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nikitzo
2012.05.30, 02:19 PM
This is first time that I was trying to paint white body. For me Subaru impreza WRC is the most beautiful body in Mini-Z range. It is not so sportive like almost all of the bodies range.
I own another one Impreza ASC white
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/ABCD0003.jpg
The color that I choose is orange :p
As i mentioned this is my first paint job ever so please don't laugh at me. This was my first try
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3776.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3775.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3774.jpg
It was so bad that I almost leave the project.
After several weeks I sand it
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3796.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3795.jpg
After that second try
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3799.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3797.jpg
I think that is better. There is no glaze but it is much better for me.

So here I have some questions.
I will need any help tips about painting.
I will need help about painting the lights. In the kit they are white. How can I paint them silver?
Other small parts will be black but this is pending issue.

Thank you and excuse me for the bad english

NoBrainer
2012.05.30, 05:42 PM
Did you wash of any oil / fat before painting?
Did you use plastic primer before painting?

nikitzo
2012.05.31, 12:23 AM
Did you wash of any oil / fat before painting?
Did you use plastic primer before painting?

Yes I wash the body but I didn't use primer!

NoBrainer
2012.05.31, 03:53 AM
I'm not sure if thats the problem. But it often helps a lot to use a primer, for smoother surface and to get the paint to stick properly.


But I think this is looking good so far. Cool color.

bcpzx3
2012.05.31, 05:07 AM
I dont use primer and mine come out really clean. It looks like you painted it outside and it was too cold. I usually spray it when the sun it out, and let it sit for a while. Do 1-2 pass from a distance (very light coat), wait about 10 minutes and make another pass with slightly more paint this time.

Usually when the temperature changes when the body is drying it will cause the paint to crack like that.

nikitzo
2012.05.31, 06:04 AM
I dont use primer and mine come out really clean. It looks like you painted it outside and it was too cold. I usually spray it when the sun it out, and let it sit for a while. Do 1-2 pass from a distance (very light coat), wait about 10 minutes and make another pass with slightly more paint this time.

Usually when the temperature changes when the body is drying it will cause the paint to crack like that.

You are right!!! The first paint was in the winter and yes I paint it outside at the balcony. The second try (yesterday) was otside too but the temperature was around 20 degree celsius. I sprayed from distance of 20-30 cm - one time. Today (after ~24 hr) I will spray it again and let's see what will be the result.

bcpzx3
2012.05.31, 01:44 PM
Its about 75degree Fahrenheit here when i spray outside under the sun. I would try doing it somewhere indoors near a heater if possible.

What some people tell me when they paint stuff outside during winter season here. They heat the item up to a safe temperature, quickly take it outside to spray and bring it back indoors before the item gets too cold. But this technique probably takes some practice and calculations since timing is critical.

Looking forward to see your update.

arch2b
2012.05.31, 02:42 PM
what paint are you using? i've had results similar to that with testors, which i've not used since then. i stick with cheap, off the shelf spray paints from walmart. i paint in the sun, rain, snow. so long as i can keep the snow/rain off the body while painting, i don't care what the conditions are. the only exception being very windy days as it just carries the paint away. i don't heat the body. i do wash them to get oils, chemicals off. temperature does affect the way the paint lays down on the car as mentioned.

the tips i repeat to myself are (i don't always listen);
several light coats, never heavy coats.
always shake the can frequently to keep the spray even.
be patient!

you can use air brushes in controlled environments, etc. but in reality, so long as you have a ventilated space, little to no wind, and are patient, you can do this just about anywhere and very affordably. if your looking for diecast quality finishes, best to take the necessary steps that will allow for greater control of the environment and application. for a car your going to race, just put a mask on and get to it. here are some examples i've done with spray paints outdoors through all weather conditions;
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1372/medium/IMG_26691.JPG
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1379/medium/IMG_3924.JPG
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1382/medium/IMG_38881.JPG
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1402/medium/IMG_4608.JPG
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1405/medium/IMG_01361.jpg
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/1418/medium/1311.JPG
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/813/medium/IMG_3335.JPG
http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/968/medium/599xx_01.JPG

my kids get a chuckle out of seeing their old man standing in the basement stairwell with a sheet of pink insulation board over my head spray painting a car in the rain or snow. :p

good luck and have fun with it.

nikitzo
2012.06.01, 02:58 AM
I use this ****ty spray.
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/photo3.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/photo4.jpg

nikitzo
2012.06.03, 02:00 AM
Please help me with the lights!!! Here is original and white one
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3803.jpg
And some small parts also
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_3804.jpg

machgo5go
2012.06.03, 11:40 AM
IMO= Stay away from Testor Paint. It is bubble master then model master.
Go with Tamiya Plastic Paint & a good industrial clear.

blt456
2012.06.04, 02:19 AM
I don't paint that much, but I have learned a few things that seem to work out really well:

1. Use tamiya paint for everything - I have tried pactra and testors but neither compare to the quality of tamiya. The tamiya paint is so much better.
2. Lightly sand body - I don't use primer (only adds another coat of paint)...instead I take a white body from the package, trim it (for racing), then take 1500g sandpaper and sand the entire body. Don't use too much pressure when sanding because the sanding marks will show up when the paint dries. The idea is to scuff up the surface so the paint can stick better. This also helps me not lose paint when I hit others or others hit me on the track.
3. Heat up the paint - Before spraying the body, warm up the paint. I fill up my sink to the point where the water is covering the majority of the can. The water should be a little bit warmer then room temperature. This works out for me because where I live, it is typically colder and heating up the paint makes the pressure in the can increase, which in turn makes the paint shoot thinner.

twinkie
2012.06.04, 04:32 AM
For me I get really anal when painting sometimes so here are my steps:

I wash my hands.

Wash the body wish dish soap, preferably luke warm water

Remove any material from the body (if sanding use gloves, helps prevent oil from your skin getting onto the paint surface that is being sanded, of which you mixing your oil with the remnants which can contaminate the surface and cause fish eye or lifting)

Wash the body again, removes anything left over from sanding.

Wipe the body down with denatured alcohol (again removes any oil or contaminents)

very lightly wisp over the body with a tack rag

apply masking

wipe down again with denatured alcohol

after the denatured alcohol i the lightly...very lightly just wisp over the body with a tack rag

a couple light coat on the surface...wait a few minutes for the paint to tack up.

Then go over till you get your desired finish. ( I typically use pearl paints so every coat changes the tone)

Before removing masking I let is cure for 24hours.

Remove masking and wipe with alcohol, tack rag, and remask if needed, then wipe with alcohol, tack rag, and paint... continue till done with design.

For clear: after the color has cured for 24+ hours, i will gently wisp over the body with denatured alcohol (not a lot due to you may remove color) then with a tack rag and then apply clear.

A few light coats of clear, then I hit it till i get a desired finish.

After 48 hours of the clear curing I will polish and wax the body.

All in all I've been painting a couple of bodies for other club members and it takes me about a week per body.

And to try and keep the paint as smooth as possible, I do not layer the paint, as in do a base coat then mask off for stripes. I mask off the stripe get the color then mask over the stripe, and get the body with other color.

Forgot to add, I use automotive lacquer paint, its nice thick, sprays evenly, easy to work with and its 2 or 3 stages depending on color. I use testors or model masters if doing by can. Shooting color is the easy part, the tedious work is in the prep-work and the finishing of the clear.

On first pictures, that result is called "Lifting". Lifting is where a chemical reaction is caused by a surface or an enviormental condition is not allowing the paint to bond to the surface.

twinkie
2012.06.04, 04:51 AM
these pics are taken with my phone... so they aren't the greatest but you get the idea.

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo24/e2/6f/e54da596a852__1338799442000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

waiting for clear

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo39/d7/16/e8a46284fc04__1338799660000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

waiting for clear

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo35/5b/0b/e1ccd5763302__1338799668000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

waiting for pearl coat

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo36/9d/1d/bc4287ed3ae8__1338799709000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

you can see the difference with adding pearl on the wing compared to the straight green fender

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo41/02/cb/cd6efd9d5040__1338799625000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

added clear...you can see reflections of my awning in the backyard. I focused more on the nose of the hood when taking the picture, so that hopefully I could catch how the clear and the daylight is adding depth to the paint.

twinkie
2012.06.04, 04:54 AM
Gave it some eyes LOL
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo30/9e/4b/1a2cd6f2602b__1338800086000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

the white stuff stuck in the crevice is wax...just some warm water teh next day washes right off.

twinkie
2012.06.04, 05:18 AM
dont know why you guys are having problems with testor products this car was shot with these plus their ultra gloss clear

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo42/8f/e2/49c4c21d5b37__1338801452000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

cdog4w
2012.06.04, 05:27 PM
dont know why you guys are having problems with testor products this car was shot with these plus their ultra gloss clear

https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo42/8f/e2/49c4c21d5b37__1338801452000.jpeg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

+1 for success with the above paint: http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38095

nikitzo
2012.12.12, 08:59 AM
Finlay I made it

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_4045.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_4044.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_4043.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb354/nikitzo/IMG_4042.jpg

Not the best job but for the first time I'm satisfied!

ScoobyPete
2012.12.12, 10:28 AM
Not bad IMHO, I made the mistake of trying to do 3 coulors on my 1st white body and not using a coat of white 1st.

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38507

I have trouble with getting the paint the right consistency when using an air brush and also I seem to get bleeding under the masking tape no matter how carefully I mask up.

arch2b
2012.12.12, 11:11 AM
if working on a white body and you get paint bleed over white, i use a curved xacto blade to scrape the paint off without taking plastic off with it. you may end up with ever so slight surface blemishes depending on how much pressure is necessary but trick works fine for me.

180SX SR20
2012.12.22, 10:44 AM
i don't know about you guys, but a tack rag leaves some greasy waxy stuff on the surface. I personally stopped using tack rags on my white bodies.