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Draconious
2002.08.01, 05:10 AM
See ebay auction ID: 1754962678

I suspect this is a Pirate Mini-Z that was previously discussed, the entire thing is black, motor wires red and white? Black wheel on the transmiiter? crooked stickers on the transmitter? Could have been done by the owner of the Z.. might just be painted or someting... but the 14$ price says Illeagal CLONE.

Draconious
2002.08.01, 05:20 AM
item 1755007179 is much easier to see... it dont even say kyosho on the transmitter ;) it says hei pao


Defnatly a pirate version, there are more then just that particular one on ebay...

also identical cut and past auctions with diff user names...

report them selling bad stuff to ebay? ;)

The Thunderer
2002.08.01, 05:34 AM
Well, if you look CLOSELY at the second one, you can barely make out "MINI-Z" on the right hand side of the wheel of the transmitter. On my transmitter, that's where the "Perfex" logo is.

I think it IS a Mini-Z... and wouldn't trust ANYONE for that price... probably a fried one that they're getting rid of.

Draconious
2002.08.01, 07:41 AM
It supose to be a Mini-Z so they put the word Mini-Z on it, but none of the parts are the same as a Mini-Z made by kyosho, cuz that is NOT made by kyosho.

GrampsZ
2002.08.01, 08:10 AM
I emailed the seller and asked for a photo of the box that it comes in.

We'll see what/if they respond.

Mondo
2002.08.01, 08:41 AM
That is not a Mini-Z.
The front servo looks totally different.
Also, look at the front steering knuckle, although the photo is small, there is a notable difference.
I reckon that is a coil based non proportional steering servo.
It doesn't have wide rear wheels either. The rim style is incorrect.

The bodyshell looks identical to the original Kyosho units, but anyone can make a mould from an original.
The rear wing has "Heli Pao" written on it, as does the decal on the TX.
The TX has no power switch on the top like the Prefix.
The trim buttons look phoney too.

Yea, it's just a cheap knock-off from the Far East.

Draconious
2002.08.01, 09:12 AM
100% a mini-z clone right down to the box!!!

see item: 1754815796 for the box! :)

There are 3 diff sellers selling these.. so far, likely many more.
entire front end is different... only value is as a palm runner ;) hehe... I bet it dont even have crystals.

The Thunderer
2002.08.01, 01:15 PM
Yeah, they're probably Palm Runner in quality. The lot of you should be detectives; right down to the steering arm? LOL. Its good to be part of this forum so that we can warn each other about these things. LOL.

Josheus
2002.08.01, 01:22 PM
"The remote controller is very nice and quite functional. "

ultrawide
2002.08.01, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Josheus
"The remote controller is very nice and quite functional. "

How do U now that?

Say that U did't buy one of these mini-fubar-Z... plz :D

Josheus
2002.08.01, 02:52 PM
I did't buy one of those mini-fubar-Z


notice the quotation marks.... its from the sellers describtion i presumed you would get what i was getting at just by reading the quote.

'very nice' -what the hell does that mean???

'quite functional' - okkkk

ultrawide
2002.08.01, 02:55 PM
ohhh :D , why did'nt u say that it was a quote, now did U make me :o

Ken Mifune
2002.08.01, 03:11 PM
I did a search for HEIPAO. This is what I found.

http://www.cltoys.com/types.asp?kind=YK#888

It's 37 pages of cloned toys.
I didn't surf the whole thing but I saw cloned Tamiya 4WD; BitChar-G; 206; MiniCooper; Porsche...

ultrawide
2002.08.01, 04:09 PM
I't would be fun trying one of the rc helis :D
But it's only sold in packs of 10 :(

Wonder if it flys to ?:rolleyes:

Mondo
2002.08.01, 04:12 PM
LOL they have "plane" in the description :D :D
Sheesh...
Anyway, I don't think it flies.. in fact, I am sure it doesn't.

Perhaps the company is owned by a Portugeuse guy in Macau, so instead of naming it "Eipa", he added a Chinese theme in the name

ultrawide
2002.08.01, 04:30 PM
Another clone i've found, Kyosho's type 90 tank...
Does kyosho even bother about those pirate rc's?

ultrawide
2002.08.01, 04:37 PM
Ok, that's it. I'm gona cancel my hpi micro and by one of these and make it going 33 mph and outrun someone. :eek:

Draconious
2002.08.01, 04:45 PM
Note that the pirate Z is no better control wise then the palmrunner.... it has no front servo, thus non prop steering.

Josheus
2002.08.01, 05:03 PM
ha ha that company is ****e!!!!!

Draconious
2002.08.01, 05:26 PM
hmm clk has no hood ornament, the bmw body has no chrome apears to just be silver mirrors.. the TT has horibly crooked mirrors.. hehe.. junk, but might be worth a beater body, but some terrorist group probly benifits from counterfit junk like this so I aint buying from them ;).

Mondo
2002.08.01, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Draconious
but some terrorist group probly benifits from counterfit junk like this so I aint buying from them ;).

LOL! Never a dull moment here, is there?

Strider-
2002.08.01, 09:17 PM
These kinds of clones are expected and common.......i always see cloned stuff.......like Mini4WD..........I'd be surprised if there weren't any clones.......

MINI-WRX
2002.08.02, 03:33 AM
I really like his "Transformer" auctions, fricken thing doesn't even say transformers on the box... he he... just says Changeble Robot. he he... guess transformers kinda loses its coolness in the translation... he he...

Ken Mifune
2002.08.02, 07:57 AM
So then the Godzilla clone should say "Big pissed-off Lizard"

Mondo
2002.08.02, 11:07 AM
Ken, being made in Mainland China, where translators are in short supply, it should read:

Godzilla: Angry big sea lizzard from depths of ocean

Ken Mifune
2002.08.02, 11:17 AM
Perhaps just "Action Monster Cat -Breathing Frame!"

mini Z modifier
2002.08.02, 12:17 PM
is my viper a clone cause it has silver mirrors. but it has red and black wires.

mini-z
2002.08.02, 12:20 PM
Ok, that's it. I'm gona cancel my hpi micro and by one of these and make it going 33 mph and outrun someone.

LOL!!!

So...has anyone reported these guys to Kyosho yet!?

The Thunderer
2002.08.02, 12:57 PM
It could also be "Electrical Storm Monster!". I've actually seen one of those, with that title, here in Hawaii.

Draconious
2002.08.02, 01:06 PM
only way to contact kyosho is snail mail ;) -- other then that I have emailed some of the support addresses...

ekek
2002.08.02, 04:02 PM
That front of the mini-z looks like the front of a canned heat. Iam not sure but i think it is.

Mondo
2002.08.02, 05:56 PM
LOL!

Ultrawide, that cracked me up man! Whoohoo....

ScottMcLeod
2002.08.02, 06:09 PM
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3767

Check out the ebay links I put in here... the car bodies are SO nice!

.. if only I could buy the bodies seperately.

ultrawide
2002.08.02, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Mondo
LOL!

Ultrawide, that cracked me up man! Whoohoo....

Wana race me Mondo? I'll whoop you and your hpi with the BB300 for sure! ;)

Mondo
2002.08.02, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by ultrawide


Wana race me Mondo? I'll whoop you and your hpi with the BB300 for sure! ;)

Sure, but my DAD stuck a decal on my bodyshell and he's stronger than your dad!

ScottMcLeod
2002.08.02, 08:31 PM
... or you could ignore me and bicker like little schoolgirls...

mini Z modifier
2002.08.02, 08:47 PM
well. on the front of the box of my mini Z where i got it in the title says MINI Z RACER. so is it a that monster thing that you were talking about thunder dude or is it THE REAL DEAL MINI Z RACER???

Mondo
2002.08.02, 08:52 PM
mini Z modifier

What make is your Mini-Z?
Does the box have Kyosho printed on it?

mini Z modifier
2002.08.02, 08:59 PM
yep. it says kyosho on the bottom left corner.

Russ
2002.08.02, 09:06 PM
The real mini-z's will have the white box up front for the steering servo. These new "clones" are all blaack, with a round magnet housing where the old servo / bulkhead used to be.

That's the easiest way to tell. Do you see the white servo case, or is it all black?

Mondo
2002.08.02, 09:06 PM
mZm

You have a genuine Kyosho Mini-Z Racer

mini Z modifier
2002.08.02, 11:27 PM
is that by the fron tires. its like a white rectangle. right??? and it says perfex on it

Russ
2002.08.02, 11:33 PM
that's right. It's definately a real one.

mini Z modifier
2002.08.03, 09:41 AM
thatsgood to hear.

mini Z modifier
2002.08.03, 10:02 AM
so russ. does your mini Z have a red wire and a black wire??? is that the color of the wires that all real mini Zs have???

Russ
2002.08.04, 07:31 PM
HUH?? wires?? you mean motor wires? You can make them whatever color you want to, just solder in new wires in place of the old ones. But, yes, my motor wires are red and black.

Strider-
2002.08.04, 08:48 PM
Mao tse tung is a freak........i hate that b*tch.........screwed over China :(

Russ
2002.08.04, 10:40 PM
Right... I have no clue what you just said, but I feel your pain...

PorscheGuy964
2002.08.06, 03:15 PM
L@@K<---ebay style, :rolleyes:

I was searching through ebay (whats new) and I found an auction for another fake. But this ones shows the "electronics"


http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30052002/Images/viper3.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30052002/Images/viper4.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30052002/Images/viper.jpg

YUCK!:mad:
http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30052002/Images/viper2.jpg

ekek
2002.08.20, 01:32 AM
thats not a mini-z fake
its a reall canned heat:D

mini Z modifier
2002.08.20, 10:34 AM
what do you mean servo case. the bnox that the mini Z and the controller come in???

solomonZ187
2002.08.26, 03:24 PM
I BOUGHT ONE TOO FOR DIRT CHEAP..EVERYTHING IS WORTHLESS ON THERE AND SO I JUST GAVE IT TO MY 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER TO START OUT WITH SINCE SHES GETTING INTO MINI-Z'S AS WELL AND HAVIN A BLAST..IF YOU HAVE KIDS OUT THERE THAT KEEP MESSIN WITH YOUR MINI-Z'S , I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS CHEAPO KNOCKOFF MINI-Z TO KIDS WHO JUST WANT TO BE LIKE YOU IN RACING Z'S..

THE BRAND IS CALLED HEI PAO. THE BODIES AND WHEELS LOOK THE SAME BUT THEY ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE WITH THE REAL KYOSHO MINI-Z'S.. BASICALLY, DIFFERENT FITTING SIZES.. THE CONTROLLER LOOKS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE PERFEX, BUT WAY SMALLER WITH TRIMS THAT DONT WORK..OH YEAH!! THE BLACK STEERING WHEEL DOESNT HAVE A RUBBER TIRE/ FOAM WHICH LOOK LIKE ITS MISSING.. THE ELECTRONICS ARE NOT DIGITAL PROPORTIONAL AT ALL...THE MOTOR IS NOT THE SAME AS A KYOSHO STOCK AND HAS THE SH!TTY CARBONLESS BRUSHES..THIS CAR COMES WITH A 8 TOOTH PINION GEAR AND GEAR REAR DIFF WHICH IS INTERCHANGEABLE WITH THE KYOSHO Z.. THE H PLATE, BATTERY CLAMPS AND MOTOR CASE ARE THE SAME ALSO..THIS CAR DOES NOT HAVE ANY FRONT SHOCKS..


HERE'S AN IDEA THOUGH!! YOU CAN USE THIS CHASSIS TO INSTALL YOU OWN ELECTRONICS LIKE , MINI RECIEVER, MINI ESC, MINI SERVO IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A MAD MAN MINI- Z..YOU CAN EVEN INSTALL A BIG BAD JOHNSON MOTOR LIKE NML ..

Manchowder*

Mondo
2002.08.26, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Mondo
That is not a Mini-Z.
The front servo looks totally different.
Also, look at the front steering knuckle, although the photo is small, there is a notable difference.
I reckon that is a coil based non proportional steering servo.
It doesn't have wide rear wheels either. The rim style is incorrect.

The bodyshell looks identical to the original Kyosho units, but anyone can make a mould from an original.
The rear wing has "Heli Pao" written on it, as does the decal on the TX.
The TX has no power switch on the top like the Prefix.
The trim buttons look phoney too.

Yea, it's just a cheap knock-off from the Far East.

This is from the first page of this Thread.
Even from the bland pictures on EBay, I noticed the prime differences between the knock-off and real Mini-Z's

PorscheGuy964

Enlighten us, how does it go? (if it does at all):p