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Deca
2011.02.07, 03:49 PM
So I've been put in charge of coming up with ideas for themed race nights outside of our normal Dojo series and HFAY events. I've been tossing ideas back and forth with D and I'm pretty excited about what could be done here.


DRIFT
Obviously we're going to have some drift nights. As we found out at the last race, drifting works much better on the carpet than RCP with the kyosho drift tires. Much more controllable and easier to hold nice angles, when I went back and looked at some of the drift factory vids on youtube I noticed that they're running their Zs on carpet as well, so I think this is the way to go. We have all manner of cones and markers to work with for layouts. I'm sure we could all use practice sessions before deciding if we want to work out some sort of competitive series, so I guess let's just try and figure out when we want to meet up for this. Having a night dedicated solely to drifting will be nice because we'll have the entire area to work with, we can just use the 1/10 barriers and whatnot with our other obstacles.



THEME RACE
For themed races we were thinking of going by car type. Stuff like SuperGT, BTCC, Le Mans, Ferrari Challenge, Mini Cooper Cup, etc. I'm personally excited about the idea of using real world track designs. For a first race I was thinking of using the older 1980s Fuji layout, since it seems like it should be fairly easy to at least approximate with the RCP we have, and is a track I like quite a bit. My initial idea was a 2 hour race with teams, person(s) not driving would be allowed to fulfill pit duties, reset car, etc. If that idea proves unpopular then maybe a 1 hour race with normal rules? It's occurring to me as I type this that it may be better to do a lap based race than a timed one, if we want to actually try to simulate a SuperGT race. At any rate, what's most important is the track and the cars.

While multiple drivers may not be realistic for a particular series, it could allow people who may not own an eligible car to compete in a race they otherwise wouldn't be able to...though problems could arise if you happen to obliterate someone elses body or damage their chassis while driving their car :(



RALLY
Rally races are something else I'm definitely interested to see happen, complete with elevation, jumps (within reason) and surface changes. We could design several point to point stages for the night and do it up like a real rally, stagger starts and record times. We'd have to tear down and rebuild between stages, but if we planned it out we could probably streamline that process by designing the stages such that it doesn't have to be COMPLETELY disassembled. For point to points we could even have the cars drop off the end of the RCP layout down onto the carpet, and use tape/cones/markers etc to map out an even longer stage. If this works out as well as I think it could I'll definitely be investing in a rally ASC ;)



AUTO-X + GYMKHANA
I think it would be pretty easy to add an autocross series alongside pretty much any of these events as well if anyone was interested in such a thing. John and I had been talking about trying to run some gymkhana as well, that would likely be done on a drift night. We have some real layouts that wouldn't be too hard to setup, we'll just have to see if we have the level of control necessary to make it fun/possible.


Like I said, I'm excited :D I'll be grabbing the Zround track designer tonight and seeing what I can do as far as putting together some real world tracks. Please let me know what you think of this, and offer any ideas you might have. Also let me know who would be available to attend an additional night or two each month.


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Edit (2.10.11): first track concept
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Fuji Speedway 1980
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KitTheFox/fuji80.jpg

rensuchan
2011.02.07, 04:57 PM
Thumbs up.

I think the team races would be fun, just be sure that you have a second driver that you wont mind if they wreck your car =P

Would these meets all take place in the same location? Would there be an entry fee as well?

Deca
2011.02.07, 05:00 PM
Same location, almost certainly.

Entry fee...I guess that's up to D :X

Raeus
2011.02.07, 06:09 PM
What kind of car would you need for these races?

Drift =AWD

Theme = New body for your car?

Rally = ? (Sounds fun)

Have no idea what AUTO-X + GYMKHANA is.

Deca
2011.02.07, 06:47 PM
Drifting will definitely be AWD. It's apparently possible to drift the RWDs with a gyro, but with a car this size AWD is going to be much more fun if we're just focused on stage layouts and tandems :)

The theme races will try to stay true to the real cars, so as long as the drivetrain matches up with the bodies we're running it'll be OK. If we did a Mini Cup or any sort of Hot Hatch night I think it'd be cool to set up MA010s as FWDs :)

For rally it will depend on what kind of tires we choose to run. If we all use drift tires then AWD will be necessary (and I have a feeling that's the route we'll end up taking). If we don't, then I'd say just match drivetrain to the car. I do have a feeling Rally will end up being at least a primarily AWD series.

Autocross is where they set up a tight, technical course with a bunch of cones in a big open area (often a parking lot) and then take turns running through it to see who gets the best time. Gymkhana is similar but takes the whole thing to an extreme...well, see for yourself :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hkOyVd8Uo0

Raeus
2011.02.07, 06:57 PM
How come AWD cars are ugly?

Deca
2011.02.07, 07:30 PM
How come AWD cars are ugly?

You mean real life AWD cars or the MA010 chassis?

There are plenty of nice looking AWD cars! What about the 3000gt and the R32-33-34 Skyline? The 22b Impreza is way sexy and the Evo 3 and 4 both look nice.

Raeus
2011.02.07, 08:26 PM
The races do sound like a lot of fun.

YoYo-Pete
2011.02.08, 01:19 PM
I'm totally geeked about this...

I'm really looking forward to some drift and gymkhana events... Rally races should be fun too. Cool concept on how we can run them.

I got a 12 pack of cones and was thinking that next event I'll bring them and we can lay out a course on the carpet and get some sweet drifting going on.

I think it will be so awesome, I wont even realize my pants are wrong. ;)

MRDAVT
2011.02.08, 01:31 PM
So, when is the next event?

I've just assembled Mini Cooper AWD, it looks cute.

YoYo-Pete
2011.02.08, 01:38 PM
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=405404

Saturday Night 2/12 and Friday Night 2/18.... (Times to be confirmed)

mini-z
2011.02.08, 03:06 PM
DRIFT
...Having a night dedicated solely to drifting will be nice because we'll have the entire area to work with, we can just use the 1/10 barriers and whatnot with our other obstacles.


So setup s/b a doddle compared to laying out the RCP! Awesome! :)



THEME RACE
While multiple drivers may not be realistic for a particular series, it could allow people who may not own an eligible car to compete in a race they otherwise wouldn't be able to...though problems could arise if you happen to obliterate someone elses body or damage their chassis while driving their car :(


Really excellent call bringing teams into this - since not everyone has every chassis etc. - and I do like the idea of a fixed lap race; we've also talked about doing e.g. night stages w/ required use of lights (either pit to swap on a body w/ them installed or for the EE nerds maybe even set up remote switch-on!), and for example simulated rain via absurdly hard tires etc. for other events - could potentially incorporate some of these ideas too...? I got my little 808 cam working at last so w/b cool to capture some on-board footage from these races too! :D


RALLY
Rally races are something else I'm definitely interested to see happen, complete with elevation, jumps (within reason) and surface changes.


Note that we do have Off Road RCP and an RCP Tracks Jump Kit that w/b great for this too... :cool:


AUTO-X + GYMKHANA
I think it would be pretty easy to add an autocross series alongside pretty much any of these events as well if anyone was interested in such a thing.


Only trick here w/b timing - need to either make it loop back to cross the line - or I'm sure we could come up w/ a simple alternate timing system... ? :cool:

mini-z
2011.02.08, 03:11 PM
Same location, almost certainly.

Entry fee...I guess that's up to D :X

Yeah same deal on both I'd think. :)

mini-z
2011.02.08, 03:32 PM
I think it will be so awesome, I wont even realize my pants are wrong. ;)

I think it will be so awesome that your pants will definitely be wrong by the end...! :eek::p:D This could quickly eclipse Chuck's random "1/9th" thing as the single best random thing to be said on the driver stand of all time...

Deca
2011.02.08, 03:56 PM
OK so it looks like we need DATES. What works for you guys, who's interested in coming. Next two weekends are races so unless people want to meet up on a week night it probably couldn't start until after then.

I have no problem setting something up on a weeknight if people are free, and could potentially do a race and special event in a single weekend (though I wouldn't want to make a habit of that, and I'm guessing most people probably wouldn't be interested)

Our first event should probably just be a drift night if we do it in the near future, John and I have been anxious to get some proper drifting in (basement isn't really cutting it) and I know a couple others want to get into it as well. I can put together our Fuji Classic for sometime between the 18th and end of February :)

So yeah please post availability and interest if you're reading this

vigilanterc
2011.02.08, 04:33 PM
For team races..........I would rather ONLY drive my own cars.....:o

RALLY? That would Excellent!!!!

Drifting? I just need to fix my X-Mod Evo (found it in a box in my basement so now I dont have to buy an AWD mini-z!) Sorry Dave :(

I like that there is alot of thought into these races and that will keep up interest in running these tiny cars!

See you guys at the very next event....
Steven

rensuchan
2011.02.08, 05:07 PM
You should get some drift tires for your dNano and start dNano drifting Steve :D

Deca
2011.02.08, 05:18 PM
For team races..........I would rather ONLY drive my own cars.....:o

RALLY? That would Excellent!!!!

Drifting? I just need to fix my X-Mod Evo (found it in a box in my basement so now I dont have to buy an AWD mini-z!) Sorry Dave :(

I like that there is alot of thought into these races and that will keep up interest in running these tiny cars!

See you guys at the very next event....
Steven

Heheh, I had a feeling you'd be into the rally idea mr. citroen jacket ;)

vigilanterc
2011.02.08, 07:11 PM
Darn-Toot'n You are correct! Except I should get an AWD Mini-Z, and not try to use my X-Mod AWD Drifter!!! I got some more Dnano Fun to show you when meet up at the next race.....can you say LP500S? I knew you could!
See you there.
Steven

Deca
2011.02.08, 07:59 PM
Darn-Toot'n You are correct! Except I should get an AWD Mini-Z, and not try to use my X-Mod AWD Drifter!!! I got some more Dnano Fun to show you when meet up at the next race.....can you say LP500S? I knew you could!
See you there.
Steven

Oooooh SICK! my favorite Countache and I do love Countaches :D

vigilanterc
2011.02.08, 08:23 PM
He He I knew you were fond of them as you mentioned you like that one last time we raced. I had to post a pick just for you!
See you at the track!!
Steven

YoYo-Pete
2011.02.09, 10:34 AM
Note that we do have Off Road RCP and an RCP Tracks Jump Kit that w/b great for this too... :cool:
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Only trick here w/b timing - need to either make it loop back to cross the line - or I'm sure we could come up w/ a simple alternate timing system... ? :cool:

I want to check out the off road stuff... I saw some pictures of some off road truck rally stuff and it looks pretty rad. (Yeah... another Mini-Z vehicle to get) Offroad Pics (http://www.rcptracks.com/offroadtracks.html)

For the timing with gymkhana, it's not abnormal to have the track go outward, and then end by coming back through the start line in the opposite direction.

Here's an example: Gymkhana Course (http://reviews.carreview.com/files/2010/08/Gymkhana_Grid_Course_V4.jpg)

I am totally excited :D

mini-z
2011.02.09, 03:13 PM
...Next two weekends are races so unless people want to meet up on a week night it probably couldn't start until after then....

So yeah please post availability and interest if you're reading this

FYI I can pretty much never do week nights (other than late Friday) so it's most likely going to have to be a Fri/Sat that isn't already dedicated to another Dojo event. :)

For team races..........I would rather ONLY drive my own cars.....:o
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Drifting? I just need to fix my X-Mod Evo (found it in a box in my basement so now I dont have to buy an AWD mini-z!) Sorry Dave :(

S, you do understand what "Team" means, right?! :D No need to apologize RE XMOD - I could use a good laugh! :D :p :D :cool:

mini-z
2011.02.09, 03:14 PM
I want to check out the off road stuff... I saw some pictures of some off road truck rally stuff and it looks pretty rad. (Yeah... another Mini-Z vehicle to get) Offroad Pics (http://www.rcptracks.com/offroadtracks.html)

FYI the track that we have is the "original" off-road stuff, not the new "Losi" tracks. Though we can of course do some shopping if things take off... :)

Deca
2011.02.09, 03:35 PM
Am I going to have to dig out my Xmods? I have an R34 set up to drift and a mostly stock Supra in my parents attic :P

vigilanterc
2011.02.09, 05:57 PM
FYI I can pretty much never do week nights (other than late Friday) so it's most likely going to have to be a Fri/Sat that isn't already dedicated to another Dojo event. :)



S, you do understand what "Team" means, right?! :D No need to apologize RE XMOD - I could use a good laugh! :D :p :D :cool:

D.......NICE!............I may even convert the XMod to Kyosho Spare AM gear....Take that!;):D I know what team kinda means..exept I do not do Teams very well..more of a solo act if you know what I mean.....That way there is no hard feeling if something breaks on someones car......Especially Mine.

See you there boss :cool:

vigilanterc
2011.02.09, 06:01 PM
Here is a Rally Idea! How about a tarmac and Snow event on the same track!? How do you ask? You simply set up a long stage and run the AWD cars with sticky rubber tires in both direction....THEN......wait for it........
you switch the tires to Drifter Tires and then you instantly have a snow/ice course! Think...One track layout.....4 stages! Tarmac one way and then back the other way....Then snow out 1 way and back the other way!
I think that could be fun to run both setups on one track layout....

Steven
Vigilante R/C

Deca
2011.02.09, 07:15 PM
That would actually work quite well. Much better than going outside and getting snow and just sort of caking it onto the RCP :)

Good idea, it'd save a lot of setup time. I would still like to try multiple unique stages at some point though.

vigilanterc
2011.02.09, 09:03 PM
Glad you like. Good point about differently layouts as well. That way each time we change the circuit we get 4 unique stages...if you count 2 different directions for tarmac and snow/ice.

I may have to get a Mini-Z AWD from DAVE if this becomes a reality...Hear that Dave?:eek:. That White Subaru is calling my name for a Rally themed night!!!
I may have to retire my X-Mod Evo:( You better get some Bearing Kits in for the AWD!!!!
Steven

Deca
2011.02.09, 11:10 PM
OK I've been messing with this Z Round track maker and here is my first attempt!


Fuji Speedway 1980
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KitTheFox/fuji80.jpg


This is much more difficult than I expected it to be, these tiles don't like to cooperate!! I had too balance making it look like the track with making it (I hope) drive like the real track. I tried to allow for lines and relative speeds similar to what you would get on the different corners in real life. Also hoping that we have the tiles necessary, I couldn't get a definite list of the dojos tile stock.

If you have any suggestions or ideas please let me know! If anyone else wants to try putting together their own Fuji I'd be interested to see it :)

hobbycar
2011.02.10, 10:31 PM
OK I've been messing with this Z Round track maker and here is my first attempt!


Fuji Speedway 1980
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KitTheFox/fuji80.jpg


This is much more difficult than I expected it to be, these tiles don't like to cooperate!! I had too balance making it look like the track with making it (I hope) drive like the real track. I tried to allow for lines and relative speeds similar to what you would get on the different corners in real life. Also hoping that we have the tiles necessary, I couldn't get a definite list of the dojos tile stock.

If you have any suggestions or ideas please let me know! If anyone else wants to try putting together their own Fuji I'd be interested to see it :)

Cool first try Deca! Unfortunately we only have "standard tiles" + blanks + 4 wide inside corners :(

Take a look at this one of an actual track we did to get an idea of the tile types and counts we have:
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29518&stc=1&d=1269403030

Also check out my Big Track Thread (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34760) were I was trying to chronicle some of the big tracks we have done.

-hobbycar

Deca
2011.02.11, 10:42 AM
I can probably alter the design to work with what we have (though it won't look as nice :()

If the club was to acquire additional RCP in the future, I think it would be amazing if we could get some of the 45 degree corner pieces. Not the diagonals but the ones that you can run a straight off of continuing 45 degrees from the original path, like a 90 degree corner tile just split in half. That would open up a lot more possibilities.

rensuchan
2011.02.11, 01:17 PM
I found this, it may be a bit relevant to what you're trying to do:

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=405794
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/kimagurenatubuyaki3/folder/1808694.html

mini-z
2011.02.11, 02:36 PM
Glad you like. Good point about differently layouts as well. That way each time we change the circuit we get 4 unique stages...if you count 2 different directions for tarmac and snow/ice.

I may have to get a Mini-Z AWD from DAVE if this becomes a reality...Hear that Dave?:eek:. That White Subaru is calling my name for a Rally themed night!!!
I may have to retire my X-Mod Evo:( You better get some Bearing Kits in for the AWD!!!!
Steven

S, IIRC we have 3Racing and Kyosho MA-010 Bearing sets in stock, and a big pile of PN stuff that s/b here in time for our event if you prefer theirs. :) Bring a lighter and flammables etc. for a proper "retirement" of your XMOD! :D

mini-z
2011.02.11, 03:08 PM
I can probably alter the design to work with what we have (though it won't look as nice :()

If the club was to acquire additional RCP in the future, I think it would be amazing if we could get some of the 45 degree corner pieces. Not the diagonals but the ones that you can run a straight off of continuing 45 degrees from the original path, like a 90 degree corner tile just split in half. That would open up a lot more possibilities.

I'll have to bring the "Dojo Fund" bucket on Saturday then...but will see what I can do as well... :rolleyes::D:)

vigilanterc
2011.02.12, 09:19 AM
S, IIRC we have 3Racing and Kyosho MA-010 Bearing sets in stock, and a big pile of PN stuff that s/b here in time for our event if you prefer theirs. :) Bring a lighter and flammables etc. for a proper "retirement" of your XMOD! :D

That is good stuff. If I retire the X-Mod, I will need to remove my CNC machined rear hub I made to fix the crappy plastic one that crack and break all the time!!

Got the Danno parts kit in the mail yesterday, Thanks!

See you at the track....I need to try out my Mini-Z Mazda 787B for the first time as well......Can't wait!

mini-z
2011.02.12, 10:13 AM
Don't forget my Dean's rig! :) And, bring your 808 cam - I'll have mine too for some on-board footage! :)

vigilanterc
2011.02.12, 10:43 AM
Don't forget my Dean's rig! :) And, bring your 808 cam - I'll have mine too for some on-board footage! :)


Yes, I have one jig left with your name on it. Did you get your cam to work?

Steven

mini-z
2011.02.12, 10:50 AM
Awesome - thanks S! :) RE cam, yes - but it's really weird - it seems to work ever OTHER time I unplug it from USB...!? :confused: Otherwise it just plays dead...!?

vigilanterc
2011.02.12, 11:29 AM
Awesome - thanks S! :) RE cam, yes - but it's really weird - it seems to work ever OTHER time I unplug it from USB...!? :confused: Otherwise it just plays dead...!?

I makes you wonder if there is just a bad battery connection or something inside. It must be making a intermittant connection when you jostle it around?
It does take very nice video though...Especially from my planes outside on a sunny day.

S

vigilanterc
2011.02.12, 04:54 PM
Anyone want to see a new HPI RS32 Micro 2.4ghz car tonight?
I will have one (2)? to show. It runs REALLY nice on my home track and the speed is very appropriate for the scale of the car.......Not Stupid Fast Like a Dnano at full speed...But nice and controlable and very precise!!
I put a new Slot Peugeot 307 WRC body (My Citroen would not fit :( ) on it instead of the Calsonic Retro body it came with....nice but outdated.....

Between the Mini-Z and Dnano....nice fit.

mini-z
2011.02.12, 05:55 PM
Bring it! :) RE cam - it's literally every other, it's really weird! :confused:

mini-z
2011.02.13, 12:33 PM
S, don't forget to bring your boats on Friday -I want to get this guy going again:

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/778/medium/DSC01917.JPG

vigilanterc
2011.02.13, 04:20 PM
Hi Dave. Here is the HOT setup for more speed and longer running on $0.00 budget....mostly..

Check out the custom Catamaran hull I modeled from my full size inspiration.

Also see the Interior of the boat that I designed myself.

Steven

mini-z
2011.02.13, 04:29 PM
Awesome - bring all that stuff (except maybe the big one?!) for Special Event: Mini-Z Boat Night! :) LOL that you have the same brand motor on your 1:1! :D

vigilanterc
2011.02.13, 04:38 PM
I will try to come out on Friday if I can. I Can tell you that having 2 tracks set-up like last night was Fantasic. Lots more play and practice time..
Best night I had there.

Glad you liked the pics.

S

mini-z
2011.02.13, 04:43 PM
S, please vote here:

Mini-Z Dojo 2011 HFAY vs. Big Tracks (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35931)

Option 4 w/b basically a "formal" race one week and then more free-form like last night somehow turned out to be the other... :)

vigilanterc
2011.02.13, 05:06 PM
What time? I may not be able to make it, if it is another late night. I have Sat morning obligations......

I will make the next one for sure...

Steven

mini-z
2011.02.13, 05:25 PM
8. :)

5char (whoa, I'm 1337 like Deca! :D )

vigilanterc
2011.02.14, 04:59 PM
Here is the new HPI RS32 bodies! Check out the Citroen Xsara!! Best looking one yet!! I will bring them the next time I come out to race.

Steven
Vigilante R/C

Deca
2011.02.14, 05:21 PM
Here is the new HPI RS32 bodies! Check out the Citroen Xsara!! Best looking one yet!! I will bring them the next time I come out to race.

Steven
Vigilante R/C

FOCUSFOCUSFOCUSBRINGTHATIWANTTODRIVETHAT:eek:

Also, is that Overland F150 or any other pickup body available right now, and how hard would it be to get working on an MA010? Don't ask why ;)

I totally agree with Steve that last night was the most fun I've had since I started up with Mini-Zs, awesome night. Only would have been better if we'd raced on Fuji and my NSX hadn't been catastrophically damaged :p

vigilanterc
2011.02.14, 05:26 PM
FOCUSFOCUSFOCUSBRINGTHATIWANTTODRIVETHAT:eek:

Also, is that Overland F150 or any other pickup body available right now, and how hard would it be to get working on an MA010? Don't ask why ;)

I totally agree with Steve that last night was the most fun I've had since I started up with Mini-Zs, awesome night. Only would have been better if we'd raced on Fuji and my NSX hadn't been catastrophically damaged :p

Deca,
I am pleased you like the Focus! I may buy one more RS32 so I will have 3. One for each body. The Citroen is my PERSONAL FAV. ride!!

I did see some scale Dodge Ram bodies in the back at Daves shop..They looked really nice and the wheel base may be better for the chassis.

Soooooooooooo.. What do you have in mind for the truck/ma-010? Oh yeah, I am not supposed to ask:D:D:D

I am not sure about this friday but next one for sure..
Steven
I