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pinwc4
2010.04.09, 11:46 AM
I do not know if this will interest anyone other than me but I have been working on my own ICS software as a small side project. I upgraded my sons car to an ASF board and became interested in using the ICS port. Unfortunately the only software available is for Windows and all my systems are either Linux or Mac so I was stuck.

Obviously in such a case a person will write their own software and build their own hardware, right?

I am close to being finished with the software but my hardware has not arrived yet. My bluetooth parts should be in early next week and then I can finish up the software.

The software will work with the dNaNo, ASF and MR-03 ICS ports. I am not doing AD at this time because its communication is different than the other 3 and my bluetooth module will not be able to communicate with it.

In addition to the basic functionality the program will have an advanced tab to let you modify the various values directly. I am curious to see what we can get these cars to do when not limited to a few options in a drop down. It can allow finer tuning. It may not work but it will be interesting to find out.

Here are some screenshots of what I have so far.

Main screen
http://www.flipsideracing.org/documentation/fsics/en/images/icsmain.png

Advanced screen for directly modifying the values
http://www.flipsideracing.org/documentation/fsics/en/images/icscustom.png

Is this something that will interest other people?

briankstan
2010.04.09, 12:25 PM
I've never played with the settings on any of my 2.4 cars, but I am interested in seeing what you come up with and possibly giving it a shot.

arch2b
2010.04.09, 01:03 PM
if it means no longer being tied to expensive kyosho setting hardware, i think you will find many interested parties.

Treadmule
2010.04.09, 01:35 PM
I'd like to try on on my MacBook with Snow Leopard 10.6.3 on an ASF MR-02.

pinwc4
2010.04.09, 03:21 PM
if it means no longer being tied to expensive kyosho setting hardware, i think you will find many interested parties.

I was not really even thinking about the hardware side of it. I had initially posted this thinking people would only be interested in the software side of what I am doing since there is already hardware on the market but no software for us Linux/Mac people.

The adapter I am building would be expensive as well since it is communicating wirelessly via bluetooth. The one I am building cost me around $80 in parts. I guess if there is enough interest I could produce a batch of them and should be able to get the price at $60 for bluetooth.

USB is easier, I could probably do those for about $35.

Not sure there would be enough interest in the hardware based on the person on the marketplace selling the ICS serial port adapters much cheaper than the Kyosho stuff but does not appear to get very many sales. Without a quantity of sales I could not justify the investment in parts to bring prices down.

arch2b
2010.04.09, 04:52 PM
understood.

i'm sure there are plenty of mac people that you would make very happy with your software.

pinwc4
2010.04.11, 07:12 PM
So I got a little impatient and built a quick USB ICS adapter this weekend and got the initial software working. I have done some basic testing with the Linux and Mac versions so far

Here are links to the various version:
Linux version 0.26 (http://www.flipsideracing.org/downloads/FlipSideICS-32-Linux.tar.gz)

Mac version 0.24 (http://www.flipsideracing.org/downloads/FlipSideICS-32-OSX.zip)

Windows version 0.24 (http://www.flipsideracing.org/downloads/FlipSideICS-32-Win.zip)

When you first open the program you will need to choose the correct COM port before you can do anything usefull.

For the Linux version you will need to make a symbolic link to /dev/ttyS followed by the next free number for the program to detect the USB adapter. If you are using a serial adapter this will not need to be done.

After choosing the correct COM port you will then be able to read or write settings. Make sure to set the car type correctly. When you do this on the main settings screen it will gray out any options not available for that car.

If you are interested in tweaking settings further you can use the Custom screen. For some of the cars settings the Kyosho program just gives you 4 or 5 options, this screen will let you tweak some of those further. I do not know if that will be usefull or not, the car may not recognize the other values.

For example in the gain menu you could only select minimum, medium and strong. These equate to the values 50, 100 and 255. If you go to the custom screen though you could put in a value of 75. Will this work and give you something in between 50 and 100, I do not know. If people find that the cars will let us customize the values like that please let us know. It will be interesting to hear what people discover.

This is Alpha software, the first build that I have produced. There will be bugs, let me know what you find so I can fix it. I also welcome any suggestions for improving the program.

Treadmule
2010.04.11, 08:51 PM
I'm using the Mac Version with Abdul's ICS cable and a Keyspan DB-9 to USB adapter. So far, so good. I'll try wheels-on-the-ground testing tomorrow in the daylight.

I'm uncertain about what happens when I click the "Save" button and the "Profile" button's logic is worthy of some discussion :confused:

Overall, I really like what you've done and I appreciate your effort!

pinwc4
2010.04.11, 09:12 PM
I'm using the Mac Version with Abdul's ICS cable and a Keyspan DB-9 to USB adapter. So far, so good. I'll try wheels-on-the-ground testing tomorrow in the daylight.

I'm uncertain about what happens when I click the "Save" button and the "Profile" button's logic is worthy of some discussion :confused:

Overall, I really like what you've done and I appreciate your effort!

Thanks for your quick report back, we will all be interested in the driving test.

The profiles are a way for you to create some presets that you will use. When you click Save it is saving those settings to the database, not the car. This way if you mess with settings on your car you can bring up that profile and then write it back to the car to get your car back to the settings you want. You may also want different profiles for your car for different track types, for example one with aggressive steering settings for a technical track and a different profile for more open high speed tracks.

If you have a profile selected and change values those values are not saved to the database until you click save. The values are not written to the car until you click write.

Any of the buttons under the profile heading are controlling the profiles in the database. The buttons on the bottom right (read and write) actually communicate with the car. The default button sets the default values in the program for that car type but does not write them to the car, if you want the default values written to the car you still need to to click write after clicking default.

I hope that makes sense, I do plan on doing documentation and an installer after tweaking the software some more.

pedrocamp
2010.04.12, 06:31 AM
I am interested in trying your software out. I imagine there should be no problem using the Kyosho usb cable.

pinwc4
2010.04.12, 10:13 AM
I am interested in trying your software out. I imagine there should be no problem using the Kyosho usb cable.

It should work with the Kyosho cable, yes. But let us know either way.

Thanks

LED
2010.04.12, 12:03 PM
I'm going to try this to as soon as I can.
ko propo hardware and windows.

ub0211042
2010.04.12, 12:21 PM
I am curious to see what we can get these cars to do when not limited to a few options in a drop down. It can allow finer tuning.


this the best point...fine tuning will give more choices :) , will try em out for sure :) good job pinwc4! :D

ub0211042
2010.04.12, 12:53 PM
the windows version works :D ...

pinwc4
2010.04.12, 01:45 PM
this the best point...fine tuning will give more choices :) , will try em out for sure :) good job pinwc4! :D

Since I do not have documentation done here are the values that the various dropdown menu options equal

GAIN: Min = 50, Mid = 100, Strong = 255
SPEED: Slow = 10, 2 = 20, 3 = 30, 4 = 40, Fast = 255
PUNCH: 1-10
DRIVE BAND: Narrow = 1, Mid = 2, Wide = 3
DUMP: Over = 1, Smooth =2
DRIVE FREQ: High = 64, Medium = 120, Low = 255
NEUTRAL: Narrow = 130;124, Mid = 136;120, Wide = 148;108
VERTICAL INERTIA: Strong = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = 3, 4 = 4, OFF = 255
BACK TIMING: 1 = 1, 2 = 5, 3 = 10, 4 = 20, 5 = 40
STEERING GAIN: 1-255
THROTTLE GAIN: 1-255

Treadmule
2010.04.12, 11:09 PM
It rained here today and I wasn't able to set up my track on the patio as I usually do, so no testing done. It'll be a few days till I can try again.

I noticed a couple minor cosmetic things in Mac version 0.24:
- Typos on a couple of the "Car" panel buttons (Neutral & Virtual Inertia)
- For Car Type - ASF a few items are grayed out on the "Car" panel, but they seem to be editable in the "Custom" panel.

But, those are just tiny glitches. The software seems very solid and easy to use and that's what counts.

pinwc4
2010.04.12, 11:32 PM
It rained here today and I wasn't able to set up my track on the patio as I usually do, so no testing done. It'll be a few days till I can try again.

I noticed a couple minor cosmetic things in Mac version 0.24:
- Typos on a couple of the "Car" panel buttons (Neutral & Virtual Inertia)
- For Car Type - ASF a few items are grayed out on the "Car" panel, but they seem to be editable in the "Custom" panel.

But, those are just tiny glitches. The software seems very solid and easy to use and that's what counts.

Thanks for the feedback, I will get those typos fixed. I had not payed close attention to the spelling yet.

As for the options in the Custom panel I did that on purpose. The custom panel is intended to let you change any of the values to anything you want without any enforced rules like the Car menu options. The values may not do anything but it lets us experiment some.

For example I would really like someone with an MR-03 to use the custom panel to set the Back Timing to 0. The main program only lets 1 be the lowest option but I am really curious if 0 would work. It would be awesome if we could get rid of the back timing altogether. It may not have any effect or it may cause erratic behavior, we do not know until someone tries.

PridgeoK
2010.04.13, 01:41 AM
USB is easier, I could probably do those for about $35.

Not sure there would be enough interest in the hardware based on the person on the marketplace selling the ICS serial port adapters much cheaper than the Kyosho stuff but does not appear to get very many sales. Without a quantity of sales I could not justify the investment in parts to bring prices down.


Interested? Definitely.

I'm not all that thrilled with the idea of a serial port cable from the marketplace for connecting the car (my laptop doesn't even have a serial port), so a USB version would be awesome. Kyosho's product is too much $$ for my meager budget, though I've been sorely tempted to dish out for it in the past. I've borrowed it before from a friend, but without having access to it on a regular basis it's pretty hard to try out different settings, so the temptation remains.

So yes - certainly, I'm raising my hand for an inexpensive USB version using your software. Sounds promising already and looks to be even more flexible than Kyosho's product.

Good work!! Looking forward to how this one turns out for you!

Kevin.

Treadmule
2010.04.17, 11:49 PM
I had a little test time yesterday afternoon, so I tried a couple variations with the ICS software.

Virtual Inertia set to zero caused my MR-02 to randomly run-away at full throttle, even with a neutral trigger. Hitting brakes stopped it. I tried a few other "in between" settings, but didn't encounter anything obvious. On the other hand, I don't have a timing system, nor am I that consistent in my driving to tell if the changes I made were having any impact. Maybe the changes are subtle and require a more refined driver than me to reveal their characteristics.

Have you had any more thoughts about the hardware? I'm also interested in a USB cable. Maybe you'd consider just showing the schematic with parts list rather than providing finished cables. Let us DIY?

pinwc4
2010.04.20, 10:14 AM
I had a little test time yesterday afternoon, so I tried a couple variations with the ICS software.

Virtual Inertia set to zero caused my MR-02 to randomly run-away at full throttle, even with a neutral trigger. Hitting brakes stopped it. I tried a few other "in between" settings, but didn't encounter anything obvious. On the other hand, I don't have a timing system, nor am I that consistent in my driving to tell if the changes I made were having any impact. Maybe the changes are subtle and require a more refined driver than me to reveal their characteristics.

Have you had any more thoughts about the hardware? I'm also interested in a USB cable. Maybe you'd consider just showing the schematic with parts list rather than providing finished cables. Let us DIY?

Thanks for the feedback, that is interesting information. I figured 0 could be a problematic value for some of those settings. Still holding out hope that it will work for the Back Timing on the MR-03 though.

I have the same issue as you, I am not a consistent enough driver to be able to tell how small changes are impacting my car.

In regards to a USB cable I will come up with something. I would not base a schematic on what I have built as it was just using parts I already had sitting around.

Has anyone else tried this software and have feedback? Is this software useful for people? Is there any features that you would like to see?

akura2
2010.04.26, 07:24 PM
I opened the software with my USB-serial-ICS plug plugged in, and when the software opens, I just get options in the COM area for blackberry8320-dialupNE2, Blackberry 8320-blackber 1, bluetooth modem and bluetooth PDA sync... nothing for USB

z3zinho
2010.04.26, 09:18 PM
WOOWWW...

Really nice and usefull... now i can tune my ASF cars directly from macos instead of using parallels :D

Next time i'm at the track i will see if the fine tuning adjustments make any difference ;)

By the way, by any chance can you/will you make the source code available?

pinwc4
2010.04.26, 09:19 PM
I opened the software with my USB-serial-ICS plug plugged in, and when the software opens, I just get options in the COM area for blackberry8320-dialupNE2, Blackberry 8320-blackber 1, bluetooth modem and bluetooth PDA sync... nothing for USB

From the name of those COM ports I am guessing you are on a Mac. If that is the case then you must not have the driver installed for the USB adapter. If you are using the Kyosho USB adapter you need to download the FTDI driver from here:

http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

If you are using something other than the Kyosho adapter then you will need the appropriate driver for the USB to Serial adapter that is being used.

pinwc4
2010.04.26, 09:34 PM
WOOWWW...

Really nice and usefull... now i can tune my ASF cars directly from macos instead of using parallels :D

Next time i'm at the track i will see if the fine tuning adjustments make any difference ;)

By the way, by any chance can you/will you make the source code available?

Source is already available

You can download it via subversion at this URL:
http://www.flipsideracing.org/svn_fsics/

Eventually I will have a project site up with details.
Unfinished project site (http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/FlipSideICS)

akura2
2010.04.27, 07:03 PM
From the name of those COM ports I am guessing you are on a Mac. If that is the case then you must not have the driver installed for the USB adapter. If you are using the Kyosho USB adapter you need to download the FTDI driver from here:

http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm

If you are using something other than the Kyosho adapter then you will need the appropriate driver for the USB to Serial adapter that is being used.

yes I am on a Mac... I'll look around for the specific driver... but I downloaded a driver from Apple that's supposed to cover all serial to USB devices... oh well.. I'll try again

EDIT** Downloaded the driver posted above... (mine is not a Kyosho device) and the software works flawlessly.... THANKS!!!

now I don't have to go back and forth to Boot Camp in order to program my cars on my MAC... YAY!... and your GUI is SO much nicer looking than Kyosho's....

pinwc4
2010.04.27, 08:27 PM
yes I am on a Mac... I'll look around for the specific driver... but I downloaded a driver from Apple that's supposed to cover all serial to USB devices... oh well.. I'll try again

I do not think that Apple provides a driver for the FTDI based serial adapters so you could try installing what I linked above, it may just work for you. It is one of the most common chips used for USB to serial adapters. The other common chip is from Silicon Labs (http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/pages/usbtouartbridgevcpdrivers.aspx)

In both cases you are going to need the VCP (Virtual COM Port) drivers

Who made your ICS adapter?

akura2
2010.04.28, 12:04 AM
I do not think that Apple provides a driver for the FTDI based serial adapters so you could try installing what I linked above, it may just work for you. It is one of the most common chips used for USB to serial adapters. The other common chip is from Silicon Labs (http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/pages/usbtouartbridgevcpdrivers.aspx)

In both cases you are going to need the VCP (Virtual COM Port) drivers

Who made your ICS adapter?

a friend of mine that works at RC Car Action made the ICS cable... and I got the USB adapter from Fry's... but like I said above... the link you gave me works great and the software kicks butt!

pinwc4
2010.04.30, 07:12 PM
I have posted a new version of the software and made a basic site for managing the software. The new version corrects some mistakes with the text and adds hints for the main controls. There is no new functionality added with this version.

You can download it from here:
http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/FlipSideICS/

Treadmule
2010.05.04, 11:07 PM
I have posted a new version of the software and made a basic site for managing the software. The new version corrects some mistakes with the text and adds hints for the main controls. There is no new functionality added with this version.

You can download it from here:
http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/FlipSideICS/

I downloaded the Mac version and tried it. It appears to be exactly the same as the original version, .024 with the same typos and no apparent changes... unless I'm doing something wrong.

pinwc4
2010.05.05, 10:25 AM
I downloaded the Mac version and tried it. It appears to be exactly the same as the original version, .024 with the same typos and no apparent changes... unless I'm doing something wrong.

Go ahead and try again. I had ran into this before with other downloads I posted where web browsers were using a cached copy instead of seeing the new version. I think I have that problem taken care of now.

The new version will say it is version 0.27

Treadmule
2010.05.05, 05:14 PM
Go ahead and try again. I had ran into this before with other downloads I posted where web browsers were using a cached copy instead of seeing the new version. I think I have that problem taken care of now.

The new version will say it is version 0.27

Yes, that took care of it. All good now.
I like your descriptions of the functions, they're quite clear. Especially the one for Virtual Inertia:
"sets how far the car will roll after the throttle is released". Right to the point, unlike some of the convoluted descriptions I've seen elsewhere.
Thanks!

pinwc4
2010.05.05, 05:52 PM
Yes, that took care of it. All good now.
I like your descriptions of the functions, they're quite clear. Especially the one for Virtual Inertia:
"sets how far the car will roll after the throttle is released". Right to the point, unlike some of the convoluted descriptions I've seen elsewhere.
Thanks!

Good to hear that straightened it out for you and thanks for the feedback. As always feedback helps me improve this for everyone.

Also as a note I will be building a batch of 10 USB ICS cables. I have already ordered the parts and hopefully will have them built by next weekend. They will be 35$ plus shipping ($4.95 USPS priority mail for the US). When I build them I will also take some pictures and post some details of how to build your own if you want.

Treadmule
2010.05.07, 06:52 PM
I just got a BNIB ASF Porsche 962, MR-02 LM chassis. I paired it with my tx, turned if off, then plugged in the ICS cable to get a look at the board's settings. When I hit the "Read" button, I was surprised to see the following:
Gain - Custom
Speed - Custom
Drive Freq. - Low

Looking at the Custom panel in the software revealed that the Gain was set at 200 and the Speed was set at 100. I was not expecting that and I wonder what it means, that the board is not set at default values. Those are "between" values, not presets as shown in Kyosho's own software for the PC. Very curious!

pinwc4
2010.05.07, 08:02 PM
I just got a BNIB ASF Porsche 962, MR-02 LM chassis. I paired it with my tx, turned if off, then plugged in the ICS cable to get a look at the board's settings. When I hit the "Read" button, I was surprised to see the following:
Gain - Custom
Speed - Custom
Drive Freq. - Low

Looking at the Custom panel in the software revealed that the Gain was set at 200 and the Speed was set at 100. I was not expecting that and I wonder what it means, that the board is not set at default values. Those are "between" values, not presets as shown in Kyosho's own software for the PC. Very curious!

That is very interesting. Like you said those are not values you can set with Kyosho's software. For Gain Mid translates to 100 and Strong is 255. And for Speed the option 4 is actually the value 40 and Fast is 255. Also the default values for the ASF board were Strong for Gain, Fast for Speed and Medium for Drive Freq.

Not sure what this means though.

pinwc4
2010.05.12, 11:32 PM
I have made my first USB ICS cable and wrote up how I built it. You can find the information here:

DIY USB ICS Cable (http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/FlipSideICS/wiki/DiyIcsAdaptors)

Unfortunately between when I made my order and now the 3 common places I order hardware from have no more stock. Mouser shows that the 5V USB TTL adapter will be in stock again in 2 weeks. I included information on how to build the adapter using a 3.3V USB TTL adapter but have not verified that it will actually work. I am building all of mine using the 5V version.

I plan on making 9 more of these, hopefully this weekend, and will post them for sale.

BrianMidnight
2010.05.13, 07:00 AM
I plan on making 9 more of these, hopefully this weekend, and will post them for sale.

Will the cable work with Windows 7 32 bit???

pinwc4
2010.05.13, 08:36 AM
Will the cable work with Windows 7 32 bit???

Yes, it is based on the FTDI chip and FTDI provides a Windows 7 32 bit compatible driver.

pinwc4
2010.05.13, 12:54 PM
The 5 volt USB to TTL adapter part is in stock again at SparkFun. I had checked last night and they were out of stock but got notified just a little bit ago. I updated the Wiki to point to the part from SparkFun

5 volt USB to TTL adapter from SparkFun (http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718)

I still need a good source for the connectors, Digi-Key requires you to buy 10 of them (they are only $0.05 each though) and 100 of the pins ( at $0.014, yes about a penny and a half). Plus Digi-Key has a service charge of $5 if the order is less than 25$. So if anyone knows of a good source for these connectors please let me know.

pinwc4
2010.05.16, 05:06 PM
I made a small batch of USB ICS cables and posted for sale on the project site. If you want to buy one use the link on the site:
http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/FlipSideICS/

This will allow me to keep track of my inventory.

pinwc4
2010.05.18, 06:42 PM
I made a minor software update. The latest version is now 0.28. I move controls slightly and added an application icon. There is also a Windows installer available now.

There were no functional changes with this build.

Flip Side ICS Software site (http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/FlipSideICS/)

How is this software working for people, I have seen many downloads but very little feedback.

PridgeoK
2010.06.02, 09:23 PM
Hi there.

I just received my custom USB cable and have given the software a quick try. I have two MR-02 ASF cars, so I wanted to verify whether the software was able to read & write properly, which it initially seems to be fine when the program starts up. What I've noticed right away is that if you switch cars while the program is still running, the second car doesn't seem to read properly. If I close the application down, then reload it, then read the second car reads properly (that is - without disconnecting / reconnecting the car from the USB cable and putting it into setup mode).

I verified each cars settings with screen-caps of each config as I had them initially - they were both different from one another, so it's easy to verify which is which when it reads the car config. If I have the program running, read the first car it's fine... I plug in the second car and get it into setup mode, then click "read" and it displays the first car's settings, even if I change something then re-"read" it...

Is this normal? I suspect this isn't typically an issue, since you're generally setting up one only car at a time anyway. It just means that if you're going to set up a second car (say... another racer's car), you have to remember to restart the software.

My system is a Windows XP 32bit OS.

Thanks,

Kevin.

PS: Very glad to finally be able to config my own car without having to bum the cable (and software) off of others. Thanks for your work on this!!

pinwc4
2010.06.03, 09:52 AM
Hi there.

I just received my custom USB cable and have given the software a quick try. I have two MR-02 ASF cars, so I wanted to verify whether the software was able to read & write properly, which it initially seems to be fine when the program starts up. What I've noticed right away is that if you switch cars while the program is still running, the second car doesn't seem to read properly. If I close the application down, then reload it, then read the second car reads properly (that is - without disconnecting / reconnecting the car from the USB cable and putting it into setup mode).

I verified each cars settings with screen-caps of each config as I had them initially - they were both different from one another, so it's easy to verify which is which when it reads the car config. If I have the program running, read the first car it's fine... I plug in the second car and get it into setup mode, then click "read" and it displays the first car's settings, even if I change something then re-"read" it...

Is this normal? I suspect this isn't typically an issue, since you're generally setting up one only car at a time anyway. It just means that if you're going to set up a second car (say... another racer's car), you have to remember to restart the software.

My system is a Windows XP 32bit OS.

Thanks,

Kevin.

PS: Very glad to finally be able to config my own car without having to bum the cable (and software) off of others. Thanks for your work on this!!

When you are unplugging the first car and then plugging in the second car are you also unplugging the USB cable from the computer? Right now the way the program works is it opens the COM port when the program is launched, if the USB cable were unplugged and then plugged back in while the program is running then it would probably no longer be able to communicate. The program never tries to open the COM port again after it is launched.

Regardless if that is the case or not what I think I need to do is change the software to close and open the port every time a command is sent. This way if things are being swapped around it should still be able to open up communication again.

One way you could test if this would help or not is after you switch cars and can not communicate try changing the COM port and then change it back to the correct one. If it can then communicate then the change I propose above should take care of the problem.

I will try a few ideas with my setup at home and see what I can come up with.

Glad to here the cable arrived fine and otherwise works for you. I will get this software bug sorted out.

pinwc4
2010.06.13, 11:04 PM
I have done another minor update to the software. Version 0.29 is available to download from the site.

Flip Side ICS Software site (http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/FlipSideICS/)

This version should allow you to unplug and plug in your ICS adapter while the program is running without having to close and reopen the program. The Windows and Linux GUI has been updated to match the Mac GUI and instead of using tabs there is now a button on the bottom of the program to switch between the standard drop downs and the advanced mode that allows you to modify all the values.

I still have a few of the USB ICS adapters for sale the web site as well.

Treadmule
2010.06.14, 01:42 AM
I noticed a couple of days ago, in the previous version, that profiles selected from the pop-up menu would not write to my MR03 and it appears to remain true with this new version as well. I can enter changes in the various fields and write to the car without difficulty and I can save those settings as a profile, but trying to write it to the car from the profile will not work. I don't know how far back this goes, but I only ran into it recently.

Thanks for this new version. It gets better with each release. :)

pinwc4
2010.06.14, 09:12 AM
I noticed a couple of days ago, in the previous version, that profiles selected from the pop-up menu would not write to my MR03 and it appears to remain true with this new version as well. I can enter changes in the various fields and write to the car without difficulty and I can save those settings as a profile, but trying to write it to the car from the profile will not work. I don't know how far back this goes, but I only ran into it recently.

Thanks for this new version. It gets better with each release. :)

What OS are you using the software one, OSX, Linux or Windows?

Does it write the wrong values or it just does no write operation at all?

Thanks for the feedback.

Treadmule
2010.06.14, 02:20 PM
[QUOTE=pinwc4;386121]What OS are you using the software one, OSX, Linux or Windows?

Does it write the wrong values or it just does no write operation at all?

Using OSX 10.6.3. Tried it on a MacBook and a MacBook Pro, both with the same OS version and got the same results. It apparently doesn't write anything at all.

If I delete my old profiles and save new ones, I can write those to the car from he pop-up.

pinwc4
2010.06.14, 08:23 PM
[QUOTE=pinwc4;386121]What OS are you using the software one, OSX, Linux or Windows?

Does it write the wrong values or it just does no write operation at all?

Using OSX 10.6.3. Tried it on a MacBook and a MacBook Pro, both with the same OS version and got the same results. It apparently doesn't write anything at all.

If I delete my old profiles and save new ones, I can write those to the car from he pop-up.

Very odd, I tried profiles and opening and closing the program and they write successfully. Do you have maybe a simple set of steps that you can take to reproduce the problem? Maybe you could send me your database file, fsicsdb, and I could try replicating the problem with your setup.

Treadmule
2010.06.15, 12:15 AM
Well, it's no longer an issue for me. I deleted my old profiles on both Macs and created new ones, so it's all working fine now. If my report is the only one, and you can't duplicate it, then it was probably something about my procedure or equipment that brought it on. For the record, here's an outline of the way I connect, so if you see anything wrong with it, please let me know:

- connect to the car, then connect to the computer
- use pairing stick (toothpick in my case) on the button on the PCB and turn on the car
- notice the bright red LED on the PCB is lit
- run your software
- verify the port connection
- verify the correct car-type
- read button
- select a profile from the pop-up
- write button
- default button
- read button
- verify the settings that just came from the car - some setting should be different unless the car is set for default.

That's the way I do it.

pinwc4
2010.06.15, 11:37 AM
Well, it's no longer an issue for me. I deleted my old profiles on both Macs and created new ones, so it's all working fine now. If my report is the only one, and you can't duplicate it, then it was probably something about my procedure or equipment that brought it on. For the record, here's an outline of the way I connect, so if you see anything wrong with it, please let me know:

- connect to the car, then connect to the computer
- use pairing stick (toothpick in my case) on the button on the PCB and turn on the car
- notice the bright red LED on the PCB is lit
- run your software
- verify the port connection
- verify the correct car-type
- read button
- select a profile from the pop-up
- write button
- default button
- read button
- verify the settings that just came from the car - some setting should be different unless the car is set for default.

That's the way I do it.

Good to know that resolved it but now that I think about it further I did fix a bug in previous versions that could cause the program to have a wrong default value for the header when the program was first opened. Most operations such as setting the car type or clicking the default button would set the value correctly. I think that bad value may have been written to your profile and so even though the new version no longer had the bug the program would use the bad value from the database.

Your process that you follow is good. Thanks for the help.

saddad
2010.10.03, 03:08 PM
hi jeremy ,
i've got the usb cable & software but i'm having trouble getting any thing to happen (windows vista 32 bit) when i plug the cable in i can se it in device manager (shows as a usb serial port #1) but every thing i tried doesnt seem to change any setings (i've followd all the advice i can find on here hold in pairing button turn on car red led lights plug lead into computer start software read change value write change value back then read again but nothing changes)if i turnthe car on with out doing anythin else the pairing lamp comes on & flashes any suggestion ?

pinwc4
2010.10.03, 08:47 PM
hi jeremy ,
i've got the usb cable & software but i'm having trouble getting any thing to happen (windows vista 32 bit) when i plug the cable in i can se it in device manager (shows as a usb serial port #1) but every thing i tried doesnt seem to change any setings (i've followd all the advice i can find on here hold in pairing button turn on car red led lights plug lead into computer start software read change value write change value back then read again but nothing changes)if i turnthe car on with out doing anythin else the pairing lamp comes on & flashes any suggestion ?

My first thought is if you have a serial port higher than 1 (usually COM3 or higher) try that instead. It is very rare that a USB serial device would be COM1. Depending on the ICS adapter you are using you may need to install a driver for Windows to fully recognize it as well. If you do not have a COM3 or higher most likely you are going to need to install a driver.

Treadmule
2010.10.12, 10:56 PM
Refer to this earlier post (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=383345#post383345) for background:
Today I received a BNIB MR-03 chassis set that I bought from the store here on their special. I took it out of the box, put some batteries in it, hooked it up to my Mac, powered it up with the pair button and launched the Flip Side ICS software. After setting up for the MR03 chassis, I immediately read the settings from chassis to see how it was set from the factory (I assume...). Then I hit the "Default" button to see if anything changed - and it did.

The Dead Band setting from the factory was set as "Narrow" while the default shows "Middle". All else was the same with no changes.

So, just to verify, I quit the program and ran the KO Propo ICSTuner software for Mac and it showed exactly the same scenario.

I still don't know what to make of this, but it's mildly unsettling :(

pinwc4
2010.10.13, 03:03 PM
Refer to prior post #33 for background:
Today I received a BNIB MR-03 chassis set that I bought from the store here on their special. I took it out of the box, put some batteries in it, hooked it up to my Mac, powered it up with the pair button and launched the Flip Side ICS software. After setting up for the MR03 chassis, I immediately read the settings from chassis to see how it was set from the factory (I assume...). Then I hit the "Default" button to see if anything changed - and it did.

The Dead Band setting from the factory was set as "Narrow" while the default shows "Mid". All else was the same with no changes.

So, just to verify, I quit the program and ran the KO Propo ICSTuner software for Mac and it showed exactly the same scenario.

I still don't know what to make of this, but it's mildly unsettling :(

Treadmule, thanks for this information it is interesting. First I did not know that Ko Propo made an ICS program compatible for the Mac. I had only looked at the Kyosho software. I guess I did not need to write my own app then. Oh well it was a useful learning experience regardless.

In regards to the factory settings I based my default settings on what the Kyosho software would send as a reset command for the MR-03. It seems odd that the cars would be coming from the factory with a different set of settings.

This along with your post #33 where you got an ASF car with custom settings is very strange. I have to wonder if these cars are always coming with a setup that is not the same as the default the ICS program would send?

Maybe I just need to change my programs defaults to reflect what is actually being shipped instead of based on the Kyosho software.

Has anyone else seen this behavior and did you get the same settings out of the box as Treadmule? I wish I bought cars often enough so I would notice something like this.............

Also are people getting value from this ICS program? I have heard almost no feedback even though I see around 30 downloads a month of the app.

Treadmule
2010.10.13, 04:05 PM
... First I did not know that Ko Propo made an ICS program compatible for the Mac. I had only looked at the Kyosho software. I guess I did not need to write my own app then. Oh well it was a useful learning experience regardless...

You were first, actually. The KO Propo version came out in early July. If you haven't taken a look at it, you might be surprised at how similar it is to your software. :)

Maybe I just need to change my programs defaults to reflect what is actually being shipped instead of based on the Kyosho software.

I don't know who is the "lead horse" is here, whether it's Kyosho or KO Propo, but if they're both using the same default settings, I'd stick with whatever they're doing. I'll post about this in KO Propo's vendor area and see what they have to say about it.

pinwc4
2010.10.13, 04:50 PM
You were first, actually. The KO Propo version came out in early July. If you haven't taken a look at it, you might be surprised at how similar it is to your software. :)

I just took a look and you are right, the similarities are a little suspicious. Though I can not take that much credit as I used the Kyosho software as a reference myself so there are going to be similarities. But it does look like I motivated Ko Propo to do better;)

I really wish Ko Propo and Kyosho would take their software more seriously. Computers are integral to parts of our hobby but neither company had been investing in that aspect. I am just 1 person doing this on the side. I started with 0 knowledge of ICS and it only took a days worth of work to build my own adapter, figure out the protocol, all the different car model differences and actually write a functional cross platform program. Hopefully this is a sign that they will be investing more time towards programming.



I don't know who is the "lead horse" is here, whether it's Kyosho or KO Propo, but if they're both using the same default settings, I'd stick with whatever they're doing. I'll post about this in KO Propo's vendor area and see what they have to say about it.

Let us know what you discover. Thanks for the help

babstar
2013.10.09, 08:07 PM
Hi,

I'm trying to get the software to work on mac osx however I seem to get no results. Software doesn't read or write at all. What i've done so far is install the ICS software, the FTDI drivers for mac osx (latest version) and followed the steps described above by Treadmule.

I know for certain that my chassis has non default settings because a while back I changed them on a windows machine with the standard software. But any port I choose nothing seems to happen, so it looks like its not reading.

Any idea's on which port I should be on?

btw I already checked in the sys info and the OS does recognize the ICS USB device.

*EDIT* I guess I have a driver issue, can't get the FTDI drivers to register in my OS. Also i don't see that these drivers already support osx 10.8.

Thanks

gustavol
2014.02.16, 12:38 AM
Hi dude, you can fix the svn?

Thanks.

pinwc4
2014.02.18, 11:09 PM
Hi dude, you can fix the svn?

Thanks.

It has been fixed. Sorry about that, moved things around on the server but forgot to update the links.

huge
2014.04.28, 06:56 AM
Hello,
i just made my own Bluetooth ICS Dongle based on an Arduino HC-06 BT-Module, unfortunatedly i cant establish a connection with your ICS Manager, i allways get the error, cant open port (Tried with COM 7, and COM 28). I am running the windows version. Same with the Kopropo sw.


My BT-Dongle itself works fine, tested with Android and Kyoshos pc software. I dont like neither of the software used because of the language, i only get so see strange signs.

Do you have any idea why is this hapening? Or how could i fix this?
Thank you!

By the way, great projects!

EDIT: I tried on a MAC from a freind, it worked. Still no success on the windows version. Error opening the selected Port!! Please HELP!!!!!