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CristianTabush
2009.09.23, 01:47 PM
Well, the first picture is ready. :)
I know it's a bit late, and the 03 is just around the corner. We are doing a smaller production run than typical, but that should still be able to get a WTF to anyone who wants one.

http://www.reflexracing.net/prodimages/images/wtf2_01.jpg

New features:

-4 degrees of caster incorporated into the design. This increases high speed steering as well as mid to exit "on-power" Steering.
-0.5 degrees of camber to reduce king pin stiction. By having the kingpin slightly angled, the knuckle now slides up and down much smoother on the kingpin.
-Set-screw retained kingpins. No more using plastic C clips on the kingpins. We have incorporated a set screw on the lower bar to capture the kingpin. This also enables the front negative offset wheels to have more clearance when using cambered knuckles.
-Increased clearance on the upper bar: We removed material form the outside of the upper bar in order to get extra clearance with negative offset wheels. This allow you to ensure that you are getting the minimum amount of scrub on ANY Mini-Z Front end to date.
-Optional Tie Rods: The set now comes with a 0 degree bar along with a 1 degree toe out bar. Toe out increases aggressiveness of the car going into the corners, allowing for even quicker response.
-0.5mm narrower on each side: This increases the versatility of the car. Now you are actually using 0.5 increment wheels. +1 becomes 2.5 (instead of 3 like previously), +0 becomes 1.5, -1 becomes 0.5. By doing this we increased the available rear width-to front width ratio of the chassis. This also leads to increased steering response, with more precise handling.

CristianTabush
2009.09.23, 01:51 PM
BTW, colors available will be blue, black and titanium...

chad508
2009.09.23, 02:01 PM
when can i order? are doing a pre order with this as well? also what size is the set screw? i know a bunch of ? sorry

Traveler
2009.09.23, 02:11 PM
Do you have a price yet?

Ton
2009.09.23, 02:36 PM
:eek::eek::eek:

It is cool,I like it.


Best regards from Spain.

CristianTabush
2009.09.23, 02:41 PM
Right now it has a flat head 2mm set screw. It can use the PN 2mm set screw that come with their pinions, front end, etc...

Price will be like 30-32 dollars, so a couple of extra dollars cheaper with a bunch of extra features, including an extra tie rod ;)

Will I do a pre-order? Yes. I will get it done by the end of the week, once I get confirmation from the factory on the color availability. What do you guys think of the colors?

Should I do silver instead of black or titanium? What colors would you like to see?

Traveler
2009.09.23, 02:45 PM
Sounds great! As for colors, how about trying to match some of the QteQ colors?

chad508
2009.09.23, 02:52 PM
Sounds great! As for colors, how about trying to match some of the QteQ colors?

i agree. i personally like tt, silver. im not much for the blue. i think the gold thats on the qteq parts would be different from everyone else. i know a good match might be hard to do though.

MikeL
2009.09.23, 02:59 PM
Looks good CT!

Ton
2009.09.23, 02:59 PM
Personally I like silver very much.

CristianTabush
2009.09.23, 03:17 PM
I am doing blue, just because Statistically it sell better than all the others. I was thinking along the lines of the QteQ stuff, matching as many colors as is possible. If this is the case, I might go for all 5! :P The gold is a little bit less orange than the QteQ stuff, but close enough. Blue is identical to Kyosho , Titanium too. Nobody like the black?

mk2kompressor
2009.09.23, 03:20 PM
if you are pre-ordering id like to add some to my order we discussed,im almost ready for it:)

CristianTabush
2009.09.23, 03:24 PM
No problem Matt, I will let you know as soon as I find out about the colors. I should know by tomorrow or the day after. More information will follow soon. What colors would you be interested in?

MikeL
2009.09.23, 03:27 PM
I love the matte black personally.

Tjay
2009.09.23, 04:02 PM
CT: Will there be a comparison test/review between WTF2 and PN A-Arm? I'd love to see the results on the two.

Congrats on you guys new v2 product!

CristianTabush
2009.09.23, 04:12 PM
I can make a comparison, and actually, it is what I am doing next weekend, as I am building two nearly identical MR-02's except for front end. They will be tested on the 350Z, which is where I have had the most difficulty getting the regular front and the WTF to run as quick as the double A-Arm System.

Again, I do not intend to say that this works better than the PN arm system or vice-versa. It is just different.

The WTF is meant to make bigger bodies, which are easier to drive, since they are bigger, more responsive. A lot of the new bodies are so wide, that the benefits of the double A-arm design are hindered by the wide scrub radius that you are forced to run with the bodies. Our ideal idea would be a wider double a-arm set... We are just not there yet with our business to warrant spending that much money on a project.

What is to be expected from the Wide Track:
-More consistent fast laps with bigger bodies/ Pan Cars, this does not mean faster overall laps, just more precise driving characteristics that make the car feel "easier" to drive. This in turn leads to more consistency.
-Higher stability on High Grip Surfaces
-Higher stability at High Speed
-Increased On-Power Steering over V1
-Increased Initial Steering over V1
-Increased High Speed Steering over V1

mk2kompressor
2009.09.23, 04:37 PM
No problem Matt, I will let you know as soon as I find out about the colors. I should know by tomorrow or the day after. More information will follow soon. What colors would you be interested in?

blue,black,red and gold would be cool:)

Rune
2009.09.23, 05:54 PM
Looks very good. Cant wait to try it out.

As for the characteristics on the WTF (V1), the thing is that is works so incredibly good on high grip surfaces
The WTF still holds all the records on both our tracks regarding lap time and number of laps, and this is because of reduced scrub, and stability/ driveability.

Essentially what we have experienced is that it is quicker all over than any other front end on regupol.

Rune
2009.09.23, 05:55 PM
Oh, and Black and Gold are my preferences.

CristianTabush
2009.09.23, 10:37 PM
It seems as we will have 3 colors, as were initially intended. The colors will be changed a bit though.
We will have:
-Blue
-Silver
-Titanium

I could do another color, and I am on the fence for gold, but it is hard to warrant any other color when no motor mounts, knuckles, etc are available. I don't want to be stuck with a color that simply does not move...

damonlam15
2009.09.24, 03:08 AM
WELL, I ALWAYS WISH THERE WOULD BE SOME ONE MANUFACTURING THE OPTION PARTS IN TITANIUM WHITE:cool:

BY THE WAY, CT, DO YOU GOT ANY PLAN FOR THE OPTION PARTS ON MR-03?

chad508
2009.09.24, 06:14 AM
3racing makes gold knuckles dont they?

dvsstrike
2009.09.24, 06:26 AM
i prefer the matte blabk myself. i like that my car will stand out from the rest and everyone will know what parts i have on it. say you go to race and have the body off and someone sees it. every one will know it is a Reflex car with the side dampner to the front end and etc. no orange or blue anywhere.

MantisMMA
2009.09.24, 09:24 AM
It seems as we will have 3 colors, as were initially intended. The colors will be changed a bit though.
We will have:
-Blue
-Silver
-Titanium

I could do another color, and I am on the fence for gold, but it is hard to warrant any other color when no motor mounts, knuckles, etc are available. I don't want to be stuck with a color that simply does not move...


i personally like the gold but i dont think it will move very well either but i do think you should add the black though.

J-Milz
2009.09.24, 10:01 AM
The new MR03 would look sick with the "Monster" green parts. New cars, new colors!

chad508
2009.09.24, 10:34 AM
now i would go for green. i would love to see some green parts start to show up.

yasuji
2009.09.24, 10:42 AM
It seems as we will have 3 colors, as were initially intended. The colors will be changed a bit though.
We will have:
-Blue
-Silver
-Titanium

I could do another color, and I am on the fence for gold, but it is hard to warrant any other color when no motor mounts, knuckles, etc are available. I don't want to be stuck with a color that simply does not move...

ct.....new stuff is cool.....as for color....i dont know what color to call it but all factory/werks parts for racing comes in that hard anodize color.. like a flat brown.....it looks awesome;)

CristianTabush
2009.09.24, 12:56 PM
Thanks for your input guys.

Unfortunately, they don't have black in their available anodization colors, but we will have the titanium color and we also added a small batch of Gold. A lot of people on here mentioned gold so last minute I went ahead and asked for some.

So we will have:
-Gold
-Titanium
-Blue
-Silver

Price will be set at $32.00 for a set. It will come with 2 tie rods: a 0 degree and a 1 degree Toe out.

Yes we do plan on making parts for the MR-03, going forward, I believe the gold and titanium could be a very good look for that platform.

Hard anodization would be good. The only problem is the fact that depending on the type of aluminum, is the color it comes out. This might lead to VERY different hues of anodization (from orangey brown like the PN is, all the way to a military green like Team Associated used to be back in the day.) It is a great idea when dealing with certain parts like the shaft which allow it to be much harder than if it was just regular aluminum.

pfcparts
2009.09.24, 02:15 PM
Blue and silver are too generic. I really liked
the matte black. Gold is too flashy unless
you can get it to that shiny bronzish square
wheel hue.

You guys should go for something unique.

I'd vote lime green or a deep purple. :D

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Any weight savings from the previous version?

Looks like you'll still be able to use c clips right?

I don't like messing with set screws especially
at this scale...


parts

CristianTabush
2009.09.24, 02:31 PM
Yes blue and silver are generic, but from its own definition, this means it reaches the most customers. The market is what it is and blue is by far the most popular color out there.

The matte black is cool, but not available, which is a bummer. Titanium should be a good equivalent of a color that matches with most anything. It is also the color I would like people to associate with reflex. Grey is my favorite color I think. :P

The gold looks surprisingly good. It is not shiny and very similar to the Kyosho and QteQ gold. It should match with silver accents really nicely on a car. Mybe even like Yellow top Covers...

Green is cool, but it is one of those colors that matches with very few things. With the current chassis and parts colors out there, it would clash way too much. With the '03, being all black, color combinations can be easily matched to it, so green might be an option in the future...

Purple, for some reason I really do not like, so slim chance of that going through, sorry. Also so hard to match... :(

Until we don't have the capability of producing a FULL line of Z products, I rather stay closer to the "generic" colors so that the parts don't "clash" on people's cars. In the future, this can be changed though. :) Blue and Silver will probably always be there and the Titanium and Gold are very likely to be included as well. One of the greatest things about this new factory we are dealing with is that they are willing to produce any colors available in an order. If I want 10 different, I can make 10, so long as they have the anodization color available.

Weight savings... I have not really even checked. I need to get a more precise gram scale. We were not really looking to reduce weight though...

Yes, you will still be able to use regular c-clips, although once you see the set screw, you might change your mind. It is so awesome to loosen up the screw and drop the kingpin out. Once you are ready to install, you just slide the pin back in and tighten the screw, it's really nice... :)

Felix2010
2009.09.24, 08:34 PM
Personally, I love the new design. The new specs look great too. Nice job CT. Looking forward to the release.

HaCo
2009.09.25, 10:12 AM
Would love to see more gold parts for the Mini-Z chassis, certainly when the Mr-03 is plain black...