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pfcparts
2010.07.20, 10:20 PM
Deja Vu (http://www.egrracing.com/shop/94mm-wb-miniz-motor-pod-p-3869.html)?

Was browsing a few mins ago to see if I could
use the egr coupon for some items... :o


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color01
2010.07.21, 05:58 AM
Interesting. Judging on the picture (who knows if it's photoshopped) it's not exactly the same as the PN mount we know and love. The damper arm seems to be a little off where the post should mount to the arm; the motor mounting plate itself lacks countersinks to recess the screws; it looks like the left side of the mount is beefed up; the entire mount seems to have sharper edges than the PN unit.

I'm not going to buy one for the heck of it, but it's certainly worth an assessment, to see if this brand is for real (even if it seems they're copying a PN design).

Davey G
2010.07.21, 08:59 AM
Copy of other peoples parts on EGR Mart? Noooo....couldnt be. ;)

arch2b
2010.07.21, 11:55 AM
i like the price:)

Felix2010
2010.07.21, 12:48 PM
copy of other peoples parts on egr mart? Noooo....couldnt be. ;)

lmfao:d....

JuniorWKR
2010.07.21, 01:07 PM
its a cheap low blow from a business mans stand point... Childish if you ask me... way to be innovative and come out with something new for the mini-z community :rolleyes:....

Felix2010
2010.07.21, 01:39 PM
Have been thinking more about this product by Ximpact... I agree with Junior 100%. Philip and PN Racing have been the biggest influence on our community, IMHO at least. Even at $14.50 or whatever the Ximpact/PN 94mm mount costs I would rather spend $22 more and buy from the guy who has given so much more to us. Without PN, Mini-Z would be nowhere near what it is today. And the balls of Ximpact to use "PN Orange" for the copied 94mm mount? Really? Now I know why Philip is so secretive, I would be too.
Support PN I say, and don't fall for the low price. I have learned many a time over that "You get what you pay for". All my opinion of course...

pfcparts
2010.07.21, 02:09 PM
I don't follow other scales (losing interest in this scale
as well) so I don't know if egr does carry a bunch of
extra knock offs... I don't think they did before
especially at this scale...

When I saw the pic, I thought they started carrying
PN parts... Hitting the link I was surprised.

I dunno. If there is a knock off of a figure that I missed
and I really want it (no reissue in sight) I'd go for it as I
don't want to pay excessive prices to scalpers... It's
different here though since the product is readily available...

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I gave Phil a heads up... His reply is that it is the exact
same mount made by Atomic (under the ximpact name)
selling virtually at cost with no testing/development as a means
of sticking (or impacting) it to PN... Makes absolutely no sense
if it is true, (since Atomic is more than capable of making their
own stuff) but it definitely changes things if it is...


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lfisminiz
2010.07.21, 03:09 PM
Junior/Felix said it best. Id rather get the "REAL" PN product any day. Screw the cheap RIP OFFS. PN made the mini-z racing what it is today.

GO PN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

arch2b
2010.07.21, 09:14 PM
I'd rather buy the real thing as well but let's face it, for many, on parts are a premium brand and not within ever shrinking budgets. Copycats exist because there is always a market for the, for better or worse.

This is a bit of a mute point however if it is indeed an atomic part sold under a new brand. Kyosho is using 3 racing with a brand mark up so I is happening.

What gets confusing is the whole atomic/pm competition. Unless I don't have the full story its like cousins squabbling.

In the end, low budget productions meet thier own fate. Just look at gpm. They used to rule mini-z but are now nothing more than side story.

color01
2010.07.22, 04:33 AM
I gave Phil a heads up... His reply is that it is the exact
same mount made by Atomic (under the ximpact name)
selling virtually at cost with no testing/development as a means
of sticking (or impacting) it to PN... Makes absolutely no sense
if it is true, (since Atomic is more than capable of making their
own stuff) but it definitely changes things if it is...
That sounds downright horrendous, if true. :confused: What is there to gain from this move? I'm fairly certain that Mini-Z enthusiasts in Hong Kong/larger Asia also know about PN Racing, so the replica mount should be called out quite immediately... :confused:

arch2b
2010.07.22, 12:35 PM
atomic cloning pn and reselling under a new brand, is this the gist of it?

benmlee
2010.07.22, 07:25 PM
Seems like they put the 94mm mount on a CMM machine and made a drawing out of it. This should be banned at the World Cup.

Why can't they come up with their own designs. There are hundreds of ways to make a motor mount. Were they too lazy to come up with something new. Would be fine if you can come up with a new design to draw customers to you, but an exact copy?

If Atomic was indeed behind this, then is an underhanded way take out your competition. Atomic obviously don't want to make an exact copy of a PN part. Would not be good PR for them. Their brand is pretty large, and include many other products besides mini-z.

Guess the plan would be to create a new brand and sell your competition's product at or below cost to drive them out. Once your competition is out, then you can raise your price again. Not a good thing.

If this was a true new business, they would not be selling at or below cost. Otherwise, they would not be in business for long. There must be some deep pockets behind this.

arch2b
2010.07.22, 07:37 PM
We have already identified another brand that is cloning pn parts. I posted the question on the pn vendor forum.

At some point you have to assume it's the price of success. Especially with the apparent lax controls on copyrights, patents, etc.

Atomic-USA
2010.07.26, 08:04 AM
This has just come to my attention. I wish I saw this thread earlier.


I gave Phil a heads up... His reply is that it is the exact
same mount made by Atomic (under the ximpact name)
selling virtually at cost with no testing/development as a means
of sticking (or impacting) it to PN... Makes absolutely no sense
if it is true, (since Atomic is more than capable of making their
own stuff) but it definitely changes things if it is...


The Ximpact line of products are not made by Atomic. Philip Ng needs to correct himself and stop lying to the public for his own gain.

Below are photos of the motor pods Atomic produces and carries. There is nothing special about the PN 94mm mount that Atomic would care about.

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR138B.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR-271.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR-264.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR220.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR222.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR221.jpg

vs.

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/ximpact/XIP004.jpg

*One can clearly see the difference in design concepts

Atomic-USA
2010.07.26, 08:27 AM
Copy of other peoples parts on EGR Mart? Noooo....couldnt be. ;)

EGR carries many brands and products; similar to RCKenon. Both merchants are not obligated to sell only their personal inventions. I can site a few items from RCKenon that are copies of other people's products. Please stop the bias.

Tjay
2010.07.26, 12:50 PM
although I have been out for a while, I have been checking this site on a daily basis...

both companies have no patent on most of their products. Noone is at fault. Buy what you like and support your LHS.

PNracing
2010.07.26, 02:06 PM
This has just come to my attention. I wish I saw this thread earlier.



The Ximpact line of products are not made by Atomic. Philip Ng needs to correct himself and stop lying to the public for his own gain.

Below are photos of the motor pods Atomic produces and carries. There is nothing special about the PN 94mm mount that Atomic would care about.

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR138B.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR-271.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR-264.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR220.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR222.jpg

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/atomic/AR221.jpg

vs.

http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/ximpact/XIP004.jpg

*One can clearly see the difference in design concepts

Mr Sai Tam,

I received this new motor pod information from an ATOMIC DEALER and DISTRIBUTOR in the world. This dealer told me that this literature came from the ATOMIC STAFF not EGR.

I can also do the same thing. I can make a new packing card and company name, call it Xatomic, and have my (PN) own factory make it but deny that it was made by PN.

I donít want to spend too much time on this topic. Customers know the truth.


Philip Ng
PN Racing Products

Davey G
2010.07.26, 02:09 PM
EGR carries many brands and products; similar to RCKenon. Both merchants are not obligated to sell only their personal inventions. I can site a few items from RCKenon that are copies of other people's products. Please stop the bias.

Show me. Curious to know.

I think what PFC was trying to say is that the ximpact motor mount looks just like the PN mount but is made by Atomic. (not sure if its true)

So I am wrong for stating that EGR has a TON of copy cat stuff on there site?

When is the Atomic tri shock, and reverse kingpin setup coming out?

PNracing
2010.07.26, 02:52 PM
Show me. Curious to know.

I think what PFC was trying to say is that the ximpact motor mount looks just like the PN mount but is made by Atomic. (not sure if its true)

So I am wrong for stating that EGR has a TON of copy cat stuff on there site?

When is the Atomic tri shock, and reverse kingpin setup coming out?

Keep your eyes open, one CAT staff just bought my LCG V4 98mm Motor Mount in Hong Kong hobby shop 3 weeks ago, may be they buy for look ONLY.:p

EMU
2010.07.26, 04:39 PM
When is the Atomic tri shock, and reverse kingpin setup coming out?

ATM had tri-shock for an RM damper a long time ago. If ATM does develop a tri-damper, and I hope they do, I wouldnt want it to be a copy of a PN part. I would want it to be developed with their own mount and concept.

Copies of parts dont help the industry as a whole, they hurt it. If it is an ATM produced part, sold under a different name, they are also hurting the sale of their own mounts, as a buyer would buy the Ximpact mount instead of PN or ATM offerings.

I dont want to get too involved in this discussion, but exact copies of parts sold at drastically reduced prices hurt the market however you look at it.