MantisWorx F1 front wing!!!

[MantisMMA]

i am very happy with this one it came out better than expected and actually looks pretty darn good!

the lower is made of 1.7mm dry carbon, braces are made of billet CNC'd delrin and the upper is made of styrene so you can paint it. i am gonna try and source out some aluminum screws . the delrin corners stick out slightly so the carbon wont stick in to the wall. it only uses 1 screw to mount to the chassis and is higher than any other bumper so there is no worry about it scraping the ground when cornering and there is plenty of room for the wheels to fully turn without trimming. its the last bumper you will ever need!

they will be ready for sale in a week and i dont plan on making a whole lot of them at the same time so if you preorder before friday you will be on the first batch. they are time consuming. price is 30.00 and will include all screws and you have an option of carbon wings are styrene (paintable) its the same price.

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2156.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2154.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2157.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2158.jpg

i will start another thread about the wheel covers!!

[EMU]

This is a must have!!! It looks so good, and durable. Wheel protection, as well as good styling. You could also use a lexan wing if you want to lighten the front end even more.

[MantisMMA]

right now the entire car weighs right at 200g with batteries. what does your car weigh?

[CristianTabush]

Marcus, angle the wing and mounts downward a bit, it should still be effective and perhaps a little more functional!

[EMU]

Minimum weigh in at events is 200g, so that is the weight that I try to keep the cars :) Looks like your right on target in the weight of these parts. . .

[briankstan]

will the wing be secure with only the one mounting screw? Looks really good!

[MantisMMA]

CT, i definately agree with that but id like to do some testing because to do that takes some trickery with the machine to make the post angle. temporarily i think either making a lexan "winglet" pc or adding some washers under the back of the wings to see if there is a difference.

brian, i dont see how it will fail at the back of the plate there is a "V" that also keeps it secure. if for some reason it will not i can easily make a different bottom plate with more mounting screws but i dont think it will be needed.

[briankstan]

CT, i definately agree with that but id like to do some testing because to do that takes some trickery with the machine to make the post angle. temporarily i think either making a lexan "winglet" pc or adding some washers under the back of the wings to see if there is a difference.

brian, i dont see how it will fail at the back of the plate there is a "V" that also keeps it secure. if for some reason it will not i can easily make a different bottom plate with more mounting screws but i dont think it will be needed.


your right I forgot about the "V" at the back. I'm looking forward to testing them out. :)

[MantisMMA]

im looking fwd to your feedback! i just ordered aluminum screws, do you mind waiting till tue /wed for shipment?

[briankstan]

im looking fwd to your feedback! i just ordered aluminum screws, do you mind waiting till tue /wed for shipment?

sure, I'm not in a super rush. :)

[MantisMMA]

well i finally got to test the car and have been driving it for about an hour now, here are the results on the parts:
setup
k20r/k30cut fronts
mr03 lowdown yelow fronts
shock tower cut completely off (more on that later)
pn33t
RR/qtec diff 53t
MWX 2-3 towers
MWX front bumper
MWX wheel covers
MWX wing mount
MWX carbon rear wing
MWX double k shock system
MWX prototype "T" plate
track conditions: just layed the track down in my garage not very much grip at all and its dirty/bumpy, my stock car wont even hookup!

ok first off the bumper is FANTASTIC!! if you hit anything with it the car just brushes it off, i noticed this especially going down the longest straight where normally if you even touch the wall the car digs in and spins around,this doesnt happen anymore. car looks like a hammer head goin aorund the track!!

wheel covers: they are going to need some grind work the upper corner will dig in . im about to smooth out the corner and try again

"T" plate i dont really have anything to compare to except that this track is in the worst possible shape for an F1 especially with a mod motor. and after making some adjustments to the rear springs (pn mr03 greens, reds were too soft) i am now able to power out of turns with out fear of the back coming around and i expect this to get better with an optimal tire setup (k30 are too much, even with super hard springs in the front)

wing and wing mount: all i can say is that once i got the balance closer i was able to full throttle around the sweeper and it almost seemd that it had more rear traction as i had to let off for the next turn ie higher speed=higher grip. but i have nothing to compare to, it does look good though!!

Front towers: the car has tremendous amounts of steering in all situations and the front is VERY stiff in fact i dont have a stiffer spring to put on it. of course some of this is because of hte tires having too much grip but before i cut the grooves off it was undriveable. so i cant wait to try out some PN 15/20's. on a side note i installed some stock kyosho kingpins and they were longer than the ones that were on the car. what this did is allow some play between the tower bar and the clip and what this did is almost acted like a progressive set up! when you slowly press the front down the arm will flex a little first and then the spring! in theory that should allow the car to handle bumps without bouncing around and it does seem to act this way.

overall i like the car its becoming easy to drive and i still have lots of things to adjust over the next day or two, i cant wait to get feedback from you guys! your gonna LOVE the bumper!

[bermbuster]

How do you order one w/aluminum screws?

[MantisMMA]

they will all come with aluminum screws.

[bermbuster]

they will all come with aluminum screws.

sweet.....
how do you order one?

[MantisMMA]

PP 35.00 (that includes shipping) to muscletexx@yahoo.com

[ShortBus]

Mantis - please let me know when you have the front wings ready. Also price, etc.

Thanks,

Jeff S

[MantisMMA]

The wings are 35.00 shipped. They are goin quick so I suggest you preorder before Friday to get in with the first batch! I gotta rotate production. PP to muscletexx@yahoo.com

[MantisMMA]

all hardware came in today for the bumpers and wing mounts. i have 4 that have not been sold yet! those who pre-ordered will be shipped out tomorrow.

[briankstan]

I received my front and rear mantisworks wings on Friday. Here is the finished product installed on my car.

initial thoughts on the front wing. It came completely assemble and just needed to remove the existing parts to install. it was quick and painless. they quality is good and the design is great. I removed the top styrene pieces and painted them to match my body. :D

I haven't had it on the track but I can already tell I'm going to like it. It has plenty (More than the other wings and bumper) of room under the wing for clearance, I'll probably purchase some counter sunk titanium screws for the bottom just because, but that's just me, it's not really needed.

I'll follow up with a driving review of the parts if I get some track time tomorrow.

Click first pic to go to my gallery for higher res photos.
http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_17_04_10_8_05_40_0.JPG (http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=175;u=1) http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_17_04_10_8_03_59_3.JPG

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_17_04_10_8_03_58_2.JPG http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/forum/gallery/2/thumb_1_17_04_10_7_43_00_1.JPG

[VAzRACER]

I received the front wing on Friday aswell. The first thing I noticed was the weight, it feels a little bit on the heavy side but it is very strong. I put it on the car and noticed that the front wing was just a little wider than the front track of the car(about 1mm wider) I thought it my help keep the tires from catching walls. For only having one mounting piont it is alot stonger than i thought it would be.

Once I put it on the track I immediately knew this was the front wing to use. When you are driving down the straight and glance against the wall with the front end it just slides right off, thanks to the smooth delrin blocks its like you never touched anything. Normally you would end up stuffed in the wall after a little mistake like that. After running 4-5 packs trough the car everything is holding up just fine and looks great.

[briankstan]

I agree, I drove it for a bit on the track last night and the design is very good for function. it glances off the rails instead of grabbing and is very stable with the 1 mounting point. I didn't notice a change in weight of my car either, I'm still comeing in at 201.1 grams in full race trim w/ batteries. this is with both front and rear mantis wings. :D

[VAzRACER]

I agree, I drove it for a bit on the track last night and the design is very good for function. it glances off the rails instead of grabbing and is very stable with the 1 mounting point. I didn't notice a change in weight of my car either, I'm still comeing in at 201.1 grams in full race trim w/ batteries. this is with both front and rear mantis wings. :D

Same here, the race weight stayed the same. I put the tower bars, front and rear wings and the rear wing mount on and stayed a 197.3. Its gives me a little room to add weight where needed.

[briankstan]

Same here, the race weight stayed the same. I put the tower bars, front and rear wings and the rear wing mount on and stayed a 197.3. Its gives me a little room to add weight where needed.

Matt, where are your pics, did you paint it to match your body or you just running it in CF form? BTW, if you recall I purchased my F1 body from you :)

[arch2b]

i want to see pictures with arms installed;)

[VAzRACER]

Here you go guys! I took these with a camera I dont normally use so sorry for the quality of them. Of course I left the carbon there, to me it is a sin to paint over it.:rolleyes: I am going to paint the paneels on the front wing soon, while I paint a new body for my other F1.I'm glad your are getting some good use from the body.

The arms are fairly easy to install, you just have to shave down the top of the arms a bit and cut the body. So far they have been very effective. The caster helps plant the rear of the car and with the static camber maks the suspenion feel very smooth. All I can say right now is this is the most drivable F1 I have ever had!:D

Here are the pics-
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae344/wardmwa/008-1.jpg

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae344/wardmwa/010-2.jpg

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae344/wardmwa/013-2.jpg

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae344/wardmwa/011-2.jpg

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http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae344/wardmwa/015-2.jpg

[MantisMMA]

That looks incredible!! have you diriven it yet? i am finding that i may need to put some rake on the front wings or add on a gurney flap, the wing mount/wing really adds downforce at high speed! i am SOOOO glad that everyone likes this stuff! and there is more to come!

[MantisMMA]

BTW Matt the spacers that i sent you for the wing mount actually make the mount stiffer which is why they are that size.

[arch2b]

it may be covered here or not but what is the cost for the V2 front wing?

[MantisMMA]

they will be 35.00 unassembled, the pix on the website (mantismma.net) are not the final version, im gonna make them a bit sleeker with smaller but more aggressive winglets. should have another one made tomorrow. they are kinda tedious to assemble, for 5.00 i will assemble it.

[bermbuster]

dimensionally what will be different between the wings?
It is good to see you got things worked out and they will
be allowed in PN World Cup races....
V1=preban wing
v2=postban wing

Will you make a v3 wing that will be just a bumper so purists can
utilize there Kyosho wings?

[MantisMMA]

v1 and v2 are the same dimensionally. thats a good idea about v3! i will work on that!

[MantisMMA]

ok so here is some more prototype work on the V2 wing (its more of a wing than bumper now) and my R30 replica paint scheme! let me know what ya think. The more i drive the car i notice that it pushes at high speeds and that is because of the wing and wing mount doing their job, so this wing has a decent amount of downforce. this is a one off and is made of aluminum because thats all i had lying around. they will not be made of aluminum as it will bend if hit hard enough.

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/carz/DSC_0025.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/carz/DSC_0028.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/carz/DSC_0029.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/carz/DSC_0030.jpg

[arch2b]

Are you taking orders for v2?

[MantisMMA]

yes but they will not ship til the end of next week and i wont have many as i am making a bunch to take with me to the carolina cup in two weeks! and there are still a few bugs i want to change. what do you think about the design?

[EMU]

I really like that version 2 prototype. I think you need a little air under the wing for it to work properly. So the little gap that you have should be good. The air under the wing is what provides the downforce, not the air above it.

Your Renault scheme looks really good. Making me think about painting my newest body after a current F1 team rather than my own colors...

[MantisMMA]

thanx! i think the wing is about a detailed as it needs to be to keep everybody happy! it doesnt deflect as good as the V1 but good enough for the more experienced drivers. maybe on a tight track use V1 and V2 on an open track? what do you think about leaving the strakes exposed? at first it concerned me but when its on the car it looks pretty good and if they were left carbon you wouldnt even really see it.

yea you should paint a car up! im doin the virgin car also for my back up car. Man Pattos place has stickers for everything!

[EMU]

Deflection is not my primary concern with the bumper. Keeping the car all in one piece is what really matters to me. I have had the front Kyosho bumper break a little, and drag on the track making the car nearly undriveable.

I will think about it...
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/spyker2006_2.thumbnail.jpg

[Roger]

Im not into F1's, but that is pretty coooool :). Goodjob !!

[kwsmith29]

Nice, can't wait to look at one in pearson...

Wade

[MantisMMA]

painted/stickered up V2 wings!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/mantisworx/DSCN2183.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/mantisworx/DSCN2181.jpg

[yasuji]

now thats what im talking about!:eek:the wing on the yellow car looks AWESOME!

BTW...wheres the "F" duct....;)

[QuantumRC]

Super nice!! Can't wait to get ours!!

[EMU]

Both cars look REALLY good. I have never dressed up an F1 to look like a real F1. It takes so much time and effort. I love the way the Virgin came out... One thing about it though, its a little dark and may blend in with the RCP, which may not be a problem for the driver, but could be a problem when working your way around traffic :p

Both are great representations of the full scale models. I noticed how smooth the Renault was, and was going to ask if you did body work. It looks really good. I have always disliked all the little pieces of bodywork slapped onto the body all over the place with the mid 2000 F1s. I like a smooth look on the cars, F1 cars should be smooth and curvy like a hot woman... I usually strip down my F1 bodies (even autoscales) to make them smooth. I think it gives better aero to the rear wing, and wont hurt a marshalls hand if they grab it the wrong way.

[MantisMMA]

the virgin car is my backup car (unless it works better than the R30!) it is basically a stock SP-1 with tower bars and my sideplates, it runs realy good except im getting that "inside tire spinning" thing if you push it too hard, i think it is the stock front springs causing it. besides that is it a good running car. i did a tremendous amout of bodywork to the R30 i had to hide those inboard shocks that it has. i think the current f1 cars are the best in years.

[arch2b]

the virgin car looks great! you've done a marvelous job with it. i hope it serves you well :)

i'll be ordering my v2 wing as soon as you get a batch made for public consumption. unless your working on v3...

[MantisMMA]

no v3 in the works, im content with both of them for now! BTW it was the motor that was causing the issues we were talking about, its fine now.

[arch2b]

good to know.

let us know when you have another batch of v2 available :)

[briankstan]

I like the V2 as well, I might have to pick up another one as well. :eek:

[MantisMMA]

depending on what i have left from this weekend i should have some ready to ship by mid week next week

[akura2]

Nvm........

[MantisMMA]

i sell them in carbon fiber and in black and white styrene.

http://www.mantisworx.com/professional-rc-products/kyosho-mini-z-formula-one/

scroll down to the bottom, i just finished the online shopping cart a few minutes ago and should be functional by tomorrow

[arch2b]

any chance to get aluminum spacers with long counter sunk screws that attach the nose cone to the front wing? i don't have this yet but it just looks like that attachment would provide so much more rigidity. i'm not the cleanest driver with f1 and i do not relish the thought of breaking a $40 wing quickly:o or does this only make impact stress worse for the v2?

[EMU]

Arch, I have seen both the v1 and v2 take more abuse than you can dish. The single screw mount has proven to be very sturdy, much more than I had originally anticipated.

[MantisMMA]

any chance to get aluminum spacers with long counter sunk screws that attach the nose cone to the front wing? i don't have this yet but it just looks like that attachment would provide so much more rigidity. i'm not the cleanest driver with f1 and i do not relish the thought of breaking a $40 wing quickly:o or does this only make impact stress worse for the v2?


its not needed, i have only seen one failure and it was only because the screws on the bottom were too short ( and he was hit HARD and at full speed!!). that has been taken care of. the wing does not move as long as you keep a barge board on the car (stock or mantis). it does not flex either so attaching it to the front nose wouldnt do anything except add cost to the wing!!

[arch2b]

how does one pay for an assembled wing in your shop? there is no option to add to the cost to include the assembly.

[MantisMMA]

how does one pay for an assembled wing in your shop? there is no option to add to the cost to include the assembly.
the v1 wing comes assembled. If you want the v2 assembled just order normally and I will send you a request for the assembly fee.

[MantisMMA]

the V1 wing has been "freshened up"!!

http://www.mantisworx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/DSC_0061.jpg

[PadrinoNY]

Heres mine just got them today the v2 rocks and gave me a confidence to drive it faster.......

[MantisMMA]

Nice! thats actually a V1 (version II of the Version I!!)

[machgo5go]

I see what I need is FRONT WING VERSION 2 (Assembled) but it is back ordered.
Since picture shown as Renault Yellow, Can it be order to color desire like Silver to match my Vodafone Mclaren or I have to paint it myself?
Of course I assume there is no such matching decals available.
Do your retain the stock nose piece and cut off stock front wing and then install V2?

[MantisMMA]

i will bemakig anouther batch of them at the end of next week.
i cannot paint them to match your car, they come black, although i need one for my 2010 mclaren that i am building!! you can get the sitckers from Pattos place in australia, make sure you order the bright red and not the orange, he cannot print flourescent colors and the orange doesnt look very good.( i actually have a brad new orange sticker kit i will sell you for cheap!!)
the nose is held together with pins , you should be able to just pull it apart.

[machgo5go]

i will bemakig anouther batch of them at the end of next week.
i cannot paint them to match your car, they come black, although i need one for my 2010 mclaren that i am building!! you can get the sitckers from Pattos place in australia, make sure you order the bright red and not the orange, he cannot print flourescent colors and the orange doesnt look very good.( i actually have a brad new orange sticker kit i will sell you for cheap!!)
the nose is held together with pins , you should be able to just pull it apart.
I already ask Maj to order the V2 nose from you so I guess he will place order soon and looking forward to it. Black Carbon won't be so bad looking in match to Silver. What is the Orange sticker kit, replicate all the actual sponsors? I like to see your 2010 creation when you come!

[MantisMMA]

yes its a complete sponser package, i only used one of the side sticker and F duct stickers but the kit has enough for two cars 11.00 and its yours

[machgo5go]

yes its a complete sponser package, i only used one of the side sticker and F duct stickers but the kit has enough for two cars 11.00 and its yours I take it but can you carry it up to PN NE Reg. with you since George & I want to see rest of your goodies. I just hope to get delivery of your V2 before PN Reg. since I am destroying rest of my OEM front bumper & wing. Hot Glue is holding it together so far but not for long!:(

[MantisMMA]

Maj has inquired but not placed an order yet. So I'm not sure if he us gonna order in time to make the qualifier. I'm bringing a bunch of stuff up there already and I can gaurentee that I will bring the stickers as they cannot bend and idont want to damage them PM Me ur cell and I can send u a pic

[bermbuster]

Im getting excited for F1 this July.....:cool:
Marcus you couldnt have found a better driver to sponsor!!!
Matt is not only a great driver but a great guy as well.....:D
I want your version 1 wing and I have procrastinating about getting it.
Only because I havent ran my F1 in ages. Fast Eddie is a great motivator too!
He is an avid real F1 fan and I have been nudging him to get a mini z F1...
Now I have to keep my end of the bargain and run F1 with him....
We have at Majs several closet F1 racers so I have a feeling if you bring the parts you will sell them....:D

What do you think is the best rear pod for the F1?

[JuniorWKR]

i will be picking up the f1 parts at the regional... my question is will your tplate work on the stock rear pod?

[MantisMMA]

My parts revolve around the PN mount at least until the mantis mount is ready for production( it will revolutionize miniz!!) I have a prototype made and im testing motor locations so it willbe a while. The t plate only works with a ground down PN mount.
Those of you who want me to bring parts need to email me and request what you want so I can bring enough parts. Use this format:
forum name
real name
parts wanted

you don't have to prepay but I will offer a discount if you do!

[MantisMMA]

Email Mantisworx@hotmail.com

[machgo5go]

Maj has inquired but not placed an order yet. So I'm not sure if he us gonna order in time to make the qualifier. I'm bringing a bunch of stuff up there already and I can gaurentee that I will bring the stickers as they cannot bend and i dont want to damage them PM Me ur cell and I can send u a pic
I just asked Maj yesterday on the order for me so I assume he will place order sometime this week. PN Reg. race at his shop will be held from July 31st. as you know so I got entire Month. You don't think you can make delivery within the month of July? I will PM my email address to so you can send me a the pic, tks!
Yea George, got to catch today's Valencia GP since Vettel took the Pole & Webber did NOT even congrat. him after taking second during post FIA driver inspection at qualifying. It should be very interesting front roll start & see what third pos. Hamilton got for them after winning my favorite Canada GP which I still got sunburn from!

[MantisMMA]

I just asked Maj yesterday on the order for me so I assume he will place order sometime this week. PN Reg. race at his shop will be held from July 31st. as you know so I got entire Month. You don't think you can make delivery within the month of July? I will PM my email address to so you can send me a the pic, tks!
Yea George, got to catch today's Valencia GP since Vettel took the Pole & Webber did NOT even congrat. him after taking second during post FIA driver inspection at qualifying. It should be very interesting front roll start & see what third pos. Hamilton got for them after winning my favorite Canada GP which I still got sunburn from!


its going to be tough as i am a one man show!! thats why its important that the orders/preorders come quickly so i can start producing them.

[machgo5go]

its going to be tough as i am a one man show!! thats why its important that the orders/preorders come quickly so i can start producing them.
I see since I didn't know & thought it was a corporate operation. Do the best you can then in production since my F1 is just my third choice in attempt to run at PN Reg. since STK & MOD class is my main club racers.
I do have a follow up question:
On your installation description of only one screw which I can not see where on under tray chassis in comparing to Kyosho's OEM bumper which is mounted with 2 screws in the 2 front lower control arm and 2 counter sink screws to front wing?

[EMU]

The screw replaces the screw that you remove to change your tie rod. It is in the center... The rear of the bumper assembly is held down by the barge board. I have used this bumper for a while, and love it :) Havent had any problems yet.

[machgo5go]

The screw replaces the screw that you remove to change your tie rod. It is in the center... The rear of the bumper assembly is held down by the barge board. I have used this bumper for a while, and love it :) Havent had any problems yet. TKS, I assume is the counter sink screw right in center of the bottom chassis tray before battery cover?

[EMU]

Its the screw right behind of the tie rod. The screw provided is an alternate size head, so I use a different counter-sunk philips so if I need to remove the bumper, I dont have to pull a different tool out.

[machgo5go]

Its the screw right behind of the tie rod. The screw provided is an alternate size head, so I use a different counter-sunk philips so if I need to remove the bumper, I dont have to pull a different tool out. TKs Eugene, I see where it would be mounted. Pretty much for now I just have to use alternative front end protection until some ETA information will be available at shop.

[MantisMMA]

They will be ready to ship tomorrow! They tend to go quick so get your order in!

[machgo5go]

They will be ready to ship tomorrow! They tend to go quick so get your order in!
YEA, So hopefully I will get your fine works in few days!

[MantisMMA]

little bit of a revision on the V2 wing, and this is my LH replica...finally!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2204.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2211.jpg

[machgo5go]

little bit of a revision on the V2 wing, and this is my LH replica...finally!

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2204.jpg

http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/muscletexx/DSCN2211.jpg
Looks great and still waiting. Hopefully V2 will arrive any day now.:(

[machgo5go]

YEA, So hopefully I will get your fine works in few days! Finally got it but decide on your V1 instead in more durability then V2 without making a mess in gluing.:(
Got to give you credit that it is strong and nothing broken in front end at brutal races.:)
Now stock rear end pod is cracked so awaits for PN Rear Pod so I can try out your T- plate.

[arch2b]

i finally had the opportunity to order the front wing and choose the v1 as it just looks more durable.
i have to ask, why include hex head screws that are not a common size to what other manufacturers are using? i went to install my wing tonight only to realize the screws are too small for the standard 1.5mm and too big for the .9mm hex head drivers. these are the two most common sizes used by both pn and atomic. i literally do not have any other hex head drivers.
i had a major complaint about pn releasing kits without tools to install them when they were not standard size. i find myself now in the same position with this front wing.

what size driver is needed? perhaps this should be included in the 'needed to install' portion of the instructions. i'm racing f1 in the als charity race this saturday and now i have to wait and hope someone at the race has the right driver.

props for choosing hex head screws though :)

[wrcsti]

Wallmart has these keychain like things, its something like 2 for $3 and together you have most hex sizes.

[EMU]

I luckily have one of the appropriate sized hex keys on my leatherman. It is an imperial size, although the specific size escapes my memory at the moment.

[VAzRACER]

Its either .50" or 1/16".

[MantisMMA]

the proper size is .050 non metric. i use these screws because they are 2-56 which is slightly bigger/stronger than the std 2mm screws i can only get this size in aluminum SHCS. you can use std self thread screws until you find the proper size alen wrench if you like. sorry for your confusion.

[arch2b]

i'm sure someone at the event will have a wrench unless i can find one at a hardware store friday.

if i could suggest, adding that tid bit of information to the product information would be very helpful. as my experience with the PN product, it was frustrating to finally have been able to order a highly praised product only to realize upon arrival that crucial information regarding it's assembly simply is not provided anywhere. its not much fun staring at a bunch of bits on the table with nothing to assemble them with. the bits look good though.

tools required is always helpful information to provide ;)

[VAzRACER]

Ray, I'll bring a wrench with me you can use.

[arch2b]

Ray, I'll bring a wrench with me you can use.

thanks matt. i tore through my entire box and did find a small wrench that fit! if i recall, it came from an alloy pinion set of some kind.

[MantisMMA]

i am still here guys, been going through a bunch of crap with this hobby shop thing (which is not working out as planned) and the lack of anywhere to test anything in houston. i have been talking with EMU and Matt and i am going to come up with something sick for next year since apperently the floodgates have been opened up to do pretty much whatever we want to the cars!

[arch2b]

sounds vague yet promising! i look forward to seeing what else you can do to make the F1 a better product.

[Sammich]

i'm guessing these have been discontinued?

[briankstan]

I sent you a PM.