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kot
2012.12.26, 03:14 AM
Automatically someone's saying "there's a thread for this already", but I'll think otherwise for the time being! So hear me out;

I've been 'collecting' (very skewed definition of collecting) mini-z bodies and happen to come across some /very/ rare gems. There's a market for bodies within the community, but what I was wondering was if there was a market for resin casts of old bodies?

There's plenty of re-releases, and people say "oh, Kyosho will release that body again", but from what I've seen, some bodies are in a completely different mold.

For example, there's a 1999-2000, 2002, 2003, 2005, and 2007 nsx, but not once have they re-released the first two (the latter three are more common). Another would be the Lancia Stratos; very similar, but the lights are different (closed and molded in vs opened, and fog light shapes differ.)

TLDR; I've got a 2002 NSX white body (similar to the mugen nsx) with parts on their branch:
(Not to be confused with a recent re-release of 2003 NSXs with roof scoops)
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k49/Flipsoulja/DSC05544.jpg

and a 2002 Supra white body (similar to the tokuhon supra) with parts on their branches:
(Not to be confused with the re-release of supras like the ADVAN supra)
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k49/Flipsoulja/IMG_4405.jpg

I've got a 1999-2000 nsx that will be in my hands shortly (the loctite nsx is the same model), which to my knowledge is the only JGTC NSX with fog light lenses.
http://i45.tinypic.com/ncftg.jpg

Depending on the feedback, I would consider casting each of them if there was a market for them.

I'm still learning the process of resin casting, but being in an Art & Design university has a plethora of perks (we have a prototyping machine that charges us a dollar every two minutes, but I probably won't be abusing it until I'm extremely confident with my CAD).

I've also been customizing bodies now and then, like the HKS altezza, ER32, ER33, and ER34 sedans, and many more. If there was a market for copies of these, I'd consider it too.

Thoughts? This could be a long term project which might benefit the collector with massive OCD.

arch2b
2012.12.26, 11:13 AM
i'm all for recasting bodies we haven't gotten in half a decade of more. think ford focus wrc ;) i don't think that was ever re-released after it's initial production run. there is the original r34 gt-r racer, the flat fenders made it less desirable than the later release 2003 version. even the daytona coupe, 250 gto, and of course pick any of the nissan z racers from 2004, 2005 and 2007. i don't count the amg clk as that got re-released at least twice.

especially as blanks. i've given up on finished autoscales due to cost. it's cheaper to buy blank and paint yourself.

DanDan
2012.12.26, 07:37 PM
If you can make the 2005 350Z, I'll order a bunch of them providing the cost is reasonable :)

HammondCheese
2012.12.26, 09:11 PM
i'm all for recasting bodies we haven't gotten in half a decade of more. think ford focus wrc ;) i don't think that was ever re-released after it's initial production run. there is the original r34 gt-r racer, the flat fenders made it less desirable than the later release 2003 version. even the daytona coupe, 250 gto, and of course pick any of the nissan z racers from 2004, 2005 and 2007. i don't count the amg clk as that got re-released at least twice.

especially as blanks. i've given up on finished autoscales due to cost. it's cheaper to buy blank and paint yourself.

I noticed the Focus wrc on the mini-z guide a while back. loved it and had an ebay search - had no idea how short a production run it had. Definitely explained my lack of success finding it. +1 for one of those and a white Astra.

The 350Z mentioned - is that the one thats meant to be a great 96mm conversion or was the JGCT the one I was meant to be looking for ? One of whichever one it is anyway and am I going nuts or has the short tailed Maclaren ceased production... :(

arch2b
2012.12.26, 10:03 PM
not the road 350z, the jgtc z (calsonic/motul/xanvi). i believe the 2005 is the preferred version in that line.

kot
2012.12.26, 10:52 PM
I've got a G'Zox 350z, the one with the black orange and chrome colour way. I assume that's the 2005 model?

I'm still gathering ideas, but in terms of casting bodies, is the clientele more for racers or collectors/modellers? Reason being is because some bodies I do have aren't in white body form, and not sure whether putting a finished autoscale out into little parts is worth the effort, or just a three piece cast (wing, windows, body with lights molded in) is good enough.

My collection is also limited (to JDM models) at the moment, but could be expanded depending on the supply/demand of these.

arch2b
2012.12.26, 11:04 PM
i wouldn't go trashing a low production autoscale for molds unless it's a beater already. they are simply to few in existence to justify ruining one.

i think the clientele will vary between the average mini-z owner, modeler and racer. each has their own reasons and needs which can be filled with reproductions of discontinued bodies.

i would love to get a full parts kit reproduction but would be just as happy with a couple part casting. transparent windows are the only real fine point for racers as most transponders are IR based.

optimaforever
2013.01.14, 03:35 PM
Interesting.
What´s the list of the non deco bodies you have?

kot
2013.01.17, 03:26 AM
Something I'll consider if I get really serious with this (wont be til mid-year) is the transparent windows but for the more racer-oriented autoscales.

@Optima, the /white/ bodies I have that are cleaned up/ untouched available are:
2002 Supra (like the Tokuhon Supra)
2002 NSX (like the #16 mugen, not g'zox mugen)
2001 NSX (like the Loctite / Castrol Mugen)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8388159171_60e84d5ef1_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/8388159171/)
2001 JGTC NSX white body (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/8388159171/) by kdeeela (http://www.flickr.com/people/kdeeela/), on Flickr

^ I separated this because the paint was already scuffed. Plus, I have no intention of reselling any of my originals, just possible resin casts.

I've only personally collected JDM autoscales, so my potential market isn't that vast. Only reason I have extras are because I do my own custom work to them. Some of the custom bodies I'm working on and wouldn't mind sharing in the future are:

I'm slowly learning the rapid prototyping system at my school. Once I know how the whole school system works, I might consider taking 3D renders at personal request (from Autodesk/CAD, Rhinoceros, etc). Someone else does rapid prototyping in the forum, so I'm not advertising this method.

kot
2013.09.25, 03:34 AM
Hey again!

So, well off into my second year studying Industrial Design, and I've just about got ideas as to what I might be able to do for some of you hobbyists out there. Realistically speaking, whats the community buying mini-z bodies for? Are many people into custom bodywork/painting, shelf-queens, drifting beaters or race bodies that aren't easy to come by anymore?

I have access to casting equipment and maybe we can make each other happy.

For selection so far, I've got:

Nissan KPGC-10 Skyline (Shakotan Boogie Jun's Silver)
Endless Hasemi Sport 350z (Red #3)
2003 JGTC 500 Skyline R34 (Motul, Calsonic)
2002 JGTC 500 NSX (mugen #16)
2002 JGTC 500 Supra (Tokuhon, Au Cerumo)
1999/2000 JGTC 500 NSX (Loctite / Castrol)
Toyota Altezza
z10 Soarer (shakotan Boogie)

I've only listed some bodies that I own but I believe these may turn a few heads. I'm tallying up what body people might consider buying, any takers? If a body comes up for more than 10 times, I'll consider resin casting it. If there's demand for a specific body, I may look into casting it (would like to borrow a body much more than to buy it. will also go forward with casting if others have an interest for it as well).

- if this comes up, i think i'd agree on borrowing the body to make a mold of, and in return i'll give body back + one resin cast, or something along those lines.


Pricing is yet to be established but the least I can say is that I'm located in Canada so shipping can be anywhere from $15+, not much if you buy more than one. Also depends on detail requested, either:
- a simple one piece cast (drift beater shell) or
- 3-5 piece (Body, Windows [clear for IR sensor], Spoiler) or
- 90% detail (^ plus mirrors, front/rear lights + buckets, extras)

I wish I had this opportunity years ago but I hope I could appeal to some of you!

arch2b
2013.09.25, 01:15 PM
i'd be very interested to see where the pricing lands for your 3 options.

fastmax
2013.09.25, 01:53 PM
Ditto! Very interested on price points for each.

kot
2013.09.27, 04:41 PM
I'm preparing parts trees and plans to execute the molding process for the KPGC-10 Hakosuka Skyline.
Planning to do a full parts run for it, likely with molded-in windows.

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Hopefully by the end of next week (friday) I can come up with some idea of pricing for you guys. Won't be attacking the mold until monday/tuesday.

Safe to say that the JGTC bodies will have a bit of a premium because more than likely these will be in demand for clear windows if they're race worthy. I will also determine body rigidity when I can cast the kpgc10.

Stay tuned! I'm excited.

kot
2013.10.08, 12:44 AM
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kot
2013.11.14, 01:17 PM
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2872/10857803743_3ed6c09b11_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/10857803743/)
Hakosuka Resin Cast (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/10857803743/) by kdeeela (http://www.flickr.com/people/kdeeela/), on Flickr

First cast ever. Aside from that missed area I think I nailed the mould. Gonna check in a couple hours how durable it is.

--- random idea, i think i'll make this my project beater hakosuka. rust and everything.

More updates later.

WorldClassZ
2013.11.14, 03:12 PM
I love those Hakosukas.

xX350zBoYXx
2013.11.20, 01:02 PM
Pricing on any of the old school skylines and especially on the Z10 Soarer would greatly be appreciated. I'd definitely want at least 2 of the Soarers if you'd make them. Be cool to have it as 2 pieces, one piece as the whole body and then the windows as separate pieces. Maybe even separate pieces for the headlights/tail lights too.

kot
2013.11.21, 05:08 AM
Hey! Been really busy with final projects, but thanks for sticking around :) I feel like I started off with such a weak approach, so think of this as more of an experimental thing for now and if you're interested in purchasing, read near the bottom.

@350zboy, the z10 will likely be second (or pushed to third) for casting, will consider doing the two part body + window, as well as accompanying parts and clips.


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/10975582133_48bd8449fe_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/10975582133/)
x (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/10975582133/) by kdeeela (http://www.flickr.com/people/kdeeela/), on Flickr

heres some kind of picture. :P Some bodies here will be casted, too.
Sorry for being text heavy, as I'm not always lurking.

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First off, process work!!
The first cast showed me how i should execute casting, and areas that need cleaning via inside the mould. Also messed with the pressure of clamping the pieces together, but practice makes perfect! The second cast was more successful, and upon observations:

> the negative holes in the white body used for attaching parts will need punching. I'm still thinking of the most cost effective way to cast small parts with plugs, but if I can't find a way around this then c'est la vie.
> there is some clean up / touching up required on the casts, though it isn't noticeable. it might just be the mould but will check the next cast when I have time.
> the first cast ran a little thin due to really tight clamping, but the second cast had more material, and was thus more durable. I did a "durability test" and the second does not have any cracks. This is going to be my personal practice with every upcoming cast to see if the thicknesses are acceptable and durable.

Having said that, I won't be able to cast the hakosukas with separate windows. HOWEVER, I do have access to cast in clear resin, as well as other dyes. I have yet to try the clear resin, and only hypothesize that it may be very slightly less resilient as the opaque ones I have casted so far. This is a possible alternative however, as it will save the weight from gluing parts and can probably be further reduced by dremeling the male/female plugs. All it takes is a bit of patience for masking windows.
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Temporary pricing for the Skyline casts will be $22 USD BEFORE SHIPPING for 1 resin cast body in your choice of dye (otherwise off-white is the main colour), and clear light lenses & parts. Buy more than one and I will be glad to work something out. Shipping is assumed to be $15 + not much more per body, but will follow up on it.

I am NOT selling any copies yet, nor taking preorders.

I'd like to stay away from any problems simply because I don't have the time for it.

I would like to do a tally to see how many I should expect to cast. This is to teach me how in demand this may be and to prepare for distribution beginning next year, along with experience to help make this process easier over time. If this is something you're interested in, message me privately or on here with requested quantity and any questions that I should address. I have done some transactions on here and more on another forum (mostly trading or buying), so if service/feedback is needed i'll redirect you appropriately to the other reference. Hopefully some reputable people can vouch for me :P

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Personally, I would recommend these for a show / drift body. I say this in the sense that bashing during racing may be a little extreme, and could only assume this would crack over constant stress.

More to come!

- p.s. what are your views on custom made parts? are you more DIY scratchbuilders or interested in casted parts?

xX350zBoYXx
2013.11.21, 11:40 AM
Hey! Been really busy with final projects, but thanks for sticking around :) I feel like I started off with such a weak approach, so think of this as more of an experimental thing for now and if you're interested in purchasing, read near the bottom.

@350zboy, the z10 will likely be second (or pushed to third) for casting, will consider doing the two part body + window, as well as accompanying parts and clips.


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/10975582133_48bd8449fe_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/10975582133/)
x (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/10975582133/) by kdeeela (http://www.flickr.com/people/kdeeela/), on Flickr

heres some kind of picture. :P Some bodies here will be casted, too.
Sorry for being text heavy, as I'm not always lurking.

--
First off, process work!!
The first cast showed me how i should execute casting, and areas that need cleaning via inside the mould. Also messed with the pressure of clamping the pieces together, but practice makes perfect! The second cast was more successful, and upon observations:

> the negative holes in the white body used for attaching parts will need punching. I'm still thinking of the most cost effective way to cast small parts with plugs, but if I can't find a way around this then c'est la vie.
> there is some clean up / touching up required on the casts, though it isn't noticeable. it might just be the mould but will check the next cast when I have time.
> the first cast ran a little thin due to really tight clamping, but the second cast had more material, and was thus more durable. I did a "durability test" and the second does not have any cracks. This is going to be my personal practice with every upcoming cast to see if the thicknesses are acceptable and durable.

Having said that, I won't be able to cast the hakosukas with separate windows. HOWEVER, I do have access to cast in clear resin, as well as other dyes. I have yet to try the clear resin, and only hypothesize that it may be very slightly less resilient as the opaque ones I have casted so far. This is a possible alternative however, as it will save the weight from gluing parts and can probably be further reduced by dremeling the male/female plugs. All it takes is a bit of patience for masking windows.
-----

Temporary pricing for the Skyline casts will be $22 USD BEFORE SHIPPING for 1 resin cast body in your choice of dye (otherwise off-white is the main colour), and clear light lenses & parts. Buy more than one and I will be glad to work something out. Shipping is assumed to be $15 + not much more per body, but will follow up on it.

I am NOT selling any copies yet, nor taking preorders.

I'd like to stay away from any problems simply because I don't have the time for it.

I would like to do a tally to see how many I should expect to cast. This is to teach me how in demand this may be and to prepare for distribution beginning next year, along with experience to help make this process easier over time. If this is something you're interested in, message me privately or on here with requested quantity and any questions that I should address. I have done some transactions on here and more on another forum (mostly trading or buying), so if service/feedback is needed i'll redirect you appropriately to the other reference. Hopefully some reputable people can vouch for me :P

---
Personally, I would recommend these for a show / drift body. I say this in the sense that bashing during racing may be a little extreme, and could only assume this would crack over constant stress.

More to come!

- p.s. what are your views on custom made parts? are you more DIY scratchbuilders or interested in casted parts?


I think the clear body could be a good alternative if the windows couldn't be a normal clear, installable window piece.

I'd definitely like the Soarers whenever you'd get to them maybe even a Hakosuka. Now I just need to finish my Miata project haha

As far as custom parts, generic fender flares could be a cool idea especially for a lot of the old school bodies. Cant really think of anything else at the moment.

Good luck with all of this, you'd definitely have a market for these bodies, especially with people like myself into drifting.

kot
2013.11.26, 02:52 AM
I managed to take out the clear cast that was sitting over the weekend.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3702/11063526463_f9137387e2_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/11063526463/)
photo (8) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kdeeela/11063526463/) by kdeeela (http://www.flickr.com/people/kdeeela/), on Flickr

The finish is pretty nice, pretty stiff (but I do still stand by thinking it's more brittle).
Masking the windows wouldn't be a problem, could even spray the windows in a clear tamiya blue.

I still have to make the parts for these :( No time!

NoBrainer
2013.11.26, 03:16 AM
looks cool.
Would be nice to see it with some paint to see how it ends up.

kot
2013.11.26, 03:53 AM
looks cool.
Would be nice to see it with some paint to see how it ends up.

Will do! Probably going to post one by the end of the week.

xX350zBoYXx
2014.05.07, 12:25 AM
Any updates on these? Wondering what the winter months have made you do, Kot haha

new2u
2014.12.17, 01:29 PM
Any news on this as that looks amazing !!!