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hrdrvr
2013.01.05, 08:04 PM
Some of y'all may have heard, LET's Go Racing is changing over to CRC carpet! We received the carpet this week, and will begin the construction of a sub-floor on Monday. In the mean time, we decided to lay it out to settle, and HAD to throw some walls on it to see how it drives. I am totally impressed. Here are a couple of pictures of my thrown together, make shift, temporary layout, as well as a video of my mod Mini Cooper. The Mini Cooper is running the same set up as I was running on RCP, except I went from an Atomic USA motor, to a PN43T, and changed out my 18mm rear wheels for 20mm.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-05_18-23-15_214.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-05_18-23-52_615.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-05_14-18-25_576.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rt2jH_pBzw&list=UUu2clqg7MY-TK-DB9x0HbaQ&index=1

More pictures to come as progress happens!

arch2b
2013.01.05, 08:17 PM
what will be your subfloor structure and what will you use to adhear the carpet to the subfloor and what is used at carpet seems? just curious as i have never installed roll carpet myself, just carpet tiles.

hrdrvr
2013.01.05, 09:15 PM
The sub-floor will be a double layer of 3/4" plywood with the joints staggered so that nothing lines up except the edges. I am prepared to carpet tape the whole thing down, but CRC recommends just taping the seems from the bottom with double sided tape, and taping the edges down with duct tape. I will cover the edge with a 4x4 to keep it looking clean. They also recommend that if you have to tape the seams on top, that you use gaffer's tape instead of duct tape, as it is textured and has grip. If the double sided tape is done right, I shouldn't have anything on top at the seams.

Traveler
2013.01.06, 01:06 AM
Very nice Landon. What tires were on that Mini? I'm definitely going to have to try this out!

Cherub1m
2013.01.06, 01:13 AM
Welcome to the carpet Landon. Carpet is just the best surface for the Miniz's.

color01
2013.01.06, 03:43 AM
Very nice. What's happening to the RCP track setup? If you're not going back to that, is it possible to put the carpet on elevation too? That would really make the track stand out. :)

Traveler
2013.01.06, 08:29 AM
Instead of elevations, I was thinking if the subfloor is built stiff enough, cables and pulleys could be used the change the pitch of the entire track! :cool:

mleemor60
2013.01.06, 09:36 AM
That sounds kind of "kinky"

Cherub1m
2013.01.06, 10:25 AM
Whatever design you make Landon, I am sure it will be top notch. Also thanks for the video. No way can a Mini Cooper run that fast on RCP without flipping.

Mike Keely
2013.01.06, 12:23 PM
Ask Maj in NJ what tape they use for the lexan windows. It is very sticky and made for carpet installations.

hrdrvr
2013.01.06, 01:37 PM
Very nice Landon. What tires were on that Mini? I'm definitely going to have to try this out!

Im running LM 20 fronts on the rear with 40 slick fronts on Mantis Group C front wheels. It's so awesome being able to run a real mod!


Welcome to the carpet Landon. Carpet is just the best surface for the Miniz's.

I guess we will know soon enough! :D


Very nice. What's happening to the RCP track setup? If you're not going back to that, is it possible to put the carpet on elevation too? That would really make the track stand out. :)

I will keep the RCP track, and all of the elevations. We can go back to RCP and elevations for special events whenever we want with very minimal effort. I am hoping we can run some bigger scales, and possibly some off-road vehicles on the track along with the Zs, so I'm not sure what will happen as far as elevated carpet goes. I am already working on a plan for how to do it though, so it is not out of the realm of possibility :D


Instead of elevations, I was thinking if the subfloor is built stiff enough, cables and pulleys could be used the change the pitch of the entire track! :cool:

I don't think the sub-floor will be that rigid. I am almost 100% sure my ceiling wont support the weight of it though! I think it would be cool to build the flooring some what flexible, then have cables in strategic locations to lift and lower certain sections giving a more fluid, subtle elevation change. It would be more realistic than what I've done in the past....just not as space efficient.


Whatever design you make Landon, I am sure it will be top notch. Also thanks for the video. No way can a Mini Cooper run that fast on RCP without flipping.

Thanks Philip. With an open canvas I think I will have some fun drawing up plans and laying down new tracks! I've already got layouts better than the ones posted! Stay tuned for more vids and pics ;)


Ask Maj in NJ what tape they use for the lexan windows. It is very sticky and made for carpet installations.

Thanks Mike. WE used to have a carpet track with foam walls. I found a great tape that worked really well. I found some it again, and will start with that. If I have any trouble with it, Ill see what Maj used.

Sammich
2013.01.06, 10:24 PM
as a newb to miniz racing i was skeptical, after 5 minutes of bashing, i love it

Daddy Rabbit
2013.01.07, 09:19 PM
Realy looks good, can't wait.

themelis factor
2013.01.08, 12:59 PM
Hi landon just curious to see what kind of tires you guys use on the crc carpet. I dont think its silicone tires work on it. let me know your thoughts.

hrdrvr
2013.01.08, 01:38 PM
Sammich, I'm glad you had a good time with it. I think with a proper layout, the fun factor will go WAY up!


Thanks dad! I hope to have some good pics today of the sub-floor. we are on to the full sheets, so it should start moving quicker soon. Right now we are putting in the loop for a possible future AMB timing system.


Johnny, Set up development hasn't really started yet, but initially the Kyosho tires I was running on the RCP worked the best. After the sub-floor gets done (tomorrow is my guess), then testing will move into a more aggressive phase. I'll keep every one here posted. "What tires" seems to be the big question so far :D

themelis factor
2013.01.08, 04:33 PM
Welcome to the carpet Landon. Carpet is just the best surface for the Miniz's.

You can't say that buddy it's just the easiest to set up and drive on. RCP is much more difficult to set up on but by far the fastest. I feel thats why everyone is going to carpet due to the setup factor. Anyone can put hard springs on the frontend and Win, TQ, break lap records the first time they run car. RCP you actually have to put some time on the track and work on the car;);)

Traveler
2013.01.10, 01:18 AM
I hope to have some good pics today of the sub-floor.

I assume you got the more permanent installation done?

Set up development hasn't really started yet, but initially the Kyosho tires I was running on the RCP worked the best. After the sub-floor gets done (tomorrow is my guess), then testing will move into a more aggressive phase. I'll keep every one here posted. "What tires" seems to be the big question so far :D

How did your Wednesday night racing go and what have you learned???

machgo5go
2013.01.10, 06:32 AM
You can't say that buddy it's just the easiest to set up and drive on. RCP is much more difficult to set up on but by far the fastest. I feel thats why everyone is going to carpet due to the setup factor. Anyone can put hard springs on the frontend and Win, TQ, break lap records the first time they run car. RCP you actually have to put some time on the track and work on the car;);) Pretty much well said since same opinion came from Kyosho's R&D personnel who I met at their home track in Japan in this past Summer : "My thinking is same as yours. Carpet is fine for beginner. RCP Urethan is good for expert. In Japan 50% carpet circuit and 50% RCP Urethan circuit."

Sammich
2013.01.10, 08:22 AM
cant wait to get back this weekend

Cherub1m
2013.01.10, 10:32 PM
You can't say that buddy it's just the easiest to set up and drive on. I agree.
RCP is much more difficult to set up on but by far the fastest. I agree, RCP is finicky.
Anyone can put hard springs on the front end and Win, TQ, break lap records the first time they run car. I disagree (you can do that because your an amazing driver:D)
RCP you actually have to put some time on the track and work on the car;);) I agree, RCP very finicky:D

Carpet is fine for beginner. RCP Urethan is good for expert. In Japan 50% carpet circuit and 50% RCP Urethan circuit." Beginner, Intermediate, expert...don't matter if you can set up a car and drive you will make any surface work. It's all about preference:D

hrdrvr
2013.01.18, 04:37 PM
Johnny, I do have to say that I agree with Philip after having some time on the carpet. Because a surface has higher traction doesn't necessarily make it better. The fact that is RCP is bumpy and inconsistent does make it harder to set up for, which IMO doesn't mean it is better. Actually I think it makes more sense to say the exact opposite. The other thing I don;t like about RCP is how you are held to certain types of corners, that are almost always the same distance apart (well some increment of 20" anyways). Ive been racing on RCP for about 7 years now, in a couple of different locations, but with pretty much the same space. I almost never see something new, which is why I built the elevations and such for our club. After 3-4 years racing on elevations, we've done pretty much everything we can do with those. With the carpet track, my lane width isn't set, my curve radius isn't set, and I could theoretically do a layout with no lanes perpendicular or parallel to each other. This freedom and variability will greatly enhance the racing enjoyment for our group. Also, on RCP there is the possibility of a bump every 20". I have two main seems and a couple of small ones on our new set up. The carpet is the same thickness at those seems, so there is repetitively no bump. It's nearly impossible to go 6' with our RCP without finding a joint with at least an 1/8" elevation change. That's over 2" at scale! These aren't rally cars :D

Either way, I think carpet or RCP is up to the gorup who is running. After a couple of short weeks, I think carpet is better, but I said the same thing 7 years ago when we went from carpet to RCP. The main differences from back then to now......I couldn't drive back then (not that I am that good now)....and we were using office carpet...not the real stuff.

On your tire question, I still haven't tried my old silicone carpet tires, as there hasn't been a need. The Kyosho tires and PN rubber tires are handling just as good as they did on RCP. I'm sure we will do more testing, but my RCP set ups seem to be nearly perfect for me on our new surface.

hrdrvr
2013.01.22, 01:25 PM
A bit late, but here are some good construction pics of the track.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-07_14-54-41_871.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-08_14-09-30_174.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-08_16-01-05_708-3.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-08_16-38-33_120.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-09_14-04-30_690.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-09_15-41-00_754.jpg

Daddy Rabbit
2013.01.22, 01:41 PM
It is great and going to be a lot of fun.:D
Come race with us everyone.:)

hrdrvr
2013.01.22, 01:44 PM
While I was letting the carpet settle, we made a couple of temporary layouts to try out the new surface.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-09_17-09-44_204-1.jpg

RCP walls weren't holding good enough alone (not ready to start putting screw holes in my new carpet), so we put some 4x4s down to help hold them in place.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-18_15-05-05_623.jpg

After running a bit on big lanes we decided to put down a tighter layout for the weekend. I set up a layout with two big straights, and very few parallel lanes to either of them. The flow of this layout was different than anything Ive ever driven on, and I just threw it together in short order.

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-19_14-20-15_927.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-19_14-20-59_482.jpg


Yesterday, I took that layout down, and taped the seems from the underside of the carpet. The seems are super smooth, and there is no need for tape on the top side of them any more.


http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-21_18-17-00_95.jpg

http://s671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/?action=view&current=2013-01-21_18-16-23_163.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-21_21-11-14_609.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-21_21-12-25_314.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-21_18-18-20_386.jpg

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv77/MBMZR/LETs%20Go%20Racing/2013-01-21_18-15-00_667.jpg

ScoobyPete
2013.01.22, 04:12 PM
Look fantastic wished I lived in Myrtle Beach.:)

Sammich
2013.01.22, 04:14 PM
i'm amped, cant wait until tomorrow

hatley
2013.01.27, 08:58 AM
Once again had a blast with the beach guys can't wait in till march to start the CC races still on the fench with the carpet track :o thanks to the Thompson family for making it happen

BJH44
2013.01.27, 12:44 PM
You can't say that buddy it's just the easiest to set up and drive on. RCP is much more difficult to set up on but by far the fastest. I feel thats why everyone is going to carpet due to the setup factor. Anyone can put hard springs on the frontend and Win, TQ, break lap records the first time they run car. RCP you actually have to put some time on the track and work on the car;);)

I have to disagree on this with u. ive only been racing mini z's for little over a year, but since going to the carpet, I can look back on some of the stuff ive learned from working on full scale cars, be cause the carpet reacts like a real racing surface. u can get the car to break lose in corners tht u need it to, and make it stick in corners tht u want it to. ur able to attack the corners with out the worry of flipping and in no rele racing situation will u flip a car because u push ur car to hard in the corner, maybe spin it out, but not flip, so I think since we have went to the carpets, its become more like ur really racing. and we are able to run just about any motor on it because of tht. with the rcp ever square is a different about of traction. weather is more or less. and in full scale racing ur never gonna have tht. jmo :)

DMALMAD
2013.01.27, 01:50 PM
I have to disagree on this with u. ive only been racing mini z's for little over a year, but since going to the carpet, I can look back on some of the stuff ive learned from working on full scale cars, be cause the carpet reacts like a real racing surface. u can get the car to break lose in corners tht u need it to, and make it stick in corners tht u want it to. ur able to attack the corners with out the worry of flipping and in no rele racing situation will u flip a car because u push ur car to hard in the corner, maybe spin it out, but not flip, so I think since we have went to the carpets, its become more like ur really racing. and we are able to run just about any motor on it because of tht. with the rcp ever square is a different about of traction. weather is more or less. and in full scale racing ur never gonna have tht. jmo :)

But you can't compare to full scale racing because of the scale speeds achieved with modified motors. If you had a real car that went proportionally as fast as a mini-z it would most likely flip, traction roll,and all the other bad characteristics of mini-z if you don't have it set up right. If you think about it a mini-z that goes 15 miles an hour is going +/- 400 scale miles. A mod class mini-z is probably going +/- 500 scale miles an hour. If a full size car were to go that fast into a corner like a mini-z on rcp it would most certainly flip. So therefore your argument of carpet being more scale and realistic is quite the opposite, carpet is unrealistic unless your mini-z is going 5 mph on carpet.

BJH44
2013.01.27, 04:13 PM
im saying it reacts more like a real car on the carpet....... not talking about the scale speed, I know if u scale the speed up tht its way up there. not talking about tht. im talking tht u can drive it like a real car....... had a event on it yesterday, and id say 9 out of 10 ppl liked it. and we had well over 10 so I think It was a good move for Lets Go racing. jmo

arch2b
2013.01.27, 05:02 PM
what really matters.... is everyone enjoying the track? if the answer is yes, the rest doesn't matter :p

hrdrvr
2013.01.27, 05:27 PM
But you can't compare to full scale racing because of the scale speeds achieved with modified motors. If you had a real car that went proportionally as fast as a mini-z it would most likely flip, traction roll,and all the other bad characteristics of mini-z if you don't have it set up right. If you think about it a mini-z that goes 15 miles an hour is going +/- 400 scale miles. A mod class mini-z is probably going +/- 500 scale miles an hour. If a full size car were to go that fast into a corner like a mini-z on rcp it would most certainly flip. So therefore your argument of carpet being more scale and realistic is quite the opposite, carpet is unrealistic unless your mini-z is going 5 mph on carpet.

If RCP was proper scale it would range from 12-18" wide, then we wouldn't be able to achieve those super high speeds, then maybe it might handle more "real". The reality is, we run faster cars on bigger tracks because no one would want to run on 12" wide lanes with 5 mph cars. I'm not going to go out there and say carpet is perfect and RCP is horrible. There are a lot of pros and cons to both. The inconsistency, lack of layout options (yes there are a LOT, but it is limited), unforgiving walls are the main reasons we are going away from RCP.

In the end (like I said before) each group needs to make their own decisions on what is best for them. I think we have made the right choice in going with the CRC carpet, and I am very happy that I decided to make the investment. We had our first event yesterday, and the support for the decision was overwhelming. It seemed like every one loved the layout (impossible to recreate with RCP), and really enjoyed how the cars reacted to the surface.


I do really like a good debate, and track surface is a good point to debate. I would just appreciate if we took the debate to a thread dedicated to such, instead of clogging up my "celebration of carpet" with such discussion. Thank you for finding (or making) a proper location for those talks to take place :D Basically, if you ain't got nothing nice to say.................well, just say it some where else :D

arch2b
2013.01.27, 05:41 PM
good general track surface discussion (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19871) ;) i would suggest the debate continue there perhaps :p

DMALMAD
2013.01.27, 07:28 PM
you are right, you have done great things for the mini-z community by changing your track to carpet and giving the choice. I would love to debate it but you are right, lets not taint this thread when it should be used to showcase a different option for mini-z racers.

yasuji
2013.01.28, 12:26 AM
hey.... inquiring minds wanna know.....what were the tire combos?:D

Traveler
2013.01.28, 06:05 AM
K20 radial rears. I ran K30 slick fronts, but some ran 40 slicks or radials. I didn't use any traction compound as I thought the traction was great. I would love to see your pan car flying around that layout. :D

Sammich
2013.01.28, 07:45 AM
i'm still on kyosho radial 20*R/40*F from the RCP layout..i just adjusted my suspension and diff to my liking and i love how it's driving right now

spdnutknapp
2013.01.28, 09:20 AM
I ran 20 rear slicks and 40 front slicks. I am not as good as many are at tunning. But i loved it. Don't want to run rcp any more. I will because that is what the local track is. Thank you landon and sara for another awsome event.

chad508
2013.01.28, 09:23 AM
Same with me 20radials out back and 40 radials up front. I did run pn 20 fronts that I had left over from the worlds and they worked great as well. I just didn't have any more to use so I stuck with the kyosho tires. I tried the pn 6 radials but they took a bit to warm up and grip, once they did they were fine for about 5 min then faded off. With the speeds we were doing the tires got hot

briankstan
2013.01.28, 10:09 AM
Landon, love the carpet layout and setup you have. I have some questions about the carpet itself. I've heard very good things about the CRC HD Carpet, but haven't run on it specifically. I Race weekly on a temporary indoor carpet track we have here for larger scales, mainly 18th, 12th, and 10th classes. we are using the "ozite" carpet and I'd have to say it's pretty brutal with the carpet fuzz and strings that wrap around axles and everything else it also gets inside bearings. Have you had any issued with that in regards to the CRC carpet?

I took my mini-z down and tried them on the carpet here but they didn't work well mainly because our track is anything but smooth, the carpet laid out on a gym floor and is rolled up one it's done, the little bumps created by rolling it up were just bouncing my light Mini-Z all over the place.

Looking at the pictures of the layouts, I can't wait to see some video of some of your races. Are you also racing 1/12 pan on those layouts? I'd like to see some videos of that as well. You built a CRC Xti how do you like it. I have a CRC X10 LE, that we run with 10.5 2 cell boosted. My car is amazing to drive. What's your experience?

Traveler
2013.01.28, 11:21 AM
I have some questions about the carpet itself. I've heard very good things about the CRC HD Carpet, but haven't run on it specifically. I Race weekly on a temporary indoor carpet track we have here for larger scales, mainly 18th, 12th, and 10th classes. we are using the "ozite" carpet and I'd have to say it's pretty brutal with the carpet fuzz and strings that wrap around axles and everything else it also gets inside bearings. Have you had any issued with that in regards to the CRC carpet?

This was my first time running Mini-Zs on carpet, but compared to Landon's RCP, my cars stayed way clearner on this carpet track. If they pickup up anything, it was a couple of super thin fibers (smaller than human hair) on the screw heads that hold the PN CF bottom plate on. These in no way affected performance. The CRC carpet was nothing like you describe above. I also picked up some tire dust on the inside of the wheel wells, but much less than I do on RCP tracks. I also believe tire life is much better on CRC HD than RCP. I used the same tires for practice all day Friday and practice and racing all day Saturday, over 20 hours in total.

Sammich
2013.01.28, 11:31 AM
Landon, love the carpet layout and setup you have. I have some questions about the carpet itself. I've heard very good things about the CRC HD Carpet, but haven't run on it specifically. I Race weekly on a temporary indoor carpet track we have here for larger scales, mainly 18th, 12th, and 10th classes. we are using the "ozite" carpet and I'd have to say it's pretty brutal with the carpet fuzz and strings that wrap around axles and everything else it also gets inside bearings. Have you had any issued with that in regards to the CRC carpet?

I took my mini-z down and tried them on the carpet here but they didn't work well mainly because our track is anything but smooth, the carpet laid out on a gym floor and is rolled up one it's done, the little bumps created by rolling it up were just bouncing my light Mini-Z all over the place.

Looking at the pictures of the layouts, I can't wait to see some video of some of your races. Are you also racing 1/12 pan on those layouts? I'd like to see some videos of that as well. You built a CRC Xti how do you like it. I have a CRC X10 LE, that we run with 10.5 2 cell boosted. My car is amazing to drive. What's your experience?

when we first started running on it, i guess the newness, it ended up having tons of carpet 'fibers' on our cars, but it has lessened a whole lot since. i dont feel the need to blow my car off after every run now. landon mentioned that the more it's run on the less we will have all of those fibers on it, and i can tell that this is true.

i and one other person had one abnormally long strand of, whatever material that was on our vehicles, but other than that, it's been much cleaner than the RCP

briankstan
2013.01.28, 12:23 PM
good info thanks guys. It sounds to be much better than the carpet we have. From what I have read the CRC HD carpet is the "IT" carpet to have if your racing carpet at any scale. I've priced it and getting it here wouldn't be cost effective for what we do, but maybe one day we'll have a full time dedicated carpet track to call home.

hrdrvr
2013.01.28, 06:02 PM
you are right, you have done great things for the mini-z community by changing your track to carpet and giving the choice. I would love to debate it but you are right, lets not taint this thread when it should be used to showcase a different option for mini-z racers.

I hope I didn't give you the wrong impression...that I didn't want your input specifically. I just wanted to get the topic steering back into the right direction :D


hey.... inquiring minds wanna know.....what were the tire combos?:D

I ran K20/40 along with the majority. I did run a little compound (SXT 3.0) on the rears and had good luck with that. It didn't add any grip to the radial tires, but as the radial wore off, it would bring it back to "new" grip levels. I ran one set of Kyosho 20 radial rears from Friday nights practice session, all the way through the weekend. I ran the one set of tires on one car, in two classes (PN pan car and 350Z/Mosler swapped between races), so it got a lot of run time. You can still see some radial at the edge of the tire. I would typically use 3-4 sets for that amount of run time on RCP (at an event where I want maximum performance).

I did run one car with PN6s (Traveler's car), and it felt good. It was even better once he switched to K20s though. I never tried any traction compound on the PN rubber.


.... I would love to see your pan car flying around that layout. :D

You didn't like seeing mine fly around? :p

I ran 20 rear slicks and 40 front slicks. I am not as good as many are at tunning. But i loved it. Don't want to run rcp any more. I will because that is what the local track is. Thank you landon and sara for another awsome event.

Thanks for the positive feedback Terry! Glad you enjoyed it.


we are using the "ozite" carpet and I'd have to say it's pretty brutal with the carpet fuzz and strings that wrap around axles and everything else it also gets inside bearings. Have you had any issued with that in regards to the CRC carpet?

I ran Zs on ozite once before, and the fuzz was a bit of a problem. That is one of the big improvements of this over ozite, is the lack of fuzz. They use a better backing which holds up better (doesn't let the fibers lose as easily), and what seems to be a slightly tighter weave. I was told that what little fuzz we get now, will wear down as we run in the track. If we use traction compound it will help that happen even faster. As for now, the longest "threads" Ive seen were about 1" long. That's not really long enough to wrap around anything.

I took my mini-z down and tried them on the carpet here but they didn't work well mainly because our track is anything but smooth, the carpet laid out on a gym floor and is rolled up one it's done, the little bumps created by rolling it up were just bouncing my light Mini-Z all over the place.

I have had my carpet sitting out for a couple of weeks now, so it is pretty settled. The few wrinkles that are left don't seem to bother the cars, except for when they are right at the apex. I am surprised because when we first set it up, it was pretty bumpy, and the cars absorbed it very well. Of course our old RCP track was very bumpy, and we demanded a bunch from our suspension on the elevations we used to run. Maybe our cars/drivers are already tuned for dealing with that, so we don't notice it much.

Looking at the pictures of the layouts, I can't wait to see some video of some of your races. Are you also racing 1/12 pan on those layouts? I'd like to see some videos of that as well. You built a CRC Xti how do you like it. I have a CRC X10 LE, that we run with 10.5 2 cell boosted. My car is amazing to drive. What's your experience?

If you look back at post #24, there is actually a 1/10 TC in that pic. I ran my 1/12 pan car on that layout, and the one I have down now (already changed form the event layout). I am running a 21.5 BL motor, and it's the right speed for the track. It is a little tight, and while I can wheel around it quickly and comfortably, it would be tough with 4-5 cars on the track at the same time...especially if they are inexperienced. I bought the CRC car with intent of running it on here, but I think it is too small. I had a couple of guys running 1/16 Traxxas vehicles yesterday. We started out with 2 and an RC18SCT, and ended up with 3 Traxxas, and 2 RC18Bs at the same time. I have some jumps I put out, and that was a freakin' blast!!! I've never raced off-road, but that had be itching to try it out. I think I'll stick with Zs for on-road, and 1/18-16 cars for off-road.

I love the CRC car. It is a very quality kit for an awesome price. I'd like to get/see one of the AE RC12R5 as it is similarly priced, but I can't see it being better. CRC has some very cool design innovations on this car, that I really like. The standard features are integrated into the design very well. I love simplistic, efficient design, and this car has it. As far as the drive, a lot of people say it is an edgy car. On the lower speeds and tighter corners on our current track, it is perfect for me. I can't wait to get to a dedicated 1/12-10 track to see how well it really does!


i and one other person had one abnormally long strand of, whatever material that was on our vehicles, but other than that, it's been much cleaner than the RCP

I didn't see what you pulled off, but if you are referring to the long strand John got on his car, that was actually from the carpet tape that I was originally using to hold down the walls.

Sammich
2013.01.28, 08:50 PM
it was like the first week you laid it down, brandon had a strand, but i dont think anyone has since then. it's super clean now, like you said it would

herman
2013.01.29, 02:55 AM
greetings... nice to see your transition to carpet...

was wondering what material your side walls are made of... reason i ask is i have a suggestion... last time i was in h.k. their side walls were foam (kinda like rcp) but they stuck velcro (the hook part, not the furry part) on the side wall facing the tracks... seems to work as they just glance off the walls...

pic for reference...
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19418&d=1140763522

from this (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20945&highlight=r%2Fc+heaven+part)thread...

hope this helps... :D

SAGISI
2013.01.29, 03:53 PM
Any videos?

DMALMAD
2013.01.29, 05:32 PM
if you go onto YouTube and go to atomic's channel they have multiple videos of mini-Zs running on that carpet if i am not mistaken. Their YouTube name is egrracing. I think they only have videos of their mini z buggy on road conversion cars running on video though.

herman
2013.01.29, 09:04 PM
Any videos?
er that pic was taken sometime in 2006 at egr racing in h.k. (man i feel old) where ad band cars was the 'in' thing at the time... i don't recall taking any videos... :D
i haven't checked, but yeah maybe you might find some videos on youtube... egr racing as dmalmad mentioned... :D

Traveler
2013.01.30, 04:20 AM
I think Sagisi is wanting to see video of cars running on LGR's New Carpet, the subject of this thread ;)

Unfortunately Landon didn't record any of the races on Saturday, but there is a short vid below the pictures in post #1 above of Landon's Mini Cooper running on a temporary layout before the subfloor went in. Enjoy!

herman
2013.01.30, 04:26 AM
doh... yeah... that is right... :D

SaiTam
2013.01.30, 02:42 PM
Have you guys tried the AWD on this carpet? AWD is awesome on carpet.

Sammich
2013.01.30, 03:58 PM
only reason i was going to buy the AWD that landon had on consignment was just to have the AE86 body, i didnt want it for any other reason..with that said, i dont think anyone has

BJH44
2013.01.31, 08:12 PM
Have you guys tried the AWD on this carpet? AWD is awesome on carpet.

they ran one the Friday b4 the event, and it seemed to run pretty well, but now one has took the big step to race one yet. but I think with a lil tuneing u could get one to go pretty well.

hrdrvr
2013.02.06, 12:36 PM
was wondering what material your side walls are made of... reason i ask is i have a suggestion... last time i was in h.k. their side walls were foam (kinda like rcp) but they stuck velcro (the hook part, not the furry part) on the side wall facing the tracks... seems to work as they just glance off the walls...

Right now, I don't want to permanently attach anything to the carpet. I am still in search of the right wall system for us, but it needs to be soft enough for MiniZs, yet big enough to keep 1/18-1/16 trucks and buggy form climbing over the walls. Currently, I'm using 4x4 lumber (heavy enough and tall enough to contain the off-road vehicles) lined with RCP rails to protect the Zs. I've looked into the EVA foam like what a lot of Asian/Euro tracks use, and really think it looks cool. If the off-road stuff doesn't take, Ill likely end up using something like that for the Zs.


Any videos?

Not yet Ryan. I wanted to get some at our club night last week, but for got. I will try really hard to remember to get some tonight!


Have you guys tried the AWD on this carpet? AWD is awesome on carpet.

I ran one last week before the event. It wouldn't traction roll or anything, but with the grip levels we have, the 2wd was still faster. I could hear his AWD binding up and losing a bit of power in the corners, so maybe something a little more refined will do better. I raced AWD only for my first 2 years with Zs, so I am game to try and get one worked out. I ordered a SAS and IAS for mine, and will begin building and testing soon.

Traveler
2013.02.06, 01:16 PM
I will try really hard to... get some tonight!

Say what? (in a Tone-Loc voice)

I could hear his AWD binding up and losing a bit of power in the corners, so maybe something a little more refined will do better.

Now I'm unrefined??? :rolleyes:

hrdrvr
2013.02.06, 02:55 PM
lol, and ...eh, may...be. You are a pretty refined guy Marwan....but your AWD needs work :D Maybe with Pedro on your side, and some time Friday night, we can refine it some for you :D