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XPowerRC
2012.01.13, 03:05 PM
though we are relative new comers to the Mini Z optional parts market, we have extensive experience in international and ethical business practices. PN Racing has a considerable market share in the aftermarket parts market for Mini Z and that is commendable but their practice of collectively forbidding dealers and distributors to purchase a competing company’s products is against US Antitrust Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law).

in any free market, it is left to the market to decide what products are best and up to the customer to choose which products to buy. it is unethical for any company to claim another company’s products are ‘copies’ without complete analysis and consideration of all factors including materials, colors, manufacturing and design. PN Racing does not own patents on optional parts for Mini Z and have no right to claim any ethical misconduct by companies who create similar products for release into this very competitive market.

at X-Power, we are confident in the quality of our products and respect all retailers’ right to choose. we will never discourage a dealer from buying another’s products. we respect our customers intelligence and appreciate their support and therefore, will always create products that are innovative, designed to be competitive and long lasting. we hope that retailers and customers will appreciate our integrity and commitment to creating products that fulfill your needs and are worth your investment.

thanks for your attention, if you have any questions or wish to try our products, please contact us by e-mail, support@xpowerrc.com or visit our homepage at http://www.xpowerrc.com – thanks for your kind attention

respectfully,

X-Power R/C Products Distribution & Management
http://www.xpowerrc.com

PNracing
2012.01.13, 03:38 PM
Customer's eyes is clear! watch out!!!!

We are not prohibiting the dealer from selling all mini-z products. You are only stopping them from selling a motor mount that copied PN mount. That is copyright infringement. http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl103.html The mechanical operation of the motor mount is not under copyright protection, (patent does that) but the artistic part of it is. We made our mount square with two symetrical rails on the top. That is the artistic appeal of the mount.

They can copy the low motor position and the separate motor plate, but can't copy the look of the mount. They even copied the diagonal grooves that represent the fake motor cooling fins on the motor plate. That is part of the artistic appeal of the mount.

PN Racing MR2294
http://www.pnracing.us/new/product_image/370_1.jpg

X-Power MM9498
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32484&stc=1&d=1326490596

B-main
2012.01.13, 04:22 PM
Pn you did the samething with your copy of the qtec diff pieces.and reflex did the same

arch2b
2012.01.13, 04:36 PM
rational, respectful responses are to be provided:D moderators will not delete responses unless they are deemed to violate these terms. Keep ti clean fella's, only warning i will give.

bermbuster
2012.01.13, 08:11 PM
They say copying is the best form of flattery...(too bad it doesnt pay the bills)

For me and I want to believe the educated consumer we have choices.
I buy parts based on quality, results, ease of use, customer service and price.
I have been a PN customer from day 1. PN has built a reputation of quality,support,results and customer service.(this is what pays the bills) I have bought parts from other companies and had issues with quality and or customer service.

What I see here is reverse engineering. Is it ethical? I will tell you what will happen if we support companies who do it....The originator will lose money
and will not be able to develop new products so in the end we suffer as racers....

We have the same problem in my industry. We call the copies "pirate parts"

XPowerRC
2012.01.13, 08:46 PM
our product is not a copy. we use higher quality materials and a different color anodization. that in itself makes it different despite the design. we've made our statement regarding their illegal activity in this industry and they will no longer get away with their 'mafia' type activities. we will stand up to you.

yasuji
2012.01.13, 11:20 PM
Pn you did the samething with your copy of the qtec diff pieces.and reflex did the same

:eek:???? in 2007 i had some 10th scale racers taking the round pressure plates and taking them to the end mill making 4 point ninja stars out of them and that was the first i had seen of light weight diff components...but not once did i think that QTEC copied there ideas....apples and oranges....:rolleyes:
when u set them side by side and look at all of the diff pieces if they were stripped of there anodize visually they can be identified as pn reflex and qtec

XPowerRC
2012.01.13, 11:23 PM
1. Do you have any proof that PN Racing is breaking the Anti Trust Law? If so, could you please provide it?

PN Racing's communications threatening multiple distributors and retailers in their network with suspension of their ability to sell/purchase PN Racing products if they purchase/sell competitors products is illegal. this practice is known industry-wide and yes, we have documented this evidence (nanotrax sells PN Racing products and has received e-mails to this effect). any retailers that wish to forward more evidence may do so by forwarding their intimidating e-mails to support@xpowerrc.com

Who has tested your parts? Why are you confident in the quality? How do they compare to other brands and why should we chose your parts over others? You should send your parts to local tracks to test them against others in order to prove that "we use higher quality materials"

'confidence' comes with our manufacturing process, materials and testing in our home markets. there is no company producing anything for the global markets that isn't confident about what they're selling, otherwise they wouldn't be selling at all. just like any other new company coming into any market, we'll wait for consumers to decide and grow in time. why one chooses X-Power over another company initially is a personal issue. it could be the color of our parts, availability, curiosity. no matter what the case, we're confident in customer's satisfaction.

That's wonderful that you respect your customers. In fact, your products aren't innovative. X-Power has taken other company's ideas and made slight modifications to the products. Your mini-z differential comes with the gears 9-14t (idea stolen from PN Racing!). The left hub, left and right pressure plate holders look identical to those of PN Racing. The differential adjusting nut is probably an exact QteQ copy. Your ma-010 differential is practically identical to kyosho's design. (one set of screws is countersunk and the other isn't, while all of kyosho's differential screws are countersunk. again, almost a negligible difference).

every aftermarket parts company looks at a product from the OEM and makes optional parts that we feel are improvements or are in demand by consumers. PN Racing, Atomic, Reflex, etc make parts for Mini Z that are exactly like Kyosho's original parts but perhaps with slight differences in material, color, design, etc. this is the function of an aftermarket parts company. i mentioned integrity as we have documented evidence that a certain company purposely makes products that don't last to force customers to have to purchase more often, generating more sales for them. is this legal? yes. is it ethical? no. this may be an acceptable for some in the industry, but it is unacceptable at X-Power.

4. "we hope that retailers and customers will appreciate our integrity" How do expect to get respect when your parts looks almost identical to those of PN Racing and Kyosho? There are minor differences (motor mount does not have the ability to use a wire-type spoiler), but these do not make a difference in the parts' performance. As far as I can tell, these small modifications and alterations are the only differences in your product designs.

once again, see above...everything we do and everything they do is a slight 'innovation' on an existing product. so saying we or anyone else is 'copying' is like saying there shouldn't be aftermarket parts AT ALL.

bermbuster
2012.01.13, 11:34 PM
everything we do and everything they do is a slight 'innovation' on an existing product. so saying we or anyone else is 'copying' is like saying there shouldn't be aftermarket parts AT ALL.

I want to see you come up with a true innovation and then see how you feel when somebody else copies it.....

XPowerRC your aftermarket source for slightly innovative existing products for your mini z......(you said it...:cool:)

soimthatguy
2012.01.13, 11:44 PM
PN racing has been around for years and we've seen them grow into a better company. They put endless hours into their own ORIGINAL designs and even more hours into track testing them. PN has built a name for itself and the PNWC series they have created and host every year. What you have shown is that you put endless hours into replicating their product and other peoples aswell. As a Mini Z owner/racer, I would support a company that helps out the community, not one that tries to make a quick profit. PN's design was used for one plain and simple reason, it has functionality. If it was not a replica of PNs motor pod, then why exactly would it look just like PNs pod? Why does everyone recognize it off of PNs design? There is a difference between an aftermarket company PRODUCING quality product than an aftermarket company REPLICATING product. I have plenty of experience in eCommerce/Importing/Manufacturing and I know how it works and as a "customer/consumer" you have failed miserably in being innovative.

XPowerRC
2012.01.13, 11:57 PM
as mentioned in our original statement, PN Racing's place in this industry is undeniable. Kyosho's place in this market is undeniable. Atomic, etc... same. we aren't trying to replace them, nor are trying to displace them. we have entered the market as a competitor and only seek a fair opportunity to do so and those interested in giving us -or any other newcomer- the opportunity should not be threatened or intimidated.

again, aftermarket parts making is all about taking existing products and improving them in a way we think customers will feel is useful and all of us do the same thing. i wish them and other existing companies continued success in what they're doing. i hope PN Racing will cease their unethical and illegal business practices and allow us to move forward with customers who like what we're doing.

i don't really don't expect to change the views of some that are on 'their side', one can't win over every customer. thanks to those who have contacted us and appreciate the stand we're taking against bullying in the industry.

yasuji
2012.01.14, 12:00 AM
our product is not a copy. we use higher quality materials and a different color anodization. that in itself makes it different despite the design.
it is made of aluminum and it is anodized :rolleyes:
if it is different, and is "designed to be competitive and long lasting.", and you "will always create products that are innovative, "then why does it look exactly like the PNRACING PARTS?

i think that if you and your company would like to be "competitive and long lasting" and "create products that are innovative"might i suggest hiring a product designer a good r&d team(and no i dont mean review and duplicate ) pre production development drivers and come up with a product that does not look identical to anyone else on the market!
we @ PNRACING have our own vision and we will continue to move in our own direction!
this MINI-Z community is very small and word spreads fast!
keep in mind that this would be a NON-ISSUE if ur parts didnt look like PN RACING OPTION PARTS

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 12:07 AM
this MINI-Z community is very small and word spreads fast!

i hope so... the Mini Z community has already passed thru periods with similar issues (Atomic & PN Racing specifically) so i'm sure this will pass as well. we've already carved our place in the dNano market as many already know and we plan to do the same in the Mini Z market. since you're sponsored by PN Racing, i don't suppose i could expect an objective discussion from you so....we'll leave it at that. thanks for your feedback!

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 12:24 AM
PN Racing isn't a monopoly nor is it running this market as one.

i'm sure they're already discussing the issue with their attorneys as we have. no need to debate on a forum about this. thanks for your understanding.

How satisfied have your customers been? Do your customers have any reviews or testimonials that reflect the quality and confidence on your products? If so, where can other buyers find them? Have your tested your parts in any sort of event where multiple manufacturers' parts are competing together? Have your sponsored drivers to test, improve and promote X-Power products around the world so that buyers can become more informed on the items?

you're asking questions that might be asked of a company that's been in this market for years. i believe the fact that we are 'new' was clarified in the original statement.


PN, Atomic, and Reflex make parts that are better than standard Kyosho parts for multiple reasons. Most of each company's parts are not "exactly like Kyosho's original parts." If you compare motor mounts, front suspensions, differentials, wheels, tires, and so on, you will realize the aftermarket parts are superior and completely different that Kyosho designs.

i addressed this in my original response, feel free to browse thru PN Racing, Atomic, etc's catalogs and you'll find many items that are identical to the OEM outside of using another material (aluminum, delrin, etc)

Why does X-Power take existing products and make slight innovations? Why not completely innovate items that do not resemble parts from other companies? Majority of X-Power parts for mini-z have already been designed and the slight innovations made are almost negligible (refer to screw difference on AWD differential and the 9498 motor mount). It would be awesome if X-Power makes parts that buyers have never seen before and that would make big differences in performance. (making a part out of aluminum doesn't make the performance increase, either)

*sigh* again...X-Power does exactly the same thing every other aftermarket parts company does. we've made original items no other company has created and we've made items that are similar to existing products with our own improvements. that is what aftermarket parts makers do, i'm not sure how else i can say it to make that more clear.

soimthatguy
2012.01.14, 12:24 AM
as mentioned in our original statement, PN Racing's place in this industry is undeniable. Kyosho's place in this market is undeniable. Atomic, etc... same. we aren't trying to replace them, nor are trying to displace them. we have entered the market as a competitor and only seek a fair opportunity to do so and those interested in giving us -or any other newcomer- the opportunity should not be threatened or intimidated.

again, aftermarket parts making is all about taking existing products and improving them in a way we think customers will feel is useful and all of us do the same thing. i wish them and other existing companies continued success in what they're doing. i hope PN Racing will cease their unethical and illegal business practices and allow us to move forward with customers who like what we're doing.

i don't really don't expect to change the views of some that are on 'their side', one can't win over every customer. thanks to those who have contacted us and appreciate the stand we're taking against bullying in the industry.

We've chose someone whom is well engraved in the community. Someone whom we know will deliver and keep delivering quality products. You come into this industry trying to sell a design which has already been produced. X Power RC has not done anything to prove to this community to show that you guys are innovative/high quality/Race Tested. You think us racers will side with a company that replicates parts that we currently use? You want us to think of you like that? Well, I congratulate you cause you have far from exceeded in that criteria. All of us respect Reflex/Kyosho/PN equally because they have original products that stands out for that company. Only bullying is coming from your company. Taking another company's design, claim it as your own innovative design, and trying to make money off it.

yasuji
2012.01.14, 12:26 AM
i hope so... the Mini Z community has already passed thru periods with similar issues (Atomic & PN Racing specifically) so i'm sure this will pass as well. we've already carved our place in the dNano market as many already know and we plan to do the same in the Mini Z market. since you're sponsored by PN Racing, i don't suppose i could expect an objective discussion from you so....we'll leave it at that. thanks for your feedback!

as i have owned an aftermarket parts and performance company myself MATSUSHIMA PERFORMANCE and EKG EXHAUST SYSTEMS in the past
there is not a chance i would copy a YOSHIMURA RACING TITANIUM ex to the "T" and make it out of a different grade of titanium and call it an EKG EXHAUST
ID be laughed out of an industry far bigger than the mini-z community!:D

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 12:29 AM
All of us respect Reflex/Kyosho/PN equally because they have original products that stands out for that company. Only bullying is coming from your company. Taking another company's design, claim it as your own innovative design, and trying to make money off it.

as a consumer, i understand your position. as a manufacturer, distributor & retailer i have a different point of view. microsoft lost is a bid to discourage competition. the same should happen for those who think they have the power to intimidate 'the little guy' #jmho

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 12:37 AM
as i have owned an aftermarket parts and performance company myself MATSUSHIMA PERFORMANCE and EKG EXHAUST SYSTEMS in the past
there is not a chance i would copy a YOSHIMURA RACING TITANIUM ex to the "T" and make it out of a different grade of titanium and call it an EKG EXHAUST
ID be laughed out of an industry far bigger than the mini-z community!:D

so the community should laugh at existing aftermarket companies who make tires for Mini Z because they look just like the slicks from Kyosho? or make dish wheels for 1/8th scale buggys that look just like existing ones by 10 other companies? it seems you don't accept what this business is about if you feel only one manufacturer should be allowed to make a particular product.

aftermarket parts companies make profit from creating something that wasn't their own creation in the first place. some things they do are like the OEM but do you see Kyosho complaining? they're confident about their product and so should any other company be if they feel they're satisfying customers.

as i said in a previous statement, we're only looking for an opportunity. those that are willing to give us that, will. those who are not, won't. simple.

yasuji
2012.01.14, 12:54 AM
so the community should laugh at existing aftermarket companies who make tires for Mini Z because they look just like the slicks from Kyosho? or make dish wheels for 1/8th scale buggys that look just like existing ones by 10 other companies? it seems you don't accept what this business is about if you feel only one manufacturer should be allowed to make a particular product.
im not saying this at all! this is where u fail to understand!
really?visually? can u not see the similarity in the 2 products?




as i said in a previous statement, we're only looking for an opportunity. those that are willing to give us that, will. those who are not, won't. simple.

there are some products that is just to hard to change from there stock form.... but if i look at a picture of an pn mr02 knuckel and a kyosho mr02 stock knuckle i can tell a visual difference:D

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 01:01 AM
really? visually? can u not see the similarity in the 2 products?

we have over 200 products available across dnano & mini z and you're concerned only about ONE? :rolleyes:


there are some products that is just to hard to change from there stock form....

so no one should make it because its just like stock? pn changes a color, adds their label and that's ok, but if we do it, its not?? :D

machgo5go
2012.01.14, 01:07 AM
Simple, If this particular part did not look like a clone, no one will complain.

yasuji
2012.01.14, 01:15 AM
we have over 200 products available across dnano & mini z and you're concerned only about ONE? :rolleyes:

a few have mentioned this and i don't feel i need to beat that bush!



so no one should make it because its just like stock? pn changes a color, adds their label and that's ok, but if we do it, its not?? :D
as far as i can tell i can see the clear physical difference between any pn part next to a kyosho mini-z part

unearthed name
2012.01.14, 03:18 AM
Ok, here's a thing. What's the differences between your motor mount and diff parts compared to the pn? You said your product is better, in what way?

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 03:26 AM
Ok, here's a thing. What's the differences between your motor mount and diff parts compared to the pn? You said your product is better, in what way?

i didn't say it was better, i said it has its own characteristics and gives consumers an alternate choice. if ours doesn't suit your preference, buy another or if this particular part in our line doesn't fit your needs, perhaps something else will. all of our aluminum parts use 7075-T6 aluminum and are anodized red, the color particularly is new in the Mini Z optional parts market.

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 04:08 AM
interesting uhh...analysis. :D

[QUOTE=2.7RS;427465]But thanks for starting the discussion to point out that you are copycats. Didn't relize until now...

we are simply another company doing the same thing other companies are doing, products that are new along with some that are variations on those of the OEM and other existing parts manufacturers. as many have privately contacted me and mentioned, we are providing a new choice in this market and we're happy to supply those willing to give us the opportunity. thanks for your post!

2.7RS
2012.01.14, 05:04 AM
Just thinking. Lets say i go out and buy myself a brand new Porsche. Regular 911.
Then I take it appart piece by piece. 3d-scanning everyrhing. Then I send all my CADs to some metal/alloy machining dudes. Tell them to produce loads of parts. Then I send all the parts to some assembly guys. Tell them to put everything together. Oh. I have to remember electronics and upholstery. No worries there either.
Then I make sure that the.upholstery is pink and the metal parts are puke-green.

Wooha. I have my own brand. Think I'll call i Balle. Then i can sell loads and loads or highly innovative sports cars at a lower price than my competitors.

That should be ok, don't you think? Porsche shouldnt have any problems with that?. Oh, I would have to design a new emblem. Maybe a buffalo in orange would do the trick?

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 05:10 AM
That should be ok, don't you think? Porsche shouldnt have any problems with that?. Oh, I would have to design a new emblem. Maybe a buffalo in orange would do the trick?

i think you'll find our prices are not lower than industry standards as we use materials that are proven high in quality. we certainly can't prevent someone from doing what you describe but in any case, the process comes at a cost. just like Kyosho, i don't think Porsche is concerned about aftermarket parts companies making optional parts based on their design. its up to the consumer to choose to invest in those products or not.

apparently, i don't have the answer you're looking for so...i'll leave it at that :p

bermbuster
2012.01.14, 08:28 AM
You know you can prove us all wrong by coming out with some truly innovative components for the Mini Z......
Spend some real money and do the all the work. Field test the components.
Promote and Sponsor a worldwide racing series. Send your components as promotional door prizes for races. This is what I have seen from PN since 2005.
I am a mini z maniac and PN is a business with a PASSION for mini z.
Prove to us that XpowerRC has that PASSION by doing good for the mini z community. Dont be a kopykat and cry monopoly. PN is protecting not only their investment but mine and other racers too.
*hint* it takes years of investing time, money, hard work and sacrifice....

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 08:47 AM
*hint* it takes years of investing time, money, hard work and sacrifice....

X-Power's goals is not to prove people participating here wrong about anything. the whole purpose of our statement was simply a response to PN Racing's claims. this thread allows me to respond to consumers directly and hopefully, i've done that sufficiently.

no one said our products would be accepted and used the same as long-standing manufacturers overnight, we understand product loyalty takes time to build. that being said, years of being part of a community doesn't justify their intimidating, competition discouraging business practices and their belief they can do whatever they want because they are 'the biggest' and 'most powerful'.

do you care about your dealers? tell PN Racing to stop intimidating them! is it fair to say we're 'crying' because we're bringing to light their behaviour? is it wrong for dealers to want to give YOU options? or do you like PN Racing deciding what you should and shouldn't have access to?

bermbuster
2012.01.14, 09:11 AM
X-Power's goals is not to prove people participating here wrong about anything. the whole purpose of our statement was simply a response to PN Racing's claims. this thread allows me to respond to consumers directly and hopefully, i've done that sufficiently.

no one said our products would be accepted and used the same as long-standing manufacturers overnight, we understand product loyalty takes time to build. that being said, years of being part of a community doesn't justify their intimidating, competition discouraging business practices and their belief they can do whatever they want because they are 'the biggest' and 'most powerful'.

do you care about your dealers? tell PN Racing to stop intimidating them! is it fair to say we're 'crying' because we're bringing to light their behaviour? is it wrong for dealers to want to give YOU options? or do you like PN Racing deciding what you should and shouldn't have access to?

You dont get it do you....
PN is not deciding for us...your parts are copies of PN....
PN is protecting there business and good name. Believe it or not I bet some of the dealers who say they cannot sell your product because of PN is just an easy way out for them not to buy your kopykat parts. The only saving grace here is for the guys who buy your imitations they can always get replacement parts from PN when your no longer selling yours.....

Again your going to say we use superior materials....
Im from Missouri (show me)

Lets see the finite element analysis of both pods......

XPowerRC
2012.01.14, 09:25 AM
You dont get it do you....
PN is not deciding for us...your parts are copies of PN....
PN is protecting there business and good name. Believe it or not I bet some of the dealers who say they cannot sell your product because of PN is just an easy way out for them not to buy your kopykat parts. The only saving grace here is for the guys who buy your imitations they can always get replacement parts from PN when your no longer selling yours.....

again, you're not a dealer and have not experienced their activities. the information was not gathered thru efforts to sell our products but in an e-mail of appreciation for standing up against such intimidation.

judging by your tone, you're not in this for an objective discussion, you're on the attack and this, is not we're here for. i do appreciate your attention and certainly hope we'll build loyalty like yours in our customers.

there will be more product releases in the coming weeks for those interested, we look forward to your feedback. cheers!

bermbuster
2012.01.14, 10:18 PM
I want to use the motor pod as an example. Kyosho is the originator. The stock pod is plastic. You must use shims to adjust mesh and everything snaps together. Not the best because it will wear out from changing t plates, motor heat,swaps and lubrication. Not to mention your limited to what Disc damper/top shock you can use.
Now PN comes along and makes a pod that is easy to adjust mesh (requires the use of a motor can with tapped holes), It is aluminum (strong, lightweight, dissipates heat) Along with the pod they make a series of motors that have tapped holes. Time passes and Kyosho releases an aluminum motor pod that cradles the motor (no mounting holes) and snaps together.
What I see is the manufacturer is trying to appeal to a different way of doing things. They did not copy the PN design. Im not sure who made the first aftermarket pod but even the other aftermarket companies use there own designs.
Now PN keeps evolving the pod by making components more adjustable.
Doing these upgrades cost money. Not to mention the initial design.
Now along comes brand x they most likely sent a PN pod to a company who reverse engineered it and produces it for them. There cost to do this was minimal. This is where the word ETHICAL comes to mind. You can justify it however you like but in plain English....its a rip off. I like how some people say if its cheaper Ill buy it. WOW with that logic if somebody would do your job for less money....how would you feel about losing it...
Look at what PN does for the mini z community. First they make products that make mini z more fun, easier to drive, faster and hold world records....
Next look at there pricing,dealer network and customer service.
Brand X says he has a monopoly forcing his dealers to business a certain way. Look what PN does for its dealers. He provides a Worldwide racing series every year. If a dealer has a race program PN supports the programs with prizes and discounted motors. PN sponsors drivers worldwide and those drivers help the mini z community at local, national and world events.
There is a saying in racing.....what wins on Sunday...sells on Monday...
Believe me the shops I frequent sell out of the HOT parts quickly....
It seems like a monopoly to some but I dont see any other manufacturer providing these services.
What is funny Kyosho and Atomic both have special classes that only allow there hop ups.....PN doesnt:cool:
Right now PN is sponsoring a race series that hss a class that uses no hop ups....
You want to keep seeing mini zs evolve and grow.....do the ETHICAL thing:D

imxlr8ed
2012.01.15, 10:25 PM
I will buy PN because the man truly lives the mantra on his shirts... Eat, Sleep, Mini-Z! I will buy PN because I know of no other person in this scale who has flown all around the world to give us the best racing of any type of RC in existence. I have never met anyone as dedicated to innovation and promotion as Philip. Even when there was only a handful of us with these cars, he was beginning his part evolution for them. PN is the true definition of love for racing, design and quality.

I will buy Reflex because I know there are some of the best racers in this scale testing and putting their ideas to work in every part that comes out of them. I know the quality will be top notch and never have a doubt that the gear will do what it claims. Cristian is another one who will go to that next level of innovation and dedication to his racers.

With both of these companies having direct links with the racing I know and love, I am assured that the designs are coming directly out of the racers heads... these ideas don't just pop out of nowhere! Weird how I've never met a single X-power sponsored racer... Or even saw a single photo of one anywhere.:rolleyes:

Sorry to be so blunt about it but as a designer myself... I despise idea thieves! I know many a story of people who come up with great ideas and get screwd out of what they deserve only to have some jackass with money and lawyers fight to take credit they know they don't deserve. I don't know how they sleep at night.

So if I am just giving one big biased opinion here... sorry! But I'll let my friends on here make that call.

skytng
2012.01.16, 10:18 AM
Give others a chance we need these people to promote the hobby. We need more manufacturer in the market. It is always gd to have competitors, in a hobby is there isn't any competitors then the hobby won't grow.

People come n people go why make such big fuss. If you guys think X-power is copying others product then don't buy from them. It's like X-impact they have motor mount like pn too and there's 2 of the same design do u wanna sue them?

X-impact is not a gd product as they use really bad quality material but... It's cheap!!! Dirt cheap!!!!! I will always ask beginner to buy if they wanna mod their cars cos not many people can afford the kind of money. Do we wan the hobby to die? I don't think so, so wats the big fuss about all this ya. Pls do forgive me if I have offended anyone just my view that's all.

I will defanately try x-power product when I have a chance n give a review. :)