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Blf
2016.05.03, 03:58 PM
Hey guys ----- new to F1 and have been playing around with the tires on the RCP and finding even with Med KS fronts and extra soft rear, after a dozen or so laps, I start to frequently cut corners, losing rear traction as it will hit the limit and just snap around all the sudden.

Letting off throttle prior to corner entry seem to give me more control but if I'm on power too early I spin.

I have the FRP side plates, pn motor mount, Kyosho top shock, front springs hard (yellow)

Maybe this is just a characteristic of the chassis but wanted to ask the experts --- it's amazingly fun either way!

Although........ the front IC tag compatible bumper will occasionally grab under one of the RCP rails quite annoyingly. I'm trying to figure out a way to carefully peel one of the ic tag stickers off and somehow affix to the Shapeways front lips I have ------- any thoughts there? I asked a contact at Kyosho if I could buy a few of JUST the stickers but they only sell as is with the plastic "holder plate"

Thanks again guys

Blf
2016.05.03, 04:06 PM
Just heard from Kyosho contact that it's pretty much impossible to peel one without ruining it. Someone there tried with a Dnano to no avail

I guess I can either try to fuse the front of the Shapeways with the IC Tag portion of the Kyosho OR get a different transponder system for the F1 only (which would be a PITA/absurd)

Any ideas would be great

briankstan
2016.05.04, 11:23 AM
what timing systerm are you using?

know you can initialize the generic tags to be used with the Kyosho timer and software using the initializer the was make. then you can use the generic tags however you need on whatever front end you are running.

Flipside Racing Page (http://www.flipsideracing.org/projects/fslapcounter/)

Mike Keely
2016.05.04, 05:55 PM
We used the generic tags years ago and they were much cheaper and much smaller then the old Core tags. I am not sure what transponder tags you are using.

Mike Keely
2016.05.04, 06:05 PM
Not sure if you can find some softer side plates or not. Another thing that will help is to round the outside edge of the rear tires. No need to do the inside edge of the rear tires. What our group uses is a drywall sanding block. You pull the throttle and take the sanding block to the outside edge. You will notice a big difference. If those two don't do it I have one more thing you can try.

lfisminiz
2016.05.04, 07:08 PM
Touch the rear tires on your truer.....just enough to scuff them.

Blf
2016.05.04, 07:21 PM
Thanks for all the input ...... I'll try that on the tires guys and I do have PN soft side plates... should I try them? I had the rear springs out and now in --- should I get them out again like Cowboy recommended?

As far as the timing system, we are using Flipside with the Kyosho laptimer strip under the track. We are using the OEM IC Tags now (and our dnanos have them already obviously)

PLEASE direct me to some compatible transponders that will work with the IC Lapt Timer/Flipside that we can fit inside the F1 shells........ thanks again for the input

briankstan
2016.05.05, 08:23 AM
I actually use the larger transponder and tape it to the bottom. I cut a hole in the transponder so I can access the power switch. you just need to be a little careful when you change batteries to keep it all together.

I'll try and get you a pic tonight.

Blf
2016.05.06, 07:13 PM
whats a good generic tag I could buy to tape/glue on the bottom of the car or the shapeways bumper that will work with the Kyosho IC Lap Counter and Flipside ?

briankstan
2016.05.10, 08:32 AM
whats a good generic tag I could buy to tape/glue on the bottom of the car or the shapeways bumper that will work with the Kyosho IC Lap Counter and Flipside ?

I have the part numbers for you but I'm looking at all my sources and it looks like they are all labeled as out of stock with a note that says "End of Life" :eek: We might need to find some alternate trasnsponders that will work with the system.

here are the part numbers of tags that are known to work

RI-I02-114B-01
RI-I11-114B-01

what they are is a Texas Instruments 13.56MHz 256bit RDID transponders.

neoneo1neo
2016.05.10, 03:05 PM
what's the best F1 suspension set up currently? has anyone tried the ATM self centering system (SCS) yet?

from what i've heard is below combination, any inputs?

PN motor mount
3 racing roll damper system (DDS)
no side springs
PN side plate (hard)
kyosho top shock

neoneo1neo
2016.05.10, 03:07 PM
btw, i've hard that the kyosho fiction damper does not really work well. however i've read some post from 2010 that few people actually liked how they perform, does anyone has any commend on that?

briankstan
2016.05.11, 08:37 AM
I've been running the kyosho friction Shock set. (MFW16) I haven't had any issues with it, I did change the setup a little and I'm using a PN damper post and PN damper springs with it.

My F1 handles very well. :)

neoneo1neo
2016.05.11, 01:20 PM
I've been running the kyosho friction Shock set. (MFW16) I haven't had any issues with it, I did change the setup a little and I'm using a PN damper post and PN damper springs with it.

My F1 handles very well. :)

do u use side springs by any chance? any oil on the disc? btw what color PN springs are you using on them?

briankstan
2016.05.11, 03:28 PM
do u use side springs by any chance? any oil on the disc? btw what color PN springs are you using on them?

I"m am running side springs (Red), soft plates, and no oil on the plates.

Blf
2016.05.13, 06:33 AM
I have the part numbers for you but I'm looking at all my sources and it looks like they are all labeled as out of stock with a note that says "End of Life" :eek: We might need to find some alternate trasnsponders that will work with the system.

here are the part numbers of tags that are known to work

RI-I02-114B-01
RI-I11-114B-01

what they are is a Texas Instruments 13.56MHz 256bit RDID transponders.

Thanks Brian --- I just found second part # here and ordering:

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/RI-I11-114B-01/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujsxF%252bwc91yAkLnb4%2fg1Zrnx4HkGU Ziz3XpLNpyzpGKQQ%3d%3d

So these are just a sticker? how thin? and I guess the Kyosho IC tag strip will just read it like any other MZW113 OEM IC tag from Kyosho ?

briankstan
2016.05.25, 08:40 AM
here are the pictures of how I have the transponder mounted to the bottom of my F1. Hope this clears it up for you.

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34895&stc=1&d=1464179750

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34897&stc=1&d=1464179887

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34898&stc=1&d=1464179887

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34899&stc=1&d=1464179887

http://mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34898&stc=1&d=1464179750