X power : Mrx carbon chassis

[machgo5go]

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Next Level into TC Territory!

[dameetz]

Very nice cars....are those foam tyres? You are running them on carpet track?

[herman]

I believe that if bought as a kit, the mrx comes with foam tires. Alternatively, Xpower also sells foam tires separately.

RCPHK the home track of xpower and the mrx in hk exclusively runs foams only on a rcp track. I've seen them run on the track and they're pretty fast, I was told that they (foams) last much longer than rubber tires.

[DMALMAD]

Where we run in NJ we run on carpet and they don't last that long. They last maybe one race night.

[herman]

Hmmm... interesting...

[tommy_greeneyes]

Rear foam tires probably two race nights.but with the front tires we glue the front side wall and you may get one night out of them.don't forget we cut the tires on the tire tour.we have a pretty fast group of racers.they always find the edge to go faster.but the x power foams are the best:cool:

[herman]

Maybe carpet track is more abrasive than rcp? Guys at the RCPHK track mention that foams last a whole lot longer than rubber tires, and run more consistent compared to rubber.

[DMALMAD]

yes they are definitely more consistent but are they using traction compound. We run traction compound and the grip levels are pretty high so that could also be a factor. I think that the carpet is less abrasive but we run a mod class with lipos so the tires take a beating. Different groups have different levels of useable tire wear. While they could probably last much longer, at the level of competition it is almost necceasry to have a new set for each race some racers use multiple sets if they have the wallet for it:rolleyes:

[herman]

I doubt they are using any traction compound as I believe it will ruin their rcp track... Here's an article on their track ---> RCPHK (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39863&highlight=RCPHK)

Will see if I can post some vids... I believe one of the reasons they put up their own track was that the 2 existing tracks in Hong Kong didn't allow the use of foam tires...

[machgo5go]

Can you imagine what a "Palm" sized touring car look like? It is going to have majority of the unique features of an ordinary 1/10 touring car including:

1. "Belt" transmission system
2. Four wheels drive
3. Carbon plates chassis
4. Four independent damper suspension
5. Easily adjustable camber,
toe in/out and all other fine tuning features
6. Lipo powered
7. Use of Lexan shell

The most important thing is we are going to make it compatible to existing Mini-z ASF radio control system with customised designed Electronic Speed Controller, Servo and Receiver. Of course, you can use your own favourable brand radio control system if you wish. The ultimate objective of us is to let you playing this "Palm" sized touring car as if you were playing your 1/10 one.

Stay close to X-Power, more news will be released soon.

[doug01n]

I will keep an eye at this one... Here comes the competition to AMZ...

[cowboysir]

Can you imagine what a "Palm" sized touring car look like? It is going to have majority of the unique features of an ordinary 1/10 touring car including:

1. "Belt" transmission system
2. Four wheels drive
3. Carbon plates chassis
4. Four independent damper suspension
5. Easily adjustable camber,
toe in/out and all other fine tuning features
6. Lipo powered
7. Use of Lexan shell

The most important thing is we are going to make it compatible to existing Mini-z ASF radio control system with customised designed Electronic Speed Controller, Servo and Receiver. Of course, you can use your own favourable brand radio control system if you wish. The ultimate objective of us is to let you playing this "Palm" sized touring car as if you were playing your 1/10 one.

Stay close to X-Power, more news will be released soon.

That's all well and good but the trick is to make it affordable. I don't see how you can make it any more than a unique niche car if it's retail is in the $700 range. I love micro scale (like everyone on this site) but I really don't think it's a feasible project if it's not affordable....

Edit:
I know I'm likely being premature in putting some imaginary price tag on this but viewing the history of X-Power gives me an expectation of the cost.

[imxlr8ed]

I was interested in this chassis when it was first released but the second I realized that you had to essentially "halve" an MR03, I lost interest.

Many carbon chassis have come and go throughout the years and this one is probably the best because it utilizes one of the major features of a Mini-Z... the steering and front suspension system. Other than that, IMO... it's an old school Pro Z.

As far as belt drives go... every shaft drive touring car I have ever owned was way more efficient than it's belt drive counterpart. They also ran much truer and straighter. Don't believe me, go and compare yourself.

If Kyosho ever centralizes the drivetrain on their AWD chassis with a brushless motor, and integrates a snap-in Lipo saddle pack into a new design... that'll be about as advanced as one can get. The AMZ was a huge step but from what I have seen and heard, the quality issues keep many of them in the box until the real racing is done.

If everyone in my club was running the same chassis and pushing for the win everytime they got on the track I would probably be singing a different tune but realistically the dollar factor would more than likely keep me out of it.

[Tapir]

Nice to have options on what kind of car you want but....
I have yet to see a carbon chassis car beeing faster than a regular well buildt MR-03.
Also the extreme guys I race with have tried and tried but always find the MR-03 much faster and consistent.

Anyone ever seen a MRX or AMZ beeing quicker around a RCP track than a 03?

[tommy_greeneyes]

Nice to have options on what kind of car you want but....
I have yet to see a carbon chassis car beeing faster than a regular well buildt MR-03.
Also the extreme guys I race with have tried and tried but always find the MR-03 much faster and consistent.

Anyone ever seen a MRX or AMZ beeing quicker around a RCP track than a 03?


how are you buddy I can tell you by far I've only raced 2 times on RCP with my MRX car. and done very well with it.I normally race on carpet.I really don't know what you using in your 03 (motor).or who you saw race there MRX car at. An MRX car will blow out a MR-03 even with a 32 turn motor.you gotta remember this car runs off the lipo that is 7.4 to your 4.8 nickel metal batteries.I don't even bring out my 03 out anymore.the new technology is coming out for mini Z's the same way did 1/10 and 1/12 scale cars.and as for the AMZ car.I like that car better than my X power car. I guess it really comes down to how good the driver is on set up the car.:D

[DMALMAD]

Nice to have options on what kind of car you want but....
I have yet to see a carbon chassis car beeing faster than a regular well buildt MR-03.
Also the extreme guys I race with have tried and tried but always find the MR-03 much faster and consistent.

Anyone ever seen a MRX or AMZ beeing quicker around a RCP track than a 03?

It isn't really fair to say you haven't seen an mrx go faster than an 03 because you cant compare between drivers and it requires a very advanced understanding of setup and modification to get it right. Let me be clear and say that is is a very finicky car and if not properly set up the results are disastrous as i have found out. Yet the quantitate data from our local track supports the mrx being much faster. Having everyone go from running std 03 to mrx everyone saw a performance enhancement. The MRX lowers the cg and centralizes the weight because the batteries are lighter and is a million times more durable compared to a plastic chassis so unless you personally have driven it, tuned it, and understand how to make it work and put the proper time and money into it you cannot say that an 03 is faster. At Majs hobby shop in NJ everyone went from running a FULL blown 03 with double aarm and al pods with every hop up to running the mrx. You can watch the videos online and a month or two after we switched locations everyone switched and there was a noticable increase in pace. If you don't believe me you can check out the videos on youtube so that you can see an MRX outpacing a fully optioned MR-03. Currently only one person drives a std 03 and that car is about 2 seconds slower per lap than everyone else. While most of it is due to driver I personally drove his car (which is fully optioned) 1 a second slower than my personal pace.

Before:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UV5MBEGosw&index=83&list=UUwhQwkEtlBvFjIRRM3vTo-g

After (a race that I win, i am the green car): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEHKcjwe3k&list=UUwhQwkEtlBvFjIRRM3vTo-g&index=22

You tell me what is faster......

PS: And in regard to rcp we have had racers from our club who aren't usual race winners go to rcp tracks and be much faster than regular 03's. If we switched to a dedicated rcp track the results would be the same as with anything, time and tuning is all that is necessary. Personally I went to an rcp and did not have a lot of success mostly due to lack of setup experience on rcp and the wrong amount of power for such a small low traction track but was still able to put down some very impressive hot laps on 35% throttle so....

[imxlr8ed]

It's not about speed anyways in my book. More about fun.

My biggest issue with this chassis is that it is for all intents and purposes... an 03. It just has an extensive rear suspension, lipo conversion, motor mount installed to it. :D

Now if it is way easier to run from "baseline", and holds that tune after a bunch of track time, then I say it's a huge step up. But if I have to true and glue tires constantly and make sure every little thing is perfect with the setup more intensively than an 03... then why bother?

If I were to compare Maj's crew to most other clubs out there, the level of driver skill and technical mastery is obviously unsurpassed. And if we all had the opportunity to race there every week, we all would eventually get to that level if we are that competitive. Someone figures out a faster way and we would all follow eventually.

Our club is laid back and more about just having fun. Yeah we are competitive but there is no nuclear arms race going on just to keep up with the herd.

Each club to their own, that is what keeps it all evolving!

[DMALMAD]

It's not about speed anyways in my book. More about fun.

My biggest issue with this chassis is that it is for all intents and purposes... an 03. It just has an extensive rear suspension, lipo conversion, motor mount installed to it. :D

Now if it is way easier to run from "baseline", and holds that tune after a bunch of track time, then I say it's a huge step up. But if I have to true and glue tires constantly and make sure every little thing is perfect with the setup more intensively than an 03... then why bother?

If I were to compare Maj's crew to most other clubs out there, the level of driver skill and technical mastery is obviously unsurpassed. And if we all had the opportunity to race there every week, we all would eventually get to that level if we are that competitive. Someone figures out a faster way and we would all follow eventually.

Our club is laid back and more about just having fun. Yeah we are competitive but there is no nuclear arms race going on just to keep up with the herd.

Each club to their own, that is what keeps it all evolving!

I agree with you every club does what they want and has their own goals and outlooks. But all I am saying is in the end it is faster and does better times with more durability. I am not arguing wether everyone should get one because like you said it is not for everyone but it isn't fair to say that an 03 is just as good. In reality the AMZ is actually better for the price it is about the same pace but 300 dollars less when you look at the total price breakdown. But with all that said the tuning and extracting every last drop of performance out of the car is most of the fun for me so gluing tires after every 10 min run and tweaking the setup is actually the fun part. So in regards to the car itself it isn't the biggest breakthrough but it gets the car one step closer to a 1/12th scale. And with the new atomic independent 2wd, the pn chassis and the new x-power chassis only time will what is the best on the track and on the wallet.

[imxlr8ed]

I have no doubt that any chassis chosen at Maj's will be pushed to it's limits. I actually was surprised that the AMZ didn't take hold there with the carpet track (no pun intended). I figured that it would've just made sense there more than anywhere else.

Looking forward to more innovation to come!

[ianc]

But all I am saying is in the end it is faster and does better times with more durability.

Looks like a nice car. If only it weren't so stupidly, absurdly expensive...

ianc

[ruf993]

Man I hear my name alot over here... hehehe :p:D

In the end if anyone who wants to put in the time to prefect there skills in the miniZ racing. They can make a wooden brick on 4 wheels be the next best thing just as long all there race buddies feel the same. :p:cool:

"I race toy cars every Friday night with my family racers win or lose we all have fun":D

[imxlr8ed]

Yep, but I have to point out that you are actually running little high speed carbon fiber chassis'd rockets as opposed to little plastic toy cars lately. :D

[machgo5go]

Yep, but I have to point out that you are actually running little high speed carbon fiber chassis'd rockets as opposed to little plastic toy cars lately. :D
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Actually tonight we ran two classes of our usual high speed carbon fiber chassis'd rockets AND little plastic toy cars in slower pace of PN50T/9 Pinion with Nimh batteries that was just back down to basic to have fun!:D

[ruf993]

Yep, but I have to point out that you are actually running little high speed carbon fiber chassis'd rockets as opposed to little plastic toy cars lately. :D

What are you trying to point out. What dose a CF chassis has to do with going fast. Where was the cry for the love of plastics when people where putting $100+ alum A-arm front suspension that made a game changer in the miniZ racing.

In the end CF or not it is still fun little toy cars that people like to do for fun with there racing buddy's. ...;):cool:

[imxlr8ed]

What are you trying to point out. What dose a CF chassis has to do with going fast. Where was the cry for the love of plastics when people where putting $100+ alum A-arm front suspension that made a game changer in the miniZ racing.

In the end CF or not it is still fun little toy cars that people like to do for fun with there racing buddy's. ...;):cool:

To me, it's just too much to spend on an individual car. It goes from a hobby to a big investment real fast. But that is always what happens in any sport or hobby... the go big or go home mentality gets ingrained into it and eventually it seems to be more like a chore after a while.

Basically...
I am just floored by the amount of crew you have and they are all that well invested into it that they all run the configurations they do! Probably the only club in the States at that level!

[cowboysir]

What are you trying to point out. What dose a CF chassis has to do with going fast. Where was the cry for the love of plastics when people where putting $100+ alum A-arm front suspension that made a game changer in the miniZ racing. :cool:

The point is not about"the love of plastic"so much as its pointing out that your arms race for the fastest chassis has got you believing that you need to spend close to$700 to be competitive. It's great that you're having fun racing with your buddies but in my view I could race miniz and 1/10th and still have money left over to take the wife out to dinner after racing.

Ed and I just want to point that out for people reading this that think they absolutely "need to keep up with The Jones'" When the reality is that spending a fortune isn't needed.

[tommy_greeneyes]

The point is not about"the love of plastic"so much as its pointing out that your arms race for the fastest chassis has got you believing that you need to spend close to$700 to be competitive. It's great that you're having fun racing with your buddies but in my view I could race miniz and 1/10th and still have money left over to take the wife out to dinner after racing.

Ed and I just want to point that out for people reading this that think they absolutely "need to keep up with The Jones'" When the reality is that spending a fortune isn't needed.

wow I gotta tell you.no way in heck I didn't spend no $700 on new car.I bought the XPower kit.which is $180.00. already had a front end.and rear motor pod. And a MR-03 board.the only difference between the stock setup and the MRX setup is lipo batterys.7.4

don't get me wrong I'm all into running a class that's about having fun.I have raced all type of race cars in my life.from H.O., 1/ 12 scale. go karts,open wheel midgets ,NASCAR asphalt modified,to racing a late model stock car.and I can tell you you're always going to put money in your car no matter what.thats why its called a hobby.
all these vendors are making new cars out there and products.and as us hobby fan where can always buy those parts.

I'll be honest with all you guys stop bashing the sport.we just need to support mini-z racing. To get new people in or the sport will die !!!

[Slubben]

Gentlemen please remember that we are racing "toys" and that each person takes something different away from the hobby. Some people are happy with running the basics while others like to push the envelope. In my opinion, and we all know what they say about opinions, it's the people who push the envelope who advance the sport and grow the sport and everyone should should be happy about this. If you are looking for a scape goat to blame for the recent lack of love for "plastic racing" blame Kyosho America (they have basically made it diffcult for people who have been racing Zs for years to continue unless you go VE) unless of course there is an underlying issue going on here that isn't really related to the racing per say and is a more personal nature :confused:

[ruf993]

The point is not about"the love of plastic"so much as its pointing out that your arms race for the fastest chassis has got you believing that you need to spend close to$700 to be competitive. It's great that you're having fun racing with your buddies but in my view I could race miniz and 1/10th and still have money left over to take the wife out to dinner after racing.

Ed and I just want to point that out for people reading this that think they absolutely "need to keep up with The Jones'" When the reality is that spending a fortune isn't needed.

I think you guys are missing the point. I do agree miniZ racing has come to almost or close to big 1/10 scale cost. But CF chassis was not the start of that. I believe it's the lipos are what bring the cf chassis movement. Before you guys start ranting on lipos being the cost guzzler. Let me enlighten you guys. Now this is base on what I've seen in the past 7 years racing at my shop. The fast guys are fast cause they are always looking to make there cars go faster. When AAAs was in the mix guys who wanted to keep up with the jones was spending $500-$800 on chargers,matchers,discharges,& high end AAAs. Then would be buying few sets of new AAA every other month just to keep them fresh. Now with lipos I have $50 lipo changer 2-3 sets up lipo batt at $18 each and $170 cf chassi just for fitment convince. I know there is a thread about the AAA madness around here so let's not try to reinvent it. The OP was just trying to show just a few of his xpower cars.

[ruf993]

Basically...
I am just floored by the amount of crew you have and they are all that well invested into it that they all run the configurations they do! Probably the only club in the States at that level!

Hmmm! Thanks for the complement !?!? :p;):D

[tommy_greeneyes]

I think you guys are missing the point. I do agree miniZ racing has come to almost or close to big 1/10 scale cost. But CF chassis was not the start of that. I believe it's the lipos are what bring the cf chassis movement. Before you guys start ranting on lipos being the cost guzzler. Let me enlighten you guys. Now this is base on what I've seen in the past 7 years racing at my shop. The fast guys are fast cause they are always looking to make there cars go faster. When AAAs was in the mix guys who wanted to keep up with the jones was spending $500-$800 on chargers,matchers,discharges,& high end AAAs. Then would be buying few sets of new AAA every other month just to keep them fresh. Now with lipos I have $50 lipo changer 2-3 sets up lipo batt at $18 each and $170 cf chassi just for fitment convince. I know there is a thread about the AAA madness around here so let's not try to reinvent it. The OP was just trying to show just a few of his xpower cars.


well said Maj.

[DMALMAD]

I also want to add that as for the extreme costs:eek: you guys are pointing out for 180 dollars you basically get a double aarm, a set of batteries, and a cf chassis. Not to mention the million hex screws you get. So for the price if you look at it as a total package it is actually saving money compared to a pn double aarm nimh car. And btw nobody is saying that this is the car to get, just that it works for us.

[jdmgoodies]

couple comments i have to make price isnt super bad but its not great im still getting into mini-z's and 2 things bother me about it 1 it looks like putting regular hard plastic mini-z bodies on it would be difficult and 2 installation of the chassis seems sorta a pain in the if ur not familar with the car or mechanicly inclined other then that it looks alright im sure it took some time to engineer and iron out some of the bugs but most likely due to the fact that it looks like it would be difficult to install the autoscales on it and assembling it would be more of a pain in the ass then working on a hpi baja 5 or a tc4 i think im gonna pass

[DMALMAD]

couple comments i have to make price isnt super bad but its not great im still getting into mini-z's and 2 things bother me about it 1 it looks like putting regular hard plastic mini-z bodies on it would be difficult and 2 installation of the chassis seems sorta a pain in the ass if ur not familar with the car or mechanicly inclined other then that it looks alright im sure it took some time to engineer and iron out some of the bugs but most likely due to the fact that it looks like it would be difficult to install the autoscales on it and assembling it would be more of a pain in the ass then working on a hpi baja 5 or a tc4 i think im gonna pass

Autoscales/Hardbodies fit without any modification. One of the main design features initially.

[jdmgoodies]

good to know wonder if i could send in my chassis and have them assemble it for cheap

[ruf993]

good to know wonder if i could send in my chassis and have them assemble it for cheap

where are you located?

[jdmgoodies]

arizona mesa

[ruf993]

arizona mesa

Xpower is in Hong Kong so i think it's not going to be cost effective for you to ship it there.

Here at Maj's Hobby Shop can sell you and swap your board to the xpower chassi.

give them a call if you are interested...

[machgo5go]

Can you imagine what a "Palm" sized touring car look like? It is going to have majority of the unique features of an ordinary 1/10 touring car including:

1. "Belt" transmission system
2. Four wheels drive
3. Carbon plates chassis
4. Four independent damper suspension
5. Easily adjustable camber,
toe in/out and all other fine tuning features
6. Lipo powered
7. Use of Lexan shell

The most important thing is we are going to make it compatible to existing Mini-z ASF radio control system with customised designed Electronic Speed Controller, Servo and Receiver. Of course, you can use your own favourable brand radio control system if you wish. The ultimate objective of us is to let you playing this "Palm" sized touring car as if you were playing your 1/10 one.

Stay close to X-Power, more news will be released soon.
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"ESC is going to support both sensored and sensorless brushless motors. The size of this sensored ESC and sensored motor are the smallest in the world as far as we aware. Thus, all those functions raise like drag break, boost and turbo will be available."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMJONAUp7eM
Awaits now for it's World Debut!

[Slubben]

Can't wait. When is release date?

[dameetz]

SENSORED esc.....awesome!!!

[arch2b]

can we break out the TC so it's not taking over the MRX thread ;)

[cowboysir]

Please do start a X power TC thread. ... I've got a few questions about its YouTube promo vid.