Monster Overland!

[GiantScale]

Lets post some pics of mod. overlands & how we built them here.

I finally found some wheels that easily modify to fit the overland from a tyco kit. The wheels are 1.7" dia. & 1.1 wide. Have monster tread & chrome rims. It looks sweet, and drives even better. No roll overs & higher speeds. I need to install the smallest pinion though. Take offs are slower than stock.

Now I need a body. Maybe my sons revell killer bee kit.? I could fit the toyota, but would have to dremel the wells out big time. How to mount a model body will be tricky as well.

Pics soon to come!

Mike

[MATT TINDELL]

Sounds neat, can't wait for some pics.

[Mondo]

Originally posted by GiantScale
I finally found some wheels that easily modify to fit the overland from a tyco kit. The wheels are 1.7" dia. & 1.1 wide. Have monster tread & chrome rims

Confess! Where did you get them?
Ve haff vayz unt meanz of making you talk ja!

[GiantScale]

I got them at hobby lobby. Not the rc store, but the local crafts store.

Its a testors "monster trucks" kit model # 302


The nice thing about the wheels is that they slip right over the stock wheels & tires TIGHT , after a bit of dremaling the webing & hub away.. A hole must also be drilled from the outside to allow the 2 mm socket in to mount the wheels.

Pics to come..

Mike

[Buzzer]

none of them work.....
too bad i was looking forward to seeing that

[arch2b]

i am posting these pictures for giantscale.

very nice by the way:D

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[arch2b]

i am posting these pictures for giantscale.

very nice by the way:D

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[GiantScale]

Thanks Arch2b!

Those pics are with the body just sitting on top.

Im in the prosses of building some mounts which work like the stock mounts but higher. These mounts will also reinforce the shock towers by conecting front to rear towers together & to the chassis.

The small pinion was the ticket and works great with the altered gear ratio.

More pics to be hosted by others..lolol ..damn pc..

Mike

[arch2b]

not a problem, glad i could help.

off topic-
i'll be posting a few new pictures of my new toyota while romping around my back yard today in my album today. man that was a lot of fun.

[Ken Mifune]

nice wheels, but they're on backwards.

[GiantScale]

Iv got the body mount done & will post pics of that soon.

Its very stable with the wider stance, and almost as quick off the line.

Mike

[Buzzer]

I think it looks sweeeet! The treads are backward though.
I think you should work on something to hide the batteries too.

Otherwise, good foresight on the tires...definetly a one-of

[arch2b]

the picture doesn't appear to finish downloading. i get only a sliver of the rear shock mount connection, unless this is what you intended to post.

[GiantScale]

try again

[GiantScale]

body mount

[arch2b]

very nice:D
i particularly like how you bridged the two shock mounts together. after reading about you crash and thoughts about it, it makes sense to have them reinforced to better distribute the impact loads between the both of them. of course this applies to those who do serious off roading or track jumps and stuff. i just run over toys and occasionally parts of the dog and cats:D

[GiantScale]

another

[GiantScale]

Body on

[GiantScale]

another body

[GiantScale]

Now the red body also fits and removes just like stock

[GiantScale]

and the best for last

[Overlander]

Hey Giant!

That body mount system looks pretty sweet! The fact that you can mount the stock body to it is neat.

That's a good example of some down to earth model engineering.

Now help me come up with a system that modifies this body to fit on the stock chassis mounts (see pic).

I have a few ideas of my own, but I'm busy with my 1/87 scale truck right now.

-Todd

[GiantScale]

Thanks overlander! It took hours to make those, but they fit perfect. Almost to tight! I will enlarge the holes & slots a bit more. The truck actually handles better than stock with the wider stance.

You need to fabricate the white clips used on the stock bodys which looks harder than the clips I made. To bad they dont sell those seperately:rolleyes:

Mike

[Ang]

GiantScale, Nice Wheels !

Please post more pix from different angles if you can. Just curious how those big wheels fit into the hub.

Thanks.

[Ken Mifune]

Nice mounting.
Making the side clips isn't that hard, it just takes time.
I've made them for Racers. Although the clips for the Overland would need to be double sided, the concept is the same. Check out my album.

[GiantScale]

OK guys..

Check these action jump shots out!!

Everyone of them was landed safely.

enjoy

[GiantScale]

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[GiantScale]

I just wanted to show that not only does my overland look tough,, it runs that way also. In fact I smoked my boy so bad with his stock OL he wouldnt talk to me for a bit.:p he kept tipping trying to follow me through the corners.

The tendency to roll has been cut in 1/2.

Mike

[arch2b]

looks like fun:D nice pictures.

[Overlander]

Great pictures!!

What kind of camera are you using?

-Todd

[dohc]

nice! imma slam my overland all the way to the ground and add a mini system to it.

[Buzzer]

Great pics ! Thats a killer looking jump.

[OKANG]

I just picked up the Testors #302 kit to try this conversion. There is no way the wheels/tires from that kit "just slip over" the stock ones. There is a lot of plastic in the way. You dremeled that out or something?

[GiantScale]

Yes OKANG,, the inside diameter of the testors kit rims is a perfect fit for the overland stock wheel, but you do need to remove the webing (to the lip where the inside diameter of the testors rim reduces) & axle hole with a dremal. You also need to drill a hole through from the outside big enough for your 2 mm socket to mount the wheels.

This is quite a bit of material ,and takes about 5 min per wheel but is worth it!

When I first took on this project I thought I would have to make rims from SCRATCH replicating the kyosho axle mounting hole, but increasing the outside diameter to fit monster tires. Lots of time!

This method is very simple,, & effective. Just slowly whitle away at the testors rims until they fit. You might need to wet the kyosho tire for it to slide down to the lip of the testors rim. Do this on a table without the wheel on the car.. Then install.

enjoy!

Mike

[arch2b]

your work looks good. i can see from the pictures you are enjoying it as well!

i've done some custom stuff for my overland as well. i would appreciate any ideas on how to make them better.
my custom work (http://mini-zracer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6280)

[GiantScale]

Thanks arch!

Heres a pic of the testors kit.

[GiantScale]

Wheels

[GiantScale]

wheel

[Buzzer]

Are those tires rubber or hard plastic? I can tell from the pics.. they kinda look like hard plastic from the pictures

[GiantScale]

They are mid-way between soft plastic & soft rubber. ..Plenty of traction for the hardwood floor, but will still do donuts. It never spins out on carpet , and wont roll with full speed turns. Well worth the $9.00 for the kit!

Not sure how the wheels will handle the a-bb motor though.

Mike

[Overlander]

Excellent customization!

What kind of camera are you using to take those killer action shots?!

-Todd

[killer]

Originally posted by Overlander
I have a few ideas of my own, but I'm busy with my 1/87 scale truck right now.

-Todd

:ö: hehehe got bitten by the Micro Truck Bug too eh?! :D, ... i was almost finished with my 1/32 scale 4WD Monster Truck with a TXT-1 like suspension, i've already finished all the universals needed, and i've already finished the telescoping shaft needed for the suspension and the gear train to work properly, and with one visit on a Local Toys Shop turned my world around!... i saw this 1/87 scale plastic military truck (i think it was made a company named "ROCO" whom they [micmo.de guys] used as a base chassis on their 1/87 rc truck) my first 1/87 truck, was a bit heavy because of the die cast metal parts from MatchBox and with a home-made tires it looks rugged too!, but now, ROCO trucks really made a big difference, on the looks that is!, right now, i'm finishing two 1/87 scale rc truck, one with styrene chassis (for my son) and the other with brass chassis (for me! :D).. this little trucks are amazing!!!.. and now, i'm hooked with this things!!!-æ

[Overlander]

Killer,

Check my gallery for pics of the 1/87 Unimog. Yes the body is Roco.

I also have the front axle for a 1/32 scale 4x4 and a 1/24 scale 4x4.

I only do 4x4 although the little Roco truck is, like the Overland, only 2wd. Soon I am going to make a 4x4 1/87.

-Todd

[GiantScale]

That sounds killer,, killer.. Lets see some pics!

Overlander: the camara I use is a olympus C-2020Z 2.1 megapixel

Mike

[arch2b]

overlander/todd
that is an incredible little unimog you have there!:D
can you get more close up pictures to see more of it's construction and detail? what electronics/controller did you use?

[Overlander]

Arch,
I would love to take some close ups, but my camera is old. I think its a 1 pixel.

Not mega-pixel, just 1 stinkin' pixel :rolleyes:

Anyway, thats why I asked Giantscale what camera he is using to take such awseome pics. I need to upgrade my camera.

The details of the little unimogs construction are being posted here:

http://tinyrc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6831

There is not much in the way of construction details yet but I will be posting a comprehensive "How-I- Did-It" thype thread later tonite. You guys know I love to hear myself talk....:p

-Todd

[ultrawide]

Originally posted by Overlander
Killer,

Check my gallery for pics of the 1/87 Unimog. Yes the body is Roco.

I also have the front axle for a 1/32 scale 4x4 and a 1/24 scale 4x4.

I only do 4x4 although the little Roco truck is, like the Overland, only 2wd. Soon I am going to make a 4x4 1/87.

-Todd

Whats the scale on your orange big Unimog and what brand is that?

//uw

[Overlander]

Ultrawide,

That is a huge:) 1/12scale. I built it custom from several differnt manufactures parts:

Body - Hafner, Germany

3 Speed 4x4 Transmission - Wedico, Germany

Axles Rear Locked, Front Open - Robbe, Germany

Tires and Rims - Farm Toy Parts, U.S.A.

Frame and Misc. - Custom built by myself.


-Todd

[killer]

Originally posted by GiantScale
That sounds killer,, killer.. Lets see some pics!
Mike

:ö: soon Mike!, i'll finish my 1/87 truck first, then i'll start working on my 1/32 4WD TXT-1 like Mini-Monster Truck!..

Overlander!,.. great work man!.

-æ

[Overlander]

Thanks Killer! Your stuff looks pretty cool too!

I cant wait to see your 1/32 truck.

-Todd

[GiantScale]

Do any of you guys know or can check if the regular mini-z bodies mount the same as the overlanders? The reason I ask is cuz with my "lift" body mounts, any body should clear the wheels "if" they mount like the overlands with the same clips..

Wonder how a sports car body would look on top of monster wheels? lol

Thanks

[arch2b]

absolutely marvelous job:D look forward to reading you 'how to'

[Overlander]

To whom it may concern.....

the "how to" article is now available at:
http://tinyrc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7157


I cant get any smaller.........

[ultrawide]

He he, I did found a broken toy car in my sons room.
It's a Ford F-150 monster truck, and it's about 1/30 scale!
He (4½ years old) tells me;
-It's ok, take it! But I want to drive when you dont...
So let's see what I could do with that diecast =)

//uw

[arch2b]

your skills are unmatched!
i believe you've inspired me to give it a try. i found a truck that i think will offer enough room. i'll attach the picture. thanks for the detailed "how to".

again, great job

sorry for double posting, i didn't knowif you went to tiny regularly. i end up spending more time here.

[killer]

:ö: moderators, i'm not sure if i'll post it here or on the "new products thread".. but this is for those who are interested on having a 1/87 scale rc truck but don't have the right tools.. or the time to build one.. i found a link where they sell parts for the 1/87 scale and they sell the front axle to make "all wheel drive" possible! check this site: http://www.stoehrnet.de ;) if that site doesn't work try this site.. http://216.239.35.120/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.stoehrnet.de/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmikromodell%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3D UTF-8%26sa%3DG ;) have fun! -æ

[Overlander]

Thanks Killer,
Yes I have seen that and I asked my German asscociate who runs a TTTT club in Germany what he thought of those parts from the website you list. I will not give his identity until I ask his permission.

Here is his email reply:

Hi Todd,
I am still testing the parts of this guy. The parts are nice, but they
dont working very long.
My first front axle was working for 4 hours before they broken. The
second one (with springs) works for 4 Minutens!!!!
The rear axle I must modified some times. Now the rear axle is working
well. But it has been esear to build an axle of my own instead of buy
this one.

So the part are not very usefull. Maybe in a few month, the guy will
have longer working parts.

best regards

I am anxious to get one of his front axles for myself, but I think I will wait a while.

Hopefully someone will see your post and buy something from him, then report back to us!

-Todd

[killer]

Originally posted by Overlander
Thanks Killer,
Yes I have seen that and I asked my German asscociate who runs a TTTT club in Germany what he thought of those parts from the website you list. I will not give his identity until I ask his permission.

Here is his email reply:

Hi Todd,
I am still testing the parts of this guy. The parts are nice, but they
dont working very long.
My first front axle was working for 4 hours before they broken. The
second one (with springs) works for 4 Minutens!!!!
The rear axle I must modified some times. Now the rear axle is working
well. But it has been esear to build an axle of my own instead of buy
this one.

So the part are not very usefull. Maybe in a few month, the guy will
have longer working parts.

best regards

I am anxious to get one of his front axles for myself, but I think I will wait a while.

Hopefully someone will see your post and buy something from him, then report back to us!

-Todd

:ö: am sorry to hear that Overlander! :(, and hopefully when somebody sees my post and bought something from that guy, hopefully he recieved the improved products.. then report it back to us! :) yeah, i want those front axles too! coz small size brass tubes here in the Philippines (well on my place only.. i guess) is very rare and i have to buy in big bulks to avail some, so i can use it to make parts for a very small truck! :(, but for those who really want to "build" a 1/87 truck, those German guys are very helpfull, their website like micmo.de & mikromodell, they have their e-mail add posted there, so you could ask questions, guidelines and they'll help and guide you ti'll your project truck is done!. i am close to finish my 1/87 truck (chassis and everything is in place), all i needed to add is a small RX, the only candidate i see and availble here, is a small GWS 40MHz 3channel RX for airplane, but i don't know yet if it is compatible with my 3PDF 40MHz 3channel gun type controller, or if the RX will work with the rx crystals used on my controller if i can make a way for the GWS rx to accept a bigger size crystal?, co'z i noticed that it uses a super small rx crystal!.

[Overlander]

If you have 40MHZ radios on the Islands, then you can use the same stuff the European guys are using for radios. In the U.S. we can only use 27MHZ, 72MHZ, and 75MHZ. I use an aircraft radio for my stuff. They dont make stuff for ground frequencies small enough, so I have to drive with sticks.

-Todd

[killer]

:ö: hey it works!, i was skeptic buying a Micro Rx (for airplane use) that i would use on my 1/87 thinking that it is not compatible with my FM gun type Tx (used for rc cars), yesterday i can't resist the urge of buying one, because it was the smallest FM Rx on display! it's a GWS R-4P 5.4grams, my next problem was my LHS don't have any rx crystals (small one) that match my Tx crystal (for rc car use), but i bought the rx anyway, co'z the guy at the shop said, if their stocks arrive, they'll give me a call. last night, i was test fitting all the electronics at the back of my 1/87 truck, the rx fits perfect! and still, plenty of room for the esc and 4 pcs. batteries (5.4grams servo already installed), then i can't resist the thought that i have the trucks electronics all hooked up and sits perfectly at the back of the truck and i'm just staring at it! :(, so, i picked-up one of my 1/10 rc car FM rx crystal, it was too big for the plane rx crystal slot, so i soldered wires on the crystal legs and solder the other end of the wires on the plane rx crystal slot!, and voila! it works!!!.. man i'm so happy! :D-æ

[Overlander]

Killer,
Wow!

What frequency is your 1/10 TX? 40MHZ? or 27/75MHZ?

I would try that with my unimog, but it is so crammed, it wont even fit a bigger crystal!

Which truck body are you building?

[arch2b]

killer- post pics.

from my post on tinyrc, so people her can see this as well.

for those of you, like myself, in awe of overlanders amazing little rc...
...and who would like to try your hand at it yourself, i have found a good place to get the roco minitanks. the online stores tend to have high sh charges so i looked further. i found a nice person on ebay who sells these little trucks;
48vw or Rudolf Zerr @ rzerr@dccnet.com
he has a large stock, much more reasonable sh charges and has promply replied to several emails. i will be getting two trucks very soon (one in case i really f things up on the first one) so i can try my hand at making one of these little wonders.

if you guys can, post detailed parts list as i will be attempting one of these myself.

[killer]

Originally posted by Overlander
Killer,
Wow!

What frequency is your 1/10 TX? 40MHZ? or 27/75MHZ?

I would try that with my unimog, but it is so crammed, it wont even fit a bigger crystal!

Which truck body are you building?

:ö:Overlander, it's a 40MHz Futaba 3PDF 3channel FM transmiter, i'm planning to use the 3rd channel to operate a winch or a horn maybe :D, there is also a 75MHz Rx the same size as the GWS airplane rx, if it is legal to use it on your country?, check this website for some small rx

http://www.gws.com.tw/english/product/reciever/reciever.htm

we're quite lucky here in the phillipines, co'z we can use all type of radio frequenzy available in the market without breaking any law! :cool:,

which body?.. i forgot the name, but it's a 2 1/2 ton, 10 wheeler Military cargo truck, but due to lack of gearbox availability (i'm dying to get one of those Lemo Solar gears) it's now officially 4x2 :p .

Arch2b: i'll post some pics soon, after i finished painting the last one, i made 2 actually, one for me and the other one (w/ Mini-Z electronics) for my 5year old son (he's an excellent rc driver ;) ), yes i'll be posting some pics on tinyrc too... thanks man ;) -æ

[killer]

:ö: oops link doesn't work?!.. try http://www . g w s . c o m and there's a button there that automatically translate every word in english!, man, i thought the RX was 3channels only, i only found out last night that it was 4! WoW!!!, now i'll have to find a way on how to add another channel on my TX.. :( -æ

[killer]

Originally posted by arch2b

if you guys can, post detailed parts list as i will be attempting one of these myself.

:ö: detailed parts list?.. hhmm? most of the parts concerning the 1/87 scale truck are hand made (except body), different models requires different set-up IMO, tools you need are mostly the ones you use for scale modelling, but a must have tools here, is a hand-held drill or a hobby drill w/ cutting disk, polishing/grinding tools, some drill bits of different sizes and soldering iron for electronic solderings and can be used to connect brass parts.

ei, once you have started your 1/87 project (go for it, this little trucks are soooo cool!!!) and you've encountered some problems just shoot some questions here and we'll be glad to help you ;), just returning the kindness those German guys gave to me! ;) -æ

[arch2b]

killer, overlander - you can count on hearing from me in feb. when i start my little (big) project!

thanks for offering the help.

[killer]

:ö: Overlander,
i've asked this question to Thorsten, but i would like to hear your comment too.. this is quite a long story but here goes;

i'am using a GWS micro RX rated 4-6 volts and a Pico standard 5.4grams servo rated 4-6volts, and my ESC or automatic speed controller is a modified Pico PC-9 servo electronic board rated at 4-6volts, early this morning i charge my 4pcs 50MaH battery, that should be 4.6 volts right?, then i plug it to my truck (which i've already done before, when i test all the electronics before installing it on the truck) to my surprise there's a smoke coming out of the servo!!! :eek:, i immediately remove d the battery and i thought it was a short circuit, so i open the servo to inspect for some loose wires, but there was none :confused:, the only burned thing was a tiny black chip near where the positive wire of the servo is soldered, i attached the battery, again, and this chip emits some smoke and almost turned red hot :eek:, have you encountered the same thing before?, what modification have you done on your servo to deal with this situation?. thanks man!

-æ

[Overlander]

Killer,
I saw your question on my other thread at tinyrc.com first.

I am not sure what your problem is, but I destroyed a receiver by connecting the + and - backwords when I was soldering the micro wires directly to the board. It smoked and got hot just like your servo. A simple mistake.

It is also possible that some of your solder has spread onto another part right next to your connection and caused a short.

My soldering iron is too big for this kind of work. Sometimes, when I solder on the small boards, I take a powerfull loupe (a magnifying glass that jewlers use) to look at the mess I just made on the small board. Sometimes I can see how the solder flowed onto the part next to it. I just take an xacto knife and scrape a little line between the components that are touched by the over flowed solder.

Also, little flakes of brass shavings or wire pieces that you generate as you are building your truck can "contaminate" the small circuit board. Make sure you inspect with a magnifying glass and blow the board off with electronics cleaner, or compressed air before you power it up.

-Todd

[killer]

:ö: thanks Todd,

Must be i reveresed the polarity when i plugged the batteries, hhhhmmm?, but i'm quite sure it's not a short circuit, from the looks of it, the only way for a dirt/ debris to enter the servo case is from the hole where wires come out, and i did not opened the servo case either.. i'm just wondering, co'z right now it's working, as if nothing happened?! :confused:, if that incident happened again, poof! goodbye $25.oo :(

:p -æ

[killer]

:ö: sorry for the poor resolution, it's an old camera :(..
this one with headlights on!

[killer]

:ö:

[ultrawide]

Like it, looks like a nice place to test drive your truck ;)

//uw

[GiantScale]

Looks good killer! Will it jump? lol..

Mike