with the liners. I'm sure we aren't using the product as intended but by splitting each piece lengthwise we were able to double the coverage area with what is supplied in each kit. Instead of cutting elongated holes in each piece now you only need to notch the pieces and slide them under the rail. For the inside radius corners we trimmed off one side along the perforation and removed it completely from the main portion of liner. These portions are then pie cut and holed for attachment through the rail pins to secure them. The piece that is trimmed off can be used as a wrap around section for the 180* corners. We are working on a method to secure them to the rails. Servo tape will hold them but repeated impact stresses the tape where it is stuck to the rails and it comes loose. Once that concern is solved we will report.

Once all the liners were installed a group of us proceeded to beat the living daylights out of them to see what the results would be in heavy race traffic. The results indicate that all havoc and mayhem proceeds down track in a somewhat orderly fashion. Bodies with all the kibble hanging off of them are not affected to any where near the issues of hitting where there are no liners. The LM or pan bodies seem to skim off like a bob sled at the Olympics. We found though that the NSX bodies in particular and some of the newer bodies like the Nissan GT-R are more prone to being dislodged from their mounts by slapping the rail. The higher than normal lateral flex of these bodies makes taping a must. If your handling goes away because you have tied the body down then you had better call our friends at Reflex or design your own post mount system. You will need it. We didn't try to run an F-1 car but I bet the texture of the liners will will help them also. I would also like to note that peeling a tire off is a lot less likely also though I wouldn't give up on taping them at least.

We fully intend to completely finish our track with this long overdue product. The reduction in RCP crumbs gouged out of the rails is worth the expense of the liners. Thank you John and RCP for giving us the next evolutionary step.

arch2b
2009.07.12, 12:03 PM
mike,
like your report. can you add picture to help explain them?

i have 1 set of these as well and intended to use them on my mini-96 however i've learned they were not designed for he 30cm rails however can be modified to be compatible. i'll be looking at the best way to do this and share my thoughts/experiences as well.

mleemor60
2009.07.12, 12:21 PM
Arch, as you know I am lacking in skills that would allow me to (A) photograph and (B) do whatever comes next. We took the pieces and cut them in half lengthwise which lets you fold into an L channel as opposed to a U channel. The reduced width after notching to clear the rail pins would make it ideal for the 96 rails.

Something I forgot to mention was that the split pieces withstood being stepped on better than the U shaped pieces. Our conditioning to not step on the track has created the rail walk. As everybody knows this tends to damage the rail pins. The liners in the U channel configuration tend to belly out when stepped down on as opposed to just laying over in the L configuration. With the L shape they can be slid out and re bent then slipped back in without dismantling the rail. We will all have to be retrained to not step on the rail.

I will see if I can get one of our guys with digital capabilities to get some photos up of the finished pieces as we used them.

RCPMini-z
2009.07.12, 01:12 PM
Yesterday we installed our rail liners at our local track. I only purchased two kits as a test to see how we might like them. We started with one section on a wide radius inside curve that is the fastest corner of the track. The results were very good. A low angle impact at full speed would allow the car to continue down the track with a minimum amount of drama. However the higher the angle of impact the more severe the outcome up to and including what can only be described as the big one. Overall the prognosis is excellent.

Yesterday we re-arranged our layout an did more with the liners. I'm sure we aren't using the product as intended but by splitting each piece lengthwise we were able to double the coverage area with what is supplied in each kit. Instead of cutting elongated holes in each piece now you only need to notch the pieces and slide them under the rail. For the inside radius corners we trimmed off one side along the perforation and removed it completely from the main portion of liner. These portions are then pie cut and holed for attachment through the rail pins to secure them. The piece that is trimmed off can be used as a wrap around section for the 180* corners. We are working on a method to secure them to the rails. Servo tape will hold them but repeated impact stresses the tape where it is stuck to the rails and it comes loose. Once that concern is solved we will report.

Once all the liners were installed a group of us proceeded to beat the living daylights out of them to see what the results would be in heavy race traffic. The results indicate that all havoc and mayhem proceeds down track in a somewhat orderly fashion. Bodies with all the kibble hanging off of them are not affected to any where near the issues of hitting where there are no liners. The LM or pan bodies seem to skim off like a bob sled at the Olympics. We found though that the NSX bodies in particular and some of the newer bodies like the Nissan GT-R are more prone to being dislodged from their mounts by slapping the rail. The higher than normal lateral flex of these bodies makes taping a must. If your handling goes away because you have tied the body down then you had better call our friends at Reflex or design your own post mount system. You will need it. We didn't try to run an F-1 car but I bet the texture of the liners will will help them also. I would also like to note that peeling a tire off is a lot less likely also though I wouldn't give up on taping them at least.

We fully intend to completely finish our track with this long overdue product. The reduction in RCP crumbs gouged out of the rails is worth the expense of the liners. Thank you John and RCP for giving us the next evolutionary step.

Thank you for the review and comments. We originally tested the liners with only one vertical face and had issues with the liners coming loose on hard impacts. I wanted a design that would allow the rails to stay on 100% of the time no matter what size or type car hit it.

If you are going to split the liner rail in half long ways. I would suggest running your double sided tape un the underside portion and as near to a rail PIN as possible. Being near the rail PIN will help the tape and liner stay in place with the added pressure of the PIN squeezing down on the rail. You can also run a piec of tape around the rail liner and rail at both ends, but this might look a little ugly unless you use a white or light grey tape.

mleemor60
2009.07.12, 02:21 PM
Thank you John. We never intended to split the liners but opted for maximum coverage for material on hand. We have only tested with a few cars at a time. Not like a regular race night. When we raced on carpet we had some super sticky carpet tape that held the rails in place. We intend to use some of that where needed. We do intend to complete the layout with liners as we can purchase them. Right now we have concentrated on placing them on inside corners and outside straights off the corners to keep the rolling wrecks moving in the direction of traffic. I apologize for misusing the product but the current budget wouldn't allow for a bigger purchase. Again I thank you for your efforts and dedication to this segment of the hobby.

mleemor60
2009.07.20, 10:19 AM
After a night of competition with the liners in position around the track I feel that it is safe to call them a very worthwhile investment. I personally tested them repeatedly with no adverse reactions to my effort. At only one position on the track did we have a concern with the split piece loosening itself from the anchorage and that was at a very fast section of track that turned from three wide down to two in a 90* right hand turn. We secured it with some double sided tape and weren't bothered with it for the rest of the evening. Some larger than normal pile ups occurred during the course of the evening due to the somewhat odd angle that some of the cars came off the walls but they cleared easier as the momentum carries everything in the direction of traffic which helps minimize track blockage.

A truly great addition to the RCP product line. We are looking forward to adding more of it to our track and making sure that we have enough to use with future track changes.

Thank you RCP!!!