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RCPMini-z
2009.09.16, 08:35 AM
Every year I look to design something new for our existing RCP hobby grade tracks. Last year we added the rail protection liners and I am looking to add something new for this year.

Previously we have designed and manufactured some new parts from ideas suggested by our users. If you have some suggestions on new pieces you would like to see, we would like to know.

Feel free to post hear or you can send me an email at tracksales@sbcglobal.net.

Thanks,
John

mk2kompressor
2009.09.16, 08:53 AM
id like the pink parts on 50cm inside corner tiles enlarged so when making a hairpin bend it looks like it has a bulb on the end
:)

chad508
2009.09.16, 09:24 AM
i think something that would allow bankable turns would be nice. rcp doesnt like to be bent to well.

RCPMini-z
2009.09.16, 09:33 AM
RCP Tiles are really quite flexible and can be bent, shaped and sloped quite easily. I have designed and built numerous tracks for Kyosho at trade shows that included bank turns, level transitions and sloped sections. I will pull up some of the pictures and post here.

Manufacturing a bank turn is a little more complicated. We have looked into having foam sections cut, but it was too expensive. We have also looked at producing triangle shaped pieces to set under the turns, but the track needs support every 6 inches. Laying a piece of thin wood or hardboard and wedging it up with some supports, would be best for making the banks.

With that said, I will open discussions back up for a bank turn addition.

RCPMini-z
2009.09.16, 09:34 AM
id like the pink parts on 50cm inside corner tiles enlarged so when making a hairpin bend it looks like it has a bulb on the end
:)

Do you mean a large tear drop looking inside turn? If you could draw a picture that would help.

Old Crow
2009.09.16, 09:47 AM
RCP Tiles are really quite flexible and can be bent, shaped and sloped quite easily. I have designed and built numerous tracks for Kyosho at trade shows that included bank turns, level transitions and sloped sections. I will pull up some of the pictures and post here.

Manufacturing a bank turn is a little more complicated. We have looked into having foam sections cut, but it was too expensive. We have also looked at producing triangle shaped pieces to set under the turns, but the track needs support every 6 inches. Laying a piece of thin wood or hardboard and wedging it up with some supports, would be best for making the banks.

With that said, I will open discussions back up for a bank turn addition.

Well that's disapointing, but I'm glad you looked into it. My suggestion was going to be pieces for changing elevation, under and over passes, etc. A kit, or separate purchase. It would need to be somewhat easy to use, and transportable. I feel that should be one of the next innovations with Mini-z racing, changing elevations, but with out a standard, it could be harder to setup events widespread. I'd encourage you to keep trying, but maybe I'm in the minority.

mk2kompressor
2009.09.16, 11:03 AM
Do you mean a large tear drop looking inside turn? If you could draw a picture that would help.

exactly that,it would force a slightly different line through the corner and make another interesting feature to a layout:)

JuniorWKR
2009.09.16, 11:07 AM
i would like to see more things made outta rcp geared towards the monster overland and losi microt... we race these classes every sat at our lhs and right now are making our own jumps and sections outta old pieces of track... it would be nice to see something made that can be easily intergrated with an existing track...

RCPMini-z
2009.09.16, 11:55 AM
exactly that,it would force a slightly different line through the corner and make another interesting feature to a layout:)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2706/teardropinsideturnl.jpg

We could do something like this. You could turn the rail over and use it either way. We could also do it in a different color, such as green.

This would be a good piece to have an RCP rail liner installed as the cars would hit the rail and slide off on angled impacts. It might be a piece that would receive a lot of impacts and the rail liner would help protect the rail as well.

John

mk2kompressor
2009.09.16, 12:25 PM
thats what i was on about:)
it would make it so different racing line-wise:eek:

chad508
2009.09.16, 12:41 PM
how about something like we use on our track. they are 12" round dots that our track owner hrdrvr made out of plywood. they work great but can be hell on cars. he even made wide radius sections. something like that made out of rcp would be nice. i'll try to get some pics for you to look at.

mleemor60
2009.09.16, 05:51 PM
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2706/teardropinsideturnl.jpg

We could do something like this. You could turn the rail over and use it either way. We could also do it in a different color, such as green.

This would be a good piece to have an RCP rail liner installed as the cars would hit the rail and slide off on angled impacts. It might be a piece that would receive a lot of impacts and the rail liner would help protect the rail as well.

John

These would be great pieces. Just make them connect to both rails to stabilize them. We are currently taking 4 of the little pink 90* pieces and connecting them into a full 360* and adding it to the end of a hairpin to increase the slowdown. We are securing it with rail liner and double sided carpet tape.

Draconious
2009.09.16, 08:45 PM
Elevation changes... seem to spice things up on some tracks.

Something "standard" so it could be used in Hfay... would have to be aligned to the track some how so they were all in the same place.

I picture it being put under the track to make ups and downs... even if its just a short hill that goes up and back down within 2 or 3 tile lengths. It could be made out of XXXX cross aligned cardboard or plastic, so it can fold up flat. This would be good for overlands and monsters too.

Or to allow people to step on it with out completely smashing it, a solid block of rcp foam?!

Maybe something inflateable? lol...




Those red/white curbs someone made for rcp was somethign I liked a lot, something for the eye to see and avoid and if you go beyond it then you got a little fudge room to the rail.



Keep the ideas flowing people, having your idea show up in the RCP product line is very cool!!! They used my 45 degree pattern for the Mini-Tiles!

PridgeoK
2009.09.29, 09:25 PM
I've been playing around with the track a little in sketchup and kind of like the idea of a 30 degree angle to mess up the track a bit. Obviously, I lack the math to really make it work well - you can see my test track doesn't mesh right when I tried joining it up. LOL! Some fine-tuning is required, for sure. Could make for some interesting track angles instead of the standard 45/90/180 corners. These are based on the mini-96 template, but would work equally well with the wide format track.

How about rolls of RCP with no puzzle joins whatsoever? It'd be pretty cool to have a strip of like 25' by 4'wide of true-blue RCP foam! Or even have the join strip on the sides like I drew in the attachment.

Kev.

arch2b
2009.09.29, 09:37 PM
on tinyrc, i suggested day glow start/finish lines for night simulation racing.

you could take it farther and do day glow rails or rail liners so that the entire track profile would glow.

RCPMini-z
2009.09.29, 09:50 PM
I've been playing around with the track a little in sketchup and kind of like the idea of a 30 degree angle to mess up the track a bit. Obviously, I lack the math to really make it work well - you can see my test track doesn't mesh right when I tried joining it up. LOL! Some fine-tuning is required, for sure. Could make for some interesting track angles instead of the standard 45/90/180 corners. These are based on the mini-96 template, but would work equally well with the wide format track.

How about rolls of RCP with no puzzle joins whatsoever? It'd be pretty cool to have a strip of like 25' by 4'wide of true-blue RCP foam! Or even have the join strip on the sides like I drew in the attachment.

Kev.

drac has drawn up some rcp designs using 30 and 15 degree transitions. I believe he used small straight sections to make everything line up when going full circle. Maybe he can post up some of the drawings.

Draconious
2009.09.29, 11:50 PM
My 30 degree set for 50cm tiles was shown in this older rcp thread.
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26246&highlight=rcp+degree

If I recall correctly it was really 22.5 like slot cars use for half of a 45 curve.

It was concieved to theoritically allow some of the existing sets to be phased out and obsolete... things like
wide curves,
the angled 45 set,
chicanes, etc...

It also allowed lots of curvy track layouts, and gives somethign more than the typical 90 and 180 degree turns... and when you put a straight in every other section it can make a super sized curve.

The 5 sections of 10cm straight to make a full 50cm square, was the filler section set. Relying on the flex in the track to take up anything less than 10cm


If your thinking about doing these, I could get back to work on the CAD file I had... it was a special file for my RCP track builder set for autocad... I should still have it.

PridgeoK
2009.09.30, 12:15 AM
Ya - probably not the most practical design for a timing bridge... but I was playing with bridge building for the infrared lap counter I have and thought that fitting something to the RCP screw-holes and using them as anchors would be a good way to fit it to the track without using so much real-estate like I currently do with my wooden bridge. Since I made the RCP template, it was an easy jump from there over to using some RCP rails as the bridge pieces, so here's what I came up with (see the images).

Basically, it's just standard rail pieces with a hole bored through the center for the cables to fit through... some inset cut-outs for the timer sensors to fit in, and some supports fit to the screw holes somehow.

I'll probably re-do this with some corner pieces instead of the straights to try to get that rounded bridge look, which might be good for reducing those extra-lap-reads on the lane next to where the bridge is set up. Similar idea to what Reflex did with their tire bridge, but with RCP corners.

The modularity of RCP would let the bridge expand to extra lanes simply by putting in another straight bridge piece in there, as long as the thing could somehow stands upright just with the RCP rail joins.

Might work! Might be more expensive than using some cheap wood... but hey - it was fun designing it nonetheless! ;)

Kev.

PridgeoK
2009.09.30, 01:51 AM
Right! I remember that thread. Those diagrams must have been where the idea sparked for me to try out in Sketchup - props for that concept to Drac, for sure! :cool:


I tackled the RCP corner rail bridge idea pretty quickly, so it isn't extremely well done, but you can get the idea of what I was trying. And it actually looks like it would work really well... I mean... if you can figure out how to bore a hole in it for cabling without making it look too nasty. For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get a curved hole drawn through the piece in Sketchup (maybe the pro version might be easier or I'm just going at it the wrong way)... But ya - the corner pieces look like they could work really well as a bridge in my opinion!

Kev.

Draconious
2009.09.30, 07:29 PM
I could not find my file with the 22.5 degree for 50cm, but I did find the file with the 30 degree sections for 30cm if you need them... I forget what all the resonaing was behind the 30 vs 22.5 choices. But I currently believe 22.5 might be the better way to go, since it also doubles up as better 45 degree tracks... after all, the slot car companies have been useing 22.5 for years.


While I had no interenet access for most of the day today, I re drew this...
http://s88452779.onlinehome.us/Misc/22-5Curves.jpg

PridgeoK
2009.10.03, 09:34 PM
Tinkered a bit with the idea of some obstacles that attach to the walls of the RCP... not sure whether it'd be just as easy to do this with some small cones like people use for protecting the 90* corners, but made out of RCP it would be consistent material and would probably be easy to make. Would have to think of a better bracket idea to attach them to the rail screws maybe - I just thought this would be something to help them remain stationary after a car bails into them.

Also found out that the RCP corner bridge idea plus an extra straight rail is basically a perfect fit for a 3-tile-wide infrared bridge, at least with the mini-96 the sizes look almost ideal. Not sure if the wide 50cm track would be quite as easy to make fit. Even if you don't use this idea, I might need to buy some extra corner rails and give this a whirl myself. ;)

Kev.

EMU
2009.10.04, 03:45 AM
I would like to see runoffs for the straights. A high grip outide border that can be slightly wider than the normal rail (plastic outer wall so you can glide on it, and goes over the retention hole... slight bank, with high grip surface). I can draw out a simple diagram in MSpaint if you need, but right now its a little late. The rail pins would have to be attached from the bottom and the rumble strip/runoff could be designed for a minimum of two or three tile lengths. It would be a way to slightly widen some 2 tile sections and shouldnt protrude more than what the standard border would...

Also, if you incorporate the type of bumps that PridgeoK drew up...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28231&d=1254623259 Rather than use them as obstacles, use them for rumble strips on the inside of corners. So that you are less likely to line up to hit the inside of the corner. At less of an angle of course. Just a couple inches oustide of the corner...