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machgo5go
2014.12.24, 08:27 PM
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Can you imagine what a "Palm" sized touring car look like? It is going to have majority of the unique features of an ordinary 1/10 touring car including:

1. "Belt" transmission system
2. Four wheels drive
3. Carbon plates chassis
4. Four independent damper suspension
5. Easily adjustable camber,
toe in/out and all other fine tuning features
6. Lipo powered
7. Use of Lexan shell

The most important thing is we are going to make it compatible to existing Mini-z ASF radio control system with customised designed Electronic Speed Controller, Servo and Receiver. Of course, you can use your own favourable brand radio control system if you wish. The ultimate objective of us is to let you playing this "Palm" sized touring car as if you were playing your 1/10 one. ESC is going to support both sensored and sensorless brushless motors. The size of this sensored ESC and sensored motor are the smallest in the world as far as we aware. Thus, all those functions raise like drag break, boost and turbo will be available.

Stay close to X-Power, more news will be released soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMJONAUp7eM

AFMiniz
2014.12.25, 07:03 AM
My first impression is this car has extremely low CG, the issue of easily traction roll for this kind of small sized car should be resolved.

dameetz
2014.12.25, 11:06 AM
Awesome....I ll get one once it available if the price is reasonable.

jdmgoodies
2014.12.25, 11:20 AM
looks better then micro rs4 and the xray altough xray is 1/18

Mikotka
2014.12.25, 11:40 AM
We are waiting for the price, hope to availability. Great job guys, cool car!

jdmgoodies
2014.12.25, 04:23 PM
if this can fit autoscales on it and has diff wheelbases the ill buy 4 right meow... shut up and take my money...

arch2b
2014.12.25, 04:47 PM
No autoscales = not interested. This suits the lexan crowd fine but I got into mini-z for the autoscales, not pursuit of speed. Looks cool though and love to see innovation moving forward.

machgo5go
2014.12.26, 05:54 AM
We are waiting for the price, hope to availability. Great job guys, cool car!
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/l/t1.0-9/10888904_918317748180426_2087858430036411938_n.jpg ?oh=6fb9eadab63ee54efcd3f9aa952ee9f6&oe=55444264
Their Teaser is gone wild!

mleemor60
2014.12.26, 07:43 AM
I have a great deal more curiosity about the pictured radio than I do the newest bottomless pit.

TheSteve
2014.12.26, 02:17 PM
I have a great deal more curiosity about the pictured radio than I do the newest bottomless pit.

Radio looks like a Futaba 4PX.

cowboysir
2014.12.26, 06:45 PM
Now that i see it in relation to something else (Futaba Radio) I think you may want to reconsider your sizing/scale...to me it looks way bigger than what could be considered 1/27. By servo size/position, battery capacity and sizing and general visual comparison to the Radio itself I'd peg it at close to 1/24.

I'm not saying thats a bad thing btw...it'd be cool to convert any number of 1/24th scale plastic model bodies to fit that chassis and if the wheel configuration is the same as an MA020 you'd have any number of offset choices to make the wheels look flush to the body.

In testing I am wondering how smooth the drivetrain stays...my thought is that a belt system would be much more likely to get gummed up by RCP dust and tire debris and then require much more setup/cleaning than your average racer is keen for.

In watching the youtube clip it does seem to perform very similar to a 1/10TC as in appears to be very full throttle/tons of drag brake-off throttle type of driving. Have you compared its roll to a standard AWD or MR03 and attempted to tune for faster corner speed?

Finally, I will say its a very fine looking micro-TC...very reminicient of an XrayT2/T3 layout. I will stay tuned for updates on responses on testing.

DMALMAD
2014.12.27, 09:32 PM
It appears to use the same lexan body as we use on the regular 03 I think that they just pasted the picture of the radio and of the car together at different sizes.

machgo5go
2014.12.28, 08:04 AM
https://rcphk.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/img_0531.jpg?w=604&h=453
https://rcphk.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/img_0535.jpg?w=604&h=453
https://rcphk.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/img_0540.jpg?w=300&h=225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3laZ79sC4AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X90h6kKeR0

mleemor60
2014.12.28, 09:11 AM
A side by side visual comparison with the MRX would be nice. Just for scale.

machgo5go
2014.12.28, 09:55 AM
We are waiting for the price, hope to availability. Great job guys, cool car!
RCPHK from their knowledge, it should be release sometime next month.:D

jdmgoodies
2014.12.28, 11:01 AM
holy S#$% that looks like a sensored brushsless motor too
some videos i found of it online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X90h6kKeR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3laZ79sC4AI

DMALMAD
2014.12.28, 03:28 PM
Yup they say it will be sensored

Skv012a
2014.12.28, 03:33 PM
No autoscales = not interested. This suits the lexan crowd fine but I got into mini-z for the autoscales, not pursuit of speed. Looks cool though and love to see innovation moving forward.

Good ways of getting us Z-heads into something new in our odd scale is ability to recycle parts and keep the bodies, so agreed. Wonder who'd bite on a brand new scale when 1/16 is small and popular enough.

arch2b
2014.12.28, 10:00 PM
oh, there are plenty of people that would love to see mini-z devolve or evolve, depending on how you look at it, into scaled down version of similar larger scale lexan car series that they already have experience with. i'm happy to see people have more options though. not my cup of tea but certainly has it's place for sure. :cool:

Slubben
2014.12.29, 12:15 PM
Can not wait for this car to be released. Would like to know an estimate of the price so I could be first in line to purchase but, I'm interested regardless. I think MRX products will revitalize 1/27th scale racing which has been slowly dying for a while now IMO.

dwight
2014.12.29, 12:34 PM
I just need to know when will it be available.

byebye
2014.12.29, 12:41 PM
I don't want to drift off topic but until a new chassis is faster in slower hands than the fastest guy with an old chassis they won't thrive.

Kyosho has a great formula already and it's hard to beat. In fact they are slowly adding all the things we think we need to go faster without making what we already have obsolete.

I welcome new chassis and have made purchases but I still go back to my tried and true.

tommy_greeneyes
2014.12.29, 06:50 PM
I think this is a nice looking car little bit too busy for me.

Everyone's gonna have their opinion about it.you may like it but you might hate it.there's always going to be new technology coming in for mini Z scale.you may want to run auto scale or you may run lexan body.But It come down to our race group of how the classes coming down.

but the biggest question is.what are we doing to attract newcomers and other racers from bigger scales to come race mini z. Lets keep our hobby going. think we need to start getting big races together like it used to be.this is supposed to be a great hobby and fun:D

machgo5go
2014.12.31, 09:50 AM
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golgi
2014.12.31, 10:38 AM
:eek: Of course this is happening now that I just ordered an Atomic AMZ! Oh well, I guess I'll just have to this one too.

machgo5go
2014.12.31, 10:50 AM
http://www.x-powerrc.com/ufiles/XP-IDT-SPORTS.jpg
http://www.x-powerrc.com/ufiles/XP-IDT-ULTRA-FRONT.jpg
http://www.x-powerrc.com/ufiles/XP-IDT-ULTRA_WB1.jpg
http://www x-powerrc com/product_detail php?id=618 (http://www x-powerrc com/product_detail.php?id=618)

jdmgoodies
2014.12.31, 08:26 PM
xpowwer idt 439 bucks usd ill pass

http://www.x-powerrc com/product_detail.php?id=618

DMALMAD
2014.12.31, 11:05 PM
If you think about it... it is actually cheaper than putting together a fully upgraded 03. It saves money in batteries since you don't have to buy and replace 5-10 packs of nimh batteries. It saves money on tuning parts as camber, toe, ride height, droop, preload, springs, and any other option is easily adjustable. A brand new ve is 230 usd plus 120 pn dbl a arm plus 40 for a v4 lcg pod plus 20 for pinions and spurs plus 35 for a ball diff plus 10 for different springs plus 12 for a metal servo gear (absolutely neccesary) plus rims and nimh chargers and dischargers (vs just a single lipo charger). I figure the savings of a regular 03 or ve over 120 dollars (in my case it would probably be more as before lipo came about I had 300 dollars invested in batteries alone). Basically you get THE complete package for less. Personally I will get it as soon as it gets out and based on the videos I have seen It has more potential than the MRX and that was a huge advantage. I would have even considered buying this at 700 dollars but at 440 it is a steal when you consider the cost of building a 10th scale tc.

arch2b
2015.01.01, 07:52 AM
1/24 scale based on the website description. entirely new class/scale.

the price doesn't scare me either considering you get the full option car minus sensored motor. i personally don't spend that much on my car setups but i know MANY that do. the full options MRX is more than this kit.

mleemor60
2015.01.01, 08:09 AM
Good catch R. It looked like an awful lot to package(that cleanly) on a 1/27th chassis. Still. It will open some doors for the speed freaks to come and play. Once there are enough of them out there for their own class. We need to embrace the technology and try to make a home for them since they appear to be a well thought out "crossover" vehicle that can build it's own foundation on carpet and still be useable(with de-tuning) on the standard RCP layout's that we run on.

Great job X-Power!

jdmgoodies
2015.01.01, 09:15 AM
2 prices on website 1 is 439 other is 578

arch2b
2015.01.01, 10:14 AM
yes, two different kits.

Product No.
XP-IDT-ULTRA
Compatible Brand
X-POWER
Price
USD 578.00
Model Name
X-POWER IDT ULTRA
Quantity

Description
1. Dual Belt Transmission System
2. Four wheels drive
3. Carbon Fibre chassis
4. Carbon Fibre Upper Deck
5. Sensorless/Senseored ESC
6. LED Program Card
7. Sensored Brushless 5600KV Motor
8. Metal Gear Digital Servo
9. Four independent damper suspension
10. Easily adjustable camber,
toe in/out and all other fine tuning features
11. Li-Po battery (produced by third party manufacturer)
12. Clear Lexan shell
13. Gogolab receiver (produced by third party manufacturer)


Product No.
XP-IDT-SPORT
Compatible Brand
X-POWER
Price
USD 439.00
Model Name
X-POWER IDT SPORT
Quantity

Description
1. Dual Belt Transmission System
2. Four wheels drive
3. Carbon Fibre chassis
4. Carbon Fibre Upper Deck
5. Sensorless/Senseored ESC
6. Sensorless Brushless 6000KV Motor
7. Metal Gear Digital Servo
8. Four independent damper suspension
9. Easily adjustable camber,
toe in/out and all other fine tuning features
10. Li-Po battery (produced by third party manufacturer)
11. Clear Lexan shell
12. Gogolab receiver (produced by third party manufacturer)

machgo5go
2015.01.01, 10:46 AM
yes, two different kits.
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10419537_923004721045062_281387115439889431_n.jpg? oh=1ba7e0ad630ad22447ed11efa921e2d9&oe=55389ADB
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10888428_923008121044722_8805101083991948054_n.jpg ?oh=fcb89a9e68dc486024bd896eca76d68e&oe=5539795F

AFMiniz
2015.01.03, 09:31 PM
One more difference, ultra version is free shopping.

AFMiniz
2015.01.04, 09:28 AM
34461

Received from a friend.

AFMiniz
2015.01.04, 09:31 AM
Last picture is IDT compared with iphone 6, my friend sent me one more to compare with AWD

34462

mleemor60
2015.01.04, 10:36 AM
From the last photo it is pretty clear that the wheelbase of the new chassis is likely 8mm longer than the Mini-Z. Pretty easy to hide with a lexan body since you can move the wheel openings to where you want them within reason and 4mm per end is easily in reason.

All in all a viable platform to possibly include in the fold but not mix with the true 1/27th scale. Beyond the shadow of doubt a lot of users spend prohibitively on the basic Mini-Z taking it way beyond what is needed or necessary for competition at most any sensible level. The price point to just get in the door with this platform will probably relegate it to novelty or speed freak cult groups with too much disposable income.

It is a beautiful piece of work and I take my hat off to X-Power for bringing it to market. X Power has come out with a beautiful line of chassis and durability products for the Z. I think the MRX is a work of art and should be pigeon holed into Mini-Z racing as a true modified platform but this new hybrid monstrosity should be kept separate. If Atomic can produce a 1/27th scale AWD platform that utilizes parts from their AWD line then a company with the expertise that X-Power has shown should be able to as well. That aside why bother? Let X-Power keep the RWD market and Atomic keep the AWD. It makes user choice easier as well with only two options instead of four. That way the market doesn't dilute itself to the point that neither makes any profit and development stops.

All of this is just my personal opinion but at a time that we as mini-Z racers are trying to find a way to create growth for the scale the burgeoning number of items being released is further factioning the scale as a whole.

Nuff said.

arch2b
2015.01.04, 11:25 AM
judging by the comparison picture, i would think Mike is right. if they can squeeze it under a long wheelbase body, it may sneak in to existing classes. what is the track width? otherwise, different scale = new class. there are many clubs globally that already run aftermarket chassis classes as a standard and i'm sure this will fit right into programs like these. for more traditional club classes, it's a niche scale and likely just as hard to integrate as the buggy without having to jump ship in scale. great looking kit, no doubt. trouble will be, where to find a home for it in programs that are already struggling for participation and time and will it bump out 1/27 classes? given the overall cost being almost entirely up front vs. on the back end upgrades, it could have the potential to replace 1/27 classes in some clubs.

lets face it though, it doesn't have to be a sales success in the NA market if it does well in it's home market. as long as they have support from the target consumer, they will keep it active regardless of how it does in other markets. educated guess here but i doubt the NA market is key or crucial in any way to the product launch anyway.

machgo5go
2015.01.04, 11:36 AM
20mm longer wheelbase?
Curious to see a complete car with wheels together with a MR-03.

Both with and without body. Also pictures from top and front/ rear.

Looks to be a separate class car since it is that much bigger but maybe some more pictures can confirm something else?
http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34462&d=1420385462
That MA-020 is seems to be set at 94 mm wheel base
The IDT is set at 98 mm wheel base as like our MRX chassis so seems not true comparison.

mleemor60
2015.01.04, 12:06 PM
Not sure I am in agreement with your last comparison. it appears that the MA-020 chassis being used for comparison has some sort of X-Power chassis appendage installed on the rear.. I would like to see a comparison with a 98mm 03 chassis lined up evenly wheel to mounted wheel with either end of the X chassis. Then we can truly see any potential difference. Until then it is all sleight of hand. Just an illusion.

yasuji
2015.01.04, 12:19 PM
Looks to me there is at least a 10mm difference:rolleyes:..

DMALMAD
2015.01.04, 06:11 PM
The width appears to be the same and the wheelbase looks to me about 100 mm but this is all speculation. I am preordering a kit and as soon as I get it will provide detailed comparison with the mrx and provide the specs. Regardless of what the specs are it uses the same lexan body that we use with the mrx so the wheelbase couldn't be that different.

huge
2015.01.05, 09:49 AM
Wheelbase is 114mm
Width front is 76
Width rear is 78

arch2b
2015.01.05, 09:55 AM
that's the thing with lexan touring cars, you can cut the wheel openings anywhere so you can cheat (play with) with the wheelbase easily. visual comparison can be deceptive as a result. it may use the same body but actually be vary different, as the just posted numbers suggest.

huge, what are these measurements based on or how were they taken?

Tapir
2015.01.05, 12:57 PM
Almost Mini-Z Buggy size then (115mm wb), allthough narrower.:eek:
I hope the width on 76mm includes wheels?

J-Milz
2015.01.05, 02:06 PM
My, look how the mini have grown! All grown up.

machgo5go
2015.01.05, 05:22 PM
Wheelbase is 114mm
Width front is 76
Width rear is 78
Like to know where this wheelbase no. information came from since it does not seem to be correct?
114 mm seems to be way too long but will know in few weeks when our 1st. batch orders comes in.

tommy_greeneyes
2015.01.05, 06:34 PM
I think this car is going to be the same wheelbase as a mini z.I wouldn't talk Bad about this car until it comes out. I just wouldn't open up a canna worms until the product is out in the public.:rolleyes:

mleemor60
2015.01.05, 06:45 PM
Why doesn't somebody that might be interested in this platform contact X-Power and ask them? They have a thread on this forum. So far there hasn't been anything derogatory said of the concept except it isn't in the mini-Z class of 1/27th scale. From the photo's I have seen it does appear to be a great deal larger and probably in the 300gr or more range for weight.

Let's get X-Power to post some specs for the car.Real hard numbers for comparison with the MRX and the various other platforms it is supposed to be similar to.

arch2b
2015.01.05, 07:05 PM
they have not been responsive of late :confused: see the questions posted regarding motors...

i don't think anyone is talking bad about the car... just theorizing on scale, etc.

huge
2015.01.05, 11:45 PM
the info regarding wheelbase is direct from x power,
i was wondering if a miniz body would fit, so asked them via email.

"Dear Mr xxxxxxx,

XP-IDT-SPORT wheelbase is 11.4cm ,front wide 7.6cm,rear wide 7.8cm.

Thank you

Best Regards,"

i asked if it was reconfigurable to fit a mini z body

"Dear Mr xxxxxxx,

This is not a MINI Z, is another series of indoor rc. Played this IDT will be another you do not want to leave the indoor yard.

Thank you

Best Regards,"

mleemor60
2015.01.06, 06:19 AM
Good job. This will be a viable support race vehicle for large carpet events where the Z's are competing. OR. A lead class for the speed cult's that want to run the Z's as the support group with the existing MRX and Atomic offering as all out modified platforms for two different classes to bridge the gap. Something for everybody. Could be a win,win deal if handled correctly.

egonzalez
2015.01.06, 06:05 PM
We don't have to compare the IDT to miniz or MRX because it's entirely different scale. The scale size alone should indicate that the car will be bigger then the 1/27 scale that we are used to racing. Most tracks that race 1/27 should be able to race 1/24. Miniz has lost a lot steam and I think it stems from not conforming or adapting to newer technologies. Lipo and brushless motors have been around for 10+ years and it feels like we just started adapting these technologies to this scale. I have been running MRX with lipo batteries and brushed motors because the lack of drag brakes on the board. IDT solves this isssue and gets us one step closer to technologies used in larger scales. Maybe in the future we will have options on different speedo, servo, radio, sensored motors, etc. (open electronics) :)

DMALMAD
2015.01.06, 07:12 PM
If a couple of guys from each club get a chassis and race it as a class of its own on the side and then take it to the local 1/10 tc track and show off all the bells and whistles it has then we could pull all the 10 and 12th scale onroad outdoor guys that don't have anything to race over the winter. If they get invested into the idt than its only a little convincing for them to get involved in the regular mini z classes. I hope that sometime soon the big tc manufacturers realize the practically wide open market and develop some other chassis and electronics because the way x-power has handled the idt I would much rather race any other chassis than it but sadly there is not another chassis like it with sensored.

Not to get off topic but if you are considering this car DO NOT by the sensorless sport version as sensored is really the only valuable thing this car brings to the table. I am behind the chassis idea but the marketing and poor management of the release by xpower has left a sour taste in my mouth. Xpower came out with a great thing but killed a lot of interest by the price of the thing. That being said I will still get it but at a cost that I don't thin is reasonable. I ran the 03ve mrx for a while and thought that I was doing good with it but after the steering blew up on it and I went back to brushed I realized how uncontrollable the sensorless is. I picked up 2 tenths and a whole lot more consistency by switching back to brushed and what that made me really realize is that we cannot have new racers buying sensorless ve systems (the exception being that new atomic esc) and racing them because they are on/off switches that are hard to handle and are not smooth. So basically this way off topic ramble is basically saying sensored is necessary or not at all and that someone needs to step up (cough cough PN) and make something at a reasonable price that will get both newbs and 10th scale hardcore racers in to the mini z clubs and tracks.

(Steps down from the soap box) Just my two cents and I will report back when my chassis comes in to see if it was all worth it

machgo5go
2015.01.06, 08:02 PM
the info regarding wheelbase is direct from x power,
i was wondering if a miniz body would fit, so asked them via email.

"Dear Mr xxxxxxx,

XP-IDT-SPORT wheelbase is 11.4cm ,front wide 7.6cm,rear wide 7.8cm.

Thank you

Best Regards,"

i asked if it was reconfigurable to fit a mini z body

"Dear Mr xxxxxxx,

This is not a MINI Z, is another series of indoor rc. Played this IDT will be another you do not want to leave the indoor yard.

Thank you

Best Regards,"
https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10906463_926979720647562_4948859579146061589_n.jpg ?oh=e74f96df385c82e845e4afb50f17e54e&oe=552E5B7B
Even spec at 114 mm, it is not so HUGE! ;-)
Now i have the itch to slap an ASC on once this chassis is perfected in future.

huge
2015.01.07, 09:41 AM
If you ask specifically if a MiniZ body would fit and their answer ist no,
it has a reason to be.
Why didnt they put the R8 Body over the IDT?

mleemor60
2015.01.07, 11:07 AM
Gotta love forced perspective photography. All in all it looks like a great platform. I just can't figure out why someone be it X-Power or a zealous racer that wants it to be mini Z size just didn't come out from the get go and say we created something new in a slightly different scale. Hope you enjoy it. Instead we seem to be taking sides either pro or con on something that we won't likely invest in.

Again I say make a home for it for what it is and that isn't a mini-Z.

cowboysir
2015.01.07, 11:40 AM
Gotta love forced perspective photography. All in all it looks like a great platform. I just can't figure out why someone be it X-Power or a zealous racer that wants it to be mini Z size just didn't come out from the get go and say we created something new in a slightly different scale. Hope you enjoy it. Instead we seem to be taking sides either pro or con on something that we won't likely invest in.

Again I say make a home for it for what it is and that isn't a mini-Z.

Well said.....500-ish makes me unlikely to take the plunge. Cool chassis but unlessi could convince the rest of our club to drop $500-ish as well the wouldn't be much point

TheSteve
2015.01.07, 12:57 PM
Well said.....500-ish makes me unlikely to take the plunge. Cool chassis but unlessi could convince the rest of our club to drop $500-ish as well the wouldn't be much point

I thought you were buying them for us.

tommy_greeneyes
2015.01.07, 01:21 PM
I look forward to seeing this car run at our club.:D.even though I have A AMZ car.I still may get one of these XPower cars anyway for $250.00 and then put my own electronics in.Honestly this is supposed to be a fun hobby.If your going worry about how many millimeters is this you should STOP.not complaining about the f1 Mini Z.but isn't that a little bit longer also.we never complain of what we run 98mm,96mmor 94mm.This is always going to be a fun hobby and you're always going to put money into it.there's always going to be new technology come in.

stop discriminating on a car that you're not giving it a chance just because the millimeters ...

now that there's a nice aftermarket chassis coming out.that can have good steering and have your own speed controller.what's to complain about it

TheSteve
2015.01.07, 03:38 PM
I look forward to seeing this car run at our club.:D.even though I have A AMZ car.I still may get one of these XPower cars anyway for $250.00 and then put my own electronics in.Honestly this is supposed to be a fun hobby.If your going worry about how many millimeters is this you should STOP.not complaining about the f1 Mini Z.but isn't that a little bit longer also.we never complain of what we run 98mm,96mmor 94mm.This is always going to be a fun hobby and you're always going to put money into it.there's always going to be new technology come in.

stop discriminating on a car that you're not giving it a chance just because the millimeters ...

now that there's a nice aftermarket chassis coming out.that can have good steering and have your own speed controller.what's to complain about it

But the size does matter and is a very significant part of the car. We use Mini96 at our local track, generally 3 tiles wide but the layout usually has some two tile wide sections - that is tight enough with the size of a normal MiniZ. The problem would be even worse with a larger car. So while I think the car is great I don't see it working everywhere. Based on your comments we should just fold up the club and STOP because we have to be concerned about the size of the car.

cowboysir
2015.01.07, 03:45 PM
I think everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Just because it's not for me my choice not to get one isn't going to stop others from taking the plunge.

Add an aside, I hope Xpower plans on some scale wheels for this TC. With it being a bit bigger the scale look of 1/24 wheelset would tie chassis and Lexan body together nicely.

tommy_greeneyes
2015.01.07, 06:30 PM
But the size does matter and is a very significant part of the car. We use Mini96 at our local track, generally 3 tiles wide but the layout usually has some two tile wide sections - that is tight enough with the size of a normal MiniZ. The problem would be even worse with a larger car. So while I think the car is great I don't see it working everywhere. Based on your comments we should just fold up the club and STOP because we have to be concerned about the size of the car..

I totally understand what you're saying.maybe:D this car may not be for you.if your track is that small.but it's anybody's decision if they want the car or not.I had to look up the Kyosho f1 car.and I do notice the specs on that car say 130mm.and I know some tracks that have two tile tracks in a little three Tile mix in and they have fun race in f1.so to have this X-Power touring car what is the difference with 114mm.

we can always email the people from x power and give them feedback what we think of the car.and maybe they can make changes to make it betterI really don't know.but we never know what 6 months later this car will offer.I know is deathly competition with the atomic AMZ car.but I like that car as well

Slubben
2015.01.07, 08:28 PM
We don't have to compare the IDT to miniz or MRX because it's entirely different scale. The scale size alone should indicate that the car will be bigger then the 1/27 scale that we are used to racing. Most tracks that race 1/27 should be able to race 1/24. Miniz has lost a lot steam and I think it stems from not conforming or adapting to newer technologies. Lipo and brushless motors have been around for 10+ years and it feels like we just started adapting these technologies to this scale. I have been running MRX with lipo batteries and brushed motors because the lack of drag brakes on the board. IDT solves this isssue and gets us one step closer to technologies used in larger scales. Maybe in the future we will have options on different speedo, servo, radio, sensored motors, etc. (open electronics) :)

I have to completely agree with this post. Interest in Kyosho mini-z racing has flat lined over the last several years and it's no ones fault but kyoshos for not innovating. If anything Kyosho has decided to go backwards with the Sport version. Call it whatever you want but the X Power cars are a giant leap forward in micro racing. They fill a niche where someone has limited track space but still wants to enjoy and use modern technology

arch2b
2015.01.07, 09:47 PM
You wouldn't mix f1 with racers so just like f1 these are a new class based on size. Not a bad thing mind you but I don't see how you could mix these in with mini-z. Love them for what they are, a nice bit of 1/24 kit. :) not my cup of tea but I can appreciate a good thing when I see it. I'll repeat that I think the value is good for what your getting. The average HFAY or mod class car is close to the same cost. A fully loaded mrx is more.

I look forward to seeing a class for this at events. I won't be joining but I'll watch for sure :)

I certainly hope there will be better shells than the generic touring car body in the future. Perhaps a good chance to get squat to get their shells back in production if they are long enough. They had some interesting bodies. May be able to talk they shape ways guys into scaling some shells?

DMALMAD
2015.01.07, 10:10 PM
Fully loaded MRX is not more. Let me be clear that the cost for the IDT is exorbitant and wayyy to expensive. MRX price breakdown: 90 brushed board + 15 servo assembly + 180 for MRX chassis and Double swing arm and battery + 60 for remaining front end parts + 110 for complete rear end + 50 for body and spare tuning parts = 505. Money could be saved or more spent but thats a 75 dollar price difference and had the TC come in a t 500 rather than 580 it would be a lot more feasible. I mean look at the cost of their sport (440). How can they justify 180 dollars for a sensored motor and programer:eek: (not 140 because it is a 140 difference plus the cost of a sensorless motor).

That being said you do get more innovation with the IDT compared to the MRX but we still do not even know if it will be faster or not. I am still a supporter of their chassis but I mean I can't believe the price... but you gotta pay to play with this one I guess.

tommy_greeneyes
2015.01.07, 10:40 PM
You wouldn't mix f1 with racers so just like f1 these are a new class based on size. Not a bad thing mind you but I don't see how you could mix these in with mini-z. Love them for what they are, a nice bit of 1/24 kit. :) not my cup of tea but I can appreciate a good thing when I see it. I'll repeat that I think the value is good for what your getting. The average HFAY or mod class car is close to the same cost. A fully loaded mrx is more.

I look forward to seeing a class for this at events. I won't be joining but I'll watch for sure :)

I certainly hope there will be better shells than the generic touring car body in the future. Perhaps a good chance to get squat to get their shells back in production if they are long enough. They had some interesting bodies. May be able to talk they shape ways guys into scaling some shells?


I understand Curtis.I was just trying to make a point. say we run a 98 mm car and it's in modify class. And I want to change it to run a 90mm hatchback car.any race that I've ever been to they said either run any millimeter you want.as long as it has the handout motor..we always based off what motor goes in these cars.I really don't think it's that big of a difference.The shorter wheelbase car will still be advantage in the corners.but is also driver preference.


But I also have to agree on this post also.

We don't have to compare the IDT to miniz or MRX because it's entirely different scale. The scale size alone should indicate that the car will be bigger then the 1/27 scale that we are used to racing. Most tracks that race 1/27 should be able to race 1/24. Miniz has lost a lot steam and I think it stems from not conforming or adapting to newer technologies. Lipo and brushless motors have been around for 10+ years and it feels like we just started adapting these technologies to this scale. I have been running MRX with lipo batteries and brushed motors because the lack of drag brakes on the board. IDT solves this isssue and gets us one step closer to technologies used in larger scales. Maybe in the future we will have options on different speedo, servo, radio, sensored motors, etc. (open electronics) :)

Racer-HH
2015.01.08, 04:05 AM
I do not know, why others jump in the 114mm wheelbase, but for me this micro class is all about the beauty of the autoscale bodies, which will not fit anyhow on the IDT chassis.

Btw: State of the art technology is in my 10th scale racers. ;-)

tommy_greeneyes
2015.01.08, 05:39 AM
http://youtu.be/3laZ79sC4AI

I noticed this track has two tiles to three tiles.and its getting around pretty good.with a little bit better set up or a better driver behind the wheel. I really doesn't make a difference if the wheelbase is 114mm.:D .if this car was a 90mm car I bet people will still complain. We just have to learn to except the new technology coming in our micro mini scale racing. But again what are we doing as race groups to attract new comers and other people from bigger skills racing to come race mini z.

arch2b
2015.01.08, 06:28 AM
full option MRX (http://www.x-powerrc.com/product_detail.php?id=611) = $668.
IDT Ultra (http://www.x-powerrc.com/product_detail.php?id=619) = $578.

sure, you could build one up yourself cheaper but this is straight from the manufacturer site... full option to full option from X-Power, MRX is more expensive so far. this will change as upgrades are release for the IDT.

Fully loaded MRX is not more...

DMALMAD
2015.01.08, 07:15 AM
That full option includes the FULL retail cost of a ve and using all xpower parts which some are unnesccary IMHO. My current setup after I switched back to brushed would come in at a little more because I use a double aarm but I also already had the complete rear end and front end.... btw the version that xpower sells themselves is not as good for racing and juiced to the moon when it comes to the price. When I refer to full option I am referring to it containing all the necessary parts to be a competitive car not the overpriced ve that they sell on their sites to newbs who don't know how to put a car together.

arch2b
2015.01.08, 07:52 AM
it's apples to apples retail cost comparison of full option kit. never said one couldn't build it better and for less ;)

machgo5go
2015.01.19, 08:16 PM
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First IDT in the world will be shipped out soon.

DMALMAD
2015.01.31, 06:49 PM
I just finished building my very own IDT that came in yesterday. I have to say the build was relatively painless. There was a detailed instruction manual and the manual even when into detail on the effect of the different esc setting. The motor is slightly larger than a standard mini-z motor but the sensored is super smooth and has sooooo much more natural drag break already in the motor when compared to other sensorless motors. The esc is also top notch, the sensor system is very smooth and easily programmed. The drag break actually works for once unlike the other sensorless options out there. While the parts are made from quality materials, there are a couple design flaws. The first one being the steering system. It is a straight drag link and binds a lot. However there are two unused holes on the chassis which means like atomic they will likely later release a bellcrank. This is quite disturbing though seeing as I already paid close to 600 dollars only to have to spend more to get smooth steering. Only upside is unlike the amz the drag links are fairly accurate just they create a lot of friction. Too much friction seems to be the trend for the front end as the plastic suspension balls cause too much friction. Another downside is that the front uses camber arms while the rear is adjustable and since the kit only included o degree camber arms there is no adjustability in the front end until they release yet another thing that I will have to buy:mad: Last gripe was the servo mount. Once again it is plastic and it flexes too much. They have released pictures with an aluminum and carbon fiber one so once more, another thing to buy. I really don't understand why they could not throw these things in with it when you buy the ultra version, I understand the sport model is economy but with that extra price tag they should have been included. I know there seems to be a lot of issues but really the car is great the way it comes, and only super particular people like me will need all the upgrades. I didn't get to drive it yet but another IDT owner drove his at the track yesterday and it seemed pretty good. The power was extremely smooth and it had tons of steering. As with all new chassis the setup and suspension settings still need to be adjusted to get the car dialed but it has a lot of potential. Overall I am pretty happy with the car and I can't wait to drive it. I will upload pics of it later as my phone is acting weird right now. Hopefully I will also get some running footage if I can manage to bring my camera to the track on friday.

machgo5go
2015.02.01, 02:49 AM
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Well Long awaited Ultra Kit came in. Good fitting Kit and MUCH Potential out of Box with Sensored Motor set up. You can see how dimension compared to AMZ. Today MHS Shop owner's IDT on track Minor Test & Tune out of box in Hot Lap of 6.9 (For our Hot Head MHS Club Member's references).
Much more handling & speed to come as we explode more to come!


More to come as you can see video below:
http://youtu.be/2e6a***XTqs

mleemor60
2015.02.01, 07:00 AM
Looks good! By itself. Can't wait to see three or four of them at a time in that space.

AFMiniz
2015.02.01, 07:28 AM
As promised, I am able to get my sport IDT delivered before end of Jan. A 'like' first.

I immediately assembled the electronics components into the semi-assembled kits, it took me around 1 hours. I then tested it in the RCP track with xpower's foam tire (VS rear and S front) which is same as my AWD VE tire setting.

First feeling, this car provides me much more steering than my AWD even it got longer wheel base (official says is 114mm vs my AWD's 98mm). I found that the reason is coming from a larger turning angle of its knuckles. With out of the box setting, I was able to trace those AWD VE with 2 cells lipo powered and 6000kv motor (which means same as my sport IDT) in the track. It came with 10T motor gear, I changed it to 11T in order to gain more top end. Apart from motor gear, I slightly increased the front spring stiffness so as to make its steering less sensitive for more easily handling.

Two things I would draw your attention. The receiver came together with it is not that stable. I thought it is gogolap. I changed its antenna to a longer wire, then everything became normal. Secondly, you may find that the motor is hot after around 10 minutes run time. Xpower should consider to launch a mini fan to cool it down. Be frank, my AWD VE got the same problem!

All in all, it is a value for money kit though I heard that it's price is a bit high. Anyway, I look forward to testing it further in coming weekend. Haha, as I am a weekend driver!

AFMiniz
2015.02.01, 07:52 AM
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Picture of my IDT

DMALMAD
2015.02.02, 05:59 PM
Still have not gotten to driven it but I have heard about the receiver problems from other racers. But instead of cutting the wire and extending it you just have to mount it on top of the servo. Oh well it is too late for me:rolleyes:

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AFMiniz
2015.03.01, 01:19 AM
DIY IDT Reventon

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AFMiniz
2015.03.01, 01:22 AM
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One more

AFMiniz
2015.03.01, 01:25 AM
One more

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arch2b
2015.03.01, 09:24 AM
details? looks fantastic.