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Fovea3d
2012.01.04, 10:01 PM
I will start with a collection of bodies, they will be available for both the Mini-z and dNano unless specified:

Available & WIP

Fiat X1/9 Dallara for dNano (http://www.shapeways.com/model/417342/dallara_dnano.html?gid=ug) & Mini-z (http://www.shapeways.com/model/608328/mini-z-dolora.html)
'73 Opel Kadett GT/E for Mini-z (http://www.shapeways.com/model/420830/kadett_c_mini_z.html?gid=ug)
Lotus Exige for Mini-z (http://www.shapeways.com/model/427478/mini_z_exige.html?gid=ug) & dNano (http://www.shapeways.com/model/608133/dnano-edwige.html)
**** '72 Chevy Camaro for Mini-z (http://www.shapeways.com/model/464556/mini_z_camaro.html?gid=sg31511)
Shara MT1 for Mini-z (http://www.shapeways.com/model/470386/shara_mini_z.html) & dNano (http://www.shapeways.com/model/608259/dnano-shara.html)
***'71 Plymouth Barracuda for Mini-z (http://www.shapeways.com/model/477970/mini_z_cuda.html?gid=sg31511)
*2000 Honda Insight for Mini-z MA010 done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/594934/insight-body.html) + front body clip, small parts and wheels (http://www.shapeways.com/model/594933/insight-parts.html)
*****Chevrolet Corvette Daytona Prototype - 102mm aka Deep Purple - Le Mans done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/611071/deep-purple-le-mans.html)
**** Cadillac cts-v coupe racer done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/621317/mini-z-cts.html)
Renault 19 done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/615998/mini-z-19.html)


Then I have enough documentation to start working on these (* = votes)

****Alpine A110
Aston Martin DB5 (James Bond version)
BMW 2002 Turbo
*BMW M1
Austin Haeley
*Bugatti Veyron
*Bugatti Type 64
****CitroŽn 2CV
*CitroŽn DS for FWD or RWD with extension kits (wb126mm)
*CitroŽn Mehari
Corvette 69
De Tomaso Pantera
***Dodge Challenger 70
'70 Meyers Manx dune buggy > version for the MZ buggy chassis as well as RWD racer in RM)
* Ford Capri
* Ford Escort MKI
Ford GT40 (the classic GT)
*****Ford Mustang Boss 302 or 429
*Ford Mustang 390-GT 68 Bullit
*Gumpert Appolo GT
Jaguar E type
*Koenigsegg CCGT
Lamborghini Urraco or Jalpa
*Lister Storm
Lola T70
Lotus Esprit
*Lotus Seven/Caterham (maybe for F1 Chassis)
Mercedes 300SL
Mercedes 280 SL
Morris Minimoke the prisoneer
**Pagani Zonda
*Pontiac GTO the Judge
Pontiac Trans Am 72
**Pontiac Trans Am 77 Smokey and the Bandit
*** Porsche 917 K (Mini-z version)
** Porsche Carrera RS 73 94-98 + Fuchs wheels
*Renault 12 gordini
*Shelby GT350
*Shelby Cobra (dNano version)
Spyker C8
Tesla roadster
*Vector W2

Suggested

* 74 Nova SS
*** 71 Chevelle
** Hot rod (race worthy)
** nissan 370z nissmo 94mm +1F/R
****69 Camaro
**82-92 camaro and trans am
** Porsche 914
*** Alfa Romeo 155Ti DTM
* WRC Ford Focus 2008 - Abu Dhabi
**57 chevy truck
*80 full size chevy
*85 to 91 chevy s10
*KTM XBow for chassis testing
***1984 Honda Mugen Ballade Sport CRX
**1989 Honda CRX SiR (ef8)
***Dodge Charger 69/70
*99 civic hatch
*Jdm integra
*Eclipse 97-99
*Fiat 131 Abarth
*Lotus Elise (should be easy by editing the Exige)
*Toyota MR2 gen2
*Nissan Sil80/180sx
*Lamborghini Gallardo race trim 2N/2W offset (Mini-z version only)
***Honda/Mugen CRX 90mm
*2011-2012 Mugen CRZ
*Sterling Nova Condorman version
*Dodge Viper Competition Coupe
*Short track racer
*Armored vehicle/jgsd for the buggy chassis
*Tamiya Hornet for the buggy chassis
* vw concept golf w12
** AMX Javelin 74
* Corvette C6 LeMans
*BMW M3 really wide
*Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
**ford raptor svt 2010 for Overland
**Mercedes Benz GT3
****BMW M3 DTM 2012
*BMW KS 850
*87' Buick grand national
*'58 Plymouth Fury/Christine
*Honda s800 86mm HM
***Mini Cooper (classic) 86mm HM with fenders + version for dnano
*Mercedes A class
*Toyota MR2 gen2 90mm
*RB8 for Mini-z F1
**Jaguar XJR(x) "Silk Cut"
*Peugeot 905 Le Mans
*Porsche 356
*Ferrari P330
*Peugeot 405T16 Pikes Peak
**Peugeot 205 GTI/Rallye
*****Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA
*1st gen Toyota MR2
*Mercedes Benz 190E Evolution I and II
*1990 Volkswagen Corrado
*Koenig-Specials Competition I and II
*Koenig-Specials Ferrari Testarossa Twin Turbo
*Koenig-Specials Ferrari 355
*Koenig-Specials Porsche 911 Roadrunner
*Koenig-Specials 928
*Koenig-Specials C62 (street legal 962)
*Koenig-Specials Mercedes 500 CLK? I forget which the small one is.
*Koenig-Specials BMW-850
*Koenig-Specials Lamborghini Countach
*Koenig-Specials Lamborghini Diablo
*1972 Honda Z Coupe for Lit
*Bugatti eb110
*Volkswagen Corrado
*Lotus Plethora
*Zenvo ST1
**Alfa Romeo GTV6
*Mercedes CLK GTR for dNano
*93 Mazda RX-7
*93 Mazda MX-3/AZ-3
*96 Mazda MX-5/Miata
*Datsun 510
*84 Chrysler Lebaron coupe
** Honda CR-Z GT-1 > short wheelbase
**dNano kart
*** Audi R18
**Ford F-100 for Overland/Monster
**'79 Ford Bronco for Overland/Monster
*'70 Plymouth Roadrunner / Dodge Super Bee
*'70 Plymouth Superbird / Dodge Charger Daytona
*'67-68 Ford Mustang Fastback
*Nissan AE86 for dNano
*Renault 8 Gordini
*Renault 5 Turbo
*Mad Max Pursuit Special (yellow 4 door sedan)

Parts------------------

-adjustable height side body clips done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/430527/mini_z_adjustable_side_clips.html)
-Chassis that has batteries accessible without removing the body.
-Wide body/fender flares for specific bodies.
-Adjustable wing for MZ and MZ Buggy
-MR03 RM & MM T-Plates in 4 hardness (http://www.shapeways.com/model/478889/mini-z-mr03-T-plates.html)
-MR02/015 RM & MM H plates in 4 hardness (http://www.shapeways.com/model/478886/mini-z-mr02-t-plates.html)
-dNano H plates in 6 hardness (http://www.shapeways.com/model/478883/dnano-h-plates.html)

Please vote for the cars you would like to see done in priority.

Some articles in my shop may be tagged "not for sale". This is temporary and means that I made it print for myself in order to check is everything is OK.

Videos

The White Strong and Flexible material for dNano body video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhs2lW5x36Q)
How it is printed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBNGnfoGGfQ&feature=player_embedded)


Stay tuned

Alain

byebye
2012.01.04, 10:49 PM
Subscribed and excited to see this evolve.

Kris

imxlr8ed
2012.01.04, 11:32 PM
If printed parts are good enough for the aerospace industry, they should be good enough for RC. I'd do some extensive crash testing first if you ever sell them as race bodies.

The parts I've designed that are printable are usually for decorative or non-structural systems. Fairly brittle but I'm certain we are not getting them in the most current resins. I even had some custom hide-away headset holders printed up last year... that was awesome! Straight from my screen, through inspection and onto the aircraft! This stuff is just getting too cool to ignore lately.

I'd look into designing a separate side clip system that can be lowered or raised. Might be beneficial to the racing crowd.

I have to vote for a 74 Nova SS just because... 71 Chevelle, just because... trying to re-live my youth on RCP. 73 Camaro will work too.

I look forward to your results, best of luck!

imxlr8ed
2012.01.04, 11:50 PM
Ok... Just watched the D-Nano vid, that stuff seems to be the perfect level of rigidity! Is that sealed after printing? I know the chalky material can get finished and sealed with something like super glue. How does paint hold up on it? Does it soak in at all? Any plans for thin lexan windows?

Fovea3d
2012.01.05, 12:24 AM
Well I broked it (finally :) )
The crazy guy stepped on it...

I have another one on the way which is the polished version, + added some details and made the door joints thicker, because they were barely noticeable on this version. V3.0 will have step proof reinforcements ;)

Thats what is nice with RP, a model can always evolve.

I'm with you with the modular mounting clips. Thats something to experiment.
I already designed several H and T plates (http://www.shapeways.com/model/422511/h_t.html?gid=ug) 1 and 2mm thick in this material and in black. Some of them have funky designs, they are in fact extensible to fit my model kit adaptations. Thats perfect for experimenting the resistance of that stuff.

Yep the material is chalky/porous. It is not waterproof at all so if you spray it the paint will show through. I heard of the superglue tip but that would be quite expensive for a large surface. And that thing is thirsty! I experimented with Klear/Future wich is an acrylic varnish. I brushed with Klear until the plastic can take no more, let it dry and tested some coats of Tamiya primer.
After rubbering the second coat of primer hurray some shine (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120102dallara/Traitement.jpg) did show.
It really has to be sealed in some way or it is a no go with this material. Too bad it is also the strongest.

Lexan windows: well that would make it complicate having the bodies made at SW and the windows coming from some other place. The windows painted in shiny black really do not disturb, at least from a distance.

chad508
2012.01.05, 12:26 AM
This looks to be pretty sweet. I would like to try one out on a mini z as soon as you have something ready. I vote for the Bugatti and the gumpert for a race body. But I would love to have a old hot rod body. A Shelby 350gt or a camaro would be great. I'm for sure keeping my eye on the thread

byebye
2012.01.05, 12:43 AM
I'd like
-Chassis that has batteries accessible without removing the body.

-Wide body/fender flares for specific bodies.

more to follow.

Kris

2.7RS
2012.01.05, 03:18 AM
Brilliant!
I'd like to see the following:
Porsche carrera RS73 for wb 94-98
Porsche carrera RS73 for wb 94-98
Porsche carrera RS73 for wb 94-98
Porsche 917k
Audi r8
And of course the Porsche carrera RS73 for wb 94-98:)

Edit:
Almost forgot. How about Fuchs wheels for the carrera? in watherver offset that corresponds to the size of the body.

Digitalis West
2012.01.05, 03:22 AM
Switching from a laser sintered 3D printing technology to a UV cure printing technology will give you a much better surface finish and should yield improved model detail. I do not know of any places with the nice online shop model that Shapeways has and PolyJet printing. However, the materials and output may be closer to what you are looking for. I use RedEye for printing jobs at my work but there are many others companies around who print with this kind of equipment. It should not matter much who you pick. Of all the printing systems I have used the PolyJet/Objet/Photopolymer systems provide the best surface finish by a good margin.

GrowIt has some nice videos (http://www.growit3d.com/videos/) on the different technologies.

Fovea3d
2012.01.05, 10:56 AM
2.7 RS: this (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/RS.jpg) is what it should look like ;)
I thought of modify a 934 white body into a RS but that would be too much work. +1 for the assorted Fuchs wheels...
Oh and added the BMW 2002 turbo (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/2002Turbo.jpg) to the list.

Digitalis: Thanks, yes the problem with Shapeways is that it is rather basic and public than professionally oriented, there is certainly a way to obtain the correct material with pro suppliers, for now I will focus on the design of the models themselves. They still can be made by other RP companies as they all support .stl, why not for special orders.

I will stick some time with the ease of use of the SW shop. Probably things will improve their side too as they keep toying with new equipments and materials. Also it may be good for the hobby if a collection of MZ bodies stands out in the Shapeways catalog.

Probably I could build my own shop and freely choose a specific supplier, if it takes off. We will see.

Today I received the first body designed for the MZ chassis. Again, the material is awsome. The weight is just under 24 grs, including the bodyclips and attached accessories. The body is quite big, comparable in size to the BMW M3 K body.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k008.jpg

More pics

01 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k001.jpg)

02 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k002.jpg)

03 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k003.jpg)

04 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k004.jpg)

The front clip (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k005.jpg) is printed with the body as a whole, it is positionned above the slot (and not in it ;) ) Pre-cut and easy to take away.

The side clips (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k006.jpg) are integrated and reinforced

The typical muffler (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k007.jpg) of the GTE is also integrated

Some support material is stuck and hard to remove from the grill (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k008.jpg) On the V2.0 I will design a less recessed grill.

09 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k009.jpg)

10 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k010.jpg)

11 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k011.jpg)

12 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k012.jpg)

The weight (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/k013.jpg) This was before cutting the front clip away

The real car (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/kadettgte.jpg)

JuniorWKR
2012.01.05, 11:03 AM
Please make the new nissan 370z nissmo for miniz in 94 mill with a width that could accept plus 1 rims front and rear...

Slubben
2012.01.05, 11:18 AM
Make some vintage American muscle

GTO
CHALLENGER
GT350
Cuda
all get my vote but, I'd also like a 69 Camaro.

bermbuster
2012.01.05, 12:15 PM
73 Camaro....:cool:

B-main
2012.01.05, 12:52 PM
can you copy 1/10 scale touring car bodies

imxlr8ed
2012.01.05, 01:20 PM
Might get better resolution on the more visible flat surfaces of the vehicles if they were printed vertically as opposed to ground up.

I wonder how a flexible type of urethane paint would work for these bodies?

2.7RS
2012.01.05, 04:29 PM
Yeah! Thats the one:)
I have not made any calculations, but making it 94 or 98 mm wb should probably/hopefully make it wide enough to make it fit a mr02. At least it would fit the mr03n without widened fenders.
If you are doing the fuchs wheels, why not print a 914 also? Would make for a classic porsche cup:)

lfisminiz
2012.01.05, 09:23 PM
Im in when and if you get to sell the bodies. Im with JR........make most bodies to accept +1 rims all around at the minimum.

Fovea3d
2012.01.05, 11:13 PM
Might get better resolution on the more visible flat surfaces of the vehicles if they were printed vertically as opposed to ground up.

I wonder how a flexible type of urethane paint would work for these bodies?

You are right and some users already asked for that option to shapeways, it will probably made possible in the future as an option when uploading.
The lines would be only noticeable on the front and rear.

Paint: I am soaking the kadett every half hour (=when the last coat is dry) in Future/clear. Then I will sand it down and apply Tamiya primer. Hopfully the pores will be filled.

2.7: I made an adaptation of a 1/24 934 model kit once. It was way bigger than the K version of the 934 and had 98mm wb. Was also pretty wide. The Carrera has no wide fenders but should still accept +1.

With 98, or 102, the bodies should be large and wide most of the time.

Some muscle cars are definitely planned. I forgot the 390GT, bullit one, with a high stance :)

MiniPunch
2012.01.06, 12:53 AM
Awesome!!

How about some modern American muscle? Z06/ZR1 Corvette, Mustang GT/GT500, etc...

NoBrainer
2012.01.06, 04:27 AM
Yes -> Porsche Carrera RS 73 94-98 + Fuchs wheels

And I think I would "need" a "CitroŽn 2CV"

:D

leonen
2012.01.06, 10:24 AM
No Zonda? or Porsche 917 ?

Fovea3d
2012.01.06, 10:54 PM
Hi Leonen, they are both in the list with your vote!

Update on the Opel, finaly the paint went OK. The Future/Klear sealing was perfect. After a rather sparse sanding I spayed 2 coats of Tamiya primer, sanded again then 2 coats of TS-31.
After drying as usual the TS lost a bit of shine but no unusual reaction ruining everything so far ;)
I will wait before detailing, painting the windows etc, then several clear coats to protect it.
Weight so far: 28gr ;) (4 coats of paint).
I forgot to mention that I did not try to save any weight with that particular body. Some details like the bumpers, the headlights etc are filled and not hollow. Also the walls are 1mm thick and could be thinned down to 0.7mm max.
This gives me the idea to design a special weight saving race body later.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/kpeinture02.jpg

Fovea3d
2012.01.07, 01:23 AM
a separate side clip system that can be lowered or raised. Might be beneficial to the racing crowd.

I think I have something (http://www.shapeways.com/model/430527/mini_z_adjustable_side_clips.html).
The part that locks the body now slides on the base on 2 rails. It is attached with a 6.5mm screw with a wheel bolt on the other side. It can move + 3mm to -3mm. There are marks to tune both sides equaly.

I will order the first one for myself and check it.

Fovea3d
2012.01.07, 03:55 AM
This one is done. No close up this time, my hand was shaky :p

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/kad1000.jpg

NoBrainer
2012.01.07, 07:59 AM
ah Love it

Even if it's a Opel. But at least something else than what I'm used to see.
Great work!

MiniPunch
2012.01.08, 12:31 PM
I agree - even though it's not my favorite car :D, I think this is very cool. Great work, and looking forward to seeing more!

Fovea3d
2012.01.08, 01:07 PM
Don't be too disappointed with that first MZ body printed (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120105kadett/retouches.jpg) :D The Opel was my first car when I had my license and I got to do it for the Mini-z ;) Raceworthy cars are coming...

There seem to be a reaction with the paint (Tamiya TS). I sprayed 3 days ago and little bubbles continue to show up. I keep erasing them with car paint compound but the reaction continues. This is making me nervous. If the print material can't be painted with Tamiya cans this is a big issue. I found this story (http://www.shapeways.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=7213) which is not very engaging.

arch2b
2012.01.08, 01:19 PM
seems simple enough, use acrylics.

BrandonGR
2012.01.09, 03:36 AM
How about an adapter that allows the use of MR-03 t-plates on the MR-02? It would be great to have the Q-Tec t-plate on my MR-02.

Maybe it is also possible to make crush washers for the front wheels with the harder material.

Fovea3d
2012.01.09, 12:16 PM
Brandon: at first look that won't work as the MR03 T plate is longer, it would block the switch.
Arch: thats what I thought but it is a limitation.
Just coated the kadett with clear Tamiya TS13 and it seems OK so far.

fenderbaum
2012.01.10, 11:40 AM
Nice! My vote for the ford Escort, Capri and the Porsche 914!

kyoshosan
2012.01.10, 08:28 PM
My all time favorites and my choices are:
- Alfa Romeo 155Ti DTM
- WRC Ford Focus 2008 - Abu Dhabi

B-main
2012.01.10, 09:24 PM
Can you do trucks like 57 chevy 80s fullsize chevy and 85 to 91 s10

byebye
2012.01.10, 11:04 PM
Ktm x bow. Or something similar for chassis testing.

Kris

Fovea3d
2012.01.13, 05:24 AM
Ktm x bow. Or something similar for chassis testing.

Kris

XBOW: Excellent!

Received the Lotus Exige in 98mm today

IMO a perfect alternative to the Mc Laren F1 but with +3R

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/01.jpg

More pics (http://www.nanospeeders.com/forum_z/index.php?showtopic=1580&st=40&#entry13431)





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lfisminiz
2012.01.13, 05:34 AM
Awesome!!:)

arch2b
2012.01.13, 07:58 AM
thats a sexy race car, nothing wrong with a wide bottom:p

hrdrvr
2012.01.13, 04:06 PM
That Lotus looks like an awesome race shell!! I have one question, can the windshield be cut out and replaced with lexan? I know the top of the car would lose some rigidity, and weight loss doesn't seem necessary, but I need a place to shoot a lap counter through, and would prefer the clear windshield to a hole in the body somewhere.

99jdmgsr
2012.01.13, 04:48 PM
I would like to see the
Koenigsegg CCGT
Both mustangs listed
The Audi r8
Some imports like stuff drive daily like a
99 civic hatch
Jdm integra
Eclipse 97-99
Some muscle
camaro
Charger 69
Barricuda
370z

Simmo
2012.01.14, 01:21 AM
I would love to see
1984 Honda Mugen Ballade Sport CRX
1989 Honda CRX SiR (ef8)
both to fit MA-010

whats the average price for a shell btw?

Fovea3d
2012.01.14, 05:29 PM
The price depends on how much plastic is used for the print.

For a MZ size shell, it costs around $40 and for the dNano around $25.
This is why the lighter shell with the thinest walls the cheaper.
So far I made the walls quite thin: 0.9mm and yet sturdy, the lower limit for print is 0.7mm, while an injected plastic MZ shell is 1.5 to 2mm thick.
Parts like T plates, mounts, wheels, are way cheaper.

@Landon: that could be made in the design phase, say a pre-cutting line around the windows and a reinforcing rib under the window pillars.
Also I was thinking making the windows (still opaque) as a separate part to make the painting easier.

I hope some transparent material will be available at one point. People in the community are also asking for chrome plating. Thats good ;)

Now testing the dNano H plate in the same material dyed in black.
A little soft with 1mm thick but the break point is way above the stock one. In fact it would fold but not brake (think soda bottle plastic).

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/Hplate.jpg

arch2b
2012.01.15, 12:02 AM
what about this (http://store.makerbot.com/thing-o-matic-kit-mk7.html) option? says abs plastic like lego blocks

Fovea3d
2012.01.15, 06:31 AM
what about this (http://store.makerbot.com/thing-o-matic-kit-mk7.html) option? says abs plastic like lego blocks
Its in my wish list ;) Just waiting V2.0 with a finer resolution required for our use. But very promising (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fScRYhq-5M0&feature=player_embedded).

Simmo
2012.01.15, 11:11 PM
Cool! $40 is a reasonable price :) is this material stronger then the normal plastic used on the chassis?

MiniPunch
2012.01.15, 11:33 PM
This is way cool - you're onto something here, for sure. I'd definitely be interested in purchasing some bodies.

color01
2012.01.16, 01:46 AM
Are there any special design considerations other than the wall thickness and attachment of extra parts (body mounts, mirrors, etc.) that we have to worry about if we want to design our own body for printing? Otherwise I could start designing some fun aero features into a custom body myself, wouldn't that be nice... ;)

Simmo
2012.01.16, 02:59 AM
Chassis would be an awesome replacement. What do we nee to do in order to design a specific body/ spare parts? Also I just thought of another shell that would be awesome... A Fiat 131 Abarth :| would be amazing!

Fovea3d
2012.01.16, 06:21 AM
Brian,
The 3d model must be watertight (no holes in the geometry).
All other answers you can find in the shapeways forum and faq.

Simmo: the plastic feels more resistant but is also more flexible. For a chassis this could result with rigidity problems. Has to be tested.

As said the models and parts will be for sale after some updates are made on them.
Shapeways is just like any online shop where each modeler has is own sub shop. The parts are made on demand and directly shipped to the customer by shapeways and it takes up to 10 days. Example of available product (http://www.shapeways.com/model/436329/seg_carriage_nz120.html?gid=mg)

First coat of primer on the Exige:

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/exigeappret.jpg

Simmo
2012.01.16, 08:50 PM
How much for shipping to brisbane, Australia?

Fovea3d
2012.01.17, 02:36 PM
How much for shipping to brisbane, Australia?
Not very good for Australia shipping (http://www.shapeways.com/blog/archives/1031-Updated-Shipping-Costs.html).
I hope they will change that, maybe with a slow option.

imxlr8ed
2012.01.17, 02:57 PM
Any crash testing on it yet? The Lotus looks like a perfect match... Was it scaled up a bit to fit the wheelbase? The resolution looks much better... how much sanding was involved before the paint went on?

Fovea3d
2012.01.17, 03:36 PM
Any crash testing on it yet? The Lotus looks like a perfect match... Was it scaled up a bit to fit the wheelbase? The resolution looks much better... how much sanding was involved before the paint went on?
I did not race it yet but will next sunday. I am preparing it for that.
It was scaled to fit 98mm wheelbase, in fact the scale is 1:23.4, a little big for an Exige but it is not shocking. The tracks are wide because the Exige is a short car. In MZ scale it would be 86 or 90mm.
I really smoothed the upper surface only, where the print lines were obvious.
Sanding is problematic with the exige, particulary in the inaccessible areas, like under the wing or in small recesses.
It will smooth much faster if it has been sealed with acrylic varnish (I used the Klear/Future dipping tip). When doing that the varnish will sand flush to the plastic, ready to receive Tamiya primer. If not sealed, the pores will absorb the primer endlessly and it could be expensive.

chad508
2012.01.17, 03:42 PM
what doe you think it would do using dye instead of paint. atleast for the base coat? i have also been on the shapeways site looking at other things forsell and was woundering if the optional colors would be available in these bodies.

Fovea3d
2012.01.17, 04:03 PM
what doe you think it would do using dye instead of paint. atleast for the base coat? i have also been on the shapeways site looking at other things forsell and was woundering if the optional colors would be available in these bodies.

Sure, this material can be ordered in several colours, I think black, blue and red. But keep in mind that the surface will still be porous and grainy, also the dye only penetrate by 1 or 2mm into the material. If you look my previous post with the dnano H plate, it was ordered dyed in black (not really black but blueish black).

BTW finished the details on the Exige, will let it dry and correct them with precision. I will wait 1 or two weeks before clear coating it.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/exigedetails.jpg

Simmo
2012.01.19, 03:05 AM
Niiiiiiiice work!!!

machgo5go
2012.01.19, 08:12 AM
Look forward to your Sunday outing after all dried & pretty, let see some performance & duribility test on RCP tracks so we can see how does it really handle and can it take the punishment of battle scares from the barriers.

Fovea3d
2012.01.19, 08:54 AM
I will try to avoid the barriers :cool: But it will certainly take hits during the qualifs. We are 62 registred :eek:

Skv012a
2012.01.20, 03:26 AM
Very cool and promising stuff!

Fovea3d
2012.01.22, 03:35 PM
Just back from the race with the Exige, intact ;)
Not too bad for a first race of a printed body. First outing, first prize :cool:

Well I ran stock (X-speed) and finished first in my serie, the calm group D (around 50 drivers were sorted from A to F).

Most cars were LM open class cars and during the qualifiers we were all mixed before sorting.
Thats exactly what was needed to see how the body would survive to fast cars assaults, here is a short video taken during the qualifs (http://www.youtube.com/user/Fovea3d?feature=mhee).

The good: With 12 less grams than my McLaren F1, the X-Speed literally flew in the straight.
Also the car turned shorter where the LM cars oversteered, that you can see in the video. Even if I had not much grip front (20 ATM slick front with GQ's very soft foams rear).

Now I had some issues with the body. Most important, the nose flexes too much and several times my front tires flew off after hitting the barriers. I need to design inner ribs and also an inner lip to fix that. The side clips also can flex and disengage. Again some vertical ribs (just like the K bodies) are needed.

The paint may have some scars but the material itself is OK.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/exigerace01.jpg

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/exigerace04.jpg

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/exigerace05.jpg

01 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/exigerace02.jpg)

02 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120113exige/exigerace03.jpg)

Tinytacohead
2012.01.23, 05:46 AM
subscribed :)

bigboss67
2012.01.23, 11:04 AM
Hi Alain,

It's Bigboss Yapluka

I vote for:
Alpine A110
CitroŽn 2CV
Shelby Cobra (dNano version)
hot rod, which one?
57 chevy truck

This will depend on the final cost for each body.

++

Fovea3d
2012.01.23, 11:12 AM
Hi Alain,

It's Bigboss Yapluka

I vote for:
Alpine A110
CitroŽn 2CV
Shelby Cobra (dNano version)
hot rod, which one?
57 chevy truck

This will depend on the final cost for each body.

++

Hi Tony, welcome ;)

Just added your votes. The hotrod would be something like a Ford 32. The problem with hotrods and old cars with no front overhang is that there is no room for a front clip. I will try to get around that.
Alain

bigboss67
2012.01.23, 11:50 AM
Cool, thank you.
@+

Skv012a
2012.01.23, 07:19 PM
+1 to challenger, 'cuda, CRX.

I'd love to see a Sil-80/180sx, Elise with proper dimensions, Toyota MR2 gen 2.

Fovea3d
2012.02.10, 01:26 AM
Some update.
I have been working on these models all january. I am now waiting for pre production samples to arrive.

The Exige was updated: more details like doors and openings joints, roof scoop, a rear diffuser, all air intakes now open, and the front + side clips have been reinforced. Link (http://www.shapeways.com/model/427478/mini_z_exige.html)

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/EXI01.jpg

Exige 2 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/EXI02.jpg)
Exige 3 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/EXI03.jpg)

The '72 Camaro is done ;) This one was rejected at first print due to thin walls (the door windows were under 0.7mm thick for an unknown reason). Just need to upload a new file then check it in person and if OK it will be for sale. Link (http://www.shapeways.com/model/464556/mini_z_camaro.html)

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/CAM01.jpg

Camaro 2 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/CAM02.jpg)
Camaro 3 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/CAM03.jpg)
Camaro 4 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/CAM04.jpg)
Camaro 5 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/CAM05.jpg)

A new model, the Shara.
I just sent this one this evening and ordered a sample. I expect it to be first printed before the end of feb. This one has snap on blower and rear chassis frame that can be removed to save weight.
Link (http://www.shapeways.com/model/470386/shara_mini_z.html)

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA01.jpg

Shara 2 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA02.jpg)
Shara 3 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA03.jpg)
Shara 4 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA04.jpg)
Shara 5 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA05.jpg)
Shara 6 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA06.jpg)
Shara 7 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA07.jpg)
Shara 8 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA08.jpg)
Shara 9 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/SHA09.jpg)

Oh and the adjustable sideclips are done link (http://www.shapeways.com/model/430527/mini_z_adjustable_side_clips.html)
Again, just waiting for a sample before I can put that for sale

Alain

tudor_47
2012.02.10, 01:39 AM
All I can say is WOW!


Looked at the supplied links to the models and they are narrow, especially the camaro...
Any chance in making some wide f+3 r+3 models(does not have to be a camaro)?

EMU
2012.02.10, 01:56 AM
Any thoughts on doing a 94mm Lamborghini Gallardo? Race trim :) 2N/2W offset...
http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/17776/Team%20Modena%20Lamborghini%20Gallardo%20GT3-L.jpg

I want two Exige's already :)

Fovea3d
2012.02.10, 02:42 AM
All I can say is WOW!


Looked at the supplied links to the models and they are narrow, especially the camaro...
Any chance in making some wide f+3 r+3 models(does not have to be a camaro)?

Only the Camaro is narrow. This because I sized it to fit 98mm. In real, the Camaro is a long car and it ends up narrow with 98mm... I won't do what Kyosho does sometimes by squeezing the proportions like the very wide taxi ;)
The Shara in 98mm has to be the widest body ever with 3.3 inches that should need something like a LM axle plus r+ 3 or 4 ! The Exige has +4.5 rear with a standard axle.

chad508
2012.02.10, 10:03 AM
the adjustable side clips look interesting. hope the prototype pans out

imxlr8ed
2012.02.10, 10:52 AM
On the Z-28 (huh... mini Z 28th scale... still gets me how that works out), it looks like the front tires won't be able to turn. The front fender is really diving in under there and I'm hoping it clears. Do you have a range of motion model for the front and rear wheels?

This may be a solution if you just drop the front fenders straight down and make it like an old-school road racer with an incorporated airdam:

http://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/charger/srt8/1974-Camaro.jpg

This one I'm just posting because it's cool:

http://cloverleafracing.com/images/C3219Lrg.jpg

Fovea3d
2012.02.10, 04:26 PM
On the Z-28 (huh... mini Z 28th scale... still gets me how that works out), it looks like the front tires won't be able to turn. The front fender is really diving in under there and I'm hoping it clears. Do you have a range of motion model for the front and rear wheels?


Yes (http://www.nanospeeders.com/video/kaddir.wmv)

It is close (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/00galeries/camsteer.jpg) but it should clear. Because there is no offset with the Camaro or maybe -1 the wheel rotates close relative to the axle.

Once a body is valid, it is easy to edit details like airdams, wings, hoodscoops, the problem with these multiple vesions is that the shapeways shop has no categories at all. From the Z-28 (yep the name is fit) it is possible to edit the '74 Camaro with the integrated bumpers but also the Firebird/Trans Am.

imxlr8ed
2012.02.10, 04:47 PM
Ok, just checking. :D

Would be a fun narrow class car, definitely the most stylish one.

So, are we going to be ordering these from you? How's this work then?

color01
2012.02.10, 04:54 PM
Oh and the adjustable sideclips are done link (http://www.shapeways.com/model/430527/mini_z_adjustable_side_clips.html)
Again, just waiting for a sample before I can put that for sale

Alain
Absolutely yes please. I wouldn't even care if the millimeter increments are not notched -- just the fact that you can use screws to secure height adjustments is something I'd been waiting forever for. You the man. ;)

Does CA glue play nice with the Shapeways plastic? Because we'll need it to adhere the clips to Kyosho/TRP bodies...

Fovea3d
2012.02.10, 05:07 PM
Absolutely yes please. I wouldn't even care if the millimeter increments are not notched -- just the fact that you can use screws to secure height adjustments is something I'd been waiting forever for. You the man. ;)

Does CA glue play nice with the Shapeways plastic? Because we'll need it to adhere the clips to Kyosho/TRP bodies...

Due to the porosity of the SW plastic the CA glue will have the same effect on it than resin on fiberglass. It makes it even stronger. But I did not try glueing SW plastic on normal ABS yet.
The side clips are not notched and slide freely, this is why there are visual helpers.

@imclr8ed You order directly from Shapeways. They produced it under 10 days and send it to you via UPS. They opened a new product line in New York so that should keep the shipping costs low. Here is my Shop @Shapeways (http://www.shapeways.com/shops/fovea3d). Everything new will show on this page. What is marked "Not for sale" is under testing.

EMU
2012.02.10, 09:18 PM
How can we change the depth on the adjustable side clips? Wider bodies require side clips that are longer (from body to chassis) than the shorter ones. Is there anything you can do with the design so that shims may be placed between the clips and the part that is glued to the body to adjust for the difference in width of the body without having the clip lose the guide? Or will this be a spec clip for each body (or made to order)?

I ordered two Exige's. What is the best way to prep the body for paint? And what paint works best on this surface?

Fovea3d
2012.02.11, 10:57 AM
Congrat EMU! I hope you will like the Exige. V2.0 has everything that I dreamed to have on my yellow one.
To paint it the most important is to seal the plastic and isolate it from the paint.

This is what I did:

1. Wash the plastic with pure water and let it dry (will take some time to dry due to the porosity). Don't handle the bare plastic too much as it will catch the dust.

2. Dip it in a box filled with Klear or Future floor varnish.
This is real acrylic varnish (read this (http://www.scalemodelguide.com/guide/hints/using-acrylic-floor-varnish/))
As Klear is very fluid you will need to dip the body several times and let it harden in between baths. Dont let it soak too long or the previous coats will dissolve. Just a dip and out.
I did that 4 times but the more you do, the smoother the plastic will be and the less primer you will need.

3. Sand it with 800 grit or more. Don't try to sand the bare Shapeways plastic, it is really hard, it is easier to sand it after it was coated.

4. 2 or 3 coats of (white is better) primer, water based primer and paint recommended as the plastic is prone to react with solvents.

5. 2 coats or more of paint.

6. 2 coats or more of clear.

You can polish the paint between each layers with car polish compound to have a mirror finish.

Are the side clips not only longer on the LM bodies ?
They are the same on any other body I have but with a shorter tab on the AWD bodies. I made an AWD version that can also fit the 2WD bodies except the LM
I need to look at that closer, there are maybe only 2 sorts of side clips so only a LM version is needed/edited from the current one?

marc
2012.02.11, 04:06 PM
Awesome stuff Fovea! I am desperate for a 2000 Honda Insight to fit on the short AWD MA101 wheelbase. I would convert it to FWD, and make the rear wheelbase narrower to fit the Insights body.

lfisminiz
2012.02.11, 09:46 PM
Ordered the Exige. Looking forward to it!:)

marc
2012.02.11, 10:22 PM
+1 to challenger, 'cuda, CRX.

I'd love to see a Sil-80/180sx, Elise with proper dimensions, Toyota MR2 gen 2.

1988 Mugen CRX Pro.2 would be my choice. That, and the 2011-2012 Mugen CRZ.

Fovea3d
2012.02.12, 03:46 PM
Ordered the Exige. Looking forward to it!:)

Thank you lfis, cant wait to see the Exige in your team color, should be more than awsome!

Here is a video (http://www.youtube.com/user/Fovea3d?feature=mhee#p/a/u/0/MyKXA-AektQ) of my last body, the Shara to show the details. This is the widest body ever (LM axle +5). I will probably design 14mm wide wheels for it.

lfisminiz
2012.02.12, 06:58 PM
Thank you lfis, cant wait to see the Exige in your team color, should be more than awsome!

Here is a video (http://www.youtube.com/user/Fovea3d?feature=mhee#p/a/u/0/MyKXA-AektQ) of my last body, the Shara to show the details. This is the widest body ever (LM axle +5). I will probably design 14mm wide wheels for it.

For sure!:)

marc
2012.02.12, 07:13 PM
This is awesome, I will soon finally, have my 2000 Honda Insight on an AWD chassis! Cant wait...................you rock Fovea!

marc
2012.02.12, 08:41 PM
Got one more perfect car request for yea. How about that car in the movie Condorman? We already have the Porsches, but we dont have Condormans jet powered car. Id love to have one of them to add to the movie collection!

Fovea3d
2012.02.13, 07:25 PM
Update on the side clips.

I received V1.0 today. It works as expected. The tolerances are perfect. They are quite rigid and the porous material comes in handy as they wont slide easy when locked. The screw+nut really blocks it.
I think I will bundle this one + the LM version together in the same package so there are 4 clips in total, and maybe later develop an universal adjustable front clip that will come with the side clips.

The next car body in my workshop is the Plymouth Hemi Cuda.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/clips.jpg

chad508
2012.02.13, 07:34 PM
clips look great. I'm just wonder how many bodies it will work on. i looked at a few clips i have laying around and most are different as far as the mounting grooves (for a lack of a better word) did you base this off any body in particular? also when will they be up on the site for sell

Fovea3d
2012.02.13, 07:44 PM
clips look great. I'm just wonder how many bodies it will work on. i looked at a few clips i have laying around and most are different as far as the mounting grooves (for a lack of a better word) did you base this off any body in particular? also when will they be up on the site for sell

You are right, the groove spacing is different on some cars. The grooves pictured fit the Mc Laren F1 and BMW M3 but not older bodies like the 360 Modena and Porsche 933 for instance. I need to check each body I have (quite a few) and write a list of the bodies each clip version will fit. The list will be in the product description in the shop. Versions will be named A, B, C...

I can put the first version for sale by the end of the week. Tell me what body you want to put them on and I will make this version first.

color01
2012.02.13, 09:05 PM
Mosler/599/HSV/GT-R :D I *think* that all four of them can exchange side clips, but I have not measured with a caliper yet. Even if they can't, us racers would be happy to modify bodies to fit your side clips. :)

chad508
2012.02.13, 09:07 PM
I mainly run the Lexus sc430, Ferrari 360 & 430. Realy be nice to have one fit the atomic pan body if possible

Fovea3d
2012.02.13, 09:12 PM
Mosler/599/HSV/GT-R :D I *think* that all four of them can exchange side clips, but I have not measured with a caliper yet. Even if they can't, us racers would be happy to modify bodies to fit your side clips. :)

Well it is really not a problem to make different grove spacings at this point, these are just details in the design.
I have a 599. I can make these, say "A" and the currently done Mc Laren/M3, "B". After that I will edit the list with all the bodies you guys tell me they will fit on.

MiniPunch
2012.02.13, 09:53 PM
Wow! That Camaro looks awesome. Very much looking forward to seeing more of your creations!

color01
2012.02.13, 10:13 PM
Well it is really not a problem to make different grove spacings at this point, these are just details in the design.
I have a 599. I can make these, say "A" and the currently done Mc Laren/M3, "B". After that I will edit the list with all the bodies you guys tell me they will fit on.
Sounds excellent!

EMU
2012.02.14, 02:12 AM
Mosler, 360GTC would be the most common race bodies...

I would like a generic smooth sided (without ridges) version could be adjusted front/rear before being glued in by the user. With optional grooved shims that can space the clip to the body and still retain rigidity that you lose with the long clips found on the wide bodies. A longer screw would be required, and there would be more mass on the body, but I would rather have a universal kit that works on all bodies, so I dont have to have spares for every body that I use it on. I would also like the option to add shims to have the clips squeeze the chassis tight so the body does not rattle loose on the chassis without using tape to hold it down tight.

twinkie
2012.02.14, 02:56 AM
is it possible to do a Dodge Viper Competition Coupe

http://www.autoracing1.com/Manocchia/2009/PetitLeMans/Saturday/PLM09D_0156.jpg

marc
2012.02.14, 11:27 AM
My beloved 2000 Honda Insight in the works!

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/fb4dcdec.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/marq74/42c7c736.jpg

A custome rear section for the AWD chassis is also in the works. I will then finally have a nice little model of my exotic car, as well as be able to race it!

Thank you Fovea, cant wait to see the actual product!

Fovea3d
2012.02.14, 08:35 PM
Mosler, 360GTC would be the most common race bodies...

I would like a generic smooth sided (without ridges) version could be adjusted front/rear before being glued in by the user. With optional grooved shims that can space the clip to the body and still retain rigidity that you lose with the long clips found on the wide bodies. A longer screw would be required, and there would be more mass on the body, but I would rather have a universal kit that works on all bodies, so I dont have to have spares for every body that I use it on. I would also like the option to add shims to have the clips squeeze the chassis tight so the body does not rattle loose on the chassis without using tape to hold it down tight.

That can be made at some point but remember that the spacing of the 2 ribs/grooves still vary with some bodies so a universal version is impossible, or maybe one without these grooves but then it wont glue well.

Fovea3d
2012.02.15, 09:12 AM
The Barracuda for 98mm is almost ready
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cuda0.jpg
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cuda2.jpg
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cuda1.jpg

Slubben
2012.02.15, 09:29 AM
How do we order? I'm very interested in the Cuda & Camaro.

arch2b
2012.02.15, 09:43 AM
What are the offsets for the cuda? It's a great looking body. Looks very top heavy and maybe narrow as the rear wheels don't tuck in.

EMU
2012.02.15, 09:45 AM
I wouldnt mind cutting my own grooves for glueing to the body ribs... If you make a few, I can test them to let you know how they hold up.

Fovea3d
2012.02.15, 10:34 AM
@Slubben in less than a month in my shop, I need to check the prototype first

@Arch the chassis on the pic is narrow with 0F/+1R just like the Camaro. I just finished modeling the body and set it for 98mm, these are the first screen shots. I did not check the wheels clearance yet. Remember every adaptation of muscle car model kit at 1/24 scale needs an extended H plate. With 98mm they become narrow.
The whole car is 49mm high but that won't have too much effect on balance because the plastic is very light, something between ABS and lexan, around 15gr less than a autoscale of same size. Also it does not have windows. It may be interesting to print these muscle car bodies for 102mm to have more offset.

@EMU First release will be a kit with several base parts.

imxlr8ed
2012.02.15, 10:46 AM
You could widen up the models with a little 3D editing, I don't care about 100% authenticity as much as I care about 100% perfect fit. :cool:

I'm looking out for a full tire coverage, no-rub, durable, ultra-low CG 98mm racer body that has the rail deflection properties of a 575GTC or a Murcielago.

The Mosler is extremely popular, I'm just looking for it's nemesis. ;)

Design that and I think you'll sell many. :D

marc
2012.02.15, 02:30 PM
The Barracuda for 98mm is almost ready
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cuda0.jpg
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cuda2.jpg
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cuda1.jpg

With that, we can have Nash Bridges ride! :)

arch2b
2012.02.15, 03:06 PM
understood alain. looks great and i'm sure your making many north american members very happy with the american muscle cars.

i'm willing to try the 98mm any day of the week and also interested to see how 102 would change things.

like imx, i think most are function over form and don't mind subtle tweaks to proportion to fit a given wheelbase/track width.

anyone know someone able to vacuum form lexan windows for models without windows?

Fovea3d
2012.02.15, 03:26 PM
OK I tried this: width is now 108% from normal.

The wheel offset pictured is from a Mc Laren F1 (MR03 wide, track measured from outside of wheel 71mm front and rear).
What do you think?

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cudawidea.jpg
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cudawideb.jpg
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cudawidec.jpg
http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/cudawided.jpg

arch2b
2012.02.15, 03:42 PM
looks fine to me :)

the upside is, you can probably offer as many of these Irritations of these are you have time to make as they are user choice from shapeways.

"hello. would you like your cuda in lovely demur, athletic or voluptuous form?":p

Fovea3d
2012.02.15, 03:59 PM
looks fine to me :)

the upside is, you can probably offer as many of these Irritations of these are you have time to make as they are user choice from shapeways.

"hello. would you like your cuda in lovely demur, athletic or voluptuous form?":p

Exactly! There are no moulds, only file iterations :)
The problem I forsee will be to sort all of these in the very basic structure of the Shapeway shop.

I will order the cuda in wide. It should be a direct swap with my Mc Laren F1.

BTW it is a bit better with 102mm (104% of the first design with true proportions). It will mount on a 03W/MR02 chassis but only with -1F/-1R.

arch2b
2012.02.15, 04:17 PM
yeah, i'd rather have the widened body than run 102 with that track width. i'm not a scale purist :p i'm not going to whine if it's tweaked a little to work better. i'd be very appreciative for the effort :cool:

chad508
2012.02.15, 04:57 PM
this is my own opinion and pls take it as such. i would look at making something like a prototype body. the ones you have done look great but i wonder if they would even be ran competivly. the exide looked to be a good race body but the hot rods i see being more of a novilty. i have never had my hands involved in this kind of design but why not try something like a "race version" interpatation of a hot rod.
like i said i believe what you are doing is great and pls just take my ideas as just that.

Fovea3d
2012.02.15, 05:58 PM
this is my own opinion and pls take it as such. i would look at making something like a prototype body. the ones you have done look great but i wonder if they would even be ran competivly. the exide looked to be a good race body but the hot rods i see being more of a novilty. i have never had my hands involved in this kind of design but why not try something like a "race version" interpatation of a hot rod.
like i said i believe what you are doing is great and pls just take my ideas as just that.

Thank you Chad.
Yes I have a true race body in mind, something designed as such that would not necessary be realistic but effective. I know what the pros and the cons on each popular racing bodies are. I will do a synthesis of these. But I need to acquire some experience with the material first, with it being more flexible I need to add stiffness reinforcements in the front particulary when the bodies are round. Also I managed to put the thickness below 0.75mm vs 1.0/1.5 mm for the K bodies, this lowers the weight even more. These are my observations with the current designs.

What makes this interesting is that the design can always evolve simply by overwriting the online file. For instance I will make an angle more round if it catches on barriers or correct the structure if someone reports a weak point on the body, etc. Collective design... Great idea with the race oriented hotrod!

arch2b
2012.02.15, 08:44 PM
With this delivery method, novelty is not an issue. Think print on demand. There is no cost concern with min production runs and worries of selling through a run. You get to make what floats your boat and whomever fancies it as well, gets a rare opportunity to get a body they would never otherwise get.

I suggest tons of novelty vs yet another generic racer like the mosler, shush functions great but is not a stunning looker. Last thing I want mini z to turn into is a track of wedges.

There are thousands of Awsome prototype cars that could be done, just check any automotive blog.

imxlr8ed
2012.02.15, 10:28 PM
I'm down for a 108width Camaro... as soon as they are in your shop. Unless you are planning to release a Chevelle anytime soon. :D

2EZ
2012.02.16, 11:59 AM
How about a modified racer like found at local short tracks all over the US

arch2b
2012.02.16, 02:08 PM
oh, forgot to ask about buggy bodies... how about a sct for the buggy? or my personal choice, the jgsdf :p

marc
2012.02.16, 02:49 PM
oh, forgot to ask about buggy bodies... how about a sct for the buggy? or my personal choice, the jgsdf :p

Or how about the old Tamiya Hornet?

Fovea3d
2012.02.20, 09:48 AM
I received the Camaro today.
This one is perfect and needs no editing. Notice that the online version is the widdened version that can accomodate a wide chassis with 0F/0R.
The Camaro is the lightest of the bodies so far with 14.7 grams! This is half the weight of an autoscale body. I managed to reduce the walls thickness under 0.75mm. It is still strong particulary in the front due to the multiple angles in the shape but the roof has some elasticity when pressed and will return to its shape just like lexan.
The prototype on these pictures was first designed for MR015/03N but after the discussion here I decided to make it slightly wider just like the Barracuda.
The Camaro has the overall dimensions of the Toyota Celica but in 98mm.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/cam01.jpg

2 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/cam02.jpg)
3 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/cam03.jpg)
4 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/cam04.jpg)
5 (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/cam05.jpg)
Fitting (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/cam07.jpg)
Weight (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/cam08.jpg)

arch2b
2012.02.20, 10:25 AM
looks sweet! dare i say you've brought us the news of the year with printing of bodies:cool: sure a new fancy part is cool but printing bodies on demand, from a catalog that is as wide as your imagination is simply a game changer. i put printing bodies up there with the jump to 2.4. congrats! can't wait to see the catalog grow!

Fovea3d
2012.02.20, 10:40 AM
looks sweet! dare i say you've brought us the news of the year with printing of bodies:cool: sure a new fancy part is cool but printing bodies on demand, from a catalog that is as wide as your imagination is simply a game changer. i put printing bodies up there with the jump to 2.4. congrats! can't wait to see the catalog grow!

Thanks Arch! Technology makes it possible... This is stunning but logic evolution. I cant stop watching this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQoTro9WfbQ&list=UUjq8uE1Ca4q0JDIfZB6VHSA&index=30&feature=plcp).
This is only the beginning.

arch2b
2012.02.20, 10:50 AM
if you have a backlog, can you add the cts-v coupe racer to it ;)

http://intunedonline.com/wp-content/themes/videozoom/scripts/timthumb.php?src=http://intunedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/users/3/iracing.cadillac.cts-v.race.814.jpg&h=500&w=795&zc=1

hoping that can hit 98mm nicely.

as soon as you have just the right one, i will be scheduling a spec race with one of these:p

i watched some video's on metal printing and that looks awsome as well!

mleemor60
2012.02.20, 11:06 AM
Not only YES but Meg Ryan doing the deli scene in "When Harry met Sally" yes.

arch2b
2012.02.20, 11:11 AM
:p that was priceless
http://youtu.be/fBQRKJTOZyA

Fovea3d
2012.02.20, 11:22 AM
Understood.

I have a bone stock 3D cts-v coupe that I can turn into a racer. It will fit 98mm 03W anyway as the wheel arches have to be recreated.

So far the cts has 2 votes. Keep them coming or I will do the less orgasmic 2CV that has 3 votes next :p

arch2b
2012.02.20, 11:56 AM
the vw concept golf w12 would make a nice addition to short wheelbase racers :cool:

http://www.wallpapergate.com/phpthumb/cache/2121/vw_golf_w12_gti_650.jpg

mleemor60
2012.02.20, 12:14 PM
What would be truly fantastic for us old guys would be a 69 Camaro a 69 Mustang and a 70 Challenger/Cuda so we could re create the old Trans/Am series. Stlye them all to use a 98mm wheel base with +1 or 2 fronts and +2or 3 rear wheels. That way they would all be about equal and it would be a personal preference as to choice.

Same with the original Can/Am bodies. Some of the later McLaren variants as well as the Porsche 917/30K.

For the stubby's go after the BTTC bodies. The Australian super cars would also be terrific.

Anything but rice burners and pasta rockets.

Fovea3d
2012.02.20, 12:29 PM
I just added your votes to the list in the first page.
The 917 and Challenger have now 3 votes and have priority.
Yes they will all be set for 98mm and 102 for the LM type cars, all wide. But the classic muscle cars must have 0 front in any case are they are narrow cars in real.

marc
2012.02.20, 12:51 PM
Nice Camero, how about the Trans Am in Smokey And The Bandet?
That would be a great addition for those of us who collect movie cars!

mleemor60
2012.02.20, 01:42 PM
I just added your votes to the list in the first page.
The 917 and Challenger have now 3 votes and have priority.
Yes they will all be set for 98mm and 102 for the LM type cars, all wide. But the classic muscle cars must have 0 front in any case are they are narrow cars in real.

I will try to find you some photo's of the cars. They were actually quite narrow but the sanctioning body at the time (SCCA) allowed for fender flares to keep the tires covered. A lot of the teams would add strips of metal along the top of the fenders and quarter panels to give the car a coke bottle shape without the appearance of flared fenders. It made it hareder to knock a fender into the tire which would then require a pit stop in a sprint race.

Anything that you can get done though will be greatly appreciated. And purchased.

marc
2012.02.20, 02:03 PM
What would be truly fantastic for us old guys would be a 69 Camaro a 69 Mustang and a 70 Challenger/Cuda so we could re create the old Trans/Am series. Stlye them all to use a 98mm wheel base with +1 or 2 fronts and +2or 3 rear wheels. That way they would all be about equal and it would be a personal preference as to choice.

Same with the original Can/Am bodies. Some of the later McLaren variants as well as the Porsche 917/30K.

For the stubby's go after the BTTC bodies. The Australian super cars would also be terrific.

Anything but rice burners and pasta rockets.

Whats wrong with rice burners and pasta rockets?

arch2b
2012.02.20, 02:25 PM
yeah, not really the nicest thing to say (pc wise). EU and asian guys i'm sure have some negative connotative slang for american muscle that goes fast so long as you don't turn.

imxlr8ed
2012.02.20, 02:37 PM
yeah, not really the nicest thing to say (pc wise). EU and asian guys i'm sure have some negative connotative slang for american muscle that goes fast so long as you don't turn.

I bet this thing turns with the slightest breeze!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071004162320/uncyclopedia/images/b/b1/Asian_rice_rocket.jpg

"Two things I hate most in life,
People who are intolerant of other people's culture... and the Dutch!"

Austin Powers Father (or Fajhaa if you're dutch) ;)

Anyways... Like the Camaro, like the fender flaring idea as well.

marc
2012.02.20, 02:48 PM
I bet this thing turns with the slightest breeze!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071004162320/uncyclopedia/images/b/b1/Asian_rice_rocket.jpg

"Two things I hate most in life,
People who are intolerant of other people's culture... and the Dutch!"

Austin Powers Father (or Fajhaa if you're dutch) ;)

Anyways... Like the Camaro, like the fender flaring idea as well.

Uh, oh. Somebody has some daddy issues! :p

Anyway, I happen to like rice and pasta just fine thank you.
But back on topic, having this body on demand service is pretty sweet and no matter what style of ride we like, we all love what Fovea is doing for us!

arch2b
2012.02.20, 02:57 PM
yeah, thats a whole subculture over there with the exaggerated modifications. thought it was a pokemon on wheels for a second. not so different from the silly stuff we do over here though with insanely large wheels, completely over the top electronics and or roller coaster vomit educing hydrolic action. point is, each culture has there own thing.

where were we? in general, i would like to see more american models offered. i understand where kyosho goes with the autoscale line as well, were nothing more than an afterthought for them so this is a rare opportunity we have to address our regional market.

there are litterally thousands of design concepts that could be done as well. i always found this one interesting.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IeWgpOfQ6is/TvtdfeykXpI/AAAAAAAGOcE/xbxiMbGo1w0/s800/Mangusta-Legacy-Study-01.jpg

i really like where Cadillac has been going as well.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--E7Q6D7X070/Tuv5b9aAWEI/AAAAAAAGIUY/7sxz5dJVgXA/s800/GM-Perfect-Car-Carscoop101.jpg

imxlr8ed
2012.02.20, 02:57 PM
Just seeing if Ray will mod the picture of the weathervane I posted. :p

He's definitely onto something here and so is the company that is producing this gear. I feel that when it comes down to it, this is how people are going to be ordering lots of things in the near future as the printing technology progresses.

marc
2012.02.20, 03:00 PM
Star Trek TNG replicators coming soon! LOL!

arch2b
2012.02.20, 03:13 PM
lets not forget this is an overland owners wet dream as well:p you could get some real awsome offroad monsters vs. the street luxury. ford raptor anyone?
http://www.automotorblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2010-Ford-F150-Raptor-1.jpg

arch2b
2012.02.20, 03:21 PM
trans-am series, vintage class are some awsome cars, i second mike's request for those.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/0c7f2e5a-202d-4762-a359-f3254cfaed48/670x377Image.jpg?p=090608_03:16

Fovea3d
2012.02.20, 03:34 PM
I love these cars since I am a teenager and I am 48...
For sure the Challenger and the Javelin will be done at some point. The question is, when ? I'm hiring :p

mleemor60
2012.02.20, 04:17 PM
I am very fond of both rice and pasta. Kyosho does a terrific job of keeping us well sated with both. However. Nothing like good old meat and potatoes. Sledge hammer cars and sledge hammer tough drivers.

Both the Trans/Am and Can/Am were the MMA of racing at the time. no velvet gloves or quiche available.

I come from an era where the cars and teams had National colors. In those days the white cars with blue stripes weren't so good. If you want derogatory get me to talk about the blue cars. Another time maybe.

marc
2012.02.20, 04:29 PM
I am very fond of both rice and pasta. Kyosho does a terrific job of keeping us well sated with both. However. Nothing like good old meat and potatoes. Sledge hammer cars and sledge hammer tough drivers.

Both the Trans/Am and Can/Am were the MMA of racing at the time. no velvet gloves or quiche available.

I come from an era where the cars and teams had National colors. In those days the white cars with blue stripes weren't so good. If you want derogatory get me to talk about the blue cars. Another time maybe.

That is one good thing about the Xmods. At least they offered Muscle Cars! :)

arch2b
2012.02.20, 04:33 PM
ah mike, when i ever get down there we have to go out for some stories:p

mleemor60
2012.02.20, 04:42 PM
With enough advanced notice I can pack some photos. Some you might appreciate are the ones I took during the 1979 F-1 race at Watkins Glen. I was stradling the guard rail at what is now NASCAR pit out in front of the old Kendall tower during the rain. If you can email me a tutorial step by step to get them from the album to the forum I would love to get some of them out there.

lfisminiz
2012.02.20, 07:49 PM
How about a good race version of the BMW M3. The Kyosho/Route 246 version sucks. You can barely fit 0 all around. Should be able to fit atleast + 1 off-sets all around.
Also the C6 Corvette.....American Lemans/Lemans version. We have the C5 Kyosho version long enough. ( it is done well).:)

arch2b
2012.02.20, 08:10 PM
i's digg'in the new benz gt3 car as well.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201012/mercedes-sls-amg-gt3_460x0w.jpg

lfisminiz
2012.02.20, 09:50 PM
i's digg'in the new benz gt3 car as well.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201012/mercedes-sls-amg-gt3_460x0w.jpg

Arch....i agree.:)

marc
2012.02.20, 11:38 PM
i's digg'in the new benz gt3 car as well.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201012/mercedes-sls-amg-gt3_460x0w.jpg

Me three! :p

imxlr8ed
2012.02.20, 11:41 PM
i's digg'in the new benz gt3 car as well.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201012/mercedes-sls-amg-gt3_460x0w.jpg

Oh now that is sweet! CG looks like it would be right around the 599s neighborhood too.

arch2b
2012.02.21, 03:30 PM
quick questions:
1. how do decals/stickers adhear to the material?
2. do paint markers work on this material?
3. will permanent markers like sharpie work on this material?

Fovea3d
2012.02.21, 04:22 PM
quick questions:
1. how do decals/stickers adhear to the material?
2. do paint markers work on this material?
3. will permanent markers like sharpie work on this material?

1. I tried stickers, dont stick at all due to porous surface
2. Perfectly, in green here (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/marker.jpg) (Posca paint marker)
3. Good, in red same picture. I tried with a Pentel. I suspect the sharpie tip will dry and die fast.

Everything liquid will infiltrate very good in this honeycomb type structure. Water based color for instance. I have heard that dye dip works pretty good too. This all will give a matte surface.
Getting a gloss finish with typical modeling paints requires lots of work because the cells in the material need to be sealed first.

I am painting the Camaro now, will post pictures soon.

Fovea3d
2012.02.21, 04:31 PM
;)

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/camred.jpg

marc
2012.02.21, 07:22 PM
;)

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120220camaro/camred.jpg

Looks good, cant wait to see it finished!

chad508
2012.02.21, 08:27 PM
have you looked into make any universal wings, kinda like what reflex made but different shapes and sizes?

marc
2012.02.21, 08:36 PM
Add on aero kits would be cool.

xmodcanuck
2012.02.22, 01:50 AM
So how exactly do you 'make' the bodies?? I get the 3D printing process, what I mean is how do you draw the cars on the computer. I know exactly what I want, just don't know how to do it. I want a mini-z version of my car, Ford Focus SVT ZX5. How do I do this??

Fovea3d
2012.02.22, 07:07 AM
So how exactly do you 'make' the bodies?? I get the 3D printing process, what I mean is how do you draw the cars on the computer. I know exactly what I want, just don't know how to do it. I want a mini-z version of my car, Ford Focus SVT ZX5. How do I do this??

It may sound simple but it is not. The best I can describe it is you shape objects like clay only it is virtualy done with the computer and is not messy to the fingers ;) So it is not exactly "drawing", but "sculpting". You can find more info here "3d modeling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_modeling)"
There is a learning process that can take years, starting with making cubes and spheres. I am a professional modeler since 1998 and I have built tons of vehicles, buildings, logos, but these models always ended up as images or movies. Now I can add 3d print as a new and incredible output media.

Fovea3d
2012.02.22, 08:25 AM
have you looked into make any universal wings, kinda like what reflex made but different shapes and sizes?

I am planning doing that at some point with adjustable height and tilt.

marc
2012.02.22, 11:04 AM
Hey Fovea, how did you get the name for this thread? Zcuderia?

Fovea3d
2012.02.22, 11:15 AM
Hey Fovea, how did you get the name for this thread? Zcuderia?

Mini-Z scuderia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuderia)... ;)

EDIT: the camaro is finished. Well almost as some details like side markers and several coats of clear are missing. I won't post multiple pictures but I updated the one at the shop (http://www.shapeways.com/model/464556/mini_z_camaro.html).

99jdmgsr
2012.02.22, 05:01 PM
So what bodies do u have next to do? Also if we buy a body from you it comes with side and front clips right?

Fovea3d
2012.02.22, 05:13 PM
If I refer to the poll these cars have the most votes:

*** Porsche 917 K
***Dodge Challenger 70
***CitroŽn 2CV

I will do the 917 first, as this one is the most promising for racing.
It should be a 98mm. 102mm would be perfect but the 917 has a short wheelbase in real life.

The front clip is printed together with the body and you have to detach it. The side clips are integrated with the body.

marc
2012.02.22, 06:10 PM
I have a good buddy that would love to have the 70 Dodge Charger as he owns a real one.

marc
2012.02.22, 06:13 PM
Didnt Kyosho do the 917 for the Dnano?

Bodom
2012.02.22, 06:14 PM
I would like to vote for the Alfa Romeo 155Ti DTM
and also suggest Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_8C_Competizione)

cdog4w
2012.02.22, 06:29 PM
Awesome work Fovea3d!

Any legal concerns? As someone who just had google yank an app off the android market in an unexpected DMCA claim, it might be something worth looking into.

That said, I have a buddy that will no doubt be interested in any mustang you can make (I'll be linking him to this thread!) :)

Fovea3d
2012.02.22, 06:31 PM
Added your votes and suggestions.

Marc they made it for the dNano but not for the Mini-z. All they did is the Porsche 908 in narrow, 86mm RM and with 0F/0R classic 17mm wheels...
The 917 I have in mind will be comparable to the VDS, Mosler, etc. A real competitor.

cdog4w
2012.02.22, 06:36 PM
+1 for new benz gt3 car, I love a good Mercedes :)

Speaking of wings, I wouldn't mind a wing for the optima buggy. I got the mounts, but didn't want to buy the lazer body kit just for the wing :(

Fovea3d
2012.02.22, 06:52 PM
Awesome work Fovea3d!

Any legal concerns? As someone who just had google yank an app off the android market in an unexpected DMCA claim, it might be something worth looking into.

That said, I have a buddy that will no doubt be interested in any mustang you can make (I'll be linking him to this thread!) :)

It may happen and if so I will just remove the offending item from the list.
I have the right to sell 200 models of each as "one offs", this is why I multiply the models. When one will reach 200 sold I will have to remove it.

That said, I will also design my own concept cars like the Shara, so no prob there ;) And I will never do a Ferrari :D

The first Mustang I will do is the Boss 302 from 1970.

marc
2012.02.22, 07:23 PM
I no longer consider the KS Competition a Ferrari! :D

PNracing
2012.02.22, 07:53 PM
add BMW M3 DTM

http://www.cardotcom.com/photos/cars01/2012-bmw-m3-dtm-race-car/2012-bmw-m3-dtm-01.jpg

herman
2012.02.22, 09:10 PM
wow... i like how things are coming along...

was wondering if you intend to try out printing a short wheelbase (86mm) HM body???

perhaps something like this? (don't know if it would qualify as a short wheelbase)
http://www.fallingpixel.com/products/2475/mains/Mercedes_A_Class_2005_1.jpg

or doing a proper scale peugot 206 wrc???

lfisminiz
2012.02.22, 10:14 PM
add BMW M3 DTM

http://www.cardotcom.com/photos/cars01/2012-bmw-m3-dtm-race-car/2012-bmw-m3-dtm-01.jpg

Add a another vote for this. WE need a BMW done right and low.;):)

marc
2012.02.22, 10:21 PM
For BMW, I want a KS 850, and the old classic racing M1.

http://www.google.com/search?q=BMW+M1&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=k7FFT9fZAcfgggfeltGiBA&biw=1024&bih=622&sei=mLFFT4zrC4GFgweAtdGPBA

mleemor60
2012.02.23, 06:59 AM
I would go for the "Bimmer" as well.

mleemor60
2012.02.25, 11:42 AM
What would be really special would be the new version Daytona Prototype bodies beginning with the Corvette.

EMU
2012.02.25, 12:40 PM
I just received the Exige. I am impressed. Going to be a little while before it is finished prep... I may test drive it tonight without prep, just to see how it feels... The body is super light, and flexible. I have to figure out where the transponder will mount, and whether I will cut out the front window and put some lexan for the transponder to see through...

hrdrvr
2012.02.25, 02:19 PM
I agreed with Mike. The new Daytona prototypes would be awesome! Put us down as two votes! I would buy one today if I could :D I bet I could get a couple of our racers into them too. I will see if I can get any of them to chime in and commit :D

Fovea3d
2012.02.25, 02:31 PM
I just received the Exige. I am impressed. Going to be a little while before it is finished prep... I may test drive it tonight without prep, just to see how it feels... The body is super light, and flexible. I have to figure out where the transponder will mount, and whether I will cut out the front window and put some lexan for the transponder to see through...

Nice! Please report any imperfection you may notice with this body, look particulary if the nose is rigid enough and if the mounting clips are holding well. This body weights 20 grams. You should notice it while racing ;)

J-Milz
2012.02.25, 02:37 PM
I'd like to throw in a 71 Chevelle:D, 87' Buick grand national and 83 smoky and the bandit trans Am in that suggestion box of yours! American iron series.

chad508
2012.02.25, 02:40 PM
Put me down for a Daytona pro type as well

I-Lap
2012.02.25, 05:48 PM
I just received the Exige. I am impressed. Going to be a little while before it is finished prep... I may test drive it tonight without prep, just to see how it feels... The body is super light, and flexible. I have to figure out where the transponder will mount, and whether I will cut out the front window and put some lexan for the transponder to see through...

A good window material can be made by exposing 200 speed color film in sunlight for 20 seconds, then have it developed but not printed. The negatives are black, but will pass the infrared signals right through.
We used to do this years ago when playing with X-Mods. Just dremel out a section in the center of the window, then cut a piece of film to shape and glue in place. We also had a few cars with "sunroofs"

marc
2012.02.25, 06:25 PM
I want Christine!

lfisminiz
2012.02.25, 11:48 PM
What would be really special would be the new version Daytona Prototype bodies beginning with the Corvette.

Good idea. One of my favorite series.

lfisminiz
2012.02.25, 11:51 PM
I just received the Exige. I am impressed. Going to be a little while before it is finished prep... I may test drive it tonight without prep, just to see how it feels... The body is super light, and flexible. I have to figure out where the transponder will mount, and whether I will cut out the front window and put some lexan for the transponder to see through...

Same here. It will take awhile to prep it up. Need the time and dont want to rush it.

EMU
2012.02.28, 12:28 PM
I took it for a spin on a 50t chassis for a qualifying run. Did a 15.4s lap as the fastest lap. The next qualifier I used the Mosler body (which has a lot of work done to it to shave weight) and did a 15.4s lap as well. The Mosler was a a little more stable, being a bit heavier.

The body is very light, but getting power down wasnt really a problem. It almost feels like I am driving a 98mm 360GTC. Since the body was not prepped, any wall contact stopped the car abruptly.

The front body clip never came out, side would pop off if it wasnt taped since the body is very flexible. Tape doesnt stick to the material well, so I had to wrap enough tape that the tape would stick to itself.

Overall, the fit is very good. I dont see any flaws in the design at all. Many people were asking a lot of questions about it at the track. :D

I would LOVE to have a Daytona prototype as well ;)

One issue is that the body is out of scale. It would be much closer to scale at 86mm, but at 98mm it is basically 1/24.

hrdrvr
2012.02.28, 01:00 PM
Sounds good EMU. I have been worried about the side clips holding on, as flexible as the bodies are.

Your last comment about scale....Is that in reference to the DP bodies? The information I found online shows them with a 109.8" wheel base, which works out to about 100mm at 28th scale.

Fovea3d
2012.02.28, 02:27 PM
Thank you for your feedback EMU. Glad it did so well.

About the side clips this is really something I need to solve. The area around the clips is flexible because the shell is very thin (0.75mm). Making them thicker will cancel the advantage of weight, but it will also put the price higher since at Shapeways the amount of printed material will determine the price of the body.
To solve this I will probably design a kind of rigid hoop inside the body that connects the side clips together.

I can imagine the RCP barriers would slow the raw shell with ease. Unfortunately the strongest plastic available at Shapeways is also the roughest. They have something smoother called "White Detail (http://www.shapeways.com/materials/white_detail)" but it is extremely fragile and waxy, and the cubic centimeter costs the double of White Strong and Flexible.

What is really sad is they had for a moment a material that seemed perfect for our MZ bodies, called "White Glaze (http://www.shapeways.com/newsletter/white_glaze)"
This one is a smooth ABS, cheap, flexible and strong. Unfortunately they offered it for a limited time and no one can tell if they will offer it again.

About scale, yes at 1/28 the Exige would be very small and probably not good for racing. I choose to scale the bodies mainly for 98mm regardless of scale (up to a certain point). I will probably do some for 102mm or 94 mm but not shorter.

EMU
2012.02.28, 08:29 PM
Landon, I was only speaking about the Exige... But I would really like a 98mm DP car. I really like both the new Riley and Corvette... I think they would make great 'pan' cars...

Skv012a
2012.03.04, 08:54 PM
Hmm, any consideration in adding an integrated brace (thicker wall in the area) along the inside of the body between the side clips to add the missing rigidity?

Also, blogged this to possibly help gather fans and customers.

http://skvltd.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/kyosho-mini-z-foreva3ds-zcuderia-bodies/

Fovea3d
2012.03.05, 12:15 PM
Hmm, any consideration in adding an integrated brace (thicker wall in the area) along the inside of the body between the side clips to add the missing rigidity?

Also, blogged this to possibly help gather fans and customers.

http://skvltd.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/kyosho-mini-z-foreva3ds-zcuderia-bodies/

Yes this is what I have in mind, a ridge that will connect both side clips through the side walls and across the roof, maybe even connecting to the front mount in a T pattern. Problem adding material will also increase the cost and weight.
I will integrate this on my next project and if OK the same will be applied to the older bodies.

Thank you very much for blogging these :cool:

Skv012a
2012.03.06, 06:54 PM
Anytime man, this helps me as much as it does you.

So what are the next bodies on the menu?

marc
2012.03.06, 07:22 PM
Anytime man, this helps me as much as it does you.

So what are the next bodies on the menu?

I know that my car is in the works! But, I dont know if it'll be on the menu, or if its just the chefs special for the day. LOL!

Fovea3d
2012.03.06, 07:28 PM
After Marc's special menu next will probably be this (https://www.google.fr/search?q=corvette+daytona&hl=fr&rlz=1G1GGLQ_FRFR295&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=SKxWT5KyFJKq8QPV7uGACQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1050&bih=623&sei=TKxWT7m9HZLA8QOCxZXACA)

But it will be difficult as I can't find any template (side/front/back/top drawings).

mleemor60
2012.03.06, 07:36 PM
If you need start up funding for the Vette DP just send me a PM

marc
2012.03.06, 07:51 PM
After Marc's special menu next will probably be this (https://www.google.fr/search?q=corvette+daytona&hl=fr&rlz=1G1GGLQ_FRFR295&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=SKxWT5KyFJKq8QPV7uGACQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1050&bih=623&sei=TKxWT7m9HZLA8QOCxZXACA)

But it will be difficult as I can't find any template (side/front/back/top drawings).

Might want to see if there is a plastic model of that car. Every plastic model kit that I have known, have had three to four-views of the car. I just dont know if that particular car has ben released as a model kit or not.

hrdrvr
2012.03.06, 08:25 PM
After Marc's special menu next will probably be this (https://www.google.fr/search?q=corvette+daytona&hl=fr&rlz=1G1GGLQ_FRFR295&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=SKxWT5KyFJKq8QPV7uGACQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1050&bih=623&sei=TKxWT7m9HZLA8QOCxZXACA)

But it will be difficult as I can't find any template (side/front/back/top drawings).

I was really excitied for all of these bodies, but this DP body has me drooling already. I'm pretty sure if you ad lib the design a little, no one will really care :D If you are fudging things, try and make it tri-shock compatible :D

herman
2012.03.06, 10:02 PM
fovea3d... love your creations...
was wondering though if there is any love (well at least enough love that is...) for producing any S (86mm) wheelbased cars?

the cars that come to mind
the original austin mini cooper (86HM)
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32701&stc=1&d=1331088891

or probably a slightly modified one with wider fenders
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32702&stc=1&d=1331089207

and another classic... grandfather of the honda s2000... the s800... from the looks of it, maybe a 86HM as well?
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32703&stc=1&d=1331089171
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32704&stc=1&d=1331089513
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32705&stc=1&d=1331089322

herman
2012.03.06, 10:06 PM
and probably for a more modern look...

mercedes a class? :D
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32706&stc=1&d=1331089808
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32707&stc=1&d=1331089828

lfisminiz
2012.03.06, 10:09 PM
I was really excitied for all of these bodies, but this DP body has me drooling already. I'm pretty sure if you ad lib the design a little, no one will really care :D If you are fudging things, try and make it tri-shock compatible :D

Im with Landon on this one for sure!!:)

ALSO...the Lotis is heading for my paint guy tomorrow. Hopefull in a week or so, ill have pics.

marc
2012.03.08, 05:08 PM
I've got a long list of wants and thanks to this wonderful new technology, anything is possible! I so can't wait to see the Insight he's doing for me! It's ben a long, long time wanting an Insight body!

racerquinn#1
2012.03.10, 01:15 PM
i vote third gen 82-92 camaro and trans am....since i have two of them!!!:D

marc
2012.03.18, 09:15 PM
With recent advances in rapid prototyping, and especially with Shapeways (http://www.shapeways.com/) and opening a personnal shop there, it is now very easy to print plastic body and miscellaneous parts for Mini-z and Dnano.

Available materials have also evolved. The waxy and friable type of material has become some ultra-resistant, unbreakable (EDIT: unless you step on it :-į ) and ultra-light plastic. Way over what is required for a racing body IMO. The weight for a dNano body is just under 10gr while a Mz body is under 25.

There are two downsides. First and worst is the surface finish, which is porous and grainy due to the layering process, so a quite amount of work may be required to obtain a glossy paint finish. This should improve with time hopefully.

The second downside is the cost which is directly related with the amount of printing plastic required for a specific body, that will put the price of a MZ body close to that of a MZ autoscale, and a dNano around whay is paid for a dNano white body (here we take advantage of the lower material needs)
Therefore it will always be more economical to produce small bodies like the dNano or optional parts, for instance wheels will be quite cheap.

Having some experience with 3D modeling and passion for the cars both in MZ scale and full size, it is natural that I start this occupation of creation of bodies. My shop at Shapeways is now open:

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/fovea3d

I hope to develop a large collection of cars that will be available for both the Mini-z and Dnano. The cars by themselves will have no exact scale, they will be scaled to fit the pre-existing wheelbases and wheel offsets. No body will be "cartoon deformed" to fit a specific chassis, the proportions will always be as close too reality as possible. If required for some specific cars (classics), I will produce true to scale wheels for these (the tirewalls will be a part of the printed wheel itself, and the MZ tire will only be the tread. See here (http://www.shapeways.com/model/421304/dnano_countach_realist_rims.html?gid=ug) and here (http://www.shapeways.com/model/421915/dnano_porsche_917_rims_and_accessories.html?gid=ug )
I will also develop a selection of true to scale wheels for existing Mini-z and dNano autoscales.

Also later I would like to develop a line of custom bodies for the Motoracer, the Buggy, F1, etc. For the Motoracer, I see classic bikes of the 70's with corresponding biker figures... hint (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/jbt.jpg)

As something like a chassis tub is a perfect candidate for 3d printing, and because printing black plastic is possible, I also have these kinds of projects in mind, using Mini-z electronics and running gear:

-Front-wheel drive chassis using AWD diff and dogbones + MZ steering gear

-chassis with front engine and rear wheel drive with drive shaft and rigid rear axle containing an AWD diff (typical for muscle cars and of course with a printed muscle car body on it)

-rear wheel drive chassis with longitudinal motor and swing arms all around + AWD diff for the rear (in place of a motor pod) This would be the setup for a classic Ford GT40 for instance.

For now I will start with a collection of bodies, they will be available for both the Mini-z and dNano unless specified:

Fiat X1/9 Dallara done, for dNano (http://www.shapeways.com/model/417342/dallara_dnano.html?gid=ug) Mini-z version to come
Opel Kadett GT/E done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/420830/kadett_c_mini_z.html?gid=ug)
Lotus Exige done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/427478/mini_z_exige.html?gid=ug)
**** Chevy Camaro 72 done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/464556/mini_z_camaro.html?gid=sg31511)
Shara MT1 done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/470386/shara_mini_z.html)
***Plymouth Barracuda 71done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/477970/mini_z_cuda.html?gid=sg31511)

Then I have enough documentation to start working on these (* = votes)

**Alpine A110
Aston Martin DB5 (the James Bond one)
** Audi R8 (Mini-z version only)
BMW 2002 Turbo
*BMW M1
Austin Haeley
*Bugatti Veyron
***CitroŽn 2CV
CitroŽn DS for both FWD and RWD with extension kits (wb126mm)
CitroŽn Mehari
Corvette 69
De Tomaso Pantera
***Dodge Challenger 70
Dune buggy (the infamous Meyers Manx (http://www.google.fr/search?q=dune+buggy&hl=fr&rlz=1G1GGLQ_FRFR295&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=mLo0T_W7K-W_0QXgn_GrAg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1260&bih=623#hl=fr&rlz=1G1GGLQ_FRFR295&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=meyers+manx+dune+buggy&oq=meyers+manx+dune+buggy&aq=f&aqi=g-L1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=3315l3315l0l3442l1l1l0l0l0l0l68l68l1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=aa7a70826a05278d&biw=1260&bih=623) of the '70s > version for the MZ buggy chassis as well as RWD racer in RM)
* Ford Capri
* Ford Escort MKI
Ford GT40 (the early GT)
***Ford Mustang Boss 302 or 429
*Ford Mustang 390-GT 68 Bullit
*Gumpert Appolo GT
Jaguar E type
*Koenigsegg CCGT
Lamborghini Urraco or Jalpa
Lister Storm
Lola T70
Lotus Esprit
Lotus Seven/Caterham (probably for the F1 Chassis)
Mercedes 300SL
Mercedes 280 SL
Morris Minimoke the prisoneer
*Pagani Zonda
*Pontiac GTO the Judge
Pontiac Trans Am 72
**Pontiac Trans Am 77 Smokey and the Bandit
*** Porsche 917 K (Mini-z version)
** Porsche Carrera RS 73 94-98 + Fuchs wheels
Renault 12 gordini
*Shelby GT350
*Shelby Cobra (dNano version)
Spyker C8
Tesla roadster
Vector W2

Suggested

* 74 Nova SS
** 71 Chevelle
** Hot rod (race worthy)
** nissan 370z nissmo 94mm +1F/R
**69 Camaro
*82-92 camaro and trans am
** Porsche 914
** Alfa Romeo 155Ti DTM
* WRC Ford Focus 2008 - Abu Dhabi
**57 chevy truck
*80 full size chevy
*85 to 91 chevy s10
*KTM XBow for chassis testing
**1984 Honda Mugen Ballade Sport CRX
*1989 Honda CRX SiR (ef8)
**Dodge Charger 69/70
*99 civic hatch
*Jdm integra
*Eclipse 97-99
*Fiat 131 Abarth
*Lotus Elise (should be fast by editing the already done Exige)
*Toyota MR2 gen2
*Nissan Sil80/180sx
*Lamborghini Gallardo race trim 2N/2W offset (Mini-z version only)
*2000 Honda Insight
**Honda/Mugen CRX 90mm
*2011-2012 Mugen CRZ
*Sterling Nova Condorman version
*Dodge Viper Competition Coupe
*Short track racer
*Armored vehicle/jgsd for the buggy chassis
*Tamiya Hornet for the buggy chassis
** Cadillac cts-v coupe racer
* vw concept golf w12
* AMX Javelin 74
* Corvette C6 LeMans
*BMW M3 really wide
*Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
*ford raptor svt 2010 for Overland
**Mercedes Benz GT3
***BMW M3 DTM 2012
*BMW KS 850
*****Chevrolet Corvette Daytona Prototype - 102mm LM? Tri-shock compatible
*87' Buick grand national
*'58 Plymouth Fury/Christine
*Honda s800 86mm HM
*Mini Cooper (early) 86mm HM
*Mercedes A class
*Toyota MR2 gen2 90mm
*RB8 for Mini-z F1
**Jaguar XJR(x) "Silk Cut"
*Peugeot 905 Le Mans
*Porsche 356
*Ferrari P330
*Peugeot 405T16 Pikes Peak
*Peugeot 205 rallye
*Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA

Parts------------------

-adjustable height side body clips done (http://www.shapeways.com/model/430527/mini_z_adjustable_side_clips.html)
-Chassis that has batteries accessible without removing the body.
-Wide body/fender flares for specific bodies.
-Adjustable wing for MZ and MZ Buggy



I rely on you guys to list me the cars you would like to see done in priority. I will probably throw a vote to determine the order of realization because I will only be able yo work on these models progressively.

Some articles in my shop may be tagged "not for sale". This is only temporary, as this means that I made it print for myself in order to check is everything is OK. If not I will ugrade the 3d model until perfect, then make it available.

Here are some links you can get an idea of materials and possibilities of 3d printing:

The White Strong and Flexible material for dNano body video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhs2lW5x36Q)
How it is printed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBNGnfoGGfQ&feature=player_embedded)
Crazy guy finaly brakes it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEUlmsLe12Y&feature=player_embedded). We don't do that with our MZ bodies, do we?

Stay tuned

Alain

I like the entire list, but I would like to add a few if I may? All these would be hot for Mini-Z and Dnano

1st gen Toyota MR2
Mercedes Benz 190E Evolution I and II
1st gen Vector
1990 Volkswagen Corrado
Koenig-Specials Competition I and II
Koenig-Specials Ferrari Testarossa Twin Turbo
Koenig-Specials Ferrari 355
Koenig-Specials Porsche 911 Roadrunner
Koenig-Specials 928
Koenig-Specials C62 (street legal 962)
Koenig-Specials Mercedes 500 CLK? I forget which the small one is.
Koenig-Specials BMW-850
Koenig-Specials Lamborghini Countach
Koenig-Specials Lamborghini Diablo

1972 Honda Z Coupe for Lite

Okay, Im done.

I forgot to add Christine to the list. Red '58 Plymouth Fury.

Bodom
2012.03.19, 08:53 AM
+1 for Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA

Here is mine Giulia Sprint GT
1:24 on 98mm MA-010
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Alfa%20Romeo%20Giulia/P1090046-1.jpg

marc
2012.04.19, 06:31 PM
I so can not wait for my custom Honda Insight body to be finished! :D

lfisminiz
2012.05.01, 07:49 PM
Alain..........finally got the Lotus back from my painter. Just need the time to detail it before i post a picture.

ALSO........are there any other bodies available? (something more race oriented)

mleemor60
2012.05.02, 07:04 AM
Yes. Waiting patiently for the Corvette Daytona Prototype and thinking how nice it would be to have the Holden and Ford Australian V-8 Super Cars.

B-main
2012.05.02, 10:38 AM
It wold be nice to have a pn lexan pan body printed

marc
2012.06.13, 07:06 PM
I think my Insight is getting printed this week! I can not wait to see it!

Tinytacohead
2012.06.13, 07:46 PM
I think my Insight is getting printed this week! I can not wait to see it!

Sweet, be sure to post pics! (both before & after paint that is :))

marc
2012.06.14, 08:12 PM
I dont know if I can get pics of it before paint. But, I can ask Fovea for some.

Davey G
2012.06.14, 11:03 PM
C'mon Larry get them pics up!

akura2
2012.06.14, 11:35 PM
I'm glad to see the Alfa Romeo 155 DTM in the list... I have a 1/43 scale model from HPI and the wheelbase and track fit the Subaru dnano chassis setting perfectly... I would LOVE to see a classic mini cooper, but for the dnano chassis and made to look like mine with fender flares and front driving/fog lights....

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/akura2/c92d3649.jpg

nikitzo
2012.06.15, 09:14 AM
My votes
Renault 12 gordini
CitroŽn DS for both FWD and RWD with extension kits (wb126mm)
CitroŽn Mehari
Alfa Romeo GTV6
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA

kryten
2012.06.15, 01:10 PM
I'd love to see the classic mini for the dnano,i'm also going to have a set of the 917 wheels/pipes when they are available too.
The mercedes CLK GTR for dnano would be great too. :)

Fovea3d
2012.06.15, 01:12 PM
My votes
Renault 12 gordini
CitroŽn DS for both FWD and RWD with extension kits (wb126mm)
CitroŽn Mehari
Alfa Romeo GTV6
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA

Hi Nikitzo. Good choice. Will add your votes.
I have already build a FWD Citroen DS based on a diecast 1/24 model. See pics of it finished FWDDS (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120615ds/dsfwd.jpg), DSchassis (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120615ds/dschassis.jpg).
It works very well > video of first run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5PwZ7kZv5M)

My idea is to replace the diecast section of this car (basically what is with in ugly stock mauve paint) with a printed plastic shell and mount the original plastic parts of the model on it (roof, windows accessories, chromes).
This will save (a lot of) weight. Currently my DS weights 310gr without batteries! It is fast but the motor gets hot and the batteries don't last long. With a Shapeways body the weight will be similar to a normal MZ.

While doing this DS body I will make a second version that includes the roof and accessories. This one will be for sale. This (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/120615ds/ds3d.jpg) is the shape of the 3d model so far.

@Akura: will add your votes.

@Davey: Sure, I always take pics of each step. Will post them here.

Was very busy professionnaly lately, will have more free time soon to make more models.
Alain.

akura2
2012.06.15, 01:34 PM
Thanks... I have a Sketchup model of the Alfa 155 DTM... But it's not watertight and the body has no thickness... Is that something you can work with and convert over? I can re-save it as an .obj file or convert it to .stl if that's better... Let me know... And a classic mini (especially one that's customized like mine) would be awesome... Kyosho already has the Mini as a mini-z lit, but it's SO plain... But one in dNano size would be GREAT...

Fovea3d
2012.06.15, 01:34 PM
I'd love to see the classic mini for the dnano,i'm also going to have a set of the 917 wheels/pipes when they are available too.
The mercedes CLK GTR for dnano would be great too. :)

Hi Kryten,
I would love to put the 917 parts for sale but they don't look good.
These parts are just too small for the coarse material, I had to re-drill the wheel screw holes, and with just too small details to sand for a smooth finish.
917 parts (http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/917.jpg)
Sadly dnano small parts are under the limit of what is possible currently (dnano H plates and dnano bodies are OK).
There are other materials at Shapeways that are smoother (FD/FUD - Frosted Detail / Frosted Ultra Detail) but also very brittle and only good for static models.
Hopefully sooner or later Shapeways will come up with a new material that is both resilient and smooth, because there is much to do for the dNano.

Fovea3d
2012.06.15, 01:45 PM
Thanks... I have a Sketchup model of the Alfa 155 DTM... But it's not watertight and the body has no thickness... Is that something you can work with and convert over? I can re-save it as an .obj file or convert it to .stl if that's better... Let me know... And a classic mini (especially one that's customized like mine) would be awesome... Kyosho already has the Mini as a mini-z lit, but it's SO plain... But one in dNano size would be GREAT...

Well its a good start. Sketchup models are usually low poly and can be used as a template if the shape is accurate but each surface has to be redone, particulary the rounded edges, the door joints must be created, etc, and of course each open edges must be fused so the model is watertight.
Actually it is a lot of work. You can do a lot yourself and I can check your work if you like. You can send me the .obj model I will have a look.
Yep your vision of the Mini is the same as mine.
Alain

kryten
2012.06.15, 02:29 PM
Thats a shame they looked great,fingers crossed on the mini for dnano then. :)

hrdrvr
2012.06.15, 02:55 PM
Alain, Any word on the DP body? I thought you mentioned some where it would be net on the list, but I figured real life has been in your way, since I hadn't seen you active for a bit. I'm in no rush, just excited, and wanting to try one out :D

Fovea3d
2012.06.15, 03:05 PM
Alain, Any word on the DP body? I thought you mentioned some where it would be net on the list, but I figured real life has been in your way, since I hadn't seen you active for a bit. I'm in no rush, just excited, and wanting to try one out :D
Hi Landon,
Yep the DP will be the next with 5 votes, along with the Alfa GTA that has also 5*. I have to finish Marc Honda Insight project first, it is almost OK for print but then I will also have to paint it. I will work on the DP after that, probably in july/august. I must also find time to convert all the MZ bodies I have for dNano and the dNano Dallara for Mini-z.

lfisminiz
2012.06.15, 10:09 PM
Ill try to get a pic up of the Lotus...painted and decaled...hopefully this weekend.

Fovea3d
2012.06.15, 10:19 PM
Ill try to get a pic up of the Lotus...painted and decaled...hopefully this weekend.
Cant wait to see it finished with a race livery !

akura2
2012.06.16, 11:13 AM
Hi Landon,
Yep the DP will be the next with 5 votes, along with the Alfa GTA that has also 5*. I have to finish Marc Honda Insight project first, it is almost OK for print but then I will also have to paint it. I will work on the DP after that, probably in july/august. I must also find time to convert all the MZ bodies I have for dNano and the dNano Dallara for Mini-z.

PM me your email address so I can send you the file to look at

I would love to see the 'Amaro' or a Lotus on a dNano

More Sugestions:

2009-2012 spec Formula One for Mini-Z

Formula1 for dNano and/or Go Karts for dNano

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/rc_spica/GALLERY/show_image_v2.html?id=http%3A%2F%2Fimg5.blogs.yaho o.co.jp%2Fybi%2F1%2F20%2Fd6%2Frc_spica%2Ffolder%2F 798850%2Fimg_798850_36043966_14%3F1313994869

akura2
2012.06.16, 11:45 AM
This is the SICKEST Lotus I have ever seen..... and I just happen to know the guy that owns it... twin-charged motor (supercharged and turbo charged)

I want this on a dNano... wing and all

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o243/mys2k/roninD.jpg
http://teamspeed.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68681&stc=1&d=1302113125
http://staticclub.caradisiac.com/1/voitures-japonaises/fred/photo/154968154/17971798d7/fred-ronin-exige-img.jpg
http://staticclub.caradisiac.com/1/voitures-japonaises/fred/photo/154968154/1797174970/fred-ronin-exoge-3-img.jpg
http://staticclub.caradisiac.com/1/voitures-japonaises/fred/photo/154968154/1797178c66/fred-ronin-exige-interior-img.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmscSzFurwg&feature=fvwp&NR=1

akura2
2012.06.16, 01:42 PM
http://tinyrc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19615&d=1283878179

marc
2012.06.16, 05:35 PM
Hi Landon,
Yep the DP will be the next with 5 votes, along with the Alfa GTA that has also 5*. I have to finish Marc Honda Insight project first, it is almost OK for print but then I will also have to paint it. I will work on the DP after that, probably in july/august. I must also find time to convert all the MZ bodies I have for dNano and the dNano Dallara for Mini-z.

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited I can hardly contain myself! :p

Tinytacohead
2012.06.16, 08:41 PM
This is the SICKEST Lotus I have ever seen..... and I just happen to know the guy that owns it...

That thing's OFF THE HOOK - I couldn't imagine having the ability to own such a monster!!! :eek:

akura2
2012.06.17, 08:54 PM
What about a Datsun 510 for dNano and for MiniZ

http://www.bryanf.com/510/images/body3.jpg
http://motoburg.com/images/datsun-510-03.jpg
http://motoburg.com/images/datsun-510-02.jpg
http://motoburg.com/images/datsun-510-06.jpg


And a Honda HSV-010 for dNano

http://www.zcars.com.au/images/honda-hsv010-gt1.jpg

lfisminiz
2012.06.17, 09:25 PM
Here you go...pics of painted/decaled Lotus.
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af104/lfisminiz/003.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af104/lfisminiz/005.jpg

chad508
2012.06.17, 09:58 PM
looks good larry. have you ran the body yet? does it look like it will hold up in a race

supafastsupra2
2012.06.17, 10:09 PM
This is the SICKEST Lotus I have ever seen..... and I just happen to know the guy that owns it... twin-charged motor (supercharged and turbo charged)

I want this on a dNano... wing and all


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmscSzFurwg&feature=fvwp&NR=1

How random, I stumbled upon this beast yesterday. Maybe it was on Jalopnik I'm not sure :D

akura2
2012.06.17, 10:23 PM
That looks pretty badass....

Fovea3d
2012.06.18, 07:26 AM
Wow :eek: How awsome! Looks even better than the one in the video :cool:
Congrats to the painter, the scheme is just perfect.
Knowing the material I know this Lotus will be: light, fast and undestructible.

akura2
2012.06.18, 02:36 PM
I'm surprised no one voted for the Honda HSV 010 for dnano... That car looks great as a mini-z... It almost NEEDS to be a dnano...

Datsun 510
Dnano go kart with driver
Dnano F1
2012 F1 for Mini z and dnano
Classic mini custom
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM

lfisminiz
2012.06.18, 10:25 PM
Thanks guys!
ALAIN.....painter is Davey G., here on the forums (DG Designs).
CHAD....Havent run it yet. I would say since its a more flexible body, should hold up fine. For racing would have to tape body (which i do anyway). Not sure if Alain has different side clips now or not. I got the body more for paint/decal/smooth testing. For sure if he comes out with a more "race" type body like the Rolex DP Corvette...im all for it!;)

akura2
2012.06.18, 11:34 PM
I would like to see a Courage style body or Audi Le Mans car

1/43 scale Alfa Romeo die cast... Fits Subaru dNano chassis perfectly
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/akura2/ffe94d3d.jpg

akura2
2012.06.18, 11:46 PM
1/43 scale die cast Alfa Romeo 155 BTCC... Fits Subaru perfectly

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/akura2/dae58ac1.jpg

Fovea3d
2012.06.19, 05:16 AM
@Larry while its difficult to have the surface smooth I could have a mirror like finish on the Shara and Cuda but it takes several more clear coats with buffing in between.

I did not upgrade the mounts but Shapeways forced me to increase the shell thickness for all my mini-z bodies to avoid print errors.
So the Exige has now 1mm thickness (yours is 0.75mm). This increases the price and the weight but the body should be more rigid now and disengage less.

The dNano version of the Exige is in my shop, as well as Marc's Honda. I will order a sample of them today. The dNano Exige should be for sale in about 2 weeks if no errors found.

arch2b
2012.06.19, 10:48 AM
I have to commen you on the work you did on the Honda insight. It looks very accurate and the parts kit will top it of nicely. Im still saving up for the cuda and waiting for the racing clk and others on your long list. Seeing Marc's ride makes me long for my first car, 84 Chrysler Lebaron coupe. A gm turd bucket for sure but you never forget your first car.

Well done Alain.

I no longer have a dnano so no longer interested. No one else wanted to race them so I consolidated them out of my collection. Otherwise I would have voted for the HSV as well. Looks Awsome on the mini-z and I'm sure would look great on the dnano was well.

akura2
2012.06.19, 12:08 PM
Here's my Subaru dNano with my Die Cast Alfa Romeo BTCC on it.... perfect fit

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8804/img7762c.jpg

Fovea3d
2012.06.19, 01:09 PM
I have to commen you on the work you did on the Honda insight. It looks very accurate and the parts kit will top it of nicely. Im still saving up for the cuda and waiting for the racing clk and others on your long list. Seeing Marc's ride makes me long for my first car, 84 Chrysler Lebaron coupe. A gm turd bucket for sure but you never forget your first car.

Well done Alain.

I no longer have a dnano so no longer interested. No one else wanted to race them so I consolidated them out of my collection. Otherwise I would have voted for the HSV as well. Looks Awsome on the mini-z and I'm sure would look great on the dnano was well.

Thanks Ray,
Yes the Insight should be pretty close to reality, the profiles match the picture of the actual car perfectly. It will be mounted on a MA010 with free rolling rear wheels. I had to design a rear chassis extension for the MA010 that will use MR02 front knuckles and springs, this is why there are the 2 types of wheelhubs. I will start a thread for this project when I receive the prints.
Do you want me to add the Le Baron to the list?
S.R.C. already makes the HSV for dNano and I sourced another one that is different in blue (http://kyoshosan.blogspot.fr/2011/06/dnano-honda-hsv-custom-body-w-lights.html) + here the SRC (http://kyoshosan.blogspot.fr/2012/03/new-honda-hsv-010-dnano-body-from-src.html)
Thanks,
Alain

Tinytacohead
2012.06.19, 01:51 PM
Here's my Subaru dNano with my Die Cast Alfa Romeo BTCC on it.... perfect fit...

Dang all of you perfect dNano die-cast fits.. making me think I need @ least one die-cast-dNano in my arsenal! :p I fear most of what I'd go for to be too low slung a fit though - but that's probably a good thing! (as I think Fovea may be getting a few custom Z project requests from me at some point :))

arch2b
2012.06.19, 05:35 PM
that's very kind of you to offer. i'd be very happy to buy print(s) but i'm sure you have a hundred requests that are far more desirable and race practical. nothing special at all about the 84 lebaron at all.

mine was just like this but with the wire wheel caps and white wall tires.

marc
2012.06.19, 11:42 PM
I still yet to purchase me an AWD chassis for this wonderful Insight that Fovea is making for me. Need the chassis and at least a KT-18 TX.

marc
2012.06.22, 11:19 AM
that's very kind of you to offer. i'd be very happy to buy print(s) but i'm sure you have a hundred requests that are far more desirable and race practical. nothing special at all about the 84 lebaron at all.

mine was just like this but with the wire wheel caps and white wall tires.
http://www.allpar.com/photos/chrysler/years/1983/lebaron.jpg

Your link to the image does not work. :(

mleemor60
2012.06.22, 11:23 AM
Perhaps because it isn't a link but a site that you might visit on your own.

arch2b
2012.06.22, 01:05 PM
nope, their site just doesn't like people stealing bandwidth, and rightly so. i made it an attachment. many sites will not let you embed links to images from their site. it has nothing to do with site content.

Fovea3d
2012.06.22, 04:37 PM
I am working on the dp.

http://www.nanospeeders.com/photos/shapeways/dp.jpg

This is a rough preview. From now, angles need to be marked and straighten, door joints dont exist yet.

I did not find any blue prints of this car (side-front-top views) so I had to guess the shape with no ways to check the proportions.

For this reason, I started turn this into a street representation of the DP, something similar to Lambos, Ferraris, Saleen, Ford GT. The wing is removable to be able to choose between street and race.

For this first version (nothing is final with 3d print/shape can be altered later) I choosed to accentuate some details on the DP that were obviously inspired from the Corvette 63 (split window > I modeled a real split window and added the tank cap and axial rib).
I also modified the rear pannel to make it ressemble to the '69. I don't like the rear pannel of the race DP with the engine grille. The grille would print bad anyway.
The rear diffusers are more centered than on the original car, this to prevent the car being lifted from behind.

The other big difference is that the side panels below the window line are recessed. I decided this so the side panels will come close to the body mounts. By encasing the chassis closely, the fitting will be much stronger.

I will probably keep the front spoiler with no openings at all for strength. I will not model the front lip so it won't wedge barriers.

There should be enough room for any kind of rear dampers.
The side panels have big openings to keep the engine cool.

The DP will be 102mm WB with the offset of the K Porsche 962.

Alain

hrdrvr
2012.06.22, 05:27 PM
Dude...Alain.....I have never been so excited for any miniZ body...EVER!! This looks so hot! I am a little disappointing that it will be set for 102, and not 98, but that is something I will deal with :D

Fovea3d
2012.06.22, 05:31 PM
Dude...Alain.....I have never been so excited for any miniZ body...EVER!! This looks so hot! I am a little disappointing that it will be set for 102, and not 98, but that is something I will deal with :D
Thats so easy to change (open file > apply scale % > upload to Shapeways). Just remind me that you want it for 98mm after its finished. Popular bodies will be available in multi WB, and as dNano too ;)

chad508
2012.06.22, 06:27 PM
looks real good. if it was up to me and i know its not i would not worry about door lines. i would keep it as smooth as possible. i also like the fact that you can scale it down easy for shorter wheel bases. cant wait to try it out.

hrdrvr
2012.06.22, 06:36 PM
If it's that easy, I may want you to hit up a 94mm one too :D I typically run my pan cars (well all my cars) at 94-96.

Thanks again for all the effort you have put into these cars so far! I really appreciate it, and know the whole community does as well.