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Bodom
2012.07.20, 09:14 AM
Here is what I saw on EGR's website :eek:
http://www.egrracing.com/shop//images/banners/AWD218.gif
Can't wait to see more details and price!!!
WOW!

Edit: Maybe posted in wrong subforum, because it's not a question, rather than a discussion on a new coming product. Sorry.

TheRinger
2012.07.20, 12:19 PM
Same here! Sweet!

marc
2012.07.20, 12:50 PM
Wow, it's amazing how rapidly technology progress's even in our hobby! :)

danieluki
2012.07.22, 03:19 PM
I like it....:cool:

danieluki
2012.08.02, 04:31 PM
Today Atomic announced in F******k the launch date for the end of august ....:)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/373898_10151097767275854_2105134115_n.jpg

Petrokl
2012.08.07, 06:49 AM
They start sales:
http://www.egrracing.com/shop/images/medium/atomic/AWD218_m.jpg

Bodom
2012.08.07, 09:19 AM
Thanks for the info Petrokl !
I ordered mine today :cool:

Atomic-USA
2012.08.07, 11:43 PM
Here are the highlights:


Suspension with optimal performance and dampening. Ideal for competition or drifting purpose.
Specially made shock body for best dampening performance.
Wide range of settings possible to suit all race circuits and driving style.
Quick ride height and tweak adjustment.
Eliminate the need for multiple shims and dis-assembly when changing settings.
Compatible with different steering knuckles and ti-rod for further customization. (Available separately).

chad508
2012.08.08, 01:28 AM
Will the shocks be available separately

d1nzfe
2012.08.08, 09:26 AM
Will the shocks be available separately


I hope it will be! i believe it will be same part as the one they gonna release for MR03 front soon. ;)

Felix2010
2012.08.09, 09:03 AM
@Atomic/Sai - Does this system have adjustable caster? Thank you! Looks very nice.

danieluki
2012.08.16, 05:53 AM
Thanks for the info Petrokl !
I ordered mine today :cool:

Please post some detailed pictures when you get it mounted...;)

Bodom
2012.08.16, 07:48 AM
I got it on my desk already :cool:
But I'll need day or two to get it assembled. It needs some care (polishing) here and there to work smooth.
I'll post pics :p

Atomic-USA
2012.08.16, 08:22 PM
@Atomic/Sai - Does this system have adjustable caster? Thank you! Looks very nice.

Caster is fixed

d1nzfe
2012.08.17, 12:38 PM
I've got mine today. Got it up and running in real short time.

Followed the instructions,cut the bottom tabs etc....
Only the knuckles needs some work to get it smoother.
The under brace or 'arm' also acts as a brace for the body clip therefore reinforcing it.
Tri-shock users will be so tempted to mount these shocks to their setup.Its smooth and bind-free from the package.It now comes in kyosho 'inner-tube' design,minus the tiny screws.
Tie rod is different from the stock ones.And this means we have to wait and see if they come out with options soon.
Here's a sneak pic.
Added Atomic's old version ARB on it.
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1104/iasq.jpg
Will review it on track soon.

skyler
2012.08.17, 03:56 PM
Man that's hot!

Bodom
2012.08.17, 04:23 PM
I assembled mine too.
I like it. Mine knuckles needed some work too to get them to move easy.
It works smooth now. The shocks are perfect. On the floor at home drives better :) Track experience is needed but I have big hopes.
I have clearance issues with Atomic VDS III though :mad:
But it is not bad. I will make it work.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_2283.jpg
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_2284.jpg
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_2285.jpg

skyler
2012.08.17, 05:55 PM
Great pics!

leonabi76
2012.08.18, 01:36 PM
That's a steal at $31!! I wonder when the corresponding aluminum parts will come out. More pointedly the aluminum shocks. Will regular aluminum knuckles work with this unit?

Atomic-USA
2012.08.18, 08:15 PM
Yes, alloy would work

danieluki
2012.09.07, 09:36 AM
Sorry , No camber adjustment...?
Would be nice some images of the wheel camber progresion under load....
I am not stil 100% convinced to buy it ... I have the PN front SAS and I think is more tuneable...

danieluki
2012.09.07, 04:58 PM
In this image can be apreciated the right side loaded...
http://www.rcatomic.com/atomic/images/addition_atomic/AWD218_inst.jpg

Bodom
2012.09.23, 02:30 AM
I have two questions:
1. Is this the right way to limit suspension travel?
I've putted shims on top of the knuckle.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_4082_zpsfdf56e2d.jpg
I had issues with knuckle popping off the lower ball when the suspension fully compresses.

2. Is it normal to have that much toe-out with the stock 0* toe bar?
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_4084_zps50e46c48.jpg
What have I done wrong?

Bodom
2012.09.28, 10:08 AM
5 days and no comments on my questions :confused:

art3ria
2012.09.28, 10:18 AM
Alu dont work..... too much toe-out with 0

TheRinger
2012.09.28, 12:14 PM
I haven't got one of these yet. The only thing I can suggest is using a +1 tie rod. That should get you close to 0 toe. If not keep going up in toe in tie rods till its there.

Bodom
2012.09.29, 08:47 AM
I haven't got one of these yet. The only thing I can suggest is using a +1 tie rod. That should get you close to 0 toe. If not keep going up in toe in tie rods till its there.

I know that the way to fix it is to use +(something) as tie rod, but I am in confusion that I messed something with the assembly of the suspension since I suppose It has to be 0* with the 0* tie rod.

Cherub1m
2012.10.02, 09:32 PM
I have two questions:
1. Is this the right way to limit suspension travel?
I've putted shims on top of the knuckle.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_4082_zpsfdf56e2d.jpg
I had issues with knuckle popping off the lower ball when the suspension fully compresses.

That looks like a good solution however you may have more camber gain.

2. Is it normal to have that much toe-out with the stock 0* toe bar?
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_4084_zps50e46c48.jpg
What have I done wrong?

Yeah thats normal mine is the same way.

However it tracks straight and has very smooth suspension movement and its light weight.

I will write a small review once I get a chance. I just had a chance to run the system on our local track it ran very well, lots of traction.

Cherub1m
2012.10.12, 10:48 PM
First Look

I finally got my hands on the new ATM AWD front suspension, thanks to Sai Tam from Atomic-USA. I have been waiting for this since Sai posted a picture in Miniz Racer. I’ve had the system on September 29th I could not set it up during our first race at Cruizin with RCs (which was on September 29th) but I had a chance to build the system and bring it by Cruizin at a later date and do some testing.
The instructions were simple and easy to follow. What I like about the system is that it’s made of nylon and fiber which is durable and best of all its light weight.

Set up

First thing after building the system was to checked (before adding the shocks) for binding, there was a small amount of binding on the left lower arm, only thing I did was to remove and reinstall the bottom left metal ball a few times and this improved the suspension movement. It did not take much to get the suspension moving very freely. My next step was to put some grease in the shocks (weight was from some 12 scale grease #6) and install them. After that step, I adjusted the droop with the top droop screws. The suspension movement was very nice, the further the suspension travels there was a small noticeable camber gain, I did not notice any bump steer effect. Next was to mount the rims and tires. Basically I use +1 wide rims and 10 degree AWD Groves in Rear and +2.5 narrow rims with 10 Slic R’s in the front both tires glued after the rim was lined with tire tape. I ran the stock Kyosho rear end, however, (I want to run the new SAS with this new system). Camber is changeable by either getting new knuckles or raising the upper arms (use the systems normal camber gain has the suspension travels up). Caster is not something I noticed that was changeable, maybe Atomic will provide some different upper arms to provide caster changes.
The next step put the car on a track 

Track testing

Day 1 at home

I have a small carpet track at home which is a little bumpy, the car ran extremely well, tracked straight and did not deviated from its trajectory even with the bumps on my track. The steering was amazing a little too much at times but for a tight track that worked very well. However, my small track was not enough, I needed a much bigger track to test out this system and let that Chili reach its full potential. Were could I get this kind of track?... On to Cruizin With RC’s amazing and smooth carpet track.

Day 2 at Cruizin With RC’s

The car did what I expected… steering, loads of steering the back of the car chattered because of so much steering. What I did not expect is the front end remaining planted, normally with that much rear chatter some of the chatter would transfers to the front end, well I got no chatter in the front, in fact it seemed like the front end was just pulling the rear along I had to do some adjustments to the stock rear end. I added some ATM SAS grease to were the knuckles connect to the rear toe bar. With hopes this would reduce the rear end chatter. Next run was much better the chatter was not eliminated, but it was reduced and the car became more drivable. Amazingly enough, even with that much steering the car did not flip (Thank God for the carpet track). Also the car tracked very well in spite of the noticeable front toe out. In short, my hot lap with my stock Kyosho AWD suspension was 15.4 but I consistently hit below 16 sec. With the new system my fastest hot lap was a 15.3 but because of the increased steering I lost some consistency. Also, I think the outside front suspension was traveling so much that the inside rear tire would rise on hard cornering. I think few things that I need to do next time, is use harder compounds on the front; the harder compound would reduce the steering a bit and keep the suspension from traveling too much (or use a front sway bar). Also, I think harder front springs would help reduce the steering and body role a bit which would translate into a more consistent car (The system was nibble, the car changed directions very well in spite of the soft suspension). I see a lot of possibilities with this new system, with some slight tweaking I think I would be able to improve consistency and reduce track times. I had to modify my driving with this system, I had to drive it more like a 2wd. Doing this slight change on my driving I noticed the AWD fitted with the ATM AWD front end entered the corners almost like a 2wd but exited the corner like an AWD, this slight change in driving helped reduce my rear chatter and improved my consistency . Just wanted to mention the knuckles did not pop out at all during testing, it will be great to see this system working with a the new ATM SAS to settle the rear end a bit.

Cons

No caster settings (maybe ATM will make some modification to the upper arms)

Pros

Light weight (5.6 oz more than my stock suspension AWD)
Increases steering (can be a double edge sword)
Easily tuned (droop screw, adjustable shocks…etc)
Easily put together
Well-made and smooth suspension travel
Great looking system
Tunable for any surface

Check out the pictures below

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33236&d=1350096489
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33237&d=1350096499
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33238&d=1350096509
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33239&d=1350096518
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33240&d=1350096529
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33241&d=1350096715
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33242&d=1350096728
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33243&d=1350096736
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33245&d=1350096764
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33246&d=1350096849

Cherub1m
2012.10.12, 10:52 PM
More pictures of the New ATM AWD Front end.

Bodom
2012.10.13, 06:57 AM
Thanks for the detailed review Cherub1m :)

cowboysir
2012.11.15, 10:37 AM
I have a question about setup and a few comments on this product:

In the build directions, the knuckle gets installed with the short pole of the knuckle pivot axle on the bottom side. I haven't tested yet but under bench test compression I can pop the knuckle out of the lower pivot ball housing. I notice as well that the long section of the knuckle pivot axle is installed top side where the length seems to be less of an issue....

Have I installed the knuckle incorrectly? Are my bench test compressions falsely popping the knuckle out (Am I going overboard?)

My only comment about this product (other than the comment/question above) is the extremely fiddly nature of installing the steering pins on the knuckle. If you plan on making something that requires very careful work you might consider a tool to go with the kit or a change in the shape of the install surface so it fits a nut driver. That'd ensure a smoother install.

Bodom
2012.11.16, 02:48 AM
In the build directions, the knuckle gets installed with the short pole of the knuckle pivot axle on the bottom side. I haven't tested yet but under bench test compression I can pop the knuckle out of the lower pivot ball housing. I notice as well that the long section of the knuckle pivot axle is installed top side where the length seems to be less of an issue....

Have I installed the knuckle incorrectly? Are my bench test compressions falsely popping the knuckle out (Am I going overboard?)


I had the same problem, and I solved it like this:

1. Is this the right way to limit suspension travel?
I've putted shims on top of the knuckle.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/Bodom_photos/Mini-Z/MA-010/DSC_4082_zpsfdf56e2d.jpg
I had issues with knuckle popping off the lower ball when the suspension fully compresses.



My only comment about this product (other than the comment/question above) is the extremely fiddly nature of installing the steering pins on the knuckle. If you plan on making something that requires very careful work you might consider a tool to go with the kit or a change in the shape of the install surface so it fits a nut driver. That'd ensure a smoother install.

I had the same problem with installing steering pins :) After some time of unsuccessful tries - I got thread maker tool and made threads in the knuckles. So afterward I installed the pins with no effort :) :rolleyes:

HammondCheese
2012.12.11, 08:52 AM
I had the same problem, and I solved it like this:




I had the same problem with installing steering pins :) After some time of unsuccessful tries - I got thread maker tool and made threads in the knuckles. So afterward I installed the pins with no effort :) :rolleyes:
+1 on the pins being annoying. Mine eventually relented to a combination of needle nosed pliers, an elastic band, and carefully concentrated violence.

On a related note, anyone else noticed that anti roll bars and option springs now exist for this part?.....

ceekmc
2012.12.19, 11:39 PM
first time posting on this forum :-)

This setup looks great on the car and seems to work v. well too, much better than the stock knuckles in terms of consistency with lines.

i had a few niggles though, thankfully it looks like we all did and it wasn't just me being inept.

I had the same problem with the steering pins, i also resorted to violence with pliers i also had to sand down the knuckles.

my toe in bar then jammed intermittently when steering so I had to remove it and sand it to smooth so it wouldn't catch anymore.

I added the SAS grease and the shocks would not move, so i removed and cleaned the shocks and now it's much better. Maybe different grease would've just been the answer to start with LOL, note to self, add grease after you build and try it out first.

The last niggles were the spare parts I had left over and I could not spot them on the diagram anywhere ( little black nut things )and the really hard to turn adjustable rings, those things are super tight to adjust the preload., i think i just expected them to glide

i'll fit the anti-roll kit when it arrives ( bought last week )and will update on it after i test it out.

thanks for the info guys, this is a great forum for noobies like me.

Bodom
2012.12.20, 04:30 AM
Welcome to the forum!

first time posting on this forum :-)
my toe in bar then jammed intermittently when steering so I had to remove it and sand it to smooth so it wouldn't catch anymore.

Recently I faced the same problem and solved it the same way :)


I added the SAS grease and the shocks would not move, so i removed and cleaned the shocks and now it's much better. Maybe different grease would've just been the answer to start with LOL, note to self, add grease after you build and try it out first.

SAS grease is too thick for that shocks. Try something else.. I used gear diff grease.


The last niggles were the spare parts I had left over and I could not spot them on the diagram anywhere ( little black nut things )

I wondered the same thing and asked the support.
They replied the following:
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33339&stc=1&d=1355995727
"The four plastic nuts are the original design for adjust the suspension sitting position,
but we have improved the design and made it together with the upper arm (shown in picture) so that It just for spare now."

I didn't get it what spare this part could be, but I accepted that these are just something to lie around my parts box.

ceekmc
2012.12.21, 12:02 AM
Thanks for the reply Bodom,

thanks also for including that pic, it was perfect ! those are the bits i was describing :-)

i'm so bad at reading instructions and asking questions to product support .. so i just kept looking on Atomics website and eventually, I found an mr03 pic on the atomic website showing that same new style of suspension and it shows those same little nuts in place on the bolts that join the upper wishbones to the upper pivots that joins to the wee carbon fibre plate..

i haven't tried linking pics yet in the posts, so im hoping to describe it enough that anyone reading this will either understand or go to the Atomic website and look for the same MR-03 pic

I figured they were superfluous but was still surprised they'd been pictured, included and then not needed.

thanks for the tips on the diff grease, i will try that out too.

Cheers.

ceekmc
2012.12.21, 12:11 AM
I will also say that this seems to be great functionality for the price.

I was originally looking to pimp my front end with the anodised double A-arm, but it was pretty expensive. I know it is serious Bling with a smooth action, but the cost and also the extra weight were prohibitive for me. This was just the right product at a great price.

ceekmc
2012.12.21, 12:15 AM
whoops, my memory does not serve me well, i checked the Atomic site and found that pic showing the little black nuts but they on the ends of the shocks where they join the ball. interestingly, they were only on one side of the shocks and also not in the .pdf instructions..

Apologies for the misdirection.

HammondCheese
2012.12.23, 08:07 AM
Anyone know (or measured) the spring rates on the Option Spring Set for AWD I.A.S. - and how they compare to stock?

cowboysir
2013.01.13, 06:31 PM
Got a good driving session with the IAS system for AWD:

1. After figuring out a spacer for the top of the knuckle the knuckle never popped out once.

2. Incredible steering feel
3. Way less chatter in the front end compared to stock

Now I have soft springs on both the IAS and Atomic rear end with heavy damper grease (Ruby Lube Blue Goo) and its well sprung, supple with no chatter or traction roll

Very happy with this product.

rodolfosolis
2013.01.14, 11:49 AM
Can we have a review on this surface please RCP? How it compares with PN Double A arm? Thanks!

cowboysir
2013.01.14, 03:11 PM
I only race on rcp.

I have limited experience with the PN system but I can say it has less slop and is lighter.

cowboysir
2013.07.10, 10:31 AM
I'm curious to find out if some Atomic tie-rods have come out for this system to improve/change the massive toe-out I get from the stock setup...

Anyone?