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Dudemeister
2009.09.07, 01:14 PM
In another thread I mentioned that the Audley Supra could be modified to to fit a MR-02 chassis.

I had previously purchased a couple of thier Mercedes, Audy and NSX cars. the NSX were the same scale as the Kyosho counterparts, but the Mercedes and Audi DTMs were too long (and wrong scale).

A couple of months back I had a chance to get a couple of their Supras, which turned out to be nearly identical in size to the Kyosho version. They are 94mm wheelbase and can (with a little bit of work) fit an MR-02, or even a MA-010. This thread will show you what mods are needed.

First a few details about the Auldey Supras. The cars are based on the 2005 Supra GT, whereas the Kyoshos were either the 2002 or 2003/2004 models. The body moulding detail is pretty good, and the paintwork and decals are pretty decent as well. The finish is similar to the "Fine Hand Polish", ie. there is not final gloss coat. The only real problems I found on some models was that the decals were applied crooked (but not on the Supras).

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/4%20Suprassm.jpg
(http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/4%20Supras.jpg)
In the picture above you can see a group shot of the Audley Supras next to a couple of beat up Kyosho ones.

The images below show some of the difference in the hood air intake designs. The Woodone is 2003 and the Yellow Hat is 2005

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/2003%20Woodone%20Detailssm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/2003%20Woodone%20Details.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/2005%20Yellow%20Hat%20Detailssm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/2005%20Yellow%20Hat%20Details.jpg)

So, on to the modifications:

First things first...remove the Audley chassis. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can save from it, as it has nothing that is compatible with a Kyosho Mini-z. I did however keep the lighting system as I plan to actually connect it some day. To keep the wires out of the way I taped them to the inside of the roof.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Auldey%20Chassissm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Auldey%20Chassis.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Lighting%20wires%20taped%20downsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Lighting%20wires%20taped%20down.jpg)

One thing Auldey got wrong was the wing. The shape is correct, but they have some kind of stiffener added underneath that spoils the looks. That will have to be removed.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Wing%20Mod%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Wing%20Mod%202.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Wing%20Mod%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Wing%20Mod%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Wing%20Mod%203sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Wing%20Mod%203.jpg)

Continued int the next post...

Dudemeister
2009.09.07, 02:55 PM
...continued form previous post

Before we get into the modding of the car, a little info about weight. I know that some are concerned about weight. I'm happy to report that the Auldey bodies are actually lighter than the Kyosho ones.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Esso_Weightsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Esso_Weight.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Woodone_Weightsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Woodone_Weight.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Eclipse_Weightsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Eclipse_Weight.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/YellowHat_Weightsm.jpg
(http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/YellowHat_Weight.jpg)

Now to the fun stuff.

The Auldey has a completely different mechanism to hold the chassis in, so we'll have to replace it with a mini-z compatible one. If you don't already have a set of side clips and a nose clip, you can buy the VDS set from TinyRC, it only costs 3 or 4 dollars.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/VDS%20clipssm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/VDS%20clips.jpg)

To start thing off, pop off the original body clips, then shave off all the guides except for the back one.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/original%20clips%20removedsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/original%20clips%20removed.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/original%20clips%20mount%20shaved%20offsm.jpg
(http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/original%20clips%20mount%20shaved%20off.jpg)

When that's done, fit the new clips to the mr-02 chassis, the place it inside. After you adjust for the proper ride height (in my case the bottom of the chassis was flush with the bottom of the body), use some glue to tack the clips to the body. You an use a bit CA glue or acrylic cement. When it's dry, remove the Chassis like you normally do from a MR02, the clips shoul stay inside the body. The proceed to reinforce the glue joint. I used Acrylic cement, then re-enforced it with epoxy.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/chassis%20with%20side%20clipssm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/chassis%20with%20side%20clips.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Side%20Clip%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Side%20Clip%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Left%20side%20clip%20installedsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Left%20side%20clip%20installed.jpg)

Next, the nose clip....

boohoo
2009.09.07, 03:00 PM
really good tut so far cant wait for the next part. iam really liking the advan supra i could do with that to complete my collection keep up the good work

Dudemeister
2009.09.07, 04:00 PM
Next is probably the hardest part.

You could do this one of two ways:

The easy way is to remove the Auldey nose locking device, drill 2 holes in the VDS clip to match the existing posts, and screw it down. The drawback is that every time you'll need to remove the body (like when you need to charge the batteries), you'll have to take the screw out, and eventually the plastic post threads will give out. Below is an example of what that would look like

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Screwed%20in%20nose%20clipsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Screwed%20in%20nose%20clip.jpg)

The better (and a bit harder) way is to use the existing lock, and shape the VDS clip to fit it. Here is what the Auldey locking mechanism looks like. What we're trying to achieve is to make a custom piece that will slide between the black base and the white lock.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Nose%20locking%20postsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Nose%20locking%20post.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Nose%20clip%20test%20fitsm.jpg
(http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Nose%20clip%20test%20fit.jpg)

First, sand the bottom of the clip so that the bottom is flush withe the ribs running through (you can see the lighter, sanded areas below). The thickness of the front piece has to be about 1.8-1.9mm thick to fit under the white lock. Next you need to cut a notch in the center of the nose clip. The width of the notch is approximately 8.9mm. Wide enough to fit, but not too wide to allow side to side slop. I also had to shave off about 1mm of the front part so that I can push the whole thing toward the front. This lined up the front wheels perfectly inside the wheel well.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Shaped%20nose%20clip%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Shaped%20nose%20clip%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Shaped%20nose%20clip%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Shaped%20nose%20clip%202.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Nose%20clip%20installedsm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Nose%20clip%20installed.jpg)
http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Underside%20final%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Underside%20final%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Underside%20final%202sm.jpg
(http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Underside%20final%202.jpg)

And here is the final result. Should you want to connect the lights, you should connect the motor output to the front headlights + to + and - to -, while at the same time connect the rear in an opposite manner, + to -, and vice versa. This way, the headlights will light up when you go forward, and the tail lights will light up when you either brake or go backwards.


http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Final%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Final%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Final%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Final%202.jpg)

That's it. Enjoy and good luck with your mods.

color01
2009.09.07, 05:44 PM
Dang dude, I haven't seen such a comprehensive body mod tutorial since the Xmod days. Props to you for figuring out how to fit them on the Z's. :)

So about those Mercedes and Audi bodies, what are their wheelbases? If the Mini-Z chassis can be stretched to accomodate them (a la Reflex 96mm kits) you wouldn't have to throw them out.

addicted
2009.09.07, 06:03 PM
fantastic tutorial, thank you for doing this :)
will try and get a supra body sometime!

Dudemeister
2009.09.07, 07:01 PM
Dang dude, I haven't seen such a comprehensive body mod tutorial since the Xmod days. Props to you for figuring out how to fit them on the Z's. :)

So about those Mercedes and Audi bodies, what are their wheelbases? If the Mini-Z chassis can be stretched to accomodate them (a la Reflex 96mm kits) you wouldn't have to throw them out.

Hey Brian,

Trust me I hardly ever throw anything out. The Mercedes has already been modded and has a MR-015 in it with the lights working. The wheel base is 98mm so that is fairly easy to accomodate. The body does look longer and narrower than the typical Mercedes DTM. Here it is compared to the Weisterner DTM. It appears to be a 2002 DTM CLK, but not quite accurate. If it is a 2002 DTM CLK, then it should be 94mm.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/CLK%20DTM%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/CLK%20DTM%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/CLK%20DTM%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/CLK%20DTM%202.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/CLK%20DTM%203sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/CLK%20DTM%203.jpg)

The Audi is WAAAAY off. The Wheelbase should be 94mm, it's a whopping 108mm!!! While I really like the Castrol look, it's just too much of a whale to be useful.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Audi%20DTM%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Audi%20DTM%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Audi%20DTM%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Audi%20DTM%202.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Audi%20DTM%203sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Audi%20DTM%203.jpg)

And then there's the Citroen C4, and the Honda Civic Type R. These are way too big too. I would say that their scale is 1:24, rather than 1:28. The wheelbase should be 90mm, what you get instead is 102mm. Think about it, a tiny coupe that has the same wheelbase as a NASCAR Chevy or a Porsche 968 LeMans

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Citroen%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Citroen%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Citroen%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Citroen%202.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Citroen%203sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/Citroen%203.jpg)

Cheers.

Dudemeister
2009.09.07, 07:06 PM
fantastic tutorial, thank you for doing this :)
will try and get a supra body sometime!

You're welcome.

This is actually a follow-up to my original comments on your EVO7/Supra Thread. :)

cowboysir
2009.09.07, 08:16 PM
would you say the NSX's would follow a similar program of modification? I went searching and saw they have a Raybrig NSX...that'd be nice.:D

Dudemeister
2009.09.07, 09:46 PM
would you say the NSX's would follow a similar program of modification? I went searching and saw they have a Raybrig NSX...that'd be nice.:D

Interesting you should ask that... Here is the car you're asking about. I had mentioned earlier that one of the problems I found with the Auldeys was the crooked decals. The 3rd picture shows exactly what I'm talking about. Another problem with this particular one is the wing, it's partly deformed, and the right half bends slightly upwards (2nd and 4th pictures).

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%202.jpg)
http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%203sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%203.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%204sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX%204.jpg)

The NSX was the second one I ever did (the CLK DTM was the first). On this one, I ended up building a box in the nose for the clip, but that ended up being more complicated than it needed to be. The technique used on the Supra is simpler, and should work here just as well.

http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%201sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%201.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%202sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%202.jpg)
http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%203sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%203.jpg)http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%204sm.jpg (http://digistealth.com/Public/RC_Cars/Auldey%20Supra/NSX_mod%204.jpg)

Hope this helps :)