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herman
2010.01.25, 09:33 AM
2010 version
http://www.kyosho.com/common/image.php?id=120320

... compared to the 10th anniversary version
http://www.kyosho.com/common/image.php?id=117199

some details...
looks like a new damper system...
http://www.kyosho.com/common/image.php?id=120312

http://www.kyosho.com/common/image.php?id=120313

http://www.kyosho.com/common/image.php?id=120317
transrashun - "FET 2-fold compared with standard-capacity machine, and ESC, the speed increased 130 percent control (KT-18 transmitter) unit of RA-18F employs."

hmm... speed increased 130 percent control??? anybody get what this means?

mk2kompressor
2010.01.25, 11:49 AM
nice find,i prefer the black alloy parts over the red too:)

briankstan
2010.01.25, 11:53 AM
the damper looks interesting. I hope they are available individually.

EMU
2010.01.25, 04:59 PM
I want that damper, looks like it should work well with the PN mount...

Good find, also comes with carbon side plates. If it comes with bearings, and the same tires... you really only need the body to finish the car off...

color01
2010.01.25, 10:06 PM
If that damper works the way I think it does, Kyosho just opened up a WHOLE new can of worms -- all you'd have to do is add another pair of damper springs, and you'd be able to adjust roll and bump damping almost independently, taking away the advantage of using damper tubes. I think we can look forward to seeing something similar come out for our beloved MR-platform Mini-Z's. :)

herman
2010.01.26, 02:34 AM
can anybody translate the caption in the first pic which contains the number 1,000?
wondering if it means - limited to a 1,000 piece run?

color01
2010.01.26, 05:13 AM
Yes herman, that's exactly what it says. ;)

herman
2010.01.26, 10:10 PM
dang... :eek::(:eek:

arch2b
2010.01.27, 12:26 PM
i just want the damper. i have the previous 2.4 chassis already.

EMU
2010.01.27, 12:34 PM
Im with you on that Arch... While I want the new chassis set, realistically, the only thing I really need is the damper. I have 4 F1 chassis' already...

Cherub1m
2010.01.27, 12:53 PM
i just want the damper. i have the previous 2.4 chassis already.

Im with you on that Arch... While I want the new chassis set, realistically, the only thing I really need is the damper. I have 4 F1 chassis' already...

Same here. I want that damper system :D.

herman
2010.01.27, 09:09 PM
anybody know if the damper will be sold seperately? already wondering how it will perform...

looking at the two versions, i think the 2010 is the better package... plus the annodized parts in black make it look more....
er ''stealthy'' ... :D

RussF
2010.01.28, 06:00 PM
I like the damper as well but I really like the metal bridge thing the damper is connected to. I had to cut mine out myself and think a custom fit one would be nice. Good find herman!!

herman
2010.02.02, 03:47 AM
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/parts_images/MFW16.jpg
hey guys... good news... looks like damper will be offered after all...
part No.MFW16 - yen 2,940 feb 2010 (from kyosho website)

hilldebrandt
2010.02.02, 08:35 PM
^^AWESOME !!
Can't wait to get that part...

Thanks Herman !

hobbycar
2010.02.02, 09:02 PM
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/rc/parts_images/MFW16.jpg
hey guys... good news... looks like damper will be offered after all...
part No.MFW16 - yen 2,940 feb 2010 (from kyosho website)

I too will be looking for that F1 damper set :D

-hobbycar

ocean rodeo
2010.02.03, 09:50 PM
When will this be released? I missed the anniversary edition.

LadyFox_VT24
2010.02.04, 02:14 PM
Nice! Can't wait to get one also!

ocean rodeo
2010.02.08, 06:42 PM
Release date?

ChiefGreenLeaf
2010.02.10, 12:08 PM
End of the month.

tdmr02
2010.03.08, 11:22 PM
Did Kyosho set a "firm" release date in the States?

Mrs Mini-Z
2010.03.15, 10:15 AM
Did Kyosho set a "firm" release date in the States?

Great news!!! - the new SP2 Carbon Limited F1 Mini-Z's (http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=20532) are on their way to our warehouse and should be here mid-week. We have them listed in the shop for pre-order (http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=20532) right now! :D

arch2b
2010.03.15, 10:49 AM
VERY tempted to pick one of these up... if i had not bought the sp1 with red anodized parts, i would get one of these in a heartbeat. not even sure i would open it up given it's limited to 1000 units. ah, i know i would :)

i'll be waiting for the friction damper kit with high anticipation though.

Davey G
2010.03.15, 12:13 PM
Definitly not a make or break deal but it also comes with the good kingpins.

EMU
2010.03.15, 05:15 PM
The friction damper sold out at my Japan source the first day. :( I couldnt even get one.

mk2kompressor
2010.03.15, 05:27 PM
uk wont get them for at least another month:(

arch2b
2010.03.28, 06:02 PM
fyi, we have a few of the friction dampers (http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=20554) in stock:eek: be sure to pick yours up quickly.


there are plenty of the sp2 kits (http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=20532&cat=410&page=1) as well.

arch2b
2010.03.28, 08:45 PM
i just placed my order for 1 of the friction dampers. i'll post what pictures i can, etc. as soon as it arrives.

herman
2010.03.28, 11:18 PM
dang... don't forget to post a review as well... :D

EMU
2010.03.28, 11:37 PM
Doh, already sold out!!! Looks like I missed it again :(

It looks like it should be compatable with the PN mount, as long as the PN mount has the same mounting height as the stock mount with heatsink (im guessing it does, or may be even shorter).

chad508
2010.03.29, 06:52 AM
i had just order one from egr last thursday. i will also post pics installed on a atomic pod when it arrives later this week.

briankstan
2010.03.31, 07:20 PM
Got my new F1 damper today. I've installed it and will post pictures a little later tonight. :)

Note: if installing with PN mount you will need to do a few minor things to get it to work.

I had to sand of the bottom of where the antenna mounts and then I put the damper piece below and screwed in from the bottom. if you don't do this it won't sit at the right angle and will bind. you also will need a long machine screw than the ones that comes with it.

I've done a few test laps with it tonight and so far so good. We are racing tomorrow so I'll have a better report after the race.

Traveler
2010.03.31, 07:47 PM
Detailed pictures would be great! I just got my first F1 (the SP2 Carbon Ltd) which comes with the new damper system and the PN F1 mount is on the way. Interested in seeing what you had to do to get the proper fit.

ocean rodeo
2010.03.31, 07:49 PM
I thought the SP2 comes with an aluminum mount?

Traveler
2010.03.31, 07:51 PM
What Kyosho calls an aluminum motor mount is really a heat sink. The actual motor pod is stock plastic :(

ocean rodeo
2010.03.31, 07:56 PM
Really!! man that stinks. 250 is way to much for that kit now.

briankstan
2010.03.31, 10:57 PM
Ok, here are the pictures as promised. so as you can see, I mounted the carbon fiber disk under the metal cross piece (included in kit). there were no issued with clearance from under it, it might be a problem if you have stacked fets though. As you can see in the second pictures it's got a slight slope down, this will depend on how you have you springs set (how much you screw down the screw). it's probably a good idea to use some lock tight on the screws as well.

The spring mount on the PN motor mount is quite a bit lower than the mount on the stock mount. The way the instruction read the spring would go in the screw hole on the top of the heatsink mount on the stock motor mount. so the is where the difference in height comes from.


So far I've tested for about 10 minutes and it handles very well. More info to come after our race tomorrow.

click on the first pictures to go go my gallery, there are high res picters in the galler, just click them to blow them up. :)

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_31_03_10_8_50_06_2.JPG (http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=174;u=1) http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_31_03_10_8_50_07_3.JPG http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_31_03_10_8_47_51_0.JPG

Racer-HH
2010.04.01, 05:16 AM
Thanks for your installation report. Please deliver an on-track-handling-report asap as I expect my delivery soon. :D

Can you please tell me, which body you use with the damper? Kyosho says it only works with the 2006 Ferrari and the latest McLaren bodies.

Racer

Traveler
2010.04.01, 05:54 AM
Nice pictures! Thanks! Can't wait for my PN mount to arrive!

briankstan
2010.04.01, 07:23 AM
Thanks for your installation report. Please deliver an on-track-handling-report asap as I expect my delivery soon. :D

Can you please tell me, which body you use with the damper? Kyosho says it only works with the 2006 Ferrari and the latest McLaren bodies.

Racer

I am using the latest Mclaren body, I don't see why it wouldn't clear the other bodies. I'll report back later after our race tonight.

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_31_03_10_8_50_07_4.JPG

Nice pictures! Thanks! Can't wait for my PN mount to arrive!

thanks.

mleemor60
2010.04.01, 08:04 AM
Nice pictures! Thanks! Can't wait for my PN mount to arrive!

Already in stock at the shop.

RussF
2010.04.01, 09:55 AM
Great. Thats all we need is the fastest guy in the club getting even faster. :p

Just kidding, looks good Brian. It will be nice to see it up close. I like that new metal bridge, I had to custom file mine to fit with the 2.4 board and it still isnt that great :mad: .

EMU
2010.04.01, 11:33 AM
Think what you want to think Ocean, but the car is as race ready as ANY Mini-Z has ever come out of the factory. I have raced against the old Limited Edition without any work to the car, and it was a close work, this may be able to drop on the the track and win races... If you think about the parts that are on the car...

1. DDS, $40
2. Tires $10
3. bearings $20
4. ball diff, $40
5. SS kingpins, $10
6. Alu Heatsink, $10
7. CF sideplates $17

Without all of the upgrades, it would be about a $100 chassis set, which sounds about right. Also, remember that this is a limited edition chassis as well. Which usually drives the demand up as well. After 1000 units, you cannot get it anymore.

Thanks for the pics Brian. With the way you have it mounted on the bottom of the antenna mount, it looks like it will clear just about every body... The stock way, you may have to shave out some of the older bodies.

Mrs Mini-Z
2010.04.01, 12:01 PM
Already in stock at the shop.

The F1 chassis set (http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=20532&cat=0&page=1&featured) is indeed in stock (http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=20532&cat=0&page=1&featured) at the shop and ready to ship today along with lots of F1 bodies (http://shop.tinyrc.com/search.php?mode=search&substring=mfb&including=all&by_title=on&by_shortdescr=on&by_fulldescr=on&by_sku=on) and re-stocked parts (http://shop.tinyrc.com/home.php?cat=409). :)

Getting a new F1 Chassis set (http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=20532&cat=0&page=1&featured) also qualifies you for our new Mystery Body for $0.01 (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34126)!

Sorry for the interruption - we now return you to your regularly scheduled forum thread :)

arch2b
2010.04.02, 07:11 PM
brian, i found a way to shim the rear spring on the pn arm, use the antenna holder spacer included in kit;)

mounting the cf plate to the top of the bridge as instructed with this shim and a longer machine screw (real key to the trick) makes the plate nice and level.

arch2b
2010.04.02, 07:19 PM
in this configuration, the plate comes damn close to hitting the body (mp4) but the spring/shaft moves freely.

briankstan
2010.04.02, 07:30 PM
yes, I did consider mounting it that way originally, I probably should have mentioned it. I do like the idea of having it sit lower and I don't have any clearance issued at all with fitting it under the body. I'll have to pop on one of the other bodies to see how it clears.

We ran several F1 races last night and all I have to say is WOW!!, Usually I have to be pretty conservative with my throttle especially coming out of the corners. I noticed that with this mound I had alot more rear traction and could be very aggressive on the throttle without braking traction.

I'm very impressed with it and I'm very glad I purchased it. We first started the night with everyone changing tires and setup to find rear traction, I put the car on the track with with worn out tires that I had on it and it was perfect.

this Damper is Highly recommended in my books. Great Design Kyosho !!

arch2b
2010.04.02, 07:35 PM
yeah, i noticed that the kit specifically lists 3 bodies that are compatible. i'm sure with it mounted in a lower position it would fit some of the older bodies provided the rear is not pinched tighter than the width of the damped plate.

briankstan
2010.04.02, 07:38 PM
yeah, i noticed that the kit specifically lists 3 bodies that are compatible. i'm sure with it mounted in a lower position it would fit some of the older bodies provided the rear is not pinched tighter than the width of the damped plate.

agreed, how you driven the F1 on the track yet?

arch2b
2010.04.02, 07:43 PM
not yet. i had an 60hr week and got home tonight and i just needed to tinker with something so i brought up your post and put it together. i'm going to eat dinner, watch a movie and go to sleep for 10 hours or so :) i'm taking the kids to a ballgame tomorrow so maybe sunday i'll get some track time.

briankstan
2010.04.02, 07:44 PM
I just put on my Toyota Panisonic body, it seems to fit just fine. might want to remove just a little bit of plastic on the inside of the body, but you definately wouldn't have to cut a hole all the way through , a little sanding on the inside is all you would need.

just going by the feel it doesn't seem to be binding or hitting just in stock form. :)

briankstan
2010.04.02, 07:46 PM
yeah, i noticed that the kit specifically lists 3 bodies that are compatible. i'm sure with it mounted in a lower position it would fit some of the older bodies provided the rear is not pinched tighter than the width of the damped plate.

go get some rest and have fun with the family, Chime in when you get the chance to test it out. :cool:

arch2b
2010.04.02, 07:48 PM
opps, sorry. i did not mention the hole in my body was for motor wires. the hole just happened to be in that spot that was perfect for taking that picture.

Traveler
2010.04.02, 07:50 PM
yes, I did consider mounting it that way originally, I probably should have mentioned it. I do like the idea of having it sit lower and I don't have any clearance issued at all with fitting it under the body. I'll have to pop on one of the other bodies to see how it clears.

We ran several F1 races last night and all I have to say is WOW!!, Usually I have to be pretty conservative with my throttle especially coming out of the corners. I noticed that with this mound I had alot more rear traction and could be very aggressive on the throttle without braking traction.

I'm very impressed with it and I'm very glad I purchased it. We first started the night with everyone changing tires and setup to find rear traction, I put the car on the track with with worn out tires that I had on it and it was perfect.

this Damper is Highly recommended in my books. Great Design Kyosho !!

What an endorsement! Curious if you preped it at all. Sanded the plates, lubed? Anything? Thanks again!

briankstan
2010.04.02, 07:52 PM
opps, sorry. i did not mention the hole in my body was for motor wires. the hole just happened to be in that spot that was perfect for taking that picture.

your running the newest Mclaren body, correct? Which is one of the ones specified to work, the Toyota body (older F1) fits much lower in the back. the damper plate actully touches the bottom of the body, but the post still has full motion.

briankstan
2010.04.02, 07:54 PM
What an endorsement! Curious if you preped it at all. Sanded the plates, lubed? Anything? Thanks again!

I did prep the plates and the CF disks. I sanded them smooth with 2000 grit sand paper and made sure to remove any rough spots that would catch. it's very smooth.

I typically run my damper dry so I didn't use any lube.

Racer-HH
2010.04.03, 05:04 AM
I noticed that with this mound I had alot more rear traction and could be very aggressive on the throttle without braking traction.

Thanks for this info. Finally a F1 setup with rear traction! Right now I am really hyped up and can't await the arrival of my delivery.

As for the body. Thanks for the info. I hope I will find a way to keep my EJ11 body running, too.

Racer

onrailz
2010.04.11, 08:38 PM
I had a Kyosho F1 when they were first released. It was so cool looking! Unfortunately it never ran as cool as it looked. The car had this strange hook to it. Every car I ever drove had the same problem.
The guys at my local track have stuck with the F1 and it has been getting harder and harder to watch and not join in the class again!
In an attempt to read my mind, Kyosho has released this 2.4 SP2 Carbon F1. It was a sign that this was the perfect time to give it another try. I figured that with a limited 1,000 piece run, even if it turned out to not be what I expected- I'd have no trouble selling it.
After the first drive (last night), selling it is now the furthest thing from my mind! This chassis is absolutely DIALED! The hook was completely gone. This F1 is fast, precise and loaded with every must have hop-up I would have started with anyway! By the end of qualifying I had set TQ and continued on to win the main at the end of the night... RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!!!
There are a few pieces I'd like to add like an aluminum motor mount. There is an included heat sink but the motor still gets pretty hot by the end of our 8 minute mains. I think I'll go for more of an open air style mount like this one http://shop.tinyrc.com/product.php?productid=19124&cat=409&page=3
I obviously can't say enough about this F1 chassis release. If you were like me and had one of these years ago, I highly recommend you give it another try with this Pro-level set while you still can!

arch2b
2010.04.11, 09:44 PM
i agree, this kit is as race ready as it gets as a factory racer. just open, pair and drop on the track.

if i didn't have the sp1, i would definately be picking up the sp2. hell, if i could sell my sp1, i would still but the sp2. i just can't afford 2 competitive f1's at the moment.

Racer-HH
2010.04.20, 05:25 AM
Finally, after some time at customs, I received my damper yesterday. I quickly assembled the parts and attached it to my chassis - and wow, without having driven it, the rear seems to be much more stabilized.
But: when putting the body back on I saw what I feared most - that the EJ11 body is too low. Even trying it with the damper plate screwed in under the antenna bridge did not help.
As I did not want to use Mr Dremel on the inside (the body actually seems rather thin), I switched bodies to a Ferrari 248, which is supposed to be compatible. Actually it is compatible, but now I have another problem: the rear left side of the body collides with my PN motor mount. Any ideas how to solve this one?

Racer

Traveler
2010.04.20, 07:43 AM
Although Kyosho states the Ferrari 248 body is compatible with this damper, I found it was not. When snapping the main body onto the chassis and keeping an eye on the damper from the rear of the car, I would see it twist when the body came all the way down. I took Mr. Dremel to the inside. Don't have pics, but you can see what Pedro did HERE (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34152) to his 248 body to make it work.

arch2b
2010.04.20, 04:12 PM
good thing i run the mp4-22. seems to fit fine with this body.

Racer-HH
2010.04.21, 04:01 AM
Traveler, I think you misunderstood me. I actually have no problem with the damper. I installed it like briankstan did it - the damper plate from below - and I have enough, though not much, clearance under the body.
Currently I am facing troubles regarding the newly installed Ferrari body interfering with the aluminium PN motor mount. Both hit on left rear side causing a block so the motor mount cannot move anymore. As far as I can see that, either I have to cut the body, which would look bad, or to dremel the motor mount - but do not have the necessary tools to work with aluminium.
So my question is, if there is anybody else who is facing the same problems with this configuration and how this issue was solved.

Racer

Traveler
2010.04.21, 04:20 AM
No misunderstanding :) Reading your post reminded me of the different problem I had, which I wanted to inform others of.

As for your problem of the body touching the mount, I too use the PN F1 mount but have not experienced what you are describing. It would be helpful if you could post some pictures so we can see what you are describing and whan the cause might be.

EMU
2010.04.21, 11:55 AM
I had the same problem with the mount hitting the body. I shaved down the body. I also removed a little material to give more clearane for the motor wires.

arch2b
2010.04.21, 12:21 PM
check the mantisworks rear wing thread, i believe varacer posted pictures of his f1 which appears to have a spot dremeled on his aluminum motor mount.

Racer-HH
2010.04.25, 06:10 AM
Thanks for your help. I dremeld the rear of the body and now have enough clearance. Can't wait till next Friday for a test drive.

Racer

Racer-HH
2010.05.01, 01:04 AM
So finally I had a chance to test drive my F1 with the damper. Boy, I am impressed. The whole car is stabilized and at entrance and exit of corner suddenly I have more grip and traction. In my opinion, the damper is a keeper!

Racer

Kevin S.
2010.05.18, 04:35 PM
yeah, i noticed that the kit specifically lists 3 bodies that are compatible. i'm sure with it mounted in a lower position it would fit some of the older bodies provided the rear is not pinched tighter than the width of the damped plate.

Hi Arch,
Can you please provide which (3) bodies are listed with the part numbers for those bodies if you have it. Thank you very much.

EMU
2010.05.18, 05:05 PM
I used the ferrari 248, and needed to shave it out slightly. It is listed as compatable.

Traveler
2010.05.19, 04:36 AM
Hi Arch,
Can you please provide which (3) bodies are listed with the part numbers for those bodies if you have it. Thank you very much.

Its only 2 bodies, the Ferrari 248 (No.30506FM or MS) and the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-22 (No.30507FA or LH). See note below picture of KT-18 HERE (http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=106134) ;)

Kevin S.
2010.05.19, 08:43 AM
Its only 2 bodies, the Ferrari 248 (No.30506FM or MS) and the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-22 (No.30507FA or LH). See note below picture of KT-18 HERE (http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/detail.html?product_id=106134) ;)

Thanks for the info Traveler :D

EMU
2010.05.19, 10:28 AM
You could probably use any body with a little shaving of the body for clearance.

Kevin S.
2010.05.19, 10:34 AM
You could probably use any body with a little shaving of the body for clearance.

Thank for the heads up Eugene. Are you racing at Action RC on Saturday? I belive that the SP2 Chassis that Al ordered for me came in. I want to start working on it right away and I could use your help and expertise in setting it up :D

EMU
2010.05.19, 10:50 AM
I will bring my F1 with me to show you a couple of things ;)

Kevin S.
2010.05.19, 11:12 AM
I will bring my F1 with me to show you a couple of things ;)

Thanks EMU :D