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unearthed name
2012.11.22, 01:48 AM
i know the body hasn't been released yet, but from what i read at kyoshosan, people at kyosho says they will handle better than the audi R8. knowing how good an audi in eating corners up, i can't think what will this italian car will do to our track now.

here's the link to the original blog post.

http://kyoshosan.blogspot.com/2012/11/mini-z-ferrari-458-italia-gt2.html

HammondCheese
2012.11.22, 08:20 AM
i know the body hasn't been released yet, but from what i read at kyoshosan, people at kyosho says they will handle better than the audi R8. knowing how good an audi in eating corners up, i can't think what will this italian car will do to our track now.

here's the link to the original blog post.

http://kyoshosan.blogspot.com/2012/11/mini-z-ferrari-458-italia-gt2.html

Well they kind of need to say something like that don't they? 'Hey this is a piece of junk that handles like a brick' will kind of only sell to people who really want to drive a 458. Of course Kyosho could try to turn this into an arms race - going out of their way to ensure that at least a few of the new bodies each year are better than previous releases - keep sales to hardcore racers ticking over.....

d1nzfe
2012.11.22, 09:58 AM
just gonna get your hands on one and do it justice.
Comapre weight, weight distro vs R8 as R8 is already a very light ASC.

freaki
2012.12.04, 04:11 AM
good point...and albert, order it from kyoshojapan and try it on thetrack...and dont forget to try it with the brushless 03...:D

unearthed name
2012.12.04, 05:27 AM
sabar lah. nanti juga datang sendiri (be patience young padawan, they'll come)

Traveler
2012.12.27, 08:48 PM
They are on Kyosho Japan site HERE (http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/rc/body_detail.html?product_id=109403) and are 98mm! Sweet! Just wonder what offsets it will accomodate!

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33355&stc=1&d=1356659609

imxlr8ed
2012.12.27, 09:46 PM
They look awesome!, I just see the rear portion of the wheel well lips catching the rails though. But thats only a problem when you hit walls as much as I do!

lfisminiz
2012.12.28, 12:00 AM
They look awesome!, I just see the rear portion of the wheel well lips catching the rails though. But thats only a problem when you hit walls as much as I do!

I agree but if thats a problem...maybe less rear off-set and trim that away some?:rolleyes:

Sammich
2012.12.28, 09:04 AM
i hope the local shop is on this..i want this body

arch2b
2012.12.28, 10:08 AM
I agree but if thats a problem...maybe less rear off-set and trim that away some?:rolleyes:

that was my first reaction to the 458. trying to cut a close line is going to snag one of those bloomers and hook you into the rail or bump your back end out. i think your going to see some of that sanded or cut down unless its shown to just glance off.

helps to look from more of a side (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cFt7hyS4DGw/UKxK9vl4rKI/AAAAAAAAWtU/OZyDHS8TOtQ/s640/mzp221Y-3.jpg) angle. image from Mini-Z & dNaNo News flash!! and re posted on kyoshosan

Rune
2013.01.02, 08:39 AM
Allright.
The 458 are 3 offset rear and 2 offset front from the box.

Typical R8 offsets works fine. Here its pictured with 2,9 offset front and 3,4 offset rear.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Jnx-k3P8rP4/UOQxlheCLNI/AAAAAAAAEnw/mMceFK79J6U/s904/IMG_8650-001.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u0aT4PNlXy4/UOQxqQ38FzI/AAAAAAAAEoI/F_6b3t_BOdA/s903/IMG_8653-001.JPG
No problems with tire rubbing.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G64Emb1S7Ag/UOQxhVSRHnI/AAAAAAAAEnY/qIN7fc_lfak/s906/IMG_8647-001.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z5xqcGdxAdU/UOQxoQrM3aI/AAAAAAAAEoA/i9F0553DRjA/s905/IMG_8652-001.JPG
Weight.
The red one weighs 37,1 gram.
The Yellow one weighs 39 gram.
The windshield weighs 8,1 gram.
The rear bumper are screwed on, and weighs 4,5 gram.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ycycx1Nqf1c/UOQ3_MtN6YI/AAAAAAAAErE/Y2NiE45Yo5U/s690/458+vekt.jpg

Since there are no lexan window available so far, I went trough all the different lexan windows I had lying around, and found that the R8 window fits good enough for track testing.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-616keXVs5MM/UOQx8FijT_I/AAAAAAAAEpw/ZnfYq0Vr2g4/s902/IMG_8665-001.JPG
Final weight with lexan window and rear bumper are 33,2 gram.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RqCBliydkBw/UOQyEBopjoI/AAAAAAAAEqg/ZqXM6E3UV0o/s764/IMG_8671-001.JPG
Should be easy without much problems getting it down to around 29 grams. The whitebody even lighter.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4Q1T0M9fZIk/UOQyCRN0f1I/AAAAAAAAEqU/y29oouHCxuo/s764/IMG_8670-001.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1lB_fVFWLV8/UOQyGISf_xI/AAAAAAAAEqs/mSkX3Uf4zTI/s905/IMG_8674-001.JPG


It has been a long time since I have had an Autoscale (only whitebodys here), but the finish looks very nice (only had to adjust bodyclips on the left side on both, and the wing on the red one are slightly skewed).

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MhMZNJZyDl8/UOQyAUqsDAI/AAAAAAAAEqM/qfqzNVuBflU/s903/IMG_8668-001.JPG

Traveler
2013.01.02, 09:08 AM
Great info and pics! Thanks for sharing!

NoBrainer
2013.01.02, 09:36 AM
Nice Rune.
Just do some test runs now and tell us how it compares to the R8.

btw, it looks awefull when you remove the rear...better do some dremling...

Rune
2013.01.02, 12:20 PM
Handles very well.
I used the exact same setup as with the R8, all down do the body clip.

A tad more turn-in than the R8, but no so blindingly quick with fast direction changes as the R8.

All in all, after two 8 min stints with both bodies, they were 0,02 seconds apart with best time. Mean time were also almost identical.

Must do some more testing before I really will consider this as a race body, but so far it looks extremely good.

I added a Reflex Racing wing to get the rear more planted, and it worked well as usual.

Rune
2013.01.03, 10:25 AM
Nice and dirty
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tcYKgS2s35s/UOWiAt0zyrI/AAAAAAAAErs/_ypxKVMU2p4/s827/IMAG1729.jpg
Really looking forward to the whitebodys and hopefully some lexan windows soon.

color01
2013.01.06, 03:35 AM
If it handles like the R8 then I think I'll start saving up for one, the front end looks like it's better equipped to deal with RCP rails. As for the rear fenders, I think we'll deal with it -- Hitting the rear fenders is far less common than hitting the fronts for the vast majority of us racers.

lfisminiz
2013.01.06, 08:15 PM
If it handles like the R8 then I think I'll start saving up for one, the front end looks like it's better equipped to deal with RCP rails. As for the rear fenders, I think we'll deal with it -- Hitting the rear fenders is far less common than hitting the fronts for the vast majority of us racers.

Totally agree. Looks like a real good race body
Rune...thanks for the pics.:)

unearthed name
2013.01.06, 09:30 PM
for the reflex racing wing, do you have to drill a hole in the body?

Rune
2013.01.07, 07:35 AM
Thanks:)
The body is awesome. Handling is very balanced and easy to drive.

As for the RR wing, you have to drill new holes. It is very easy to mount, and the height and angle is near perfect.

arch2b
2013.01.07, 07:41 AM
don't hesitate when the white bodies are released. they will go quickly. :p and who knows when another run will be made.

Rune
2013.02.11, 04:49 PM
Finally Whitebody :D


Click here for more pictures.
(http://www.mini-znorway.com/2013/02/ferrari-458-whitebody.html)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_MTRzAriJXY/URloTX90p5I/AAAAAAAAE60/o-e1eJHPiv4/s763/IMG_8727+-+Kopi.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4O_d5QFXkQw/URloT77mp0I/AAAAAAAAE68/dy-6dRbTfD8/s903/IMG_8745+-+Kopi.JPG

yasuji
2013.02.11, 09:44 PM
got the body for testing lest week... feels really good.. only change i made was to go to +2 front wheels
as far as lap times... was able to run laps@lap record pace... with minimal modifications i.e moving the un balanced body clip and mounting the pn racing wing! the over all feel was not much different from my full race mosler body ... all tho i did notice the body roll due to the weight up top and it drove heavier in the quick transitions as it is 5g heavier than my mosler but all in all it is a good candidate for my pick for this years KO PROPO GP!:D

chad508
2013.02.11, 10:30 PM
grant are you running +2 or +3 rear

lfisminiz
2013.02.11, 10:53 PM
Grant...just finished up my white body. Painted, trimmed, ready to go. You have trimming etc...to do. If you like it that much now...wait till you do it up.:)

yasuji
2013.02.11, 11:24 PM
grant are you running +2 or +3 rear

+3
Grant...just finished up my white body. Painted, trimmed, ready to go. You have trimming etc...to do. If you like it that much now...wait till you do it up.:)

i know for sure i will put in as much effort in to the body as i do for the mosler to get the weight down
but i am un sure if there is a need to cut out the back of this body.... i will build a few and go from there!:D

yasuji
2013.02.11, 11:46 PM
Really looking forward to the whitebodys and hopefully some lexan windows soon.

btw.... workin hard to get them out!
with a little help from our friends!;)

Rune
2013.02.12, 02:28 AM
+3
i know for sure i will put in as much effort in to the body as i do for the mosler to get the weight down
but i am un sure if there is a need to cut out the back of this body.... i will build a few and go from there!:D

The whitebody weighs 28 grams with R8 lexan window + all parts, so its a great start.

MXMRCR
2013.02.12, 04:02 AM
are the 458 white bodies available anywhere yet?, i got an MR-03 chassis itchin' for a new shell. :)

Rune
2013.02.17, 05:00 PM
Some jp shops had them for a day or so before they sold out. I think they will arrive elsewhere later this month.
Great racebody.

arch2b
2013.02.17, 05:23 PM
are the 458 white bodies available anywhere yet?, i got an MR-03 chassis itchin' for a new shell. :)

posted that info HERE (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38893)

yasuji
2013.02.17, 07:33 PM
for those of you who don't know already:D

lfisminiz
2013.02.17, 07:42 PM
for those of you who don't know already:D

Dont forget the tint....;):D

yasuji
2013.02.17, 08:12 PM
Dont forget the tint....;):D

window tint is illegal in california....hahaha

Felix2010
2013.02.17, 10:44 PM
New FHOF body for the A-MAIN Mod arena?

lfisminiz
2013.02.17, 10:46 PM
window tint is illegal in california....hahaha

:D:D:D:D don't make it to dark.;)

machgo5go
2013.02.17, 11:56 PM
:D:D:D:D don't make it to dark.;)
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh123/machgo5go/F458GT2Small_zps7050d3ce.jpg?t=1361162371
I love the Dark side!;)

briankstan
2013.02.18, 12:52 PM
With this body I TQ'ed and took 1st in the A-main for Super Stock 50T at the Ice Melter Race in Wyoming over the weekend. I was very happy with the performance. I was running +3 front and back on it and it was very agile and stable. Also put down the fastest lap in the class of 12.79 with it. :)

briankstan
2013.02.20, 10:04 AM
here is a picture of my 458. it's a red ASC with some painted accents etc.

http://www.saltlakemini-z.com/Wyoming2013/Ferrari_458_medium.jpg

lfisminiz
2013.02.20, 04:53 PM
Very nice and congrats! :)

Traveler
2013.02.20, 04:59 PM
Very nice indeed! (btw Is that a PN Lexan pan body in the photo?)

briankstan
2013.02.20, 06:22 PM
Very nice and congrats! :)

Very nice indeed! (btw Is that a PN Lexan pan body in the photo?)

thanks Guys, and yes it's a pn pan body.

Juggler
2013.03.03, 11:07 AM
Had my new Yellow 458 3 days ago...and...i just put aside all of my Mclarens,cause this "thing" drives by it's own...no need to say that i don't see me changing this body!Ultra stable and very smooth cornering!

Felix2010
2013.03.07, 12:25 PM
briankstan - that is an great looking Ferrari, the PN ultra-light dish wheels are perfect with the Red. The Red ASC looks beauty, something about a Red Ferrari.

This body looks beast. Nice & stable and totally Not for Stock. Doesn't sound like a wagon (smooth cornering); I am thinking this is very capable of upping my dangle.. :) "Drives itself" is good when pushing speed limits.

I like that this 458 has a little more rear bumper coverage too, than the Audi R8 I mean. I was(am) in the Enzo superfan club and to this day running an Enzo increases my ability to really wheel it. It's Ferrari.

Thanks for the info everyone, keep posting pics and race results & reviews with this shell please!:cool: TY

Juggler
2013.03.07, 06:20 PM
i'm gonna grab a white body...definately!

Sammich
2013.03.11, 09:38 AM
finally got my white body 458 to throw on the track..man...MAN this thing is so easy to put on the driving line, consistently. i swear i love the way this thing drives

Juggler
2013.03.11, 01:24 PM
finally got my white body 458 to throw on the track..man...MAN this thing is so easy to put on the driving line, consistently. i swear i love the way this thing drives

So...finally i'm not insane!!!
(Great body!)

Sammich
2013.03.11, 02:25 PM
So...finally i'm not insane!!!
(Great body!)

yea..i mean i'm usually a stickler for my HSV...but when i went back to my HSV..it was like my HSV drove like poo in comparison.

if i didnt damage my motor i would have set even better times yesterday. as it was my first time on this new layout.

arch2b
2013.03.23, 07:39 PM
anyone else have tire rubbing on the back cut in of the front wheel arch?

lfisminiz
2013.03.23, 09:58 PM
Ray, i dont think i have any rubbing at rear. Ill check if im running +3 or +2 on rear. Only thing i did was cut front splitter down. Only reason was i think the front sits a bit high. Alot of room in wheelwell above front tire. Looks much better now.

NoBrainer
2013.03.24, 09:17 AM
Yes, I had to file down the rear of the front arch to make the wheels not rubbing.

arch2b
2013.03.24, 09:28 AM
ok, good, glad to hear i am not the only one... looks beautiful though.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/968/medium/photo74.JPG

NoBrainer
2013.03.24, 09:31 AM
I run +3 offset and it works ok.
But I have not run it very much and just with a PN33T motor.
But I had some binding issues front and rear until I sanded down the spots you are refering to and much in the wheel well at the rear.

krazy_miniZ
2013.03.24, 01:23 PM
I got luck with mine. Just need light shaving in the rear. My freind wasnt as lucky as me. Had a lot of dremiling of rear flares. We run +3 in rear and I can fit +2.5 in front and on his +2 were tight.

We picked up a few white bodies to see if we can set up the side clips better. The 458 looks like a shark from the front when i look at it. very aggresive stylig. Also we don't true our tires so we have a lot of rubber on the rim.

On another note the r8 fits flush +3.8 in rear and +3.2 in front without dremil work. Might go a little less offset in front because if I scrape the side of rcp track it wants to climb the wall and put it on 2 wheels. The Audi looking at it looks like a streched out chop top vw super bug looking at it.

Juggler
2013.03.24, 03:44 PM
I guess i was lucky then...enough clearance for the wheels to turn properly.No rear end problems also!

color01
2013.03.25, 03:14 AM
So... I tried it... and then went back to my 599 for comparison.

Surprisingly, I don't like it. :confused: Yes, it turns in harder than the 599, but only a little bit, and I've got zero exit traction, the rear just diffs out and spins the inside rear tire all the way till I stop turning. I don't know if it's an aero thing, the rear bumper being a separate piece (and heavy), or just generally how the body is molded, but I wasn't able to go fast with it. My R8 is definitively faster, however it's now quite broken.

It liked climbing the walls, so I don't think I'll be getting it to race with. I am somewhat curious to see if someone will attempt the same aerodynamic mods as I have on my bodies onto the 458, I think it could be fast if you have a ball diff.

Sammich
2013.03.25, 08:32 AM
want to sell that white body for cheap? :D LOL

am i the only one that has cracked the front right below where the body clip sits?

chad508
2013.03.25, 09:53 AM
Grayson broke his in the same spot. And I believe a few others have mentioned it on F******k.

Sammich
2013.03.25, 10:02 AM
i was hoping it wasnt just me and Grayson..that makes me happy...proceed lol

Juggler
2013.03.25, 12:06 PM
am i the only one that has cracked the front right below where the body clip sits?

Sammich...no!Same for me!I glued it and it holds ok for now...Anyway i like this body and i'll stick to it for a long time.The R8 i agree that it is faster,but i like the 458 more.

Sammich
2013.03.26, 08:34 AM
Sammich...no!Same for me!I glued it and it holds ok for now...Anyway i like this body and i'll stick to it for a long time.The R8 i agree that it is faster,but i like the 458 more.

i think i'm going to epoxy mine

herman
2013.03.26, 10:43 AM
can somebody post pics of the damage? how come it's just in one particular spot?

cowboysir
2013.03.26, 11:33 AM
From what I've seen of some FB posts, the front splitter can crack at the front and split the "air intake" area at the bottom giving it a "smiley mouth".

Sammich
2013.03.26, 11:41 AM
i'll try to take one when i get home, i think it's just a bad spot to put the clip, even thought that's the only place to put it..but the area it's in, if you look, it's a thin area, so i dont think it takes much to destroy it. i mean i can pop it back and drive around w/o it popping out and what not, but i did tht once and well..now i ahve a crack around my headlight. so it's off the track until i solidify it

edit: took this from hrdvr's FB:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/164439_10151515295843464_410624443_n.jpg

Juggler
2013.03.26, 11:53 AM
Hmmm....i had two breaks in different spots...i'll post pics later!

Sammich
2013.03.26, 01:25 PM
Hmm...ok...because truthfully i dont remember hitting the wall straight on when that body broke at that spot, or showed itself broke at that spot, i remember sideswiping the wall pretty hard

arch2b
2013.03.26, 01:35 PM
eh, not the first one to suffer from structural weak points at the nose and won't be the last. especially with these getting thinner and thinner (as costs go up and up).

Sammich
2013.03.26, 01:57 PM
trying to decide if i should get another body and just lay a small layer of epoxy on it from the jump. i do love how it drives

Traveler
2013.03.26, 02:14 PM
Pedro, are you seeing this? You know what I'm thinking!

pedrocamp
2013.03.26, 03:30 PM
Yea, I'll draw something up when I get that body, looks like it needs more than flat plate.

Sammich
2013.03.26, 09:28 PM
yall thinking of reinforcing from the rear portion? or trimming the lip and adding a stronger diffuser

krazy_miniZ
2013.03.27, 01:24 AM
A fellow club member also cracked same smiley face into his 458.

No on selling the white body but nice try.

I think they getting thinner for lightness for more agility around track and speed and not the cost of the material getting to expensive for another gram or 2 of material.

458 for show
R8 for go

Maybe I might be willing to trade the 458 for a R8.

arch2b
2013.03.27, 07:31 AM
...I think they getting thinner for lightness for more agility around track and speed and not the cost of the material getting to expensive for another gram or 2 of material....
just pointing out that they are indeed reducing overall mass while increasing cost. 2+ grams per body on a 1000+/- unit production run adds up though and i'm sure every gram counts.

it's unfortunate that this body ends up being one of the brittle ones but i'm sure that will not stop most. there are many others that suffer the same structural deficiencies and people always find a way to make it work :p

i'm hoping i can get the weight down with the lexan window. right now the white body is 10+ grams heavier than my R8 with lexan window. i was hoping Atomic would release one before going with the PN offering.

Sammich
2013.03.27, 08:05 AM
i hope with this body being fragile they dont stop producing white bodies like they did w/ the R8s

arch2b
2013.03.27, 08:21 AM
off topic- i have not heard anything about ending production of the R8, where was that seen/reported? there have been licensing issues with certain models in the past. production runs in general have been getting smaller as the price increases have reduced sales. it's a vicious cycle where kyosho raises prices for whatever reasons (hinted at rising manufacturing costs) which reduce sales so manufactured numbers are reduced possibly raising manuf. costs per run as they are not spread over a larger number and it just continues to spiral... the facts are; 1. production runs have declined. 2. dealer costs have risen. the rest is conjecture, informed opinion, etc. :p

as i've mentioned elsewhere, if you see a body you want, buy it soon and if necessary, in duplicate. i like to buy white bodies in pairs for example. you simply never know when or if kyosho will ever do another run. i to am looking for another R8.

Sammich
2013.03.27, 08:58 AM
sorry for the bad wording, i think i did hear of them making R8s again, but they 'stopped' for a while...i do plan to buy AT LEAST one more 458 white body, maybe 2. waiting on my real car to make it out of the shop right now :(

chad508
2013.03.27, 09:52 AM
R8s are back in stock with pn

cowboysir
2013.04.21, 07:34 PM
So I decided to try one...no other changes to my chassis that had an Audi on it and my fastest lap improved 9/10th and my overall pace improved 5/10ths over race distance.

What an awesome body.

http://emob13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/CowboySiR/005-6_zps1a07744f.jpg

TheSteve
2013.04.21, 09:55 PM
And you looked good doing it!

Juggler
2013.04.22, 12:37 PM
So I decided to try one...no other changes to my chassis that had an Audi on it and my fastest lap improved 9/10th and my overall pace improved 5/10ths over race distance.

What an awesome body.

http://emob13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/CowboySiR/005-6_zps1a07744f.jpg

Very very very nice!
Such a beauty!

Felix2010
2013.04.23, 04:16 AM
Gorgeous GT2 Italia cowboy! Very cool:D

Kikerumbo
2014.01.30, 01:38 PM
Hi everyone.

First of all, please excuse me for my english and my uselessness trying to find the answer on the web.

I'm unable to find out if the Ferrari 458 Italia GT2 will fit onto an AWD chassis, but what I really need to know is if it will fit onto an Atomic AMZ chassis.

By the way, congratulations for those willing to personalize their "bodies". Good job!!!

Thanks in advance.

arch2b
2014.01.30, 02:30 PM
90% of all racer autoscales are interchangeable between MR-01, MR-015, MR-02, MR-03, MA-010, MA-015, MA-020. 86mm, 102mm and 106mm wheelbase autoscales will not fit Kyosho AWD chassis.

without having the AMZ chassis to confirm, if it fits on the AWD, it should fit on the AMZ unless there are chassis conflicts specific to the AMZ. may have to wait and see what the AMZ guys are using.

TheSteve
2014.01.30, 02:43 PM
The 458 needs trimming to fit an AWD with DWS suspension. So I suspect to fit the Atomic car it may need also need some trimming.

dameetz
2014.07.09, 12:43 PM
Do you guys trim the front lips of this body? I just started to use mine and its very low at the front, almost touches the ground in static standstill, i assumed it does touch the track when i m driving...maybe thats why i feel that this body has less steering than my r8 and Hsv.

lfisminiz
2014.07.09, 12:57 PM
One of them I lifted front a little with the PN front mount. The rest I trimmed the lip off.

dameetz
2014.07.09, 01:14 PM
One of them I lifted front a little with the PN front mount. The rest I trimmed the lip off.

Ok noted, thanks.....i ll trim it of bit by bit