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Rune
2010.05.03, 04:56 PM
Has any of you tried these yet?

http://www.spiral-rcwebshop.com/soap/var/stock_img_out/54780101G2400108/LL/1.JPG
http://www.rc-pbm.com.fr/catalog/images/images_extra/MZW416-3.jpg
http://www.rc-pbm.com.fr/catalog/images/images_extra/MZW416-2.jpg

doug01n
2010.05.03, 05:16 PM
Not yet... is this available somewhere?

EMU
2010.05.05, 12:37 AM
MZW416 is the part number.

Skv012a
2010.05.05, 02:00 AM
Interesting for the stock spring setup.

Felix2010
2010.05.05, 08:32 AM
I have been running the stock spring setup since the 03's inception. I remember when the 03 came out, everybody I knew was running faster lap times with the 03 COMPLETELY STOCK!:D No carbon/fiberglass T-plate, stock black front springs - Just the rear suspension stock (PN pod + DDS). Now you'd be lucky to find more than a handful of guys not running Reflex's front "top-Shock" design front suspension on their 03's.:)

I have found that the 03 works great with the "Stock" front susp. design. Kyosho didn't design the 03 with no knowledge of front suspension. Mainly the the concern I've heard from people is softness of spring rates. There have been some new spring developments in springs from PN, Super-Soft and what-not. Combined with these new Kyosho front suspension dampers, even harder (Not super-hard, just slightly harder) springs might work better too.

I will be looking for this damping kit:D

doug01n
2010.05.05, 11:22 AM
Any chance of the top shocks be compatible with the PN upper arms? I saw a ball link that seems like will be conected to the upper arms.

pfcparts
2010.05.05, 05:42 PM
Doubt it.

PNs arm holes have an elliptical shape to them.
Also, take notice that there are no spring
perches on the arm itself to free the new
part up.

The 416 is a ball and socket design to be
used with K's own alum arms or the 416-01
pictured.

Looks like you'd have to glue the bottom to that
alum piece or it'd be able to get jarred loose.
Top doesn't look too secure either. Might be
more trouble than its worth.

More interested in their new brass gear than
anything else to be released soon, but this
looks interesting as I also prefer the original
03 config as opposed to the sprong over arm
set up.


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Felix2010
2010.05.06, 10:07 PM
More interested in their new brass gear than
anything else to be released soon, but this
looks interesting as I also prefer the original
03 config as opposed to the sprong over arm
set up.

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Off-topic: Pfc, What have you heard about this new brass gear? Is this a replacement servo gear to help eliminate servo gear breakage? Or it something else completely?

This K damper system does look kinda fragile now that I look at it again... I am still going to give it a try when it becomes available.:D You and I might be the only guys running the OEM front suspension config:D

pfcparts
2010.05.07, 08:02 PM
Gets pretty annoying if you have to switch springs, so I can
understand the preference for ease with the over arm set up.

Haven't been following releases that much anymore as I
have been pretty good about cutting back. I think the
gear is a direct replacement for the one stripping
with LiFe users and general use wear. Should be out
at the end of the month.

Seems pretty pricey for a single gear though...

I was hoping they'd release a full set of metal gears as in
some of the better micro servos out there, but I guess it'd
cost too much and would probably wear the motor out
faster.


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Mike Keely
2010.05.09, 08:37 PM
Where is the o-ring used?

EMU
2010.05.09, 08:41 PM
Where is the o-ring used?

I think those are preload spacers Mike... not o-rings.

arch2b
2010.10.15, 01:51 PM
guys, see the new r246 front end?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P1towCjW4q8/TLfKjoYyU3I/AAAAAAAAKFw/cFxwuwDnR2c/s1600/Mini-Z_6.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P1towCjW4q8/TLfKjX6qvCI/AAAAAAAAKFs/0gibj0KljXU/s1600/Mini-Z_5.jpg

images pulled from HERE. (http://kyoshosan.blogspot.com/)

EMU
2010.10.15, 01:54 PM
guys, see the new r246 front end?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P1towCjW4q8/TLfKjoYyU3I/AAAAAAAAKFw/cFxwuwDnR2c/s1600/Mini-Z_6.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P1towCjW4q8/TLfKjX6qvCI/AAAAAAAAKFs/0gibj0KljXU/s1600/Mini-Z_5.jpg

images pulled from HERE. (http://kyoshosan.blogspot.com/)

There is a thread about it here (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35222). It looks interesting, and worth trying...

arch2b
2010.10.15, 02:06 PM
ah, thanks. lets keep the topic over there :)

Traveler
2011.02.18, 03:32 PM
The 416 is a ball and socket design to be
used with K's own alum arms or the 416-01
pictured.

Looks like you'd have to glue the bottom to that
alum piece or it'd be able to get jarred loose.
Top doesn't look too secure either. Might be
more trouble than its worth.

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Back on topic,

Other than HERE (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35414&highlight=mzw416) and a couple of other places, I have seen very little about these Kyosho front dampers, maybe because of the $25 price tag. Any more feedback from users in general and specifically as it relates to potential weaknesses pointed out by parts above?

Also wondering about flex in arms that come with MZW416 compared to stock arms. They look the same except for the modification to accomodate the ball from the damper, so guess they will flex too much with added sticktion of this front end. If one then has to buy Kyosho's alloy arms (MZW415) at $35 to overcome this, it ends up being a pretty expensive front end option at over $60.

Thanks!

EMU
2011.02.18, 04:58 PM
Marwan, I had tried to send you an email from my phone regarding the arms, but I guess I closed the phone too fast after hitting send (habit from sendint txt messages) and it didnt send. The arms are different than stock, the piston is mounted to the arm with a ball at the end of the piston. I havent had any problems with the arms flexing that I can tell. I still prefer this setup when using inset springs, or in combination with outboard springs for a dual stage spring effect.

ocean rodeo
2011.02.18, 06:03 PM
So is it safe to say that the difference between the stock front suspension and this one is that having those collars allows you to set preload with a clip and the option to use a little lube?

Traveler
2011.02.18, 06:30 PM
Thanks EMU.

That sounds about right OR.

EMU
2011.02.18, 10:07 PM
You preload with the same shims used for the MR02... I use the ATM shims on mine so I can fine adjust the preload.