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ruf993
2011.10.06, 10:17 PM
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/toyota_vitzChalleng.jpg

Let me know who is in...:cool:

Slubben
2011.10.06, 10:23 PM
I'm so in. Let's get this done.

machgo5go
2011.10.06, 10:29 PM
http://tmsf.jp/2008/report/racing/img/vitz01.jpg
I AM SO IN!
Can you imagine this in 1/27 scales, it will be a blast.
Come sign up since it will be Econo-FUN!

ruf993
2011.10.06, 10:29 PM
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/toyota_vitzChalleng.jpg

Let me know who is in...:cool:

Also we will Have 10 NEW MR03 Vits Race ready MHS TD prep at TD pricing...:cool:

while supplies last!;)

PM me for your TD pricing....

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.06, 11:20 PM
Sounds interesting, can't wait to hear the rest of the details.

SabRC
2011.10.07, 04:57 PM
Sounds cool....how many entries...cant wait for more info.

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.09, 10:25 AM
Bought mine Friday. Can't wait to get started!

bermbuster
2011.10.09, 11:58 AM
What are the rules?

How do you TD prep a box stock car?

When is the race?

herman
2011.10.10, 04:19 AM
How do you TD prep a box stock car?

how about deck it out in a cool livery... :D
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8130&d=1069076764

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17854&d=1130216420

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s11/hmc_jr/vitz%20555%20wrc/IMG_6738.jpg

machgo5go
2011.10.10, 05:44 AM
how about deck it out in a cool livery... :D
Nice Sticker Tuning!;)

Slubben
2011.10.10, 08:06 AM
That Castrol one is awesome! Very nice job.

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.10, 08:37 AM
I don't know, those stickers didn't come in the box...I cry foul! HA!

Rules as I understand them is if it isn't in the box you can't use it. Add any batteries, transmitter and stickers/paint and enjoy racing.

Slubben
2011.10.10, 09:22 AM
Yep that's pretty much right on the nose. All you can use is what's in the box.

vfbj1584
2011.10.10, 06:58 PM
the only modifications you can make are with what ever is in your box. pinions etc... body can not be touched with anything but paint or stickers. your only allowed to pick your own remote and batteries.

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.10, 07:08 PM
I say we should go without batteries and remotes. Just push the cars around the track like when we were 5.

bermbuster
2011.10.10, 07:51 PM
Also we will Have 10 NEW MR03 Vits Race ready MHS TD prep at TD pricing...:cool:

while supplies last!;)

PM me for your TD pricing....

TD =Team Driver???
TD Prep = ???

I understand box stock class....we have been running it at Kyosho America's Track (RT 241). Im going to be back in Jersey in November and I would like to partake in such an awesome class....:cool: and I want to make sure I prep my box stock accordingly. I may do a white body or break out one of my vintage ASCs.....:cool:

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.10, 10:47 PM
TD =Team Driver???
TD Prep = ???

I understand box stock class....we have been running it at Kyosho America's Track (RT 241). Im going to be back in Jersey in November and I would like to partake in such an awesome class....:cool: and I want to make sure I prep my box stock accordingly. I may do a white body or break out one of my vintage ASCs.....:cool:

I think the body has to be the Toyota Vitz.

herman
2011.10.10, 11:44 PM
pls post pics of your rides (and if possible a video of the race)... i'd really love to see them... thanks in advance... :D

Slubben
2011.10.11, 08:14 AM
I think the body has to be the Toyota Vitz.

Prep is pretty simple buy Toyota Vitz RTR remove from box install four AAA batteries, follow steps to bind transmitter & radio go racing... :D

imxlr8ed
2011.10.11, 10:26 AM
Are you allowed to lighten up the bodies, like plastic removal of the window under the roof, hack out the back bumper.

Also, if I get this... you are all going to be running the box stock tires in their un-trued state? Good choice to run the smooth side then if that's the case.

Obviously, no traction compounds or tire softening then too, right?

Is removal of the big yellow diode thingy allowed too?

Awesome if this is going to be a truly box-stock class. :D

Slubben
2011.10.11, 03:05 PM
Ok here's how I think the class will work out.

You have to run a box stock MR03 High-Mount Vitz. The only parts you can use are the ones that come in the box i.e you can use the pinions that come in the box. You can not modify the body so the windshield's gotta remain as is. I think on the newer ASC bodies it's cut out a little bit on top, it was on my 599 at least. You also can't dremel the body or true the tires. It's truly going to be a box stock class. We will get more details in the coming days for sure.

I also believe that this is going to be a series and not a single race but, who knows..........

Slubben
2011.10.11, 03:17 PM
Will Anyone Be Brave Enough To Run A Vader Vitz

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.11, 03:43 PM
Will Anyone Be Brave Enough To Run A Vader Vitz

You know I would! Stealth baby!

How many do we need to race Friday? How many do we have already?

ruf993
2011.10.11, 04:14 PM
You know I would! Stealth baby!

How many do we need to race Friday? How many do we have already?

As soon as the cars come in this week, I will have more details regarding the challenge... ;)

bermbuster
2011.10.11, 07:07 PM
Box stock should mean as it comes in the box.....
with no mods...
that means
plastic wheel nuts
bushings
stock motor with all factory wiring
all factory screws

tires most likely will have to be changed....but they must go from the bag right on the wheel.....no truing or gooing....

body autoscales only no unpainted bodies
get the white vitz and decal it up....:cool:

then you will have a box stock challenge.....

I thought the TD version was going to be like an IROC series. Majs team drivers would prep the 10 cars identically and then the 10 racers would pick at random the chassis to be used so there would be no favorite car....:D

machgo5go
2011.10.11, 08:37 PM
http://gazoo.com/racing/english/grmn/circuit/nul2007/img/vol001_motegi_pic05.jpg
It will be great to see JUST ARRIVE & DRIVE Box Stock almost like the real thing!
More driving skills then messing around whole day with it in the pit.
Once we get them in (next few days) and the rules be set,
come on down in getting your own from a great deal and let the fun begin!

bermbuster
2011.10.11, 08:53 PM
It will be great to see JUST ARRIVE & DRIVE Box Stock almost like the real thing!
More driving skills then messing around whole day with it in the pit.
Once we get them in (next few days) and the rules be set,
come on down in getting your own from a great deal and let the fun begin!

Im just wondering how the hi mount 90mm with narrow tires will handle....:D
To traction roll or not to traction roll that is the question.....:cool:

This is where drivers finesse will come into play.....:)
Know the limits of adhesion and driving on that fine line......:cool:

Slubben
2011.10.12, 08:17 AM
I drove one that Maj had with the Vitz body it was a lot of fun to drive but it does take some throttle and steering control but, it's very doable.

ruf993
2011.10.13, 01:30 PM
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/FitsMR03.jpg

Rules will be posted soon!!!

Slubben
2011.10.13, 01:48 PM
Ut oh I bet Eddie's drooling over those white NSXs too!!! It's gonna be a fun day at MHS today!!!!!

machgo5go
2011.10.13, 01:52 PM
Ut oh I bet Eddie's drooling over those white NSXs too!!! It's gonna be a fun day at MHS today!!!!! NSX will overrule the Vitz in future!

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.13, 02:09 PM
Ut oh I bet Eddie's drooling over those white NSXs too!!! It's gonna be a fun day at MHS today!!!!!

No Vader Fits?

machgo5go
2011.10.13, 02:27 PM
No Vader Fits?
I know you want one since you have 1/1 scale!;)

Slubben
2011.10.13, 02:51 PM
Oh boy I could barely see a traffic cone orange Fit at this point.

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.13, 04:31 PM
I know you want one since you have 1/1 scale!;)

I actually meant vitz but fit would be good too.

machgo5go
2011.10.13, 04:45 PM
I actually meant vitz but fit would be good too.http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__9TTj0s27Vk/SucfS2FPwSI/AAAAAAAAB0M/JiwwJV3rQoo/s400/Fit6.jpg
http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/MZP20PW_l.jpg
That may work as a continue series.

ruf993
2011.10.13, 05:59 PM
Enjoy!

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/th_VitsChallenge_0001.jpg (http://s782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/?action=view&current=VitsChallenge_0001.mp4)

machgo5go
2011.10.14, 07:56 AM
Enjoy!


http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/VitzMedium.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/307650_2435713648915_1133926971_2789864_1968422846 _n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/312509_2523312960817_1193152255_3032513_833230858_ n.jpg
Cute Little Guy drive nice as you can see, GOPRO!

bermbuster
2011.10.14, 08:58 AM
which go pro camera did you use? Im wanting to get one im not sure which one to get. The Hero or the Hero HD.....

So Far I see 3 Vitzs.....
Who else is getting one....:cool:

ruf993
2011.10.14, 09:09 AM
which go pro camera did you use? Im wanting to get one im not sure which one to get. The Hero or the Hero HD.....

So Far I see 3 Vitzs.....
Who else is getting one....:cool:

there is no question HD is the only way to Go with the Pro...:cool:

ruf993
2011.10.14, 09:18 AM
Kyosho VItz's Stock Challenge RUles:

Chassis: Kyosho MR03 High Mount
Track Width: (Must be original to the body selected)
Wheel Base: (Must be original to the body selected)

Body: Kyosho ASC or white body Vitz only!

Wheel wells may NOT be altered for tire clearance. Cabin windows must be retained and may NOT be lightened internally, polycarbonate (Lexan) windows NOT allowed. Headlight buckets and lenses or covers must be retained. Taillight lenses and housings must also remain installed. The rear fascia may NOT be cut. Small body parts such as mirrors, canards and exhaust pipes must be installed. If something is to break while on the track, it does not have to be reinstalled. Reinforcement to the inside of the body is legal, but hidden from view while looking at the outside of the body.

Wing: NONE (Can'T use anything)

Batteries: 4 x AAA NiMh or Alkaline (Lithium based batteries NOT allowed).

Wheels: Wheels must be original size to the body being used.(ONLY ASC Kyosho wheels are allowed)

Tires: Front Must be the same ASC rubber tire that comes in the kit.
Rear ASC rubber tire that comes in the kit or optional spec tire (Kyosho radial narrow 30's)

(NO truing tires allowed)

Min Weight: None.

Motor: Kyosho stock motor only. (must remain intact from factory)

Motor Mount: Kyosho plastic motor mount associated with the body selected only!

Suspension: No upgrades allowed.(can only use what comes in a stock MR03 kit) Shimming and modding (modification, not exchange for aftermarket) is allowed, but only suspension that is associated with the stock motor mount and body are allowed. Greases and oils are permitted. Only parts associated with the stock front end can be used. Parts can be modded, but not used on a different front end. Bascially, you can do what you wish with the parts that come with the kit, but you can NOT add anything other than these parts. Stock springs (front and rear) ONLY! Stock T-H-plates ONLY!

Bearings: what ever comes in a stock MR03 kit (meaning plastic bearings only)

TX: ANY!



The Vitz's points rules:


5 week race that will run on our regular Friday night racing as one of the classes.

Entry fee is $15 for this class. $5 of each entry will be collected for $$ Gift Card prizes at the end of each weeks race.
Top 5 will be awarded the $$ GC accordingly to there results. (every week)
After the 5th week we will tally the total points collected of each racer and Crown the winners of the Vitz's Challenge.

thank's

Maj
CEO
majsrc.com


PS. thanks Landon ( you made it easy for me to make these rules since most of it was already written by you....):p:)

ruf993
2011.10.14, 09:23 AM
OK Vitz's Challenge race fans!!

For the guys and gals who have there Fitz race car ready, I would like to do a demo race tonight. Who is in!

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.14, 09:43 AM
OK Fitz's Challenge race fans!!

For the guys and gals who have there Fitz race car ready, I would like to do a demo race tonight. Who is in!

I'm in!

Though isn't it a Vitz?

Fit is the Honda Version.

machgo5go
2011.10.14, 11:13 AM
OK Fitz's Challenge race fans!!

For the guys and gals who have there Fitz race car ready, I would like to do a demo race tonight. Who is in! I am IN! Maj is making a Toyota/Honda Hybrid = FITZ!;)

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.14, 11:15 AM
I am IN! Maj is making a Toyota/Honda Hybrid = FITZ!;)

In that case, Maj, if you have a Fit body in stock please set it aside for me.

ruf993
2011.10.14, 12:07 PM
In that case, Maj, if you have a Fit body in stock please set it aside for me.

Sorry about that.... yes it's Vits

EMU
2011.10.14, 12:33 PM
PS. thanks Landon ( you made it easy for me to make these rules since most of it was already written by you....):p:)

I was going to say, those rules look vaguely familiar :p

dr_hfuhuhurr
2011.10.15, 08:29 AM
Best class ever!!!!

hrdrvr
2011.10.15, 10:44 AM
PS. thanks Landon ( you made it easy for me to make these rules since most of it was already written by you....):p:)

Well, We can both thank Pedro (from the High Speed crew), lol. I helped come up with the rules for the Carolina Cup, but he put them into words. I just adjusted them to fit this new class :D

I can't wait to see some videos of you all's Vits races. It looks like it's going to be fun.

Slubben
2011.10.15, 10:58 AM
Best class ever!!!!

I second that.

It was like a form of anime nascar. These tiny little weird cars going around the track door to door actually bumping one another. They're surprisingly stable!!!

I cant wait to watch the video even if just to see me get confused as to which car I was driving coming out of the sweeper, I thought I was Roland's car, only find my car still in the sweeper bouncing off the walls. LOL!!

machgo5go
2011.10.15, 11:10 AM
Best class ever!!!!
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/JohnnyTRacer003Medium.jpgWe have another SATISFY Customer Mr. World Record JT in this most fun class ever!
Even econo racer Roland couldn't resist in last minute purchase of his own X MAN Theme Vitz and took the 1st. win in our Demo Inaugural Race of now 8 contenders!
I think everybody will back for more for sure
& Maj will be restocking every soon since they all went out the door pretty quick & on track!

ruf993
2011.10.15, 12:57 PM
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/VitzFleet.jpg

my son Alex Vitz racer!!

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/ALexVitz2.jpg
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/AlexVitz3.jpg
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/AlexVitz.jpg

:cool::cool::cool::cool:

Number1
2011.10.15, 01:04 PM
Slow is fun!
I can't believe I've just said that, but it is. I have been racing mini-z for ten years, but I haven't had that much fun for a long time with mini-z. The only difference among cars are the batteries and transmitter setting, more or less dual rate and EPA. Other than that, every car behaves and corners the same way, it all comes down to driving, who can hold the line better, keep the throttle longer, who can get on the power earlier, and most impotantly, not hitting anything and traction rolling.:)

Anyway, enjoy the first ever Vits race video , and you know there will be more to come.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9mj-HhARmM

Slubben
2011.10.17, 12:15 PM
Great video Roland!! It's amazing you had your car for about 15 minutes and won the race!

SabRC
2011.10.17, 03:11 PM
Saw the videos and cars first hand and they look great. Great win Roland

Number1
2011.10.18, 10:35 AM
Great video Roland!! It's amazing you had your car for about 15 minutes and won the race!

Saw the videos and cars first hand and they look great. Great win Roland

Thanks.
Just so you know, I'm cooking something for Friday;), don't worry I'm not doing tricks to my Vits, and it won't be a Honda odyssey either, but something just as interesting.

But come to think of it, it'll so cool to race the Odyssey or Sienna, just my 2 cents.

Kevin S.
2011.10.18, 11:37 AM
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/VitzFleet.jpg

my son Alex Vitz racer!!

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/ALexVitz2.jpg
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/AlexVitz3.jpg
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/AlexVitz.jpg

:cool::cool::cool::cool:

Alex's car looks Awesome Maj. What did you use to get the red around the lip of the rim?

Slubben
2011.10.18, 11:39 AM
Thanks.
Just so you know, I'm cooking something for Friday;), don't worry I'm not doing tricks to my Vits, and it won't be a Honda odyssey either, but something just as interesting.

But come to think of it, it'll so cool to race the Odyssey or Sienna, just my 2 cents.

The vans would be really cool. I just don't know if they're available anymore.

Anyways I look forward to seeing what you have cooked up.

ruf993
2011.10.19, 12:33 PM
Alex's car looks Awesome Maj. What did you use to get the red around the lip of the rim?

red paint markers..:cool:

machgo5go
2011.10.20, 09:58 PM
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/Vitz001Medium.jpg
It's Friday, It's Friday so are we ready for some more Vitza Challenge!!:cool:

NoBrainer
2011.10.21, 06:13 AM
Hi I'm thinking about making a "stock" class here in norway and I think these rules are great, but...

Why don't you allow bearings?

Kyosho VItz's Stock Challenge RUles:

Bearings: what ever comes in a stock MR03 kit (meaning plastic bearings only)

Is there a good reason?
My reason for leaving this rule out is the performance of the rest of the car. Bearings helps the rest of the parts last longer and the car does what you want it to.

And bearings is not that expensive.


And aren't there a lot of difference in the performance of the stock motor?


Regards Lasse

herman
2011.10.21, 06:40 AM
i got a couple of questions...

rims... are other rims allowed other than what comes with the asc? looks like there's a black banana type rim on one car (like in the pic below)... i'm thinking i guess it's ok, so long that it's standard narrow with no offset like the original rims that came with the asc...
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/AlexVitz.jpg

and are rim covers allowed? (pic below)... seems like a great way to identify your car (especially if it's in a fluorescent color) and i believe that it slightly improves aerodynamics too... (i may be wrong though... can anybody confirm this?)
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/JohnnyTRacer003Medium.jpg

ruf993
2011.10.21, 08:39 AM
Hi I'm thinking about making a "stock" class here in norway and I think these rules are great, but...

Why don't you allow bearings?



Is there a good reason?
My reason for leaving this rule out is the performance of the rest of the car. Bearings helps the rest of the parts last longer and the car does what you want it to.

And bearings is not that expensive.


And aren't there a lot of difference in the performance of the stock motor?


Regards Lasse

Mainly I was trying to use the same rules as the Kyosho CUP when kyosho use to run the race events for MINIZ's...

and the goal is to keep the cost down.

hope this helps you in anyway.

ruf993
2011.10.21, 08:44 AM
i got a couple of questions...

rims... are other rims allowed other than what comes with the asc? looks like there's a black banana type rim on one car (like in the pic below)... i'm thinking i guess it's ok, so long that it's standard narrow with no offset like the original rims that came with the asc...

Yes as long it was made from Kyosho any narrow wheels are allowed...

NoBrainer
2011.10.21, 08:44 AM
That's what I thought.
Love those rules except bearings, so I think I will "adopt" the rules from you and just add that bearings are allowed.

I just wondered if there some other reason.

Thanks for reply!

ruf993
2011.10.21, 08:50 AM
That's what I thought.
Love those rules except bearings, so I think I will "adopt" the rules from you and just add that bearings are allowed.

I just wondered if there some other reason.

Thanks for reply!

If you have video's of your box stock class in action please share them...:)

thanks
Maj
CEO
majsrc.com

Number1
2011.10.22, 12:07 PM
If you have video's of your box stock class in action please share them...:)

thanks
Maj
CEO
majsrc.com

Yes, NoBrainer, do share your videos if you have any.:cool:

Another great night of racing at Maj's, and I have the video to prove it.:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUnoi9vD448

NoBrainer
2011.10.22, 01:25 PM
Of course

But we are trying to figure out what can "trick" others to start racing.
There are not a lot of tracks in Norway, so we have to find a way to get people to get interested to buy any car at all....

Thanks for the help!

bermbuster
2011.10.22, 07:52 PM
I got my Vitz out of storage and now I will make some custom waterslides for it.....:cool:
cant wait to run with you guys.....:D

machgo5go
2011.10.22, 08:56 PM
Yes, NoBrainer, do share your videos if you have any.:cool:

Another great night of racing at Maj's, and I have the video to prove it.:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUnoi9vD448Oh, Mr. Vitz did it again!! Good job since I couldn't hold you off at the last minute.:(
And George, Keeping it simple to the rule & you will have a blast!

bermbuster
2011.10.22, 10:11 PM
George, Keeping it simple to the rule & you will have a blast!

KISS Keep it simple stupid is a motto I live by......
and Eddie I always abide by the rules........:cool:
now if you can convince the others.....;)

herman
2011.10.23, 11:21 PM
Yes as long it was made from Kyosho any narrow wheels are allowed...

thanks for the answer... :D

what about rim covers? are they allowed too? :confused:

herman
2011.10.23, 11:21 PM
I got my Vitz out of storage and now I will make some custom waterslides for it.....:cool:
cant wait to run with you guys.....:D

ah... nice blue vitz... :D

themelis factor
2011.10.24, 01:21 PM
i got a couple of questions...

rims... are other rims allowed other than what comes with the asc? looks like there's a black banana type rim on one car (like in the pic below)... i'm thinking i guess it's ok, so long that it's standard narrow with no offset like the original rims that came with the asc...
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/Majsrc/AlexVitz.jpg

and are rim covers allowed? (pic below)... seems like a great way to identify your car (especially if it's in a fluorescent color) and i believe that it slightly improves aerodynamics too... (i may be wrong though... can anybody confirm this?)
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/JohnnyTRacer003Medium.jpg

This class doesnt have the speed for the wheel covers to be used as an advantage in aerodynamics. Its used for the sole purpose of identity on the track.:D

Number1
2011.10.25, 01:21 PM
This class doesnt have the speed for the wheel covers to be used as an advantage in aerodynamics. Its used for the sole purpose of identity on the track.:D

Who are you kidding? You know you like to have all the unfair advantage you can get.:rolleyes::D

themelis factor
2011.10.25, 05:00 PM
Its not unfair when its readily available to buy at staples..All you have to do is put your short arms in your deeeeeeeeeeeeeep pockets and buy them. hahahahahahahahahahahah;):D:D
see you friday buddy get ready because its not gonna be an easy win this week.............

bermbuster
2011.10.25, 08:55 PM
What has me confused is the title of the class.....box stock
if it didnt come in the box it is not allowed.....
I know in the big picture letting some enhancements slide is not going to be earth shaking and change results much. Why do we even have rules?
Im thinking these cars need to be locked up after the race each week.....:D
The only thing that should make these cars handle better is practice.....:cool:

herman
2011.10.25, 10:31 PM
hmmm.... berm does have a point... ;):cool:

arch2b
2011.10.25, 10:37 PM
I stuck with the Kyosho title, Kyosho stock, for our club. Simple and works.

herman
2011.10.25, 11:03 PM
hi arch... sorry to be off topic... what are your kyosho stock rules for your club?

machgo5go
2011.10.25, 11:27 PM
What has me confused is the title of the class.....box stock
if it didnt come in the box it is not allowed.....
I know in the big picture letting some enhancements slide is not going to be earth shaking and change results much. Why do we even have rules?
Im thinking these cars need to be locked up after the race each week.....:D
The only thing that should make these cars handle better is practice.....:cool:
http://www.toywonders.com/images/even-get-car.jpg
You are absolutely correct, practice makes it almost perfect.
Don't forget this just an expensive toy car, not billion dollars F1 cars and we are not Bernie of FIA with PARC FERME.;-)

bermbuster
2011.10.26, 07:30 AM
http://www.toywonders.com/images/even-get-car.jpg
You are absolutely correct, practice makes it almost perfect.
Don't forget this just an expensive toy car, not billion dollars F1 cars and we are not Bernie of FIA.;-)

Eddie your right about being toy cars....but this class is supposed to be the least expensive.....:D

now when a certain racer beat you one night.....you went all Bernie on him..;)
it is only toy car racing.....:cool:

Its all about FUN and Competition......:)

SabRC
2011.10.26, 08:00 AM
I agree with Eddie, Im sure most of us do this for fun and to get away from our daily work/home life...not something weights and measures needs to regulate, FDA or FIA race stewarts. Sometimes I think we spend more time trying to read between the lines, complain what someone elses is doing then just race. If someone cheats thats on their concious and they will eventually get caught. Also some of us , me included can cheat all we want and still not have a chance to win..lol...in the end it comes down to driving abilities and running a tight line.

Adding stickers is to add individuality, kind of hard to tell which all white car (8 running at a time) running down into the first corner is yours.

We always look at the advantages it can make, how about the disadvantages...added weight, drag if it lifts and if you pick the wrong stickers your car will just look ugly, lol....

Slubben
2011.10.26, 08:17 AM
Seriously are we arguing over the advantages of "wheel dots" ? I mean c'mon people.......

Secondly it's much harder to have a "box stock" racing series than it is a one shot box stock race. Sure everyone shows up one day pulls cars out of the box and goes that's awesome but, to keep a series going for multiple races you have to make concessions. You could easily have someone ruin a box stock tire and then say well all I have to put on it are these PN X patterns so that's what I'm going to run and then it tends to snowball. You have to concede that some parts may get damaged or destroyed during five weeks of racing and allow for some changes right off the bat. That's just common sense.

arch2b
2011.10.26, 08:29 AM
don't forget were on a forum :cool: were in a place where debating the nuances of wheel dots is considered the norm. just can't take it personally as anytime you set out a set of rules, there are going to be people taking it to the nth degree in specificity (see the kyosho usa thread on stock rules). thats just how it works. is it silly to debate the potential gains of stickers on wheels, out of context, sure. when you have tight, close racing, winners and losers, it's going to be a topic of discussion though.

hi arch... sorry to be off topic... what are your kyosho stock rules for your club?
like kyosho usa, we kept it to their rules which are simple and fair. bearings and tires brands are fair game (see specifics on tire materials), the rest is kyosho stock (wheels must be kyosho, matching sets and appropriate offset for the body/body type). box stock just isn't practical with the various tires that come with kits vs. chassis sets among other things. 'box stock' carries very specific connotations thus i avoid that term at all costs unless it's a true box stock.

SabRC
2011.10.26, 09:33 AM
I hear you opinions but remember this is a CLUB race. If we the club members see it fit to create such individuality and we all agree to it, so be it.

The rules set forth or addendums are not for the intention of National or Regional acceptance/ adherence (this is my opinion). Its for those racing at the club. Also everyone knows if you show up at Majs and have issues or questions we are a group of guys which are more then willing to ensure fair play and share the knowledge and provide help.

This is what makes Maj's place great. No matter if you hold a couple world mini-z records or just a beginner we all support one another. No one has any secrets. We learn from our mistakes and from each other and in the end this advances the hobby.

Slubben
2011.10.26, 09:52 AM
Yeah I agree with Sab. We all know what they say about opinions anyway. :cool:

bermbuster
2011.10.26, 10:15 AM
What has me confused is the title of the class.....box stock
if it didnt come in the box it is not allowed.....
I know in the big picture letting some enhancements slide is not going to be earth shaking and change results much. Why do we even have rules?
Im thinking these cars need to be locked up after the race each week.....:D
The only thing that should make these cars handle better is practice.....:cool:

If you read my post Im just asking a question?
Since the rules are always changing (evolving for the majority)
just call it the Vitz modified class and let everybody do there thing.....:cool:

Somebody told me this a long time ago(Potbelly) and I believe to be true...
Box Stock racing will never be the norm in the NJ area....

Slubben
2011.10.26, 11:14 AM
LOL Berm sometimes I'm scared to think what you would be up to if these forums did not exist?

arch2b
2011.10.26, 11:50 AM
I hear you opinions but remember this is a CLUB race. If we the club members see it fit to create such individuality and we all agree to it, so be it....

understood, sounds perfectly reasonable to me. your club certainly doesn't need approval or consensus from others outside your club on what you do for club races. i think some people just like to push the debate to the very last detail for the sake of doing it vs. simply accepting the common understanding of an issue. any talk of stock class rules has always generated this type of interest and response in just about every thread on the topic. this thread in particular has become muddled as it also includes broader scope discussion as other groups have asked questions expressing interest in what is going on here which has lead to additional debate. not necessarily of what Maj is doing but how the same applies to others who are looking to adopt.

bermbuster
2011.10.26, 11:53 AM
LOL Berm sometimes I'm scared to think what you would be up to if these forums did not exist?

Me too...:eek:
I would probably be a lobbyist in Washington DC.....:cool:

machgo5go
2011.10.26, 01:29 PM
I hear you opinions but remember this is a CLUB race. If we the club members see it fit to create such individuality and we all agree to it, so be it.

The rules set forth or addendums are not for the intention of National or Regional acceptance/ adherence (this is my opinion). Its for those racing at the club. Also everyone knows if you show up at Majs and have issues or questions we are a group of guys which are more then willing to ensure fair play and share the knowledge and provide help.

This is what makes Maj's place great. No matter if you hold a couple world mini-z records or just a beginner we all support one another. No one has any secrets. We learn from our mistakes and from each other and in the end this advances the hobby. Can't say it any better. I think is time back to work for some instead of bickering on a hobby.;)

bermbuster
2011.10.26, 02:09 PM
Can't say it any better. I think is time back to work for some instead of bickering on a hobby.;)

Who is bickering Bernie???;)
Just trying to find the answer to a question.......:cool:

Slubben
2011.10.26, 02:33 PM
It seems to me that the more answers that are put forth the more questions arise, perhaps someone is not looking for answers but, is looking for what they want to hear?

SabRC
2011.10.26, 03:04 PM
Who is bickering Bernie???;)
Just trying to find the answer to a question.......:cool:

God help Cali shops...lol. jking

One hears many answers. Which among them is the truth is not clear. ;)

themelis factor
2011.10.26, 08:51 PM
Since my car is the topic of discussion can I put my 2 cents in??
Since me running wheel dots is not (legal) I will take them off.
I will also just run 2 AAA batteries instead of 4 ohhh I might come in under weight;).. Or I might run 3 tires instead of 4 just to make it (fair).
Or even better I might not run motor wires that will really make it (fair).......

Anyway all joking aside to make a real box stock class your supposed to run hand out batteries that the hobby shop owner stores in house till the next race day. You purchase 2 packs of batteries from the shop no MATCHING allowed. You run them back to back charge race charge race........
No motor tweaking at all. Thats the real way of having a BOX stock class......
Now we have a variety of racers running this class we have begginer to expert. Like SAB said we all share info with each other to help the least experienced all the way to expert driver. Maj's hobby shop treats everyone
equal......Berm should know this by now.... I really have no buisness running this class I only run it to keep me running all night....And to top it off I still havent won 1 race:D:D.. Anyway I love it when people come on the forum and give advice on what rules we should abide by.....It would be great if we all got together and created 1 huge race that we can all enjoy each others company..........Berm when you come in for the holidays come by and race with us we all miss ya......This Box stock class is a BLAST.......

ruf993
2011.10.26, 10:19 PM
What has me confused is the title of the class.....box stock
if it didnt come in the box it is not allowed.....
I know in the big picture letting some enhancements slide is not going to be earth shaking and change results much. Why do we even have rules?
Im thinking these cars need to be locked up after the race each week.....:D
The only thing that should make these cars handle better is practice.....:cool:

Sorry Berm that rules are not that clear for ya, Here it is again for your viewing:

Kyosho VItz's Stock Challenge RUles: (FOR MHS BOX STOCK version)

Chassis: Kyosho MR03 High Mount
Track Width: (Must be original to the body selected)
Wheel Base: (Must be original to the body selected)

Body: Kyosho ASC or white body Vitz only!

Wheel wells may NOT be altered for tire clearance. Cabin windows must be retained and may NOT be lightened internally, polycarbonate (Lexan) windows NOT allowed. Headlight buckets and lenses or covers must be retained. Taillight lenses and housings must also remain installed. The rear fascia may NOT be cut. Small body parts such as mirrors, canards and exhaust pipes must be installed. If something is to break while on the track, it does not have to be reinstalled. Reinforcement to the inside of the body is legal, but hidden from view while looking at the outside of the body.

Wing: NONE (Can'T use anything)

Batteries: 4 x AAA NiMh or Alkaline (Lithium based batteries NOT allowed).

Wheels: Wheels must be original size to the body being used.(ONLY ASC Kyosho wheels are allowed) update 10/25 (Wheel Dot's will be alowed) I hear TFR is willing to give some free wheel Dot's for the racer who feel the need to look cool rollling on some wheel DOT"s;)

Tires: Front Must be the same ASC rubber tire that comes in the kit.
Rear ASC rubber tire that comes in the kit or optional spec tire (Kyosho radial narrow 30's)

(NO truing tires allowed)

Min Weight: None.

Motor: Kyosho stock motor only. (must remain intact from factory)

Motor Mount: Kyosho plastic motor mount associated with the body selected only!

Suspension: No upgrades allowed.(can only use what comes in a stock MR03 kit) Shimming and modding (modification, not exchange for aftermarket) is allowed, but only suspension that is associated with the stock motor mount and body are allowed. Greases and oils are permitted. Only parts associated with the stock front end can be used. Parts can be modded, but not used on a different front end. Bascially, you can do what you wish with the parts that come with the kit, but you can NOT add anything other than these parts. Stock springs (front and rear) ONLY! Stock T-H-plates ONLY!

Bearings: what ever comes in a stock MR03 kit (meaning plastic bearings only)

TX: ANY!



The Vitz's points rules:


5 week race that will run on our regular Friday night racing as one of the classes.

Entry fee is $15 for this class. $5 of each entry will be collected for $$ Gift Card prizes at the end of each weeks race.
Top 5 will be awarded the $$ GC accordingly to there results. (every week)
After the 5th week we will tally the total points collected of each racer and Crown the winners of the Vitz's Challenge.

thank's

Maj
CEO
majsrc.com


PS. thanks Landon ( you made it easy for me to make these rules since most of it was already written by you....):p:)

lfisminiz
2011.10.26, 10:38 PM
WHEEL DOTS ALWAYS LOOK COOL!!!!!!!!!;) Bridges the gap between a "real" looking racer and a big scale R.C. racer.:)

ruf993
2011.10.26, 10:44 PM
WHEEL DOTS ALWAYS LOOK COOL!!!!!!!!!;) Bridges the gap between a "real" looking racer and a big scale R.C. racer.:)

Larry we all know you have one of the best looking wheel dot's....

So when are we going to see your DG Vitz's with killer DOTs:D

ruf993
2011.10.26, 10:54 PM
LOL Berm sometimes I'm scared to think what you would be up to if these forums did not exist?

I'm almost think his world would sound like this:p

http://www.catawba.k12.nc.us/techtrac/plus/pattishall/cricketsound.wav

lfisminiz
2011.10.26, 10:54 PM
Larry we all know you have one of the best looking wheel dot's....

So when are we going to see your DG Vitz's with killer DOTs:D

Maj, wish i lived close enough to make it worth it for me.:(

See you for the shoot out!;)

herman
2011.10.27, 12:21 AM
first of all, let me start by saying.... let the love, peace and joy of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all...

anyway... it wasn't my intent of stirring up any controversy and/or conflict...

upon seeing one car (johnny themelis' in particular), i asked a seemingly innocent question....

are rim covers allowed?... seems like a great way to identify your car (especially if it's in a fluorescent color) and i believe that it slightly improves aerodynamics too... (i may be wrong though... can anybody confirm this?)

i read the rules prior to the latest update and found it to be in... er... a gray area, where it didn't say if it was or wasn't allowed... which is why i asked it in the first place... :D

now seeing that the rules have been updated... and reading it is allowed... my question is answered now... thank you all for clearing it up for me... :D

i believe that this class has a great potential to invite new racers into the hobby, keeping it cheap (due to the box stock format), fun (highlight and extra stress on fun) and simple (due to the simple rule restrictions for "box stock" cars)...

although box stock rules may differ from one club to another, i believe it should be made clear to everybody participating so that there will be no... er gray areas (case in point – wheel dots/stickers)... and if there are any, they should be discussed and addressed as early as possible to avoid any... heated arguments, untoward incidents, disgruntled drivers / customers, etc. etc.

in some races there is a technical committee that handles and addresses any questions that you may have regarding your car specs in a particular class...

my only hope is to see this particular class grow, for the reasons mentioned above... (simple rules, costs are kept down, and everybody is expected to have lots of fun)

anyway i've said my 2cents... and apologize if i've offended anybody or caused any ill will...

peace be with you all brothers... :D

good luck to all racers and hope to see the video's in your next race...
i'm enjoying just watching the races so please keep them coming... :D

bermbuster
2011.10.27, 12:22 AM
I'm almost think his world would sound like this:p

http://www.catawba.k12.nc.us/techtrac/plus/pattishall/cricketsound.wav

At least you could be original Maj.....:)
Davey G already used that soundbite on me.....:cool:

I just post things on the forum to make people think and listen to opinions......
I dont pick on people or become nasty. I get a kick out of how most of you react....:D

Number1
2011.10.27, 12:31 AM
Who are you kidding? You know you like to have all the unfair advantage you can get.:rolleyes::D

OMG, I was just busting Johnny's balls and you guys turn this into a legal debate.:rolleyes:

:D:D:D:D:D:D

SabRC
2011.10.27, 04:08 AM
Well I decided to take this topic all the way to Kyosho Headquarters and this was the result of their board meeting over majs box stock rules...Once the topic of allowing $.10 wheel dots came up all hell broke loose...:p:p Enjoy:D:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCQI8RrBVk&feature=related

sammy saks
2011.10.27, 09:18 AM
Well I decided to take this topic all the way to Kyosho Headquarters and this was the result of their board meeting over majs box stock rules...Once the topic of allowing $.10 wheel dots came up all hell broke loose...:p:p Enjoy:D:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCQI8RrBVk&feature=related

Was that Roland on the lower left corner of that video?:)

bermbuster
2011.10.27, 09:44 AM
Maj's hobby shop treats everyone
equal......Berm should know this by now.... I really have no buisness running this class I only run it to keep me running all night....And to top it off I still havent won 1 race:D:D.. Anyway I love it when people come on the forum and give advice on what rules we should abide by.....

John I NEVER question how the shop treats racers.....Majs is always Top Shelf....
You SHOULD race in the class.....The challenge for you in this class you are out of your element......Your used to setting up a fast LCG mini z.....No doubt you will master the class.....:cool:
You werent racing back in the day when Roland dominated the 015 class running a PT Cruiser.....:D

If you read my post I never questioned the rules and or the Dots....
I questioned the name of the class....
Everyone questions my motives.....They are simple....Mini Z racing needs an entry level class and a box stock class makes sense.....Unfortunately in the Metro NYC area and the SoCal area you dont get an influx of new racers
How do you attract new racers? Having a class that is simple and well defined works....along with a cost that is easy on the wallet in this economy.


For the racers whos panties got in a bunch over my posts....go commando....

Number1
2011.10.27, 10:07 AM
Well I decided to take this topic all the way to Kyosho Headquarters and this was the result of their board meeting over majs box stock rules...Once the topic of allowing $.10 wheel dots came up all hell broke loose...:p:p Enjoy:D:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCQI8RrBVk&feature=related

(Wheel dots)To be or not to be(allowed)?. Looks like it will be decided by the supreme court.:D

Slubben
2011.10.27, 10:17 AM
As per Maj's post yesterday wheel dots are allowed. I'm gonna hit up staples.

ROBG
2011.10.27, 10:43 AM
So let me get this straight, wheel dots are allowed? Is this an open class now?:D:D:D:D

sammy saks
2011.10.27, 11:23 AM
Hey can someone plse post the colors allowed for the wheel dots...I mean is it only white or any color is legal...and while u at it can u post the legal weight limit for the dots...is the lighted weight ones are legal?
Hahah..u clowns make me laugh....good entertaining topic for laughs though:)

ROBG
2011.10.27, 11:31 AM
I miss this stuff just as much as the racing. If you can't joke around with friends then who can you joke around with? :cool:

Slubben
2011.10.27, 11:45 AM
The legality of your wheel dots is determined by multiplying your tire height times Pi (3.14) and then dividing by the weight of your vehicle all while simultaneously swinging a live chicken around your head and saying "why can't we all just get along".

SabRC
2011.10.27, 01:12 PM
...simultaneously swinging a live chicken around your head and saying "why can't we all just get along".

Live chicken...what kind!!! ...Rooster or Hen, weight, height. I'm worried if the chicken is not perfectly feathered we need to rethink this calculation due to aerodynamic properties. Also what if you are a animal rights activist. Why not use Celery or Carrots? We want to make sure no animals are hurt during the determination of wheel dot. :D:D:D:D:D:D

This is just as fun as racing now...lol

Slubben
2011.10.27, 01:21 PM
To make things interesting you will need to use an Rosecomb Bantam chicken of approximately 2 - 3 pounds.

Everything should be clear as a bell now.

ROBG
2011.10.27, 01:53 PM
To make things interesting you will need to use an Rosecomb Bantam chicken of approximately 2 - 3 pounds.

Everything should be clear as a bell now.

That is a hell of a c*ck!

Slubben
2011.10.27, 01:58 PM
The reality is that any chickens will suffice but, be warned some breeds tend to make a lot of noise and produce very little.

Number1
2011.10.27, 03:24 PM
Live chicken...what kind!!! ...Rooster or Hen, weight, height. I'm worried if the chicken is not perfectly feathered we need to rethink this calculation due to aerodynamic properties. Also what if you are a animal rights activist. Why not use Celery or Carrots? We want to make sure no animals are hurt during the determination of wheel dot. :D:D:D:D:D:D

This is just as fun as racing now...lol

To make things interesting you will need to use an Rosecomb Bantam chicken of approximately 2 - 3 pounds.

Everything should be clear as a bell now.

To make rules easy to understand, follow and enforce a featherless chicken should also be considered.

ruf993
2011.10.27, 03:43 PM
At least you could be original Maj.....:)
Davey G already used that soundbite on me.....:cool:

I just post things on the forum to make people think and listen to opinions......
I dont pick on people or become nasty. I get a kick out of how most of you react....:D

I did not what to put as much as effort as Dave did so that's why it was not original. Now if this was an important topic... that's another story.:p

You ever think We already know how you want us to react...:eek: I'm just trying to humour you.:D

It's All good Berm we have been down this road before... In a few weeks this will just be another dead topic.

In the end It's all about having fun. I know the 8-10 guys that are running this class in the past few weeks are having a blast... if you are in NJ anytime soon you should ck us out....

ruf993
2011.10.27, 03:50 PM
first of all, let me start by saying.... let the love, peace and joy of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all...

anyway... it wasn't my intent of stirring up any controversy and/or conflict...

upon seeing one car (johnny themelis' in particular), i asked a seemingly innocent question....



i read the rules prior to the latest update and found it to be in... er... a gray area, where it didn't say if it was or wasn't allowed... which is why i asked it in the first place... :D

now seeing that the rules have been updated... and reading it is allowed... my question is answered now... thank you all for clearing it up for me... :D

i believe that this class has a great potential to invite new racers into the hobby, keeping it cheap (due to the box stock format), fun (highlight and extra stress on fun) and simple (due to the simple rule restrictions for "box stock" cars)...

although box stock rules may differ from one club to another, i believe it should be made clear to everybody participating so that there will be no... er gray areas (case in point wheel dots/stickers)... and if there are any, they should be discussed and addressed as early as possible to avoid any... heated arguments, untoward incidents, disgruntled drivers / customers, etc. etc.

in some races there is a technical committee that handles and addresses any questions that you may have regarding your car specs in a particular class...

my only hope is to see this particular class grow, for the reasons mentioned above... (simple rules, costs are kept down, and everybody is expected to have lots of fun)

anyway i've said my 2cents... and apologize if i've offended anybody or caused any ill will...

peace be with you all brothers... :D

good luck to all racers and hope to see the video's in your next race...
i'm enjoying just watching the races so please keep them coming... :D


No Problem Herman it was a great question.... Hope it I answer the best I can.

I see you are from my native country... how's things over there. If you ever planning a visit to the US hit me up... I'll hook ya up pare! ;)

sammy saks
2011.10.27, 04:16 PM
Hey in the spirit of rules..
Any one who get caught running a chicken flavor wheel dots should be disqualified from racing....hahahaha

EMU
2011.10.27, 05:13 PM
Hey in the spirit of rules..
Any one who get caught running a chicken flavor wheel dots should be disqualified from racing....hahahaha

Who is going to tech the flavor of the dots?

themelis factor
2011.10.27, 07:58 PM
Who is going to tech the flavor of the dots?

you should come down one friday and race this class you would love it

EMU
2011.10.27, 08:40 PM
you should come down one friday and race this class you would love it

I know I would, but Friday racing is very difficult for me.

bermbuster
2011.10.27, 09:01 PM
i just ordered some Carbon Fiber Dots for my Vitz.....:D
Now im getting ready to make some custom waterslides.....:cool:

Now i just got to get some time back on the East Coast....

machgo5go
2011.10.27, 11:53 PM
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/VitzMedium-1.jpgIt's Friday so come get your free DOTS while supply last!

lfisminiz
2011.10.28, 05:27 AM
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/VitzMedium-1.jpgIt's Friday so come get your free DOTS while supply last!

Eddie,
Are those the Stapples dots or something else?:)

machgo5go
2011.10.28, 07:14 AM
Eddie,
Are those the Stapples dots or something else?:)
http://blog.discoveryeducation.com/blog/files/2010/08/373881476_217d24ef6d.jpg;)

imxlr8ed
2011.10.28, 09:11 AM
They look like... Bingo chips? :confused:

Steal some from Grandma? :D

Sorry... I'll go back to lurking.

Number1
2011.10.29, 12:19 PM
Videos from last night:

Open Stock A-Main /Camera1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyAwc_AE34s

Open Stock A-Main /Camera2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiEKZLjz7AU

machgo5go
2011.10.30, 08:27 PM
Videos from last night:

Open Stock A-Main /Camera1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyAwc_AE34s

Open Stock A-Main /Camera2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiEKZLjz7AU
Great Director Producer job Mr. Vitz!
Of course your victories continue, good job also!

machgo5go
2011.10.31, 12:57 PM
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/001oct/sema%20preview/sp21.jpg

I know Roland don't care for the real thing but I wish I can find the Red ASC from Palm Runners since here is the next generation of club racer.

Slubben
2011.10.31, 01:21 PM
Wow that looks great. I'd drive that!

ROBG
2011.10.31, 01:43 PM
that's sick!

herman
2011.11.01, 11:13 PM
No Problem Herman it was a great question.... Hope it I answer the best I can.

I see you are from my native country... how's things over there. If you ever planning a visit to the US hit me up... I'll hook ya up pare! ;)

holy camote... :D:eek::confused: i had no idea that you're... pinoy... :D

thanks for the invite... hopefully if and when i do get to the US, i hope to drop by and visit... :D

herman
2011.11.01, 11:17 PM
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/001oct/sema%20preview/sp21.jpg


that's a mean looking vitz.... kinda reminds me like the toyota f1 livery... :eek::cool:

bermbuster
2011.11.07, 08:00 PM
It's All good Berm we have been down this road before... In a few weeks this will just be another dead topic.

Maj you were right.....:D

Now we need the crickets.....:cool:

My Business has gotten real busy out in California and I had to change plans....
looks like I may miss out on this series....:mad:
I may run the Vitz in the stock class at the Kyosho race out here in December.

Looks like Roland is running away with the series......:)

Number1
2011.11.12, 02:10 PM
Maj you were right.....:D

Looks like Roland is running away with the series......:)

I was, until you mention it.:rolleyes::D Eddie just beat me last night. Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUXGezPLmPE

herman
2011.11.14, 03:47 AM
pretty cool video... looked like a tight race all the way up to the end...
thanks for sharing :D