Porsche SUV

[Free_Style]

I want the new Porsche SUV body or GMC Denali body with chrome rims. Does anyone agree?

[Overlander]

Yes.
Two good choices.

[Mystacool]

Porsche SUV... is that the Cayenne?

[Mystacool]

For those who don't know, here's a happy snap of the Cayenne...

[REBEL RACING]

Or a real SUV such as a Blazer, Trail Blazer, Excursion, or Exspedition something that actually looks like a SUV

[Free_Style]

The Hummer H2, That is my vote.

[REBEL RACING]

Nah that thing is so ugly, maybe the older hummers.

[Free_Style]

I have grown to like it. When I drove it I creamed my pants. Only in black. Old Hummer You would have to double the chassis L*W.:)

[REBEL RACING]

Maybe they are comfprtable but the look like $*** and they have no off-road capability. There useless.

[Free_Style]

No offroad. WOW I thought they were the same platform as the tahoe.

[OKANG]

Originally posted by REBEL RACING
Maybe they are comfprtable but the look like $*** and they have no off-road capability. There useless.
It may not take the H1's position as leading off-road vehicle, but I certainly wouldn't say that the H2 has "no off-road capability". Where do you get this information?

Specs:
The H2
http://www.off-road.com/hummer/models/2003/h2/specs/
http://www.off-road.com/hummer/models/2003/h2/new/

The H1
http://www.off-road.com/hummer/models/2003/h1/specs.html

Comparing the H1 and H2:
http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/h2/compare/index.jsp

Notice that the specs aren't THAT different. The biggest difference? The price....the H2 is a steal, IMO, @ $50,000 vs. the H1 @ $100,000.

[REBEL RACING]

I didn't mean absolutely none but barely any. What is the main purpose of the Hummer? I'd say military and off-road. I personally believe the H2 is a mochary of Hummers and they should be ashamed but believe what you want. Who am I to judge them anyways.

[Free_Style]

Who takes there $50,000 truck off-road anyways. Badlands, IN is where you really can judge a truck. Thats were I found out my truck could hit a 4ft cement wall sidways, at 30 mph and still be able to drive home:D

[REBEL RACING]

Heck if I had the money to buy the thing pretty sure I'd have the money to repair it once I broke it;) hopefully. I believe Silver Lake, Allegan woods, and Bear swamp are the best places to test a truck around here.

[Free_Style]

Silver lake is awsome. I took my truck there all the time. I use to live in Grand Haven.

[REBEL RACING]

O yeah it is. However the residents around there complained about the noise so they have a sound limit of 90 decibles now:mad: I live in the little town of Zeeland. Ever been to the Allegan woods or Bear swamp those are kick butt places to.

[Free_Style]

I think I was in the town of Allegan. Is it beyong Holland. I mostly went off road by the blueberry farms. They had some bad mudin and hills.

[REBEL RACING]

O yes, I hunt right past those blueberry fields. all swamp and hills. Our land backs up to the Consumers powerplant there. So what got you to move to Indiania?

[Free_Style]

Yes the powerplant get this, my friend and I used to sneak into the powerplant with a home made truck and drive around all night runings over trees. The power plant had a bubbler in lake Michigan were I used to catch perch by the hundreds. Do you know were that peir was? we now live in IL not IN and sold the place in grand haven a few years back:( . I go to IN for the badlands only.

[REBEL RACING]

Yeah I know where that hot spot was. Say you didn't happen to go drive back where they logged the woods years and years ago did you? cause thats the land we own, tons and tons of ruts and stuff back there, we sneak through the powerplant into our land to get our deer.

[REBEL RACING]

Its right off Peirce off of Filmore there. I get quite a kick out of this, somebody from a forum that lives in IL used to go off-roading within 5 miles of the land we own now. What a small world hey. What was this homemade truck like?

[REBEL RACING]

Its right off Peirce off of Filmore there. The land was owned my a old man named Mezney and we bought land across the street from a guy named Fight (last names of course I don't remember there first names) I get quite a kick out of this, somebody from a forum that lives in IL used to go off-roading within 5 miles of the land we own now. What a small world hey. What was this homemade truck like?

[Free_Style]

No this was about 5 years back. That company had more property than we could belive we mapped out what we could in about 3 weeks until they put pilons were our path was. We would see deer all the time. Those were the days.:cool:

[REBEL RACING]

They logged our property way before that even. There is a old wishing well on our property to. Awell won't be able to pin point it down then but its funny that still that close.

[Overlander]

I take my jeep and my samurai through the Rubicon Trail just west of Lake Tahoe.

Iv'e seen real Humvees get stuck where my samurai goes right through. Humvees are probably the most capable all-round offroad passenger vehicals, but I my trucks are built for serious rock crawling.

it depends on what kind of terrain you want to wheel on. There are obviously big differences between swamps and granite. Whith a couple of relatively cheap mods, an H2 can go anywhere.

-Todd

[desertkid]

H2 = Watered down H1

H2 = Made to attract non-off roading customers

H2 = Needs a Diesel powerplant(6.6lt Duramax perhaps)

H1, Has proven itself off-road worthy. Time will tell if the H2 can hold up just as well as the H1. But I say that the H2 will NEVER replace the H1!!!

[REBEL RACING]

I think that your right on the money desertkid.

[Overlander]

Well I guess mud boggs is what your all about desertboy.

The fact is that the coil spring suspension and a locking diff (or two) will allow ANY vehicle, including the H2, to go over any obstacle in it's path. It also takes a driver that has more than half a brain. An experienced offroad driver, like one trained by the military, would drive around a mud bogg if he could.

The fact that the H2 has suspension parts that are easy to mod and replace if broken, also makes it very desirable to a true offroad enthusiast.

A deisel is noisy and smelly and only necessary for pulling heavy loads and paddeling big-ass bogger tires through some mud puddle. Thats cool if thats what your into, but IMO, off road adventures actually take you somewhere beyond the other side of a mud puddle. An H2 should be able to do that.

-Todd

[Free_Style]

What I would rather have than any hummer or jeep is a 95 Z71 Teal ex cab. I beat that thing all day and night for 180thou. traded it in and now can't find anther one:(

[Overlander]

that H2 has the same axles your Z71 had.

[overlanman6]

Originally posted by REBEL RACING
Maybe they are comfprtable but the look like $*** and they have no off-road capability. There useless.
OH, really? the only other SUV on the market today that has better offroad capabilities than the H2 is the H1! its a fact.

[vispucee]

the h1 and h2 are great but nothing beats these:
http://www.pinzgauer.com/images/treffen07.jpg.htm
http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/images/G01.jpg
My dad and i takes ours up in the mountains here in CO all the time. Nothing else can follow us.

[Overlander]

Well if your going to start throwing European trucks in there, the Mercedes UNIMOG beats everything.

[vispucee]

I think the pinz and mog are evenly matched. The pinz has a smaller more agile design while the mog has a powerful design, but on the trail its a tie. Maybe they should make these bodies for the ol (hint)

[Overlander]

I would have to disagree about the 'Mog and Pinz being a tie. The Pinz has independant suspension and very little wheel travel. It also has surprisingly little ground clearence. Don't get me wrong, I like Pinzgaurs too, but they can not compare to the UNIMOG portal axles for groung clearance and coil springs for massive articulation.

Try this with a Pinz:p

[vispucee]

the pinz does lack the portal axes but it has a lot of cleareance and coil springs. On ours i can almost sit completely upright when i work underneath it and im 6'1". I just based what i said from what i have seen on the trails.

[acastell]

But....as I am reading through the past Overland posts, I came across this discussion about the offroad prowess of the H2 vs all others. I know that most of us appreciate the abilites of our 1:1 scale brethren This vedeo is priceless...I apologize if this has been posted on this site, it is impossible to seach all of the achives in such detail.

Anyway, hope you like this...painful!


http://www.molshome.nl/~mol/forums/KilledIT.wmv

The owner of this link writes: I will have to remove that after some time not to exceed traffic limits. Right click on the link above and select 'Save target as...' Not to mention, the viewing is MUCH faster!




AC

[<<DirtHawg>>]

Is this a Mini-Z or a real car?? (http://www.mini-zracer.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=51123)

[arch2b]

that's the real deal! 450hp under the hood:D

[Overlander]

Hey acastell,

It's a Chevy. What do you expect.

That thing looked pretty stock. Like I said, a passenger vehical.

[Zillon]

Anybody ever heard of a Jeep? You know... the real 4x4's.

How about we compare the off-road capability of the H2 to the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. The Rubicon is definitely the steal here, at a little over 24 grand base, and the H2 cannot do half the stuff the Rubicon can do as well or better.

I personally would like to see a Jeep Grand Cherokee or Wrangler TJ. Something that looks right at home on the trail. Not a giant hunk of metal called a H2 that looks like it was stuffed into a car compactor and someone made an attempt to pull it back out again.

[Overlander]

Did someone say Jeep??

Here is my XJ on the Rubicon Trail, CA.

You are right, the new Rubicon TJs are the best thing you can buy off the shelf.

[LoneRanger]

I have to agree with you as much as I hate to! Heaps offer a good bang for the buck.

the hummer H2 is a giant pice of JUNK. who in thier right mind is gonna take that thing offroad? #1 they wont fit on most offroad trails.
I have driven the original Hummer during my years in the Army and can say they go a lot of places- but I know my trail truck would out wheel one pretty easy.

the guys that are talking about how "great and awesome" the H2 is are realy delusional and probably dont 4 wheel, or even own a real dedicated 4x4.


my 2 cents.

L.R.

[SupaFreak]

I'm actually considering selling my '89 Mustang drag car, and using some of the money to purchase a UNIMOG. I think that they are pretty trick.

Eric

[acastell]

This October, I took my 2002 G500 on the Rubicon trail. I grouped with a few guys in very modified CJs, old style LCs etc...they were in awe first off that I would take my car on the trail and secondly of G's capabilities. I will flat out admit that I would have rather been in a Jeep Rubicon, a tremendous maching for 25K. However, the ability to lock all three diffs on the G sure save my hide in a few places.

Agreed, the H2 is all show, no go! The H1 however is quite a machine...

I cannot wait for the G500 Overland to come out...

AC