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briankstan
2010.11.09, 04:25 PM
here is the track to run.


http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30927&d=1291071799

track will be open for the entire month of December. All clubs are welcome to run the track, no registration or fee for the Big track Events.

Classes, will be as follows:

Racer (follows HFAY current rules)
Formula 1 (follows HFAY current rules)
Modified Open (open 1/28ths scale)


I have recieved times from the following clubs:

Stafford Racers UK
MiniZšta Sweden
MBMZR
Ann Arbor
Mini-AZ
Remnant Mini-Z Club
DC GTG
CMZ El Salvador
Stafford Racers UK
RC Kenon
Chicago Mini RC
Radical Rides Sweden
Atomic Collective Singapore

chris b
2010.11.09, 06:35 PM
I know we are in a different time zone in the uk (and the clocks went back last week) but june?:D

Chris

briankstan
2010.11.09, 06:46 PM
I know we are in a different time zone in the uk (and the clocks went back last week) but june?:D

Chris

good catch Chris, I've fixed it.

ChiMiniRc
2010.11.10, 10:13 AM
My submissions :)

I like the last one as it gives the Open class a chance to open up the cars.
I like the 2nd and 3rd one as they give a little more room to marshal.



http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/th_CMRC-1.png (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/?action=view&current=CMRC-1.png)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/th_CMRC-2.png (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/?action=view&current=CMRC-2.png)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/th_CMRC-3.png (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/?action=view&current=CMRC-3.png)

briankstan
2010.11.10, 10:29 AM
Thanks for the submissions. all 3 are nice. I like the 1st one the best.

ChiMiniRc
2010.11.10, 10:34 AM
Thanks for the submissions. all 3 are nice. I like the 1st one the best.

As you can see, I'm hung up on that double wide sweeper on the left side. Not so sure about the s-curve using a wide curve as it may be a waste of a wide curve.

I kept wishing I could go 9 or 10 tiles wide to decrease the amount of 180 degree hairpin turns.

efsee
2010.11.15, 09:09 AM
Here is another option for consideration. Sorry but I don't know how to post an icon for it.

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30881&d=1289829955

ChiMiniRc
2010.11.19, 02:10 PM
I was hoping to print flyers with the track layout for big prize races throughout December.

Do you think a layout can be chose by Tuesday of next week?
That way I can have flyers reader for passing out Thanksgiving weekend.

briankstan
2010.11.21, 01:17 PM
I was hoping to print flyers with the track layout for big prize races throughout December.

Do you think a layout can be chose by Tuesday of next week?
That way I can have flyers reader for passing out Thanksgiving weekend.

yep, we can do that. If anyone has any opinions lets hear them. Otherwise I'm just going pick of of the 4 that are posted. My personal favorite is the last one posted by efsee. :)

imxlr8ed
2010.11.22, 08:32 AM
Modded that one a bit to conform to my basement a bit better... doesn't really change the flow too much. I'm hoping for a bit of a reunion of us old, dusty PA MiniZers... would be good to get it done with HFAY again. :D

briankstan
2010.11.23, 09:02 AM
Greg, if you need to print out the fliers, use this track, it's the one we will use.

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30894&d=1290432793

imxlr8ed
2010.11.23, 10:01 AM
Thanks Brian!

ChiMiniRc
2010.11.23, 10:11 AM
[QUOTE=briankstan;398467]Greg, if you need to print out the fliers, use this track, it's the one we will use.

Thank you!

tudor_47
2010.11.23, 02:49 PM
MiniZata Will participate in this BTE#5,
Thanks for organizing this!

/Johnny, www.MiniZata.com

pnracingsweden
2010.11.25, 03:50 PM
RadicalRides will race as well!
/Jocke

kromie101
2010.11.28, 02:14 PM
jocke,does magnus race with you guys?

efsee
2010.11.29, 06:01 PM
Gentelmen, there seems to be a problem with the proposed HFAY BTE #5 track layout, as we would be short 2 straight tiles! Following is the Track Designer window screen.

efsee
2010.11.29, 06:06 PM
Following is a new proposal adding the 4th large radius inside turn in order to gain the 2 straight tiles needed, and still considering imxlr8ed basement restriction.

yasuji
2010.11.29, 08:51 PM
so which track is it?.... so-cal mini-z will be runnig this event as well!:cool:

dahlis
2010.11.30, 06:16 AM
jocke,does magnus race with you guys?

No Iīm not.

BTW had a really good time in Myrtle beach with you guys. I really hope we meet again.

imxlr8ed
2010.11.30, 10:40 AM
Good catch! Thanks for the consideration.
Never figured that someone in El Salvador would have to consider the support pole in my basement. :D

Thanks!

briankstan
2010.11.30, 10:57 AM
Let's go with this one. Sorry I didn't check the tile count prior. :o

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30927&d=1291071799

yasuji
2010.11.30, 11:34 AM
sweet!.... there should be quite a few running this one from so-cal....

briankstan
2010.11.30, 11:49 AM
ok wait.... that is the original....

I fixed it, I copied the wrong one.

hrdrvr
2010.11.30, 12:51 PM
Haha, I am looking at my phone at the original, but here at this modfied one, lol. Man, I really liked the chicane at the end of the straight on the first one. I wish we could have just shortened the straightaway a tile length and left the rest the same. This will be cool though :D

Grant, I cant wait to see how you guys do on the small track this time around. I think last time y'all ran Drew edged me out by a smidge :D There are a lot more fast clubs running than what did back then, so itll bve neat to see how y'all stack up this time.

kromie101
2010.11.30, 06:37 PM
dahlis,it was good to meet you also. are you gonna try and and run the hfay? talk to ya soon.

grant, maybe i'll run the 33 turn you gave me on the hfay:eek::D. i wish:). thanks for the motor.

ChiMiniRc
2010.12.01, 03:05 PM
So We've finalized the track. Curious, can we alter the "Modified Class" rules to allow for any battery configuration?

The reason I ask is because I'd like to run the new chassis I received at iHobby in October. It is primarily configured for 2 LiFe cells.


http://files.chiminirc.com/system_preview_detail_200000109-6079c61d34-public/image031.jpg

briankstan
2010.12.01, 03:32 PM
So We've finalized the track. Curious, can we alter the "Modified Class" rules to allow for any battery configuration?

The reason I ask is because I'd like to run the new chassis I received at iHobby in October. It is primarily configured for 2 LiFe cells.


http://files.chiminirc.com/system_preview_detail_200000109-6079c61d34-public/image031.jpg

whats the scale? is it 1/28th? if so then you can run it. the class is an Open 1/28th scale. :)

ChiMiniRc
2010.12.01, 03:36 PM
whats the scale? is it 1/28th? if so then you can run it. the class is an Open 1/28th scale. :)


It is 1:28 scale.
The manual for BTE #4 listed the following under the modified class.

Nickel Metal Hydride AAA size batteries only. 4 cells only! (Any brand)

briankstan
2010.12.01, 03:40 PM
I see, I forgot that was listed in the Open class.

Anyone object to Greg running this chassis with the LiFe batteries? I don't have a problem with it.

imxlr8ed
2010.12.01, 04:03 PM
I'm all for it... opening up the battery rule for Mod class is the next logical step.

I didn't think we'd see an all new chassis for a while but it was bound to happen. Right now, Stock class is dominated by Kyosho (Mod too). IMO, if a new manufacturer comes along with an out of the box RTR that is readily available and utilizes newer cell technologies... we might have to open Stock up as well.

This newer chassis is only in the hands of the few and rare so far but if it does take off and it starts showing up at races, it will only be a matter of time then.

The 70t Spec motor is the limitation in Stock... I think this has already proven to be the best way to keep everyone close.

I have been wondering about the 80t motors though... maybe that will give us a better separation between the classes? That's a whole other discussion though.

ChiMiniRc
2010.12.01, 04:13 PM
My Theory is this, Most of us would agree that Lipo and LiFe isn't a requirement in 1:28 as a set of NiMH and a fast motor is all you need.

Rooster29
2010.12.01, 04:47 PM
Why not? In my opinion I say go for it. It's nice to have a possible option when they become available in the future for those who decide to give this new chasis a try with Lipo or LiFe batteries. I'm interested to hear how it does.

ChiMiniRc
2010.12.01, 05:22 PM
Why not? In my opinion I say go for it. It's nice to have a possible option when they become available in the future for those who decide to give this new chasis a try with Lipo or LiFe batteries. I'm interested to hear how it does.

Now I just wish one of the top 10 HFAY racers could visit the club to drive this thing. My skills only have me in 43rd so far. I'd love too see someone at the top pilot this thing.

Anyone planning on doing their BTE after Dec. 12th? Perhaps I can ship it out to you for your clubs upcoming event.
Perhaps someone from the Washington DC GTG?

kromie101
2010.12.01, 06:53 PM
chiminirc, i did finish 2nd in mod and stock,but i'm in myrtle beach. i know our small group would love to check it out:D. mike keely is usually on here and he lives in the DC area. he did win both mod and stock, he would be your go to guy if he takes you up on the offer:). after he gets his hand on it, send it our way:D:D. the offer stands if no one else takes you up on the offer. good luck,eric:)

tudor_47
2010.12.02, 02:47 AM
I see no problem in him driving with the life cells.

We are also dirving in the OPEN class as we drive P28's and we use foam tires usually.

I hope to see more Lipo cells for 1:28 cars..

/Johnny, for MiniZšta Sweden

hobbycar
2010.12.04, 10:12 PM
FYI, the Ann Arbor club is planning on doing this event.

I'll have to read the rules and get my car(s) back up to HFAY spec. And make sure everyone else in our club does the same :D

-hobbycar

hobbycar
2010.12.12, 05:59 PM
So this is the track we are running right? (Just took it from Briankstan's post and trimmed it down).

-hobbycar

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31001&stc=1&d=1292194776

Mike Keely
2010.12.12, 08:29 PM
I know the rules say no big wings. Does this mean in Mod also?

hobbycar
2010.12.12, 10:04 PM
Classes, will be as follows:

Racer (follows HFAY current rules)
Formula 1 (follows HFAY current rules)
Modified Open (open 1/28ths scale)

Where should we be looking for the current rules to use for HFAY BTE #5?

HFAY Season 10 Racer Point Series (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/PointSeries/Season10/RacerPointSeries/tabid/204/Default.aspx)
HFAY Season 10 F1 Point Series (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/PointSeries/Season10/Formula1PointSeries/tabid/210/Default.aspx)

Or HFAY Big Track Event #4 (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/HFAYLargeTrackEvent/LargeTrackEvent4/tabid/202/Default.aspx) from June 2010?

-hobbycar

ACT
2010.12.12, 11:42 PM
Singapore is in for HFAY BTE 5.

Please kindly advise

1. Final Track layout
2. Final submission of results

:)

Let's race guys

hrdrvr
2010.12.13, 08:33 AM
Let's go with this one. Sorry I didn't check the tile count prior. :o

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30927&d=1291071799

This is the final one that Brian said go with. I hope this is the one, cause I ran on it last Friday night! I won't have another shot at racing this month, so my guys were kind enough to run 10 minute mains for me :D

I got in for all three classes, and had good runs in all of them. I ran nearly flawless in Mod (not all that fast though :D), but the one time I bumped the wall, I got hit from behind and got flipped. I lost a whole lap on my lid :( As close as every has been in recent BTEs, that'll probably cost me a few spots :(

BrianMidnight
2010.12.13, 08:04 PM
This is the final one that Brian said go with. I hope this is the one, cause I ran on it last Friday night! I won't have another shot at racing this month(

Thats the one Stafford Racers UK used on Sunday and again we don't race again this month, so fingers crossed it's the right one.

Mike Keely
2010.12.13, 08:29 PM
On the BTE's the mains are 10 minutes.

Mike Keely
2010.12.13, 08:37 PM
Where should we be looking for the current rules to use for HFAY BTE #5?

HFAY Season 10 Racer Point Series (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/PointSeries/Season10/RacerPointSeries/tabid/204/Default.aspx)
HFAY Season 10 F1 Point Series (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/PointSeries/Season10/Formula1PointSeries/tabid/210/Default.aspx)

Or HFAY Big Track Event #4 (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/HFAYLargeTrackEvent/LargeTrackEvent4/tabid/202/Default.aspx) from June 2010?

-hobbycar

Use the BTE #4 link. I saw that we can not use big wings.http://hfay.tinyrc.com/portals/0/files/Manuals/BTE_4_HFAY_Manual.pdf

Mike Keely
2010.12.13, 10:05 PM
OK, after posting the no big wings post I am getting questions. Is this allowed? This is what is posted on PN Racing's site.

All rear wing comes with the body may be installed according to the no height limited. Custom wings allow to use on the body, according to the height limited 45mm from the ground.

If this is allowed in PN racing rules I feel that this fits in the no big wing rule. What do you say Brian?

briankstan
2010.12.14, 08:56 AM
OK, after posting the no big wings post I am getting questions. Is this allowed? This is what is posted on PN Racing's site.

All rear wing comes with the body may be installed according to the no height limited. Custom wings allow to use on the body, according to the height limited 45mm from the ground.

If this is allowed in PN racing rules I feel that this fits in the no big wing rule. What do you say Brian?


I answered this in a few PM's. As long as they meet the PNWC rules for height I think they are OK to run. :)

Mike Keely
2010.12.14, 10:18 PM
Thanks Brian. MK

Mike Keely
2010.12.14, 10:21 PM
Matt, can you make some kind of a gauge to check the 45mm limit? Thanks

VAzRACER
2010.12.14, 10:37 PM
Matt, can you make some kind of a gauge to check the 45mm limit? Thanks

I'll see if I can get something together. We can always just use my calipers and a table edge, thats how I check all mine anyways.

Mike Keely
2010.12.14, 10:51 PM
I was thinking something as simple as a block of wood with a 45mm section cut out of one end.

VAzRACER
2010.12.14, 11:38 PM
I was thinking something as simple as a block of wood with a 45mm section cut out of one end.

Exactly, I should have time to throw something together. It needs to have a leg on both sides to be 100% acurate.

tudor_47
2010.12.19, 04:53 PM
Brian,
you should have the results from MiniZšta Sweden in you inbox.

Thanks!
Johnny, MiniZšta

ACT
2010.12.19, 11:03 PM
Hi,

When is the last day for results to be submitted?

Singapore is planning the HFAY race.

Regards

briankstan
2010.12.20, 10:27 AM
please have them submitted by January 2nd, then I can get the results up on the 3rd.

briankstan
2010.12.20, 10:30 AM
I have modifed post #1 with the results I have received.

imxlr8ed
2010.12.21, 04:59 PM
I did have to modify an expansion tile to fit this into my basement. Had to cut around the support pole so we did lose a bit of acreage on the one turn. Just 3 results from my club this time around... still had fun though!

I have this strange feeling that I was 10-20 laps off of whatever the top results will be. :rolleyes: I should have the results to you by Monday Brian.

Mike Keely
2010.12.21, 09:54 PM
Hi Brian, I just sent the results from Washington DC GTG and Remnants Mini-Z Club.

briankstan
2010.12.29, 09:53 AM
Hi Brian, I just sent the results from Washington DC GTG and Remnants Mini-Z Club.

thansk, I've received them.

I'll update the first post with the times I've received.

Mike Keely
2010.12.29, 06:24 PM
thansk, I've received them.

I'll update the first post with the times I've received.

You will see that Matt is back and kicked our butts! He beat us in stock and modified. I guess that I am lucky he didn't run F1 also.:DLOL

yasuji
2010.12.31, 03:11 AM
HFAY BTE 5! SO-CAL MINI-Z
we just ran our event @ rckenon
i will submit our time tomorrow.... was a long day! biggest event since the socal pnwc regionals! 9 drivers in 70t stock and 6 drivers in mod!
good fun was had by all with some returning drivers from other scales!.
good times!:D

yasuji
2010.12.31, 12:26 PM
results submitted:D

briankstan
2010.12.31, 01:57 PM
results submitted:D

thanks Grant, I've got them.

ChiMiniRc
2010.12.31, 08:43 PM
Chicago Mini R/C results submitted for stock "racer". We didn't run OPEN.

briankstan
2011.01.01, 01:46 AM
Chicago Mini R/C results submitted for stock "racer". We didn't run OPEN.


Got you times, thanks.

mugler
2011.01.01, 09:21 PM
Got you times, thanks.

Have the results from Yasuji's submission been posted yet and if so can someone post a link. Thanks.

PS - My first time running HFAY format & was a fun should do it soon again.

yasuji
2011.01.01, 10:49 PM
Have the results from Yasuji's submission been posted yet and if so can someone post a link. Thanks.

PS - My first time running HFAY format & was a fun should do it soon again.

results will be posted on the 3rd!

briankstan
2011.01.02, 01:17 PM
if everyone has their times in I can have them posted tonight.

briankstan
2011.01.02, 01:20 PM
I did have to modify an expansion tile to fit this into my basement. Had to cut around the support pole so we did lose a bit of acreage on the one turn. Just 3 results from my club this time around... still had fun though!

I have this strange feeling that I was 10-20 laps off of whatever the top results will be. :rolleyes: I should have the results to you by Monday Brian.

Ed, did you send results in? I don't have them can you resend.

thanks.

imxlr8ed
2011.01.02, 08:48 PM
Sent in earlier today to your SL address... I'll send agian now.

briankstan
2011.01.02, 08:49 PM
I have posted the results for the HFAY Big Track Event # 5. We had a great turn out with 89 drivers in the stock class, 55 in the Open Class, and 22 in F1.

I want to thank all those that participated and I look forward to the next one. Looks like the guys from So-Cal and RC Kenon took top honors this time around in Stock and Open Classes and Landon from MBMZR finally got the BTE win in F1. Great job to every we are glad to have you all participating. :)

HFAY Big Track Event # 5 Results (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/HFAYLargeTrackEvent/LargeTrackEvent5/tabid/233/Default.aspx)

yasuji
2011.01.02, 09:23 PM
awesome event and good times.... rckenon had very little grip and was very hard for me to drive on my best lap in the race was 5.529! however i had set the track record earlier in the afternoon @ 5.43... chad chose to run gt mod 94 wb and i had decided to get more wheel time on my PN lexan pancar even tho my gt car was far more consistent and almost as fast:cool:cant wait till the next one!
back to the track tomorrow to get ready for the mini nationals!:D

mugler
2011.01.03, 01:14 AM
Definitely looking forward to next HFAY event, this is a fun package all around with the rankings system and all. The attraction is, it would be interesting for any racer to see if they'll do better or worst next time than others on the list assuming they participate as well...good stuff and thanks for the results.

hrdrvr
2011.01.03, 08:04 AM
Thanks for the rec B!! A win has been very elusive for me with multiple top fives and a couple of seconds :D The competition gets stronger with each BTE, so it was important for me to get one before too many people who are a lot faster than me start participating, lol.

Even with the elevated competition, our club still did really well. 8 top tens in the 3 classes! The Remnant guys and west coast guys were flying! I need to get more practice with more motor. I thought the 70t would be the fastest motor on a layout this small and tight. It looks like we were part of the minority running them in open, and there were a lot of people who went a LOT faster than us :D

Thanks for putting this on! It's always great fun, and I look forward to the next one!

To every one who participated, thanks for competing! I hope you all run the next one, and tell your friends about it, so they run too ;)

briankstan
2011.01.03, 10:39 AM
yea, everyone did great and the participation was fantastic. We (Salt Lake Mini-z) were a bit unlucky as we lost our race location at the end of November and this track didn't fit in my basement so we didn't get to run it.

kromie101
2011.01.03, 07:44 PM
really cool to see that many people running hfay. congrats to the winners. you guys were flying:cool:. just makes me wanna try and push more to go faster:D.

gotta give mad props to my little guys collin and griffin my boys tour it up:D. collin is only 13 and griffin is 11. you boys did awesome,dads proud of you guys:cool::D.

good run also gary jr,way to go:).

slow down grant:D.

thanks for doing this brian:cool:.

cya ,eric

Mike Keely
2011.01.03, 08:58 PM
Congrats to the winners!!!

My stock cars board went up and I had a new board to put in it but the new board was bad also brand new out of the package. I ended up putting a stock motor in my mod car and ran it in stock and mod both. Just like at the PN Worlds race my body came off and it had tape on it also. That cost me a chance at running for the top place. I lost two laps getting it put back on. Matt and I where very equal in stock. Gary Jr was gone at the start and made a few mistakes that let Matt catch up and take the lead on the last lap. Gary had the fastest lap in stock if I remember correctly. I only TQ'd over Gary Jr by 1 second and Matt was .1 second behind Gary Jr in the third qualifing position.


Matt and Mike Gee where a lot faster then me in mod but I got a very clean start. At one time I had two laps on Mike but he came back to make the laps up and got in front of me at the end.

Having that step over on the end of the straight cost a bunch of people spots in the finishing order I am sure. Not a easy track to stay clean and make fast laps on.

My day started out very bad but after the great qualifiers and even better mains it ended up to be a lot of fun and I think the rest of the racers had fun also. Thanks Brian and everyone else that came out to run the race.

mugler
2011.01.03, 09:45 PM
Having that step over on the end of the straight cost a bunch of people spots in the finishing order I am sure. Not a easy track to stay clean and make fast laps on.



LOL... that step was talk of the night, i though my car was going to Marry that step, it kissed it enough times:p I only run ASC bodies and once i switched to SC430 Lexus everything started flowing better including clearing that section.
Curious to know which bodies were working best for everyone at other tracks?

VAzRACER
2011.01.03, 10:06 PM
I used a F430 in stock and a 07 350z at 96mm in mod. I put the 350z on for this race, I normally use a Mosler on my mod.

rensuchan
2011.01.04, 05:00 PM
I'm amazed that there are people so quick out there... if I had run my best lap of the day for the entire 10 minutes I still would have only managed 80 laps. Lapping in 6.6s average per lap is amazing to me.

I wish I could have watched some of these top guys live.

ChiMiniRc
2011.01.04, 05:22 PM
I'm amazed that there are people so quick out there... if I had run my best lap of the day for the entire 10 minutes I still would have only managed 80 laps. Lapping in 6.6s average per lap is amazing to me.

I wish I could have watched some of these top guys live.

Same here, fastest lap was 7.5 so about 80 laps. We are assuming that they never crashed. Anyone able to upload EACH laptime? I have to assume your fastest lap was much faster than the average. Or did you NEVER crash into each other?

chad508
2011.01.04, 06:37 PM
one thing you have to keep in mind is the track itself. some track just create more grip allow the car to scrub less resulting in faster laps. plus the guys at the top are some of the best. it was hard for me to believe a layout could be that much different from track to track but i have noticed it first hand at the pn regionals for the past 2 years. ive been to both myrtle beach and majs for the past 2 years and lap times are way different.

geeunit1014
2011.01.04, 06:40 PM
LOL... that step was talk of the night, i though my car was going to Marry that step, it kissed it enough times:p I only run ASC bodies and once i switched to SC430 Lexus everything started flowing better including clearing that section.
Curious to know which bodies were working best for everyone at other tracks?

I ran a Mosler @ 96mm for my mod.

I hit probably every wall in the track the first 5 minutes, I made a tire change for the main and the car was very aggressive up front. After a while the tires warmed up and lost the edge, then I was able to put my head down and try to make up ground.

My fastest lap was a 5.80 in the main, and it was the fastest for the day for the Remnant/DC guys. Grip was coming up all day, I wish we couldve had more than just the one day on the layout, then I may have had something for Grant and Chad :D

What was everyone's hot lap for stock? IIRC Gary Jr had a 6.0 in the main :eek:

kromie101
2011.01.04, 07:22 PM
you guys were rollin with the hotlaps:D. best we got down to was a 6.2 and that was driving about 1/16 of an inch off the wall:D.i ran a mosler at 98mm and collin ran his LM at 102mm. i wonder if running a 94 or a 96mm car would have been faster? i was on a 89 lap run till my batts died on me:o. i won't run them again;):D.that was a 70t also.

i do agree with chad,different tracks in other areas have different traction.those guys at the top are the best in the world and they don't make mistakes:D,and did i mention super fast:cool::D. it was fun:).

yasuji
2011.01.04, 08:42 PM
my mean time was 6.148 chads was 6.377at one point i was on a 98 lap pace.... wondering if i could bump it to 100;)

Mike Keely
2011.01.04, 08:57 PM
my mean time was 6.148 chads was 6.377at one point i was on a 98 lap pace.... wondering if i could bump it to 100;)

How many days did most of you have the track set up for racing?

kromie101
2011.01.04, 08:59 PM
there's no doubt in my mind you could:D. when you run that nuclear powered batteries and that big block motor backed by some bad azz ninja stealth skills:p:D.:).

Mike Keely
2011.01.04, 09:09 PM
I know it doesn't count but I ran the same car in stock and mod. Can I switch my times from my mod run to my stock run!!!LOL:D

imxlr8ed
2011.01.04, 09:59 PM
If I can switch my lap count with one of yours... :rolleyes:

Ok... I really need to get racing more. My skills have dropped like a bomb over the past year or so! (insert diminishing whistle noise here)

I'm pretty sure it's a combo of everyone just getting that much more tuned and me... getting less tuned.

It'll be a challenge to even catch up now... but that's the fun of it (I guess!) :D

geeunit1014
2011.01.04, 11:22 PM
you guys were rollin with the hotlaps:D. best we got down to was a 6.2 and that was driving about 1/16 of an inch off the wall:D.i ran a mosler at 98mm and collin ran his LM at 102mm. i wonder if running a 94 or a 96mm car would have been faster? i was on a 89 lap run till my batts died on me:o. i won't run them again;):D.that was a 70t also.


Gary Jr was running a Murcielago/98mm im pretty sure, and Matt was running a F430/94mm for stock. Gary was the fastest car in the main, just made some costly mistakes at the end of the run. Keely was running an Enzo/98mm for both classes, and he was fast in mod all day as well. Personally, I feel a 94mm is the best for stock, and 94/96 for mod on a tight track like the HFAY tracks (even the BTE is still small compared to say a track like Maj's or PNWC tracks). You just cant beat the rotation you get with shorter wheelbases on small tracks.

yasuji
2011.01.05, 12:05 AM
How many days did most of you have the track set up for racing?

i built the bte layout the thurs b4 xmas and ran the bte race the thurs b4 newyears....we normal race on friday but it was the "eves":)

hrdrvr
2011.01.05, 08:05 AM
Same here, fastest lap was 7.5 so about 80 laps. We are assuming that they never crashed. Anyone able to upload EACH laptime? I have to assume your fastest lap was much faster than the average. Or did you NEVER crash into each other?

I'm working on getting our A-Main lap times posted up. I don't know if we were fast enough for you, but I never mind sharing anyway. Maybe this will get some others to share theirs as well :D To answer your question though, I was slow compared to most of the top runners. I only hit a 6.5 for my hotlap in stock, and a high 6.4 in mod with the same car. I was as close as I was to them at the end because of clean driving. In the mod race I spent a lap on my lid, but outside of that I had no major stoppages, and only short ones a couple of times in each race. I can probably post video soon if any one is interested too.

Stock A-Main
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/Club%20Race%20Results/2011-01-05_07-39-30_762.jpg
http://s671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/Club%20Race%20Results/?action=view&current=2011-01-05_07-39-44_96.jpg

Mod A-Main
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/Club%20Race%20Results/2011-01-05_07-41-08_949.jpg
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/Club%20Race%20Results/2011-01-05_07-40-45_821.jpg

F1 A-Main
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/Club%20Race%20Results/2011-01-05_07-41-51_707.jpg



What was everyone's hot lap for stock? IIRC Gary Jr had a 6.0 in the main :eek:

6.0 is bonkers!! I can imagine going that fast on this layout. Y'all must have a tad more traction than us typically. I am usually kind of close to Matt on hot laps when he races down here, but the last couple races y'all have been over a half second faster than us. I did a 6.4 with a 70t.


How many days did most of you have the track set up for racing?

We set up the first layout, and had it down for a couple of practice days. We set up the actual layout the same week of the event, and had very little practice/tune time on it. I think I suffered a bit more on the car side though, as the car I ran was built the same day of the race. I ended up running both classes with all the same springs and lubes I built the car with, without a single change. I definitely could have squeezed another .1 or so with some tires, and maybe fine tuned more out with some tweaking. I just didn't have the time.....Actually we ran this pretty early in December, and I still haven't touched the car.....No time for Zs around the holidays with two young kids ;)


I know it doesn't count but I ran the same car in stock and mod. Can I switch my times from my mod run to my stock run!!!LOL:D

Me too! I built the car with intent to run, and it handles so differently than anything else I had, I decided to run it in both classes. I don't run mod much anyway, so I was WAY more comfortable with the 70t. Oddly enough in mod, I spent an entire lap on my lid, made a few more mistakes than I did in stock, and still ended up only a half second behind that run.

I think every one from our crew ran 70ts in mod. Top ten isn't to shabby for three of us against this drivers list! I was real proud that we were the top finishing non-sponsored guys in that class!! Every one that beat us was A-Main at the PNWC finals!!


If I can switch my lap count with one of yours... :rolleyes:

Ok... I really need to get racing more. My skills have dropped like a bomb over the past year or so! (insert diminishing whistle noise here)

I'm pretty sure it's a combo of everyone just getting that much more tuned and me... getting less tuned.

It'll be a challenge to even catch up now... but that's the fun of it (I guess!) :D

Ed, you need to get out to some races this year! You've only got 6 months til the next BTE, so lets see you out here :D

rensuchan
2011.01.05, 09:52 AM
I ran the same *car* in stock and mod, I just switched motors =P

Amazingly enough I got 64 laps both times and both times my best lap was in the 7.5 range. The hotter motor seemed to run my batteries a bit lower by the end of the 10 minutes so I think I slowed down a bit in mod, but at most it cost me maybe 1-2 laps since I'm not that fast anyway :)

I hope to see some video of the top guys, I'm very interested.

geeunit1014
2011.01.05, 12:51 PM
6.0 is bonkers!! I can imagine going that fast on this layout. Y'all must have a tad more traction than us typically. I am usually kind of close to Matt on hot laps when he races down here, but the last couple races y'all have been over a half second faster than us. I did a 6.4 with a 70t.


Gary and Matt were pretty strapped for 70t HP all day lol. We set up the track the day we ran the event due to the location being in keely's office:eek: so we probably didnt have as good traction as we normally have, but we did get a good turnout though (12 stock, 8 mod, 4 F1) so the grip came up well throughout the day, but if we had a practice day or 2 they might have gotten into the 5's for stock :eek::eek: and I might have gotten closer to those mid 5's of grant's for mod :D

ChiMiniRc
2011.01.05, 01:03 PM
Any tips on how to prep the track as best as possible for best traction.
One thing I'm torn on is vacuuming before use. Just suction or use a vacuum with spinning brushes.

briankstan
2011.01.05, 01:13 PM
Any tips on how to prep the track as best as possible for best traction.
One thing I'm torn on is vacuuming before use. Just suction or use a vacuum with spinning brushes.

you want to vacume the track to puck up dusk that settles on it along anything else that would be on there. I use it with bristle on but not set to low that they dig into the track surface.

I have found that with a higher humidity that the track will have a lot more grip. you can replicate this by misting the track with water about 3 to 4 hours before race time, if you are in a dry climate like here in Utah. Just use a spay bottle and have at it. once the track feels dry to the touch it's ready to go.

Also note the the track will "rubber in" the more it is run on. so the longer you run on it prior to running the races helps a lot.

yasuji
2011.01.05, 01:40 PM
Any tips on how to prep the track as best as possible for best traction.
One thing I'm torn on is vacuuming before use. Just suction or use a vacuum with spinning brushes.

one thing that i found that makes a huge difference it the condition of the surface underneath the track
when i had it in the warehouse on cement floor , i found that moping the cement and getting all the dust off , then laying out the track out gave me a more consistent track and the track shifted around much less!
when i had it in the mall on carpet, i did the same... vacuum the carpet and set the track.... air gaps under the track or "balls" under the track that allow the track to move is like not taping your tires on...
and vacuuming the track is a must.... if you do it on race day do it early so the track settles....if u can do it the day before it is better

arch2b
2011.01.05, 02:18 PM
i had brought a camera to record our mains where keely had the track setup but practice rounds ran longer than anticipated and i had to leave at a fixed time so i ended up missing all the mains entirely. i wish i could have stuck around but where the wife and kids go, i follow and in this case it was the in-laws:rolleyes:

chris b
2011.01.05, 02:35 PM
We ran the pnwc track as our uk champs meeting back in nov, comparing the lap times to the US meeting was a laugh. At our meeting in nov the outside temp was at best -4"c (24"f)all day & being in an unheated barn the inside temp wasn't much higher. The grip level was terrible (drifting) with the stock motors let alone the mods:D

Didn't get to have a go on the bte this time (working:() but will hopefully be doing the next one:)

ChiMiniRc
2011.01.05, 02:52 PM
We ran the pnwc track as our uk champs meeting back in nov, comparing the lap times to the US meeting was a laugh. At our meeting in nov the outside temp was at best -4"c (24"f)all day & being in an unheated barn the inside temp wasn't much higher. The grip level was terrible (drifting) with the stock motors let alone the mods:D

Didn't get to have a go on the bte this time (working:() but will hopefully be doing the next one:)

So I guess we should start taking a reading with one of these before each race and submitting with our results :)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/opplanet-control-company-vwr-jumbo-temperature-humidity-meter-4184.png

chris b
2011.01.05, 03:03 PM
Thats just unfare:(:D December in the UK has just been recorded as the coldest since records began (1918):eek:

briankstan
2011.01.05, 03:12 PM
We have run some races in a garage in the middle of winter with temps in the low 20's with the track on cold concrete it makes for a track with little to no grip.

rensuchan
2011.01.05, 03:34 PM
I have found that with a higher humidity that the track will have a lot more grip. you can replicate this by misting the track with water about 3 to 4 hours before race time, if you are in a dry climate like here in Utah. Just use a spay bottle and have at it. once the track feels dry to the touch it's ready to go.

Interesting find.

There's been some very small talk between me and Mini-Z about washing our track, it's been in use for years before I ever joined the club so it's condition might not be quite as good as a newer set of RCP.

What would be the best way to wash it, just water?

briankstan
2011.01.05, 04:01 PM
Interesting find.

There's been some very small talk between me and Mini-Z about washing our track, it's been in use for years before I ever joined the club so it's condition might not be quite as good as a newer set of RCP.

What would be the best way to wash it, just water?

I've never washed mine (most of it is about 5 years old), I have wiped it here and there with a wet rag if something get spilled on it (I have kids). Possible a carpet cleaner without the brush? spray hot water and then suck it off? You could possible spray it with the hose in the summer, but don't leave it out in the sun to dry it will shrink. Probably the best way is to just keep it vacumed as good as possible.

pnracingsweden
2011.01.05, 05:25 PM
Well in sweden its cold as well sometimes in the winter but as long its not ice on the track its good we think ;-)

Some clubs in sweden have used water wacum machines and then it gets very clean.
But then of course you need to run with the cars for a few ours before you get rubber in the track again.

I just use air pressure in my garage and then a normal vacum machine works pretty good.
we only ran the track for a few hours but with a few days practice 85-88 should be possible.
Now the best racer of us had 81 laps in stock and track record was 6,3
Our club name is RadialRides
/Jocke the Boss

chris130256
2011.01.05, 05:47 PM
Lots of response to the BTE. I wonder how many people/clubs would be interested in doing the BTE more often?

Mike Keely
2011.01.05, 07:00 PM
Don't get me wrong I had a blast doing this race but the BTE's are a lot of work. We take our track down and bring it to my work. At my work we have to brake down the tables and chairs then set up the track. Run the races take down the track and bring it back to the garage that we run in weekly to set it back up again. I can not see us doing it much more then twice a year. If we had the space to do it at our weekly spot I would love to do them every week.

We are planning a big race at the end of Feb. to try to spark some intrest with drivers at a local hobby shop that does not run Mini-Z's at this time. We plan on running a regional size track at this race. We will be bringing everything to that race also. Again I am sure we will have a great time but it is a long day.

pnracingsweden
2011.01.06, 12:14 PM
RadicalRides would like to race this size of track every month 4*8,5 meters its perfect for us.
/Jocke the Boss

briankstan
2011.01.06, 12:29 PM
how many clubs could run this size track each month?

ChiMiniRc
2011.01.06, 01:19 PM
how many clubs could run this size track each month?

I've been wanting this. We can run BTE all the time and would GREATLY look forward to doing so. At Chimini R/C, the goal is to have EVERYONE race at all times and no one EVER sits out. The club is growing though so running 8-15 cars on a regular 2 wide-l HFAY track is way too tight. FUN, but tight.

Our actual HFAY race is split into mains but all the practive heats up to that have all cars out on the track.

My plan for this upcoming race the 9th is 2 tracks and then joining them after the HFAY races are done.
BELOW 2 pics

Perhaps to accomidate BTE lovers, Layouts that are esentially both? That way those who can run BTE too, but the track layout would have the 2 kit layout within it as well. That way they can still participate with the other clubs who can only run 2 kits.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/th_Hfay6-S11R12wb.png (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/?action=view&current=Hfay6-S11R12wb.png)http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/th_Hfay6-S11R12combinedwb.png (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/?action=view&current=Hfay6-S11R12combinedwb.png)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/th_Hfay6-S11R122to3.png (http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk193/Greg_Zielinski/?action=view&current=Hfay6-S11R122to3.png)

hrdrvr
2011.01.06, 01:22 PM
Brian, you have another PM from me. You know where we are at, but just to make it public, we are interested, and would likely participate depending on how the other things we are discussing work out.

geeunit1014
2011.01.06, 11:47 PM
Keeley, We cant fit a BTE track in Gary's can we? or is it just a hair too small?

Mike Keely
2011.01.07, 05:22 PM
I think we can do 9X16 tiles at Remnants. Yes, it is a hair to small.