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targetingxmod
2012.01.06, 04:32 PM
First:
Setup for carpet track:

-Front Diff almost locked, +100wt silicone oil on diff gears (makes cornering much more controlled)
-Rear Diff almost loose, just normal lithium 1:1 grease on diff gears (makes cornering much more conttrolled)
-Front springs stiff (Blue ones from Xmods kits) (makes steering better and controled)
-Rear Springs medium (Yellow ones from xmods kits) (makes steering on the back, easy, for the front)
-Front Tires more then 30. Medium soft compound. (in here, softer will turn agressevely, hard will not steer at all.....)
-Rear Tires really soft to grip, less then 10. Softer or very soft compound (GRIP an more grip, always needed for control)




Second:
Grey X-Mod Evo Car, Nissan Skyline GTR!



I started to like this little bastards! So "Santa Claus" gave me another one for myself! ::::)

This is the second version of Xmods, the evo ones!

Here come another way to spend € and time.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/01_14122010831.jpg
-In the box! NEW!


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/02_14122010832.jpg
-Side of the box!


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/03_14122010833.jpg
-Back of the box!


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/04_14122010834.jpg
-Outside of the box!


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/05_14122010836.jpg
-Back of the car!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/06_14122010839.jpg
-Chassis itself!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/07_14122010840.jpg
-What the hell? 4x4 is NEEDED!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/08_14122010841.jpg
-Even on stock 4x4 is crucial....:rofl:

First impressions.... better steering than the GEN1, but that's oldschool story!

targetingxmod
2012.01.07, 02:52 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/09_14122010842.jpg
-The 4x4 upgrade... :) (last photo on this post)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/10_14122010843.jpg
-Servo stuff!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/11_14122010844.jpg
-The back is a lot diferent from the trucks....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/12_14122010846.jpg
-Diffs....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/13_14122010847.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/14_14122010848.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/15_14122010849.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/16_14122010850.jpg
-Red conic gear smiling.... :)

And there is a buddy coming to party... wait and see...

targetingxmod
2012.01.10, 03:32 PM
And there is a buddy coming to party... wait and see...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/17_20122010924.jpg
-This friend have joined the comunity...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/18_20122010925.jpg
-It is a brand new body!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/19_20122010926.jpg
-From back...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/20_20122010927.jpg
-Another angle....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/21_20122010929.jpg
-From top...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/22_20122010930.jpg
-And inside...

Just thinking of getting a chassis for another project...

targetingxmod
2012.01.13, 03:01 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/24_20122010932.jpg
-My first "pimps" on the Skyline...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/23_20122010931.jpg
-No sticker...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/25_20122010933.jpg
-Eibach sticker...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/26_20122010934.jpg
-Other Side!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/27_20122010940.jpg
-And i get my hands on this kit... :rockon:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/28_20122010941.jpg

targetingxmod
2012.01.17, 04:13 PM
Eyes eat, right?

So...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/29_20122010942.jpg
-Side skirt stock!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/30_20122010943.jpg
-Side skirt from kit!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/31_20122010944.jpg
-The stock from other side!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/32_20122010945.jpg
-Skirt from kit, other side!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/33_20122010946.jpg
-Rear bumper, stock!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/34_20122010947.jpg
-Rear bumper from kit!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/35_20122010948.jpg
-Front bumper stock!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/36_20122010949.jpg
-Front bumper from kit!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/37_20122010950.jpg
-And the side view....

targetingxmod
2012.01.31, 02:34 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/38_20122010952.jpg
-The hood kited...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/39_20122010954.jpg
-Hood done... full body!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/40_20122010955.jpg
-A Close up...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/41_20122010956.jpg
-Intire body...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/42_20122010957.jpg
-All kit installed...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/43_20122010958.jpg
-Other side from the kit....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/44_20122010961.jpg
-More of the hood....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/45_20122010975.jpg
-Metal bearings, start up...

I dont have enough metal bearings... but i will put the left overs from my trucks....

targetingxmod
2012.02.07, 03:25 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/37_20122010950.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/46_20122010976.jpg
-Metal bearing on front....dont have more :(

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/47_20122010977.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/48_20122010978.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/49_20122010980.jpg
-On back... GPM bushings!! Not yet metal bearings, snif :(

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/50_20122010981.jpg
-Rear fake brake disc!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/51_20122010982.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/52_20122010983.jpg
-And how it's seems on the end... for now!

targetingxmod
2012.03.02, 03:54 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/81_260120111185.jpg
-After some time playing...ordered this wheels, and they are more strengh and accurate than plastic stock ones...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/82_260120111186.jpg
-PN racing Tires.... for those rims :)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/84_260120111188.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/83_260120111187.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/85_260120111189.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/86_260120111190.jpg
-Rims and tires installed...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/87_260120111191.jpg
-I got time in my hands... so was getting a good bed for lithium... and notice the front batery tray... i managed the corners to allow full clearence of whells when steering with the body... it works with no touch :)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/88_260120111192.jpg
-Came up with this cell cover... that will close and acept the lithium ferrite baterys...

targetingxmod
2012.03.16, 06:04 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/89_260120111193.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/90_260120111194.jpg
-Blue alloy rims with body :)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/91_270120111196.jpg
-Can you see the tooth that broke?

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/92_270120111197.jpg
-I have to find something similar....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/93_270120111198.jpg
-And now starting the lithium job...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/95_270120111201.jpg
-Cables...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/94_270120111199.jpg
-Batery tray out...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/96_270120111202.jpg
-Some Exacto work...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/97_270120111203.jpg

targetingxmod
2012.04.22, 03:24 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/98_270120111204.jpg
-Lithium Ferrite installed on batery tray...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/99_270120111206.jpg
-The view of li-fe power installed...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/101_270120111207.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/100_270120111208.jpg
-And how cables are installed...

targetingxmod
2012.05.21, 03:30 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/103_090220111287.jpg
-With 8 fets... 4 "4562" on front 4 "4562 on back"

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/102_090220111286.jpg
-Getting the Xmod Evo board out...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/104_090220111288.jpg
-Much lighter, now :)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/105_090220111289.jpg
-Wiring!
-Wired this way

XMOD_______MINIZ AWD 2,4ghz
orange______white
white_______orange
black_______green

Works great!



http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/106_090220111290.jpg
-New motor in... more rpm's for Lithium Ferrite!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/107_100220111293.jpg
-Aluminun pinion with hex screw!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/108_090220111292.jpg
-And Miniz AWD 2.4ghz PCB installed with Atomic AD stock motor on! Much faster... very faster :bang:

Futures weeks or months... some GPM stuff to cool motor and had strentgh!

targetingxmod
2012.06.11, 02:30 PM
Suspension stock upgrade....
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/109_160320111336.jpg
-The kit that goes in...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/110_160320111339.jpg
-Medium springs on back!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/111_160320111337.jpg
-Hard springs on front....

It makes curves better now... and could do better if i find the red ones for the back... don't know where they are...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/112_220320111388.jpg
-Plastic dogbones don't last long :)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/113_220320111387.jpg
-These don't break!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/114_220320111393.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/115_220320111394.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/116_220320111395.jpg
-Red nuts!

targetingxmod
2012.07.21, 03:42 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/117_200420111564.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/119_200420111565.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/118_200420111566.jpg
-Better motor heat dissipation!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/120_060720111741.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/121_060720111742.jpg
-Alloy diff for front!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/122_060720111743.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/123_060720111736.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/124_060720111738.jpg
-Alloy back kncukles!

A video of the car with the EVO body on my home track!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cexc3t1kx2E

Ps: In the end of the video a tire jumps, lol!!

targetingxmod
2012.08.13, 07:44 AM
More time spent on the car... and with the rides on "home track" i feel the car is not good for race track! I guess i will have some work ahead... ::::)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/125_280720111797.jpg
-First the metal bearings all over it, 14 in total....plus the motor cradle heat dissipator! For race it's needed :devil:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/126_160920111945.jpg
-Titanium central shaft! Lighter and stronger! Feels awesome!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/127_290720111800.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/128_290720111799.jpg
-Tire Grip grease :) To help the Grip factor :halo:

Let's see what can do to the handling for track racing...

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/129_160920111936.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/130_160920111937.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/131_160920111940.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/132_160920111939.jpg
-Droped the body all over with this kit!

targetingxmod
2012.08.14, 05:40 AM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/133_160920111941.jpg
-Put tinner wheels on front for complete backlash right to left with the body on front wheels... a very important bussiness for racing!


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/135_160920111947.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/136_160920111944.jpg

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/fronterasportforum/Grey%20X-Mod%20Evo%20Nissan%20Skyline%20GTR/134_160920111943.jpg

Project over! Thank you all!



A video of the finished project:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrOtmsz64lM&feature=related

mini-z
2012.08.19, 01:20 PM
I really like your project threads! How do you find the Eagle LiFes vs. the R246? :)

yamar6
2012.08.19, 02:02 PM
nice work so far...i just started a street and a gen 1 project to.

targetingxmod
2012.08.23, 03:26 PM
I really like your project threads! How do you find the Eagle LiFes vs. the R246? :)

The Eagle li-fe got 550mah and the R246 got 400mah. I just prefer more playtime! Rest in my opinion is equal, power/punch!